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shortest breaks, the who's time option or time see we're going underground, exposing the truth, the so called mainstream media. don't want you to find out coming up in the show. after the alleged us back, who in bolivia and continued, you can us attempts to overthrow the government of venezuela, what is going on in cuba? and why is nature nation media promoting the children of those who abandoned fidel castro's revolution and arguably the best universal health care in the hemisphere? we speak to an advisor to the bolivian government. and as a un publish is a damning report into the state of global food insecurity. we asked the chief
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economists for the us food and agriculture organization, whether only revolution going to end world hunger to cove. it all the more coming over today's going underground director all of a stone told us last week, how predictable it is for us present to go on the recordings about forces trying to overthrow the cuban government. having to joe biden was the mayor of miami, who appeared to advocate us coalition air strikes against the island, famous for being the flash point that nearly led to the end of the world. someone who knows about nature nation interference in the so called backyard is professor diego on cano advisor to the incumbent, bolivian president luis house. he joins me from london. diego, thanks so much for coming on. your 1st the reaction to this, why you're in london, so you can see that coverage, some of it bizarrely from miami, present the children of, of those opposed to the cuban revolution. what was your reaction? it wasn't long ago, they were saying because during coal with the food security, those 5000 the doctors,
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cuba is sending to 40 countries and now suddenly cube has finished the revolutions over thank you for having me. first of all, yes, good to be here in london. where yes, i can see the coverage of international news has shifted. i think it's a bit different from what it was a few years ago. and i think sometimes there's not enough perspectives from the south, especially in america and in terms of cuba. so historic change that's happening. bolivia, brazil, chile, i have all looked up to cuba in many ways as a leader of the revolution and none of the events and phenomena, movements, and in america that are occurring now. what happened without the leadership of cuba historically? so we are very anxious to see what is going to happen in cuba. i think there's the bar was the major or the major reason for the crisis in cuba, historically in the last few decades. but i think we also have to admit that the
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human economic model has failed to a significant extent to for some people in inside cuba. and we have to be a little bit self critical as well. and maybe to see what other pathways are to get out of that more asked, in a sense, i think what's happening in south america on the last will be possible avenue for change and improvement in cuba as well. because of the economic transition towards, for example, green energy. there are, they're happening and chill a bolivia, argentina in terms of lithium, for example, when i actually don't get to lithium in a 2nd. but you mentioned those other countries. and of course, you're referring to to us in bolivia, maybe the return of lula in bolivia, in brazil, the latin american superpower in next year. you don't think washington is looking at that very closely. the fact that this so called return to the pink tide is going to help cuba let alone all those countries and washington has to exert something
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more muscular to use a terrible germ about lib liberal intervention. i mean, you, miami may are saying as strikes and needed like yugoslavia thought, inconceivable. i mean, we know that this has happened in many countries in venezuela recently. i think it's possible there might be more muscular intervention. there was also part of the case, so the mercenaries in haiti and recently and, and also in bolivia last year with some of that was covered just recently by the intercept. so as told and that's not impossible. and i think us is really making a mistake in still to get a hard line stance towards a lot of these progressive governments and america, by insisting on the language of discourse, human rights, et cetera, when in fact some of what's happening in the american hours is really not the violation of human rights, it's actually progressive movements and ideas that ought to be given the respect they deserve sovereign countries. so definitely the us taking no,
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of course the trumpet instruction was it was worse, but i think even with biting, we see again, it's going to moralizing view that in the end, hurts both sides most in america. and i think in the long and heard us american interests as well echoed in the so called mainstream media, or are they chastened by the fact they fail to overthrow the venezuelan government? i mean, one guy do is been to london in downing street with boris johnson bars. johnson is explicit that he wants the over the role of the current venezuela government. yes, and again, this is something that even in the u. s. i would say 1st of all of us tend to ignore look in america and, and that's some big mistake. obviously there's the immigration test will be the major reason why we talk about a lot in america in the u. s. and there's a lack of economic integration, cultural integration, the whole idea,
