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fealty to assess whether the thing say old province has a future. but 1st, your team of messages in response i show last week preaching dr. to me, ken of the international vaccine emphasis. simple, now writing about the fact that job it's appointment as a new health accuracy. barney alba says he's more interested in finding contracts for his contacts to worry about his health portfolio. crystal can a says, i says no long term data, it's impossible to clean the actions have been successful. i need to king says i've had both my vaccinations and i am perfectly fine. and finally i dobson, says i 5, both pfizer vaccinations in january and in march to to work no issues, no hassles, no side effects. oh, good. now can we spent 30 years as a prominent labor m p for vote fall in london. however, on her elevation to the house of lords in 2020, she turns her political roots. i'm buying this way of life and rough and in the kind of alex interviews her i size the house of lords k toy,
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50 years, a labor m p for a walk soul. but half and all. and i, when last because you grew up in the and the problem, so that's your, your home, your home grown. yes, i was born and bred there and i went school and i went to college, qualified to see teacher then decided that i wanted to go to the capital city of my country, which was london, came a long who took an economic degree. i don't know very much, but i can, i'd like to have them basically stayed in long more than ever since that i was back and forward quite a lot. so it's always been important to me when i 1st came over with an m p being from northern on. and it was actually pretty difficult because you were sort of treated when you were from a sort of union as background as some kind of, almost pariah within the labor party. and you know, years as a labor m. p of in
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a huge number of issues. you are known for being outspoken on but how much was the situation and now in the future of your politics? so it was that and the back button because you are they m p for voc so well obviously it could have been a big priority because you were so involved with your own constituency, a very, very poor constituency with huge problems and enormous amounts of care work looking back on it, but there were always issues that, you know, i felt very strongly about. and one of the issues actually was an internal matter because the neighbor party never allowed people until very recently to even join the liberal party in northern ireland. and yet when i was growing up, there was a northern ireland labor party that had labor and peace, some very, very well known and good labor people. labor then would not allow. it ended when the trouble began, basically because it became very sectarian, you know, you're either one side or the other. whereas the neighbor was trying to bring
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people together. and then the labor party kay, would not allow people to join. eventually that was only ended because a very dedicated g m. b worker took threatened to take the party to court. they had to allow people to join, but they still don't allow anyone to put up candidates. so you join the labor party in northern ireland, but you can't actually vote for labor. and occasionally you get people standing as sort of labor brackets, pretend candidates, but it's not the same. and i think that's been a real democratic deficit. you know, i think of labor had organized property there from the beginning. the conservatives take it sometimes they're, they're quite active. sometimes they're not. but if it been to me in stream parties really concerned, i think it could have made a difference to the idea that there's not real politics in northern ireland and probably that part of the reason i left recent times. i mean, you've been very associated as a prominent labor brakes appear to fight the most prominent labor breaks. if you
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have some census, what are you thinking in terms of the overall argument or was the implications for non island of a part of your consideration when you are advocating withdrawal from the european union? no, because you see i see northern i was very much part of the united kingdom and it was a decision to leave as the u. k. and i, i, i've never really understood what i do understand why the border between northern has been become such an issue. but there was no need for it to become such an issue . and i think if you look back, you will remember that when we 1st voted to leave for a very short period of time, the irish government were involved in discussions with the u. k. at civil service level, about technical arrangements, what could happen then teacher for rod came in and he stopped all of that because i think by that time, you know, i think the european union had actually realized that northern on with a very useful little bit of the united kingdom that they could drip,
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drip away at the british government and annoy, annoyed them and indeed punished them. and you know, it was used as a kind of weapon. at the same time, the irish government sought as also wanting to be very much part of the use of sticking by the use. but also i think they saw it as a useful opportunity to, to get a united ireland in terms of economics to so i can make trade together 1st and then leading to united ireland. they hope they're bring us right up to date as no bias. wholly a back in northern ireland, you've been one of the leading progenitor of the, the legal case against the protocol. and although you were unsuccessful in the non i school, she, you felt you established quite an important principle. tell us that the very important principle was established and we, we lost in the 1st high court in, in northern ireland. but the judge did room that the protocol had breached article
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6 of the active union. and we were always saying that the protocol was unlawful when, of course, he was able to say, it's not unlawful because it's been breached because there's been what he called implied, repealed in the house of commons, when the withdrawal acted. this is the 18 o one act of union between ireland and the rest of the yes. and that particular act that, that, that section is about internal trade and then the necessity of all of that happening. but i think the most serious thing, and it's not just for northern ireland, but i would have thought people scotland would be very interested that you know, if the active union can be sort of repealed almost with no knowing. and he looked back to hand sought i think there was only one question from emma galle, a bite the act of union and she was laughed up. don't be silly. and now we will have to end up in the supreme court because that's ultimately constitutional issues will be decided that we won't defeat the protocol only by legal stay would be nice
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if we could win that. but we need people to protest and we need particularly a conservative an unionist party to realize that they have gone very badly off track on this. and i think if i'm being fair to the prime minister, i always like to be fair to the prime minister. i generally don't think that they realize, you know, highly detailed difficulties at 1st, always going to bring and also that the european union could be quite so nasty putting it simply as nothing in the bottles. johnson argument not much that has the best of both worlds and trade openly through the single market and also can fade with the you can, once these transitional issues are ironed out, that must be a privilege position economically for a while. it doesn't really work like that. because you see most of the trade from
