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from bath is the you case where drugs are his autobiography, not on cut shots, a scandalous history of u. k. drug policy as a virtual class war professor. david. david, thanks so much for coming back on even before i get to the amazing book with so many insights a say your take, i know it's not your direct field a given the you will feel the pharmacology on, on the british government's response to the current of funding, it seems to me, it's almost just chaotic is their response to drugs and it fails or has partially felt for the same reasons, but don't have a systematic structure for making decisions. and then of course, why has the health service become overrun? whereas in most other countries in europe, it wasn't overrun because we basically been undermining that health service for decades. and of course breakfast also encouraged about 200000 health workers to leave. i did give her medical agency as they keep saying the vaccines agency that
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allowed us to vaccinate more than we're being yes. yeah. there's that you raise a really interesting question. let's look, we can't do it today, but let's look and see what, what was better, how we actually save more lives we back to nation than we've lost because we haven't heard of health services, etc function. so that's the 1st thing i would say. the 2nd thing i would say, and this is very relevant because i last march and what's not 15 months ago, i wrote an article, but i thought this, i think the consequences of coded in a year's time will not be anything to do with chest infections or or problems with breathing, it'll be jude with a psychological consequences. and these are going to be to fall, these are the consequences or actually long coding. we know the virus is getting the brain and we know this virus gets in the brain. we knew that every we saying that people who have to deal to health service was over stress and i had to deal with with that being properly resource. and i'm particularly property protected.
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half of all people working in intensive care, you have got p t. do we have shades to deal with the psychological consequences? oh no, we do not. we still, we don't have any roadmap for the brain until i find that really reprehensible because this, the consequences are not just economic, but they're also psychological. and we should be working on that. we should have started working on that as soon as we saw the, the extent of the of the, the spread, the virus is a big case a previous b. and i suppose the answer to your 1st point that obviously britain has one of the worst death rates in the world, and certainly one of the worst death rates in, in western europe. when you compare it to the arguable incompetence, i presume it's incompetent not by design to your experience with drug policy. i don't know whether you mean and it's constantly referred to in this book. the need for ministers and i don't know. there's a bit of dominant cummings there. what you had argued really for were top advisor
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devoris johnson. this element of the importance of media with respect to public health policy. absolutely. i mean, the government has been dancing to a significant extend to the, to the media tune in this particular the, the, the read up newspapers in the same way. they've always done their training relation to drug policy. they try to appease them when they know quite explicitly that their agenda isn't necessarily was best of the country. then you are convinced as the drugs are for this country, as the government official drugs are that time and time again, it was these red top newspapers and all of them are read actually. i think that's certainly owned by oligarchs. that thing exerted a completely disproportionate influence. over public health care, the most amusing thing they do. you go into the home office for a meeting and all they be talking about. the 1st thing they do is i have a focus group amongst the stuff on what the daily mail said about the home office
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the day before. it is real, but they will more actually did this. they actually did. and of course they would be criticized the home of his in those days is actually doing both them with policing and things like immigration that's been criticized repeatedly and, and that's what they care about. they care about not with the essential appeasing, or at least not getting even more on the wrong side of the data, which is because it's almost impossible to appease newspapers like that. frankly. i mean, i'm sure the johnson government, despite all the allegations about track and trace and its involvement with companies and, and the new secretary, the replace for disgraced one who has been on the payroll of a financial institution associated with us private health care. they were denied corruption in your book, you an edge, a direct link between tony blair's corruption with the formula, one boss, bunny, egleston, and alcohol policy. i don't know being the leading cause of death for men under 50
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today. corruption may be too strong. a word, i'm not sure i use that in the book, but i think it was a really odd thing, wasn't it that tony blair says we're actually going to get rid of all advertising and then suddenly because formula one is important and, and i believe that the labor part is being supported by some of the formula, one people using formula one. suddenly alcohol advertising doesn't get restricted in the way that we will know it should be. they didn't explicitly say it was for me to one, but that is the room that was going around at the time that there was a lot of pressure from formula one for them to keep talking all over time. and when you say the industry that i don't know whether they're echoes now with corona virus, because we're continually told about the importance of the economy and that was despite you're explaining to them the economic cost. all well call if you put it on a balance sheet, it doesn't make money for britain. know, but is that coming back in the 2, thousands over half of all m p 's, we're getting