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the us is exceptional and different. i think that's, that's a major blog, the thinking of some understanding of americans when inside the u. s. has a lot of commonalities with lives in america, as opposed to society with racial divisions and diversity in the presidential system. so all these similarities ought to be emphasized as opposed to being minimized and. and so that does trace the risk. and this is reflected in foreign policy, i think the u. s. has to do much more self reflective perspective and to change its position, but definitely via sort of more muslims progression is always on the table when it comes to american foreign policy. so we have to be very aware of that. and i think the only way that i can stop is by pressuring from outside and from within. i think to people like bernie sanders and others who are more progressive might be able to persuade president body to take the road. but what i'm sure, you know, i'm not sure how often they they meet in spanish. i mean,
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you're an expert on lithium. what do you say to the bolivian president incumbent luis us about lithium? i mean, you heard a lot musk, a pioneer of electric cars powered on lithium. we all carry lithium in our mobile phones. it almost said we will, qu, whoever we won, no evidence that he was behind the jenny in the us bag. cool, but i mean, how, how do you advise louise us to run bolivia in the face of one of the richest people in a saying we can cool we want. so that was a very controversial estate, i think ultimately does mainly self promotion for only moscow. just to get and get into news, there's something provocative. there hasn't been anything directly involved in linking him to the cool. but this kind of off the cuff cowboys, kind of the statement i think is really dangerous because that is create a lot of animosity in bolivia towards the us and towards american companies. i
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think it's possible to repair that damage if you have an alternative kind of minerva into leadership within the us who are going to respect bolivia laws and the bullying people and come to work with bolivia as partners. and so one thing i advise the lease says that he should work with anybody. it could be china, russia, the u. k, the u. s. but they have to respect the laws and the people in bolivia that's, that's the 1st thing. and they have to have some idea of war, believe what's the history the, what's the move or the indigenous community? what are they were there like, you can just come in and take the lithium. so i think which is very much open to working with anybody as long as they respect the fact that it's a national natural resources it's, it's not going to be privatized. but companies can come in and work to help extract the lithium and commercialize it until it the best way that will help bolivia, minimize our team, but also improve its position geopolitically. and it's such
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a big resource delivery and resource and believe, you know, just so you need a beautiful lake and you know, which should be protected, of course, for environmental tourism reasons, but it's extremely large. and so it's kind of a win win situation for the world. you know, the whole world is shared to green energy, and bolivia is key that the crucial element in this transition. so it has to be done in a with respect to sovereignty of bolivia. and again, if i can, i'll be a private, past efforts, propositional gas and water in bolivia, which led to basically the rise of mono more or less american and oil. just have to learn from that and avoid stop going to be insisting on that. so i think it's possible to do that, i think with louis side is that we have a more pragmatic technocratic approach to politics over the left. and i think again, any negotiation with usually rings on alarm bells in latin america, we can see what happened to ecuador, but i mean, even in the past few days, nescafe is reportedly worried about your new state owned coffee initiatives. the
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europe in union did not back morale as is allegations that there will be in the u. s. back who and now it's condemning the detention of this alleged d. c. washington proxy jeanine on the as i mean i'm the catholic church as well. i think is condemning it. i mean, do you don't tell the president the no country with resources that internationally desired in the global south last long? well, i mean, we were hoping that that's not always going to be the case. so we can, we can be for the listing. i think we have to think that maybe this is the one time they're going to change history. of course, historically, right. this is happened all over the world from iran to cuba to julia sarah. but i think we're to be optimistic. i think we have to be talking craddick man, he started word doesn't meant privatization means more,
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more free markets. but the way that we started approaching it is, yes, we can be, have socialist countries, navigate in a world of capital markets to its own benefit. and perhaps from their most blogs in which countries can corporate and acquire more sovereignty and to be able to deal with major countries are much more equal playing field. how prepared is government for the onslaught of so called mainstream media nato nations attacks on maybe you personally met alone, the president, let alone the currency, let alone, perhaps us back to nature back terrorism, which we've seen in latin america over the decades. and this is especially worried about what happened last year with the mercenaries coming from the u. s. and that was stopped. i mean, this is something that came last year was recently reported by the interest on the