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northern ireland is going to great britain and great britain. most of the great britain is coming to northern ireland, not actually going on into that are probably about it. but also there's nothing to stop those traders at the moment trading. people have been saying, oh look, that particular company is not buying things from the republic, yvonne and well, they always had that opportunity to do that. you know what, what it means to me generally for the whole of the united kingdom is that we as our, our, our, our sites a little bit higher than just dealing with the european union. i'm just wanting to see if you are holy m. p for county and from instead of k holy as was empty for vote. so would you be? so tuning round the city saying come to county anthem and you'll be able to trade the single market and the rest of the world. and the u. k. will not be what you are doing if i pay for not well, no, because most of them are not doing that because they know that that's, that's not really the answer. no, if i, if i was the m p for,
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for country i'm from now, i would be telling my party, whichever party i was in to be stopping implementing the protocol. i mean, it's ludicrous that we're opposing it in northern ireland, but we're implementing it by having people searching or even stopping. or you know, the ideas that you cannot bring something in from your own country and whether you believe in a united ireland or not. you don't like northern ireland, the reality is where part of the united kingdom. but you know, you, if people want that change, then i have to be a proper mechanism to do that through the vote in the bell agreement. and that's not happening. and the day to day difficult, you know, now we've got the europe in union changing it attitude to feeding animals to other animals and northern ireland because it stayed within the euros are going to have to comply with up. so we then have the situation of people in england saying we want to buy anything more from northern and if they're, if they're feeding their animals in their hands and in the, in
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a different way. and every day something new comes up, which is why, you know, i think david frost is quite right when he says it, it is just on the sustainable, it can't go on. apart from the societal difficulties that are there, it really is something that is going to have to and one way or the other. it shouldn't lead frost of thought that what he was negotiating the protocol. well, i understand it was really micro goes is actually much more involved in the detail of knowledge. and i think from my meetings and contacts with lord, frost i, i generally think he, he gets it, you know, on the other of course important issue is the fact that the, the genuine need to belfast, good friday agreement has been breached as well. because the east west, it was a very delicate balance between north sites and east. west north side is being carrying on wonderfully and east west has been disrupted so you can understand why pro union people in or not and feel very angry,
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very let dine very abandoned by their own government. you know, that's not good for the union. people who want the union broken up, perhaps even scottish nationalists probably are quite happy with some of the things that are happening. but it's not good for the union. and i think the conservatives, many of them not realizing that one last question, i mean, recently you were quoted as saying he thought that the irish, the public might come out of the european union. but that's not going to happen. but i'm more interested in what do you think the future of terms of the political balance and non island is going to be with us looking for your position was convinced you in the us but, but some sense of the staff of norm irish policies where, where do you think the balance of non island is going to is going to move? yeah, we're just on the very quickly on the irish thing in 15 years ago. people said the united kingdom could never leave your communion. so we'll see about that in 15 years. time but well, i think i think the important thing is that yes,
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political parties in northern ireland are not particularly liked at the moment. and there's all of our all of the parties are having major problems, even even sion fee and bought ultimately when it comes to the union. you know, an awful lot of people who don't vote the fee or don't even vote unionist who when it came to an actual vote about staying in the union. saying in the united kingdom or giving up your british citizenship and becoming part of the united would not vote for the silent vote for the union with the silent vote for breakfast. since i've been back in northern, i realize just how little the average member of, for example, the d p gets involved in the i did 38 people voted for their leader. i think that tells you something. so i think the parties in northern ireland do have to look at how do they, how they're working. by this way. thank you so much for joining us again. malik salmon show coming up after the break, alex continues as
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a view of the feature of northern island with mac fealty of the political blog. sluggard, will see then the one that makes no, certainly no borders and the blind number please. as emerge. we don't. we don't the back seen the whole world needs to take action and be ready. not a joke. people are judge, you know, come crisis, we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each of their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is paid for the response has been massive. so me,
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good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are together in special summer solutions where we look at the solutions. i'm here with stacy herbert, david got a special guest said right out there, mccloud of gold money dot com. he writes amazing pieces over. there are lots of blog posts, research, and all sorts of stuff. i recommend you check it out, your latest pieces out there are called too much liquidity and inflation assets and consumer prices. so this is definitely the biggest theme of 2021. and that is inflation. welcome back. alex is examining the feature of northern ireland over the last 20 years. a political blog, sluggard true, has emerged as
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a dominant place for discourse in northern ireland, alex speaks to its finder and editor in chief mcnelty. but feel say no now, and that's just mark 100 years of existence. is it going to see another 100 bucks to my? well, do i mean when the partition was 1st brought in many people, particularly nationals who live near the border, looked at the border post. and so they were going out in would assume like the british government, like perhaps the incipient irish government. but partition was going to be a very temporary thing, but actually it lasted another 50 years before northern are included in 1969. and then the other, 50 years, most of which has been characterized by move towards are away from violence and towards power. sharing, so it may not have been years but another 100 years. i think it's some of that or a difference to the one that we see today. but what is this crisis a union?