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a reward. we can put it that way from the uk on industry that had interest in the all going to is a very sophisticated industry they they managed to encourage and he didn't a very clever way. they managed politicians and editors of newspapers. they come together in regular meeting, the field by the drink industry, regular, free r, p in westminster, all that love a terrorist over the thames, the there are every fortnight. there's a party which drinks industry produce the alcohol for free, and senior newspaper editors and reporters and m. p. 's of all persuasions are they're basically drinking a great deal for free and that effectively sift suppresses all discourse in parliament. and most discourse in the media about a 100 times sure m. p 's, all all deny that. absolutely. and i think we did have a lobbyist on the, on the program from one of the organizations people can look up that interview on
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youtube. i mean, the, the, i mean before everyone thinks absolutely period technical on this program, you might have to remind us about your brain receptor. alcohol substitute is it also related to the book, i mean, the opposition to that as the opposition to your research on brain receptors when it came to anxiety. because you don't talk about nearly being killed in a bomb. but what is the kind of opposition to the, the alcohol substitute alco? since you have to remind is what they are quickly as well. okay, so i'll caution is a wonderful construct which actually came out of star wars. we called us rel, as candor route is to, is to sweetness you get the sweetness without the calories. when i started talking about this, i've been talking about this now, and he's taking the 15 years i've been talking about replacing alcohol. initially. i think the drinks industry very, very skeptical and we thought the, you know, they thought we were an enemy, but now the public moved,
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particularly young people in london and 20 to 40 roads begin to move away from the home and they're doing it for health reasons. and that means the drinks industry is not growing at a rate. in fact, for many, apart from cobra coverage, that's been a blessed to them. but before we drink sales, we're falling and people were moving away from the whole continue to drink, to alcohol free drinks. and this trend i think is going to hopefully get the industry talking to us more than what they are already. they kind of know that it, when people read of alcohol and read them at the harness, you can't escape the factors on. it's a very harmful drug. so something that can mimic it in a way, but without or with much less of the harms. they see that this could actually be the salvation for them. and it sort of similar to the way that now most big tobacco companies are moving away from cigarettes, which we know are and very, very harmful to say for alternatives. you say cigarettes harmful but in some of the
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graphs and charts in this book. and i know you have lots of providers and caveats. it's quite shocking to see how it were. uncle comes in comparison to heroin cigarettes, all manner of different drugs. and we talked about foreign policy on this program, obviously the us troops, levy get this done. and the poppy fields fundamentally, you believe the board for the foreseeable future drug policy is not going to be refundable. we are now waiting to this day carol black review part to do you think you think it could change? now that we have a boris johnson cabinet that have confessed many of them to taking illegal narcotics when they should. of course, if they had any kind of moral principles. but so when will it? i don't know. actually the i think of labor had said they wanted change. it would happen because i think the tories would feel that they have to keep abreast or the
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family star has come out recently saying he doesn't believe in d. even in d criminalization a part of what he was out of the c b s, which prosecuted many, even under the 71 drugs act. okay. but so it was come out of harrison. america was a public prosecutor in, in california. and she put a lot of a lot of community black community into prison thinking that that would drive about drugs in california. she's now recounted, and they are going, i believe, to actually remove the criminal sentences which been given to so many black people in the states to canada. his position said she's changed. why? i would have thought stormer should be smart enough to say what he did was actually wrong and, and could ha, we doubled our prison population since the 1980s. and that doubling is all due to putting people with drug problems into prism. and that is truly the most ridiculous thing to do because not only does it not help them,
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it actually makes it worse. many people start carol using heroin in prison. they go to prison for candidates, or that they thought using heroin because he's left detectable and he's easy to get in prison. or again, it's this response to this mysterious power of all of our newspapers in this country to the 9400000000 estimated business. here professor david dot, i'll stop you there more from david, not after this break. plus is i'm trying to cheat fame, daughter of assassinating me. communist revolutionary young son, being tortured by the means military. we go to me and my to speak to her lawyer fighting charges that could see her die in prison, or more coming up in today's going underground. the news join me every 1st day on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport,
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business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me. ah, today industries prefers millions of you know, the regulations will be all about making money. i think it's about the corporation international markets. import export. do you imagine the number of the diseases are in every family today? it's, you know, due to new viruses or new microbes, it's not true. so it is due to environment. they're not going to take either the momentum much hello. yes, thank you. let me come in today. mostly they don't allow us. the food industry is accessible for create more jobs. it will create more value added.