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guardian, etc. but this can happen at any moment. it's again, we need all allies within the us within america to help us communicate better. i think it's the risk that we have to take, but very rarely do we have such resources like lithium, for example, that can be transformative for, for bolivia. and it has to be managed in a way that will provide health and education for everybody should not be for a benefit for a particular regional bolivia has to be for everybody. so i think it's a difficult process or this whole task, but we have to be optimistic. there's another alternative. and i think again, finally have partners from anywhere in the world. but insisting that we have to be equal partners who cannot be simply giving away the resources and the media in the us basically, we were non existent in america space and nonexistent south america, especially especially mainstream media. so i doubt that's going to change. so it's really important to have alternative sources of information. and so that's
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something that we need to keep building. and to again explain what is the bully model. socialism is it's a different model from q bus different from, from the previous cases, from it as well. it's re acknowledged a successful model during the period growth, so at least 5 percent every year. it's reduction of poverty by more than 30 percent . so it's not the kind of popular socialism that we've seen before and many other countries. and i think it can be a sorry, prestone for the rest of the less when movements in america that we are seeing now the result of the constituents, the nuclear station in for chile, the protests in columbia, i think they are taking a cue from bolivia. they're learning from the national model, bolivia, it's a new model that people should know about. and it's something that can benefit again, many, many sectors of society and it's not just for one, industry, etc. so i think we have to do a good job in transitioning from gas to deliver him. so that's a general try to i'm seeking to advise president are so gone visit ga ga. kind of
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thank you. thank you very much player. after the break from sanctions to was to climate change, we ask the chief economists of the us food and agriculture organization. if the goal of ending world hunger by 2013 as possible at all in the face of us had germany awesome all coming up and bought 2 of going undergrad. ah ah, that guys are financial survival guide. liquid assets are those that you can convert into cash quite easily. but keep in mind, no out the to mean to inflation. watch guys reported
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me welcome back. in part one, we looked at the effect of us sanctions joint global pandemic on cuba and latin america. well, today a report is published by the un on the stage of food security in nutrition in the world. but is there any chance of achieving the goal of eliminating world hunger by 2030 in the face of us sanctions and was in the extractive nature of global capital . joining me from room is the chief economist of you and food and agriculture organisation maximo, to rarer who co authored the report. thank you so much. maxima for coming on here in london were treated to pictures one so called mainstream media. richard branson, billionaires going to space? the u. s. fed says the american households at 13 trillion to their savings, the u. k. resolution foundation. say 7800 pounds richer. the house owners go here in london, your report. 800000000 not being able to feed themselves is
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161000000 people more than in 2019 are growing and the nurse so iteration is hugely challenging. but that does not mean that we don't have a beginning. and that's what we try to re can get reports. so everybody's trying to bring up the numbers and especially on trying to show. busy the big estimation of the drivers which are normally climate conflict as low downs and downturns, of course 19. how that's what the situation in one of the highest spike in the last 2 decades of, of increase of chronic under nourishment in the world. exactly. there are recommendations, it's not just oh, they're all these people that would be more impoverished by corona virus. would you say that loans paid to the debt pre payments to the m f and so on have contributed as well? no, no i think what, what we are facing a and the ration because because of my team it's basically because of the log down
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. it's not so long time period has been extended for a new computer. and that has that correlate on, on the, on the creek and the beatles. and therefore on recession economy position. so that economy has created up, roll him off at the foot. people don't having enough income to be able to access the book. so that's the challenge we are facing right now, and that is clearly reflected in the numbers we were observing. now in the numbers we're looking at also, we see that there are some prices and that is also linked to your, to your initial va loans, latin america, which is mostly middle high income country, is one of the reasons which is the most effective. and the reason for this is because that america is usually an informal economy, 55.2 percent. in average countries go up to 70 percent looking formality like now if you're in an informal economy where you don't have access to health insurance, you don't have access on employment insurance, and you don't have access to those acuity and economy low flow. in some countries