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some people say, since the very little idea and i've been the democratic union list some 20 years ago under the in paisley took over from the official unionist. they seem to be hard . the line was working class, but they came to publishing agreement was shouldn't fame. but of the democratic union as a fracturing spectacularly so over the last few weeks, what is this crisis and non either unionism? okay, well, let me, let me try to explain it. but by use of demographics, if you like, because the terms unionism, nationalism don't really mean an awful lot of people by side north not, not include people in the republic as well, nor not in politics, is a bit of a closed book, except for those funds. spent large chunks of our lives trying to understand that and trying to explain what demographically, if you like, unionism historically, especially if you go back to 1922 when the partition of the island began. raney's
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unionism is a marking protest for non catholic if you like. and so what happened really, since and when nor setup was deliberately with a strong, stable protestant majority. but his time is going on 1st and those 1st 50 years until the troubles began. it was a foreign majority and then over the last 50 years, we've seen kline a decline decline. and with the certainty that holding the majority meant north, not withstand perpetuity within the united kingdom to greater and greater insecurity, but also lesser and lesser numbers share between these 2 big union as parties. and in the law, i'd say 5 to 10 years, we've seen other parties breaking through the middle as more and more catholics and protestants. how the claims of the crime described themselves as either one of
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those 2 religious blocks. and so i think what you're saying here is an instability because the raising per unionism coming together in the 1st place is only have upheld by. now i am a minority of people in northern ireland. therefore, but if you cannot have to quite a flavor protestant state let for protest, people because no less protestants and catholics on this year, census would suspect them. how can i am, how the union is future of the, how is it possible to have a union as future if the basis of unionism is no more? okay, so let's, let's re define where we're, where we, when we got to graphically, because although it's true to say there is no longer probably the majority, there is also not a catholic majority insights in crime,
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despite the fact that conflicts at school age and or of maryland have a substantial majority over those. instead schools, the proportion of catholics in the population, only when i one percent, and 2011. my suspicion is that the fastest growing block is those in the middle who, who will not skirt themselves with catholic or protest. and if you like, these are people who at the bottom box are making post constitutionalist choices about who they vote for. i suspect when this years census results are reported. the religious affiliation will find the walk is something like 20 percent of the whole population, which means that neither nationalist nor unionist and not makes the buffet of northern ireland. more of them, a traffic because it will be a by personal choice, not by personal, tribal identity. i'm more potentially more unstable,
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but it also means that union nationals will have to work for those in the middle. they say a play on both your houses. so let's talk about that 20 percent and the middle people of no strong religious affiliation and not by bragging either a nationalist or a union. this what's going to appeal to them the most is going to be breaks up, but venturing forth the balcony of bought us at the helm, or is it going to be the irish public, safely ensconced in the european union? what is the future most attractive to you reckon to that 20 percent? i know it's hard to tell in the long term, but just breaks it is going to have to we need to sort things around, protocol the protocol as you know, as a scott grants, northern are certain privileges and rights that are not granted to the rest. the united kingdom. so for instance, firms that are setup in belfast can export into the rest the united kingdom,
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but can also have unfettered access into the rest the, the, your opinions. so already potentially, as long as most people don't lose their weights on this nor model the sitting with a huge strategic advantage just by being northern ireland and not pre it's, i mean, what's strange about this is the union. us are the ones who kicked up most of the very thing that might in the long term ensure that the union but the rest, the united kingdom and jurors because it gives northern. i was a strategic above that you wouldn't have if it's simply unified with the rest of the rest of the country. night august 20 percent. my my sha position minutes, only position i can't point to cleared yet missed. most of them would have voted against praxis. they're not particularly nationalist or not british national stories and irish national senate,
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what they're looking for are politicians who for them on bread and butter issues and the political parties in north america, but seem to be prospering or at least responders. my challenge baths are naomi long alliance parties and they've been around since $900.00 and the moderate nationalist as the lp party, who over the last 2 to 3 years have been putting together what looks like a left of center social democrat read distribution appeal. i think it's only with those material appeals to those people in the middle for a better future that you're on in any way. have any chance of actually capturing the future either for the continuance of the union with britain or some radical re align with the rest of the aisles? the make filter that's a pretty dramatic forecast. i mean, what you're saying is after a generation we have non ice politics move to the extremes,