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it will create more. so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interests of the industry that we have regulation. we want regulation as the industry and if we don't have any specialty, that's fine. mm . welcome back. i'm still here with professor david, not the author of not on got when people are thinking about tonight, semi final with denmark. graham sterling will be on the beach. it comes up in your book tonight. there will be 2 england players who have got photos of using nitrous oxide, nitrox laughing gas, which we don't know on this program. i have to say, you know, it's a great british drug invented in 1780 in birmingham, by priestly, popularized by the president of the rough society, very, very famous humphrey davy, the man who discovered more elements than any other kenneth in history. why
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football is using it? well, because football are, they're actually rather smart because they realize that if to get have party to party, you can use alcohol or nitrous oxide. if he's alcohol to get to a level of, of quite intense intoxication of fun. you're going to have a hangover that ex them. if you use nitrous oxide, you're going to be fine. 5 minutes later, but it is oxide became we believe it's not proven. it's not at the in law but subject to the psychiatric substances that largely because newspapers took pictures of people like sterling using nitrous oxide and then vilifying, doing so, and claiming it was harmful when hung hundreds of millions of women around the world have had to deal with the pain of childbirth, just like luke did when he had his broken leg in system. well, i know it may be used for him some trial for depression. again, i have to say we can do it. i mean, i want to get the book is so it seems like it's the volume and there is so much in
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it. i mean, and there's so many old things like when you'd say golden brown, got legislation through that all as the cannabis medically used. there's no medic mitigation on that. or there is for cocaine and things like that. but just very seriously and personally for you, people might not remember how this oligarch press attack your family and you personally as you are pursuing this evidence based career of research designed to save the lives of billions of people from anxiety for mental health. and so yeah, well i've been attacked, i have been attacked by the press. i've been attacked by love it when i was struck to the government's drugs are 1st saying that the horse riding is more dangerous in ecstasy. i mean, it really was absolutely fail day for the press that a sudden did a terrible thing. they, they dug,
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they got it cut it is drilled into 3 of my full kids facebook sites. and i made outrageous claims about what they were doing completely without it, you know, substance with tool. and because once it's, once we got into one who's paper then it, it can be that it becomes news and then they can get into all the newspapers and it was hanging around actually on the m o male web site to let some inquiries only when we complained wrote a letter to the levison saying that the mail hadn't taken down is that raises the misrepresentation of my children eventually the week before por daycare went to see levison suddenly disappeared from the main website that had been up there for many years for acre boss at the, at the mail, i've been just as quickly on how this impact on class war, arguably an inequality. is this something here from the mental about inequality, time and time again, it obviously disproportionately impacts on the health outcomes for the poor. i
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don't know whether the rich members of the city taken go came watching this program less likely to die for some reason than those who are poor. what is that dimension to this research? the fact is, if you're rich and white, you get to go to prison. if you picked up with a cup, look, again, if you're black, you will. i mean that this is tenfold, you're more likely to get a criminal record for drugs. if you're black, if you're like one of the problems, we created the brown and black re 80, but they incentivized the police. one of one of the markers with police successes with kind of his convictions and the police, you know, whatever you think of the police are not completely stupid. and they realize the easiest crime to solve the kind of it's going to just walk into a bargain london of a black guy. but yeah, the bucket buddy, you know, a little bit of, of kind of this, then you got your arrest and please, we'll do that. and that then creates an underclass which because with those records
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you can in teaching, you can't go into politics, you can't go into the police, you can't really go into any other civil service. and so what happens? well, if you haven't, if you can get other work, then what do you do? you do drugs. and this is the whole rationale for the, the portuguese de criminalization approach. you stop people dealing drugs to get drugs and to stay alive. and you take drugs out of black market and you put it into health and then people get treated so they don't have to be drugs to get it. and you find that drug use goes right now because it's the, the use of drug this field largely by drug users selling drugs to get enough money to pay for the rooms. professor david, not the books out now, not. com. thank you. thank you. the now as you k and us troops, we have canister the dead of night, and the u. s. embassy comes under drone attack in baghdad to job biden's air
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strikes and syria and iraq and other former imperial western colony as being debated today. the un, this after a military coup in burma, there's been mass displacement killing and wounding. and what now for i think they're g detained for a decade and a half release than acute debating genocide. and now fighting corruption charges in the region critical to western oil supplies. joining me now from ne p y, i tar is. i'm glad you can mugs or thank you so much. you can for coming on the show. what's it like represent again, and so given your family is the historic support for the communist insurgency that liberated me and more after the father was assassinated, maybe by on the order of clement. actually, we will know about that history in britain was like representing such a famous politician for free. i have to tell you, remind you that my father was an all comedy to go on on to