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more than a year, then all these informal economy stop the economic activity. and therefore before the middle class, now becoming poverty. nice people because they don't have to cash anymore because they don't have any going to get to the so i, it has, i think it all in the world. so it's more than just because of the payment of long . it's a more complex problem. of course, there is the driver's stock drivers. i want to read that, and these were the ones that was referring before climate change. conflicts. most of the only thing for the emergency are in conflict areas in africa. and also a lot on some downers. multi affecting is low down on down. yeah, i want to explore some of those issues of conflict in a moment. but britain obviously has had a great numbers at food banks that we've had campaigns by football. markers rash were to be able to retain free school meals as regards food insecurity in britain. why so little about countries like britain, which is facing food insecurity,
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learn the united states where tonight, what 40000000 more than 40000000 because of covert will not be able to eat without handouts from the u. s. government. yeah, but that one of those countries is that they are formal it the same as the economy is stopped because of their locked down, but employees still get their unemployment insurance. and when they are over the period of unemployment insurance, they will get. so there's a good, which is no it under real income, but it will get resources in informal economy. you don't have that. ok. on the other hand, you gay and others have been able to mobilize their foot bond funds on to be able to substitute. they affect of the closures of the schools where it gets used to me, but that has not been enough, although the depletion in those countries is not a romantic other situation where facing the nature of asia, africa, and america. now, countries like, for example,
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that were able to expand their cash transfer program enormously. you will see that today, official numbers show that. busy they have been being reviewed as, as a result of 19 but it will look at putting security. it does increase what he's telling us. again, it's another importance of getting formal economy, which in brazil were partially middle classic women which are, are eating their conditions in terms of hire. not just moving into poverty and transfers where only target to put it through the cash transfer program. but it had in place, they didn't attack the newport for supporting security that were more barrier when and people that weren't know what else support you're ready. but it because of their informality, that would be enough. so that those point between putting security on the effect of funds for programs which shows that also targeting has been a problem in the policy being implemented. right? so you want to recommend to those countries where the most people are starving systems of food distribution and health insurance. i presume you don't necessarily
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mean private health insurance and social care insurance. you want to recommend to those countries? what is obviously failing in the richer countries? no, i don't know what i am saying is that there are 2. we're going to want to take into account 1st. i think that you need to have better data. and we were claiming for the, for the beginning, i think i'll be making that we need to embed in week, sorry to be able to find a new hot spot operating security. because clearly the effect of life, not a typical problem affecting only the poorest of the poor. you are going to create a new group, a new post, what's up with the security. and that's something that can be done here for several countries in africa. and we're able to support governments and the 2nd number that i'm saying is that we need to find in the solutions, the reviews for money. for example, sometimes it's like a middle may choose options of level relation, which is more adjustable to that is because if you make the legislation more
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flexible and formalize those people taking into account that the analogy you can feel they're working calendar. and therefore, you can give them social security, you can give them control. so those are the things that which will be discussing trans private, the public doesn't have an issue. and we need to learn from best practices around the world. how much say that? that's key actually the public private debate. what about the effect of us sanctions? because we heard earlier about the effect on cuba more than 30 countries, the united states sanctions, britain, sanctions, various countries were not following the washington consensus that increased hunger juris, encoded the continuing sanction, say against venezuela or iran. and so on. so i will, in the case of, of let me separate the 2 types of foreigners. one is it will look up around q and we look around to $84.00. in the case of katie, which to a huge political crisis because of the nation of the pricing. but katie had more