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who came to an accommodation with each other as and one side should fame on the other side, the democratic union us, you're simply pointing to anita after the power of the middle, the middle ground, this is going to prosper, is that when you say the regional, i think the middle is going to come, may well come through. is that a certain point, barrack constituencies conjoin so that you've got i feel like kind of political molecules. swapping and moving around between those 2 part is that they simply comp between the bench and pan. i'm not trying to predict the future here. how like so i'm not trying to back out of what i've just said. i just think the potential for the middle grind to retake things lies in the fact that about 20 and possibly if you look at some of the survey data, 30 percent of the north american population have had enough of a constitutional question that never delivers on the grounds, so most people would argue that one of the things is happened. this was the
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departure from the scene of the 2 recent jibes of knowledge politics or rather in paisley, in the one honda, martin mcguinness, on the other 2 people with the stature to basically gooden the respect of parties into lane and palo shilling. that has been the reason for the difficulties. you seem to be arguing with something much more fundamental going on the, the ground shifting from under the feet of the, the newly dose of shouldn't fain. and the d u. p regardless of the stature in the last bill. actually if you look at the performance of both the inch and then we see is, is dropped slightly higher, i think for the v p than she panel to some extent. that's partly because b s b l piece the back and once they analyze shouldn't be taken off of the paper detail. but in and fall, which champagne have been working the pick up. we are still p for years and managed
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to do it. and 2017 by law, stop 517000 votes to the lp in so far, which for years was difficult for the us. the lp to hold on to clar, hama came through with a massive majority because she started taking votes from even working class protestant areas, because they're fed up with this shaun, shaun fight a fight every day and storm on with balls and bring anything forward. so, you know, i think there is definitely momentum there you see in the census figures you see in this pulling away from an argument over the constitution that never seems to have any eagerness, except there's always a promise of a border polls i'm saying, but nobody ever puts any meat on those particular bones, so violent, i feel table sluggard will kill without be a safe space for me. but i see of pipes of, you know, nice politics for,
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for some time to come. well, i hope so, you know, novice, you've got many, a young chart but you know, i think it's, it's see a space for people to share ideas that you know and perspectives but, but otherwise wouldn't get shared books. you know, we'll see by adding market note mcfield, if i get so much was joining the ones together mailing simon show pleasure. alex northern ireland may be 100 years old, but the state of the province is very far from stable. after the good friday agreement with peace increasingly embedded, it was hoped that both communities would settle for a joint stake and the future. your opinion had to affectively eliminated border politics in the island of ireland. while all parties that he got into the stake involved government breaks, it destabilized everything, the fact
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a border post violence on land has been placed by seizing union as discontent. the protocol a treat between westminster and judith over the heads of storm and as ever in fact, the circumstance, politicians who suggest accommodation must reality. i sweat the site by those who prefer a hard line approach. thus, the democratic unionist party, the dominant part of northern island for the last 2 decades, has gone to 3 leaders in 3 weeks quickly. it also doesn't help the unionist insecurities to have the knowledge that this year census is likely to record the 1st protestant minority and the history of the province. some like a toy believe that the political possession will be dissolved by ireland leaving the european union. others believe that i should have his course now than it has been since partition other hit like mac fealty. see the emergence of a new center book, concentrating on the delivery of social and economic advances can elected tired of
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constitutional politics. whatever the destination of change the process of getting there is unlikely to be a comfortable one. and i from alex myself and all that issue is good bye, stacy. and we hope to see you all again next week. ah, me the ah, today industry meeting of you know,
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the to get a regulations. i will business all about making money. it's about big corporation, international markets import export. do you imagine the number of the diseases are in every family today? it's, you know, due to new viruses or new microbes, it's not true. so it is due to environment loss. i see that not going to either the momentum command on much accumulate got on the come in the day they don't allow us. the food industry is successful for create more jobs, it will create more value added, it will create more. so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest of the industry that we have regulation. we want the regulation of the industry. and if we don't behave then yes, that's fine. ah ah,
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