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cheese for the general also because general turn was founder off the common spot. in 1930 page, my father was a communist party member to there's a story background to it. i mean, i don't go too, too far back, but since it was the 73 of us is 73rd anniversary, the national health service here in britain is, is loaded by the left here just quickly who did kill your client, father, the church you on the record who saw and, but there were british weapons used. famously, i mean, you know about prison conditions in me and mom wants the condition of anger to gee, in detention. have you even been able to speak to her? i mean, you know, about jail and hunger strike after all. yes, doran santucci condition is much better than our condition when
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we weigh that bit as prisoners. but according to our standard, he is now in the very distressed condition. is the unfair of a life, not that much, but he doesn't have any access to the information. he cannot meet any other person. but from the lawyers whom she asked to meet weekly for 30 minutes before i went to a mental torture. she doesn't claim she's be tortured. she, she doesn't blame. she's been physically tortured, not, not physically taught you. now, she is charged with the corruption. she's charged with the flouting coven restrictions, using a walkie talkie. also being against the official secrets act. what do you make of
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these judges? fraud? no. restrictions was spreading dissension against the government for loose charges. he is now on trial. but for the charges of library and corruption, she is not on trial. it was due is that the charge was only investigation. a lot of people saying this is much more than just about sang suji. this is about geo politics. you your defending her. but and there was an interview with you in the new york times. why do you think there isn't much news about sex who g and international western media any more?
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we have been mon ashy, who's been hired by the media government to lobby for them in the west. he actually came on to talk about jeffrey epstein and gillian maxwell. but there are clearly people trying to lobby the media in the west. do you see, are you surprised that there is not more attention in the west of this case? that's not a complete truth. because on the 1st of july i d, h, i means international associations. human rights institute back issue will be at stake when it formed watch a group of prominent lawyers to watch the keys off to onto the president when me and because of course in, in, in nato countries which did support her freedom,
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they accuse her of facilitating genocide of the room, ringo muslims, people said she should be on dr. for that. not these things. i guess it's good in position again on this issue because i have students of defendants one loan a school shit that much, i get off. and yet the book, even up to now, he, on concerning with the ranger. i haven't discussed about this issue with her, but i wanted say she and her party stood somewhat differently than that. the former position flowed as this military survive. how is it interlinked? would you say to trans national capitalism?
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after all, the singapore is the biggest foreign investor. i mean who, who is funding this government that are bringing these charges against your client day ministry? government has all, always used up natural resources and to build at made she was ex, military establishment by selling that natural gas, especially do their name. never got to china know the chinese ambassador to me. and my said, it's absolutely not what china wants to see the detention of your client in nato countries. a quarter of the world's oil may be passes through the straits of malacca in the south. me in, ma, what it will, how will this play with the charges again sang, sang su,
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cheat on trying to key by looking at the he took the conciliatory, conciliatory, lie stand with me. she gratis. the big mistake she had meet. yeah. yeah. i mean like what, what went wrong? she was accused of being too close to the military. should she somehow get closer to china, which will presumably be me and my future biggest trading butler. i don't think they should she go on time to look at the china as main trading, but notice because she didn't give it any more favor. but class steve does to china other than the other other countries
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like this? when do you think she will be free? i cannot say for sure if she is convicted of all those charges and punishments are set on ha consecutively, all those assignments amount to, i believe, 40 or 50 you school. if you will not be free in our lifetime, you can monitor. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday to talk sports nationalism and club the head of the final of the 2020 football championship. and what would it mean the birthday of one of the 21st century is greatest political think is mark fisher until then. keep in touch with social media to try to channel on youtube and let us know whether you think i'm going to cheat should be pretty, ah, ah,
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me. the whatever. the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in
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their own interest. while you see in this, these techniques is the state devising message to end to essentially destroy personality of an individual lifetime. means this is how one doctors, theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against the prisoners deemed a danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community, and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. the victim say they still with the consequences today we're used to hearing it will lead to messaging about the importance of values. not everyone in the block agrees. in fact, a growing number of conservative and populous forces are speaking out against what subtle call brussels colonial outlook. conservatives and populace. talk the
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language of family and culture. we least talk a values to create a european superstate. ah, you are watching rp international coming up in our headlines this our, the caribbean nation is, is rocked by the assassination of the countries president while his home with report that his wife was also injured by the same attackers report that she has also to come to her injury, we will hear from german red cross mother who's raising the alarm over a growing number of those who is skipping their appointment to get a 2nd corona virus job. that's all as a covey hesitancy. trend continues to spread across the globe and it is.

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