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than 50 percent of their population already on chronic under nurses. and these have been accelerated even more, and the political instead of making things worse, in the case of it, we look at the island estate's q for example q up before we get into ok. he now have shown signs of problems. 30 percent of what they think that they don't have access to currency and they are starting to face discussion which has been in some political problems. so for sure, there are some political context, thinking them and avoiding them to have that paper back that they currently, they need to have a major sanctions there. i've got to say, do all these ones are going to lambert right. ok. i think some people will be surprised that your so spoken in this report about israel restrictions of movement in palestine. how did you come to the conclusion,
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the restrictions on movement of people and goods are affecting food security for children in palestine? no, that's the access, the full and the availability. so there are 2 concepts not wanting to access, which i was reverend before, which is if i have enough income to be able to get it. but if you have enough ink and you have some income and you don't have availability of, that's a big program. and that's where the restrictions of mobility are great and they've got the rates dissipation even more. because in the practice, even start with the increase more, we need to know who the center and that is also a trade versus what you think would happen because a lot of our position is trade is offensive. you move foot from one location where there is no foot, you bring food from other locations internationally and even within the same country. and obviously sanctions contribute to the stoppage of trade and food insecurity. i think that's kind of obvious. you talk about conflict, time and time again in this report. the importance of conflict join cove, it,
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do you think it helped when joe biden bombed syria and iraq just in the past few weeks that help foods insecurity. israel, of course, has been bobbing syrian high. you have a yeah, i got referred to areas we have and we showing the report is that congress and conflict like game and another conflict in conflict. they accessories even more than the nourishment. so what we saw in the report is that when you have company and you have another that i've read that we'd like, like to low downs and others, which can be for sure with grade that your situation is the fact that right, that even more so i guess it's important because conflict is one of the major drivers of the concert which i took right? because right now, so why didn't you recommend in your recommendation as the end of the arms trade with britain, of course is supplying weaponry falling on yemen. you have a big sectional in yemen. why is that not your that these are report better
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recommend integrating them any kind of element of the building actually mean? yeah, but he's not that report about about arms and he's not that report about the results and report looking at what we can do in our experience when we work in conflict on we can find mechanisms through linking food and trying to increase where we can have these countries, which are because of all the political reasons in a conflict, and you definitely expect 5 to 7000000 more children with stunted growth by the food insecurity situation exacerbated by corona virus. and people wasting up to 40000000 more. what do you mean? wasting 40000000 more in 20202030. so there will be a significant increase of those 2 indicators which are on the nourishment indicators. and that's why we need to try to tackle and try to reverse. so chronic and the nurse meaning one dimension way thing is when you have a role him or for age or wait for for age. so,
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so we need to look at those or the indicators. because again, you want to look at all the forms of an orange minimum and we're just finally, is it difficult being there at the f? a? oh, what's a criticism to your face when you come up with reports like this? you are at the well, bank yourself so often blamed by many in the global south for creating the food insecurity that you write of in this report. no, i think there are 2 different impacts of the world bank, the money lending institution for development. my job there was to work on the important right to, to facilitate and res lending so that we can reduce power the way the young here is a different job is trying to bring everything and availability of information so that we can support companies to change their policies to reduce that hunger. so, but that requires a lot of my friends and information and that's what the report tries to bring. we are very open in the information we provide. we are nearly 5 base and we make all our data. so we are one of the institutions where all the data that we publish at
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the country level is made public and people can the lowest and use it through ours . but so i think that's a role because we have to validate the data that we analyze and we call it and we normally have one program, what i want indicate. so i think we've come up with a set of information that has also understand that burning their faith and hope that we can create a formation and change to achieve what we want in if you do at this point. mcnamara, thank you. a pleasure. massive of the show will be back on wednesday. i had a meeting in italy of june, 20 environment in energy ministers with the immediate future survival of humanity on the table until then keep in touch with social media and let us know what you think or who you think is to blame for food and security in cuba, the ah, join me every 1st day on the alex summon show and i'll be speaking to guess on the
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