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ah ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things considered a funeral about the communist party in china celebrated it's 100 anniversary last week. it made it clear will no longer tolerate being lectured by the west. is this a new red line also in the aftermath of the, by the summit? is it fair to say the washington? inter agency consensus is winning again. the
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to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george w l a n buddha pet fees, podcasts, the gaggle which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in moscow were joined by me. bob, she's a political analyst and editor in us, me internet media project or a gentleman cross up rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to d. m a 1st here in, in moscow it was a lot of media coverage about diem, of the 100 enter birth 3, the birthday party of the communist party of china. and it was a mixed bag. what would one would expect? but what, what struck me very much about it for a communist party, it was not remarkably ideological in many ways. of course, there was lip service being paid to marxist leninism. but it was really much about the the physical real achievements of an organization known as the communist party of china. and it wasn't necessarily because of socialism. it is because of the
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party. what were your thoughts? well, i share your impression and i would say that it was very important that the stress was on respect to history. i mean, at the moment when in canada, they just roy, the monument for green victory and because of something that happened after she left the office because of these terrible deaths of that nature of population to each of was when victoria personally had no relation whatsoever in the epa when we can you know, excess s o b l movement in the united states. china is stress in respect to history and not only the communist period, no history, but also the preceded. this is very important and that makes china a much less ideological state than i'm sorry, the united states and the european union member just in their present condition.
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i mean, the worst thing about 30 days is, is this destruction or history child? yes. your history a, when you know your view characters from the 19th or even the 18th century and by 2 days ice. and in that sense, china now is a much less ideal what you call state than most of the west, georgia. wait, wait on that because president she, when he was giving his speech and gentlemen square is a symbolism, was really quite obvious. he was what he appeared very much like wow, i mean, in the car right there. but again, you know that there's that contrast. mean you've been, you have the symbolism, but the me of the cup of the, the word the and the ideas that he was trying to express was achievement. okay. and of course, obviously this was a cheer leading for the communist party with the inspect no less. but nonetheless,
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it was more about the ban cod rays of the party than the caliber of their people. and the chinese features keep popping up. i mean, this is one of the things that you and i've talked about before socialism but chinese features. but i guess my impression is it's a lot more chinese features, but it is those of them which of course i think it's misunderstood in the west. go ahead, george. well, that's a very interesting issue because there was a stock contrast between the rhetoric, which was a celebration of the talking, the party, the about, the a thoughts of his speech. read like something that you were to read, you know, in the soviet union, in the $900.00 off the guiding force of the region relation of the nation is the responsibility of the party. you know, they cannot be any china without the but as you say, the media logical concept seems to be very nebulous. they talk about elizabeth
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whenever there is no attempt to define what they mean by social socialism with chinese characteristic. there's also a very little by way of self criticism. and again, that's different from the soviet experience because i go, yeah, i mean china is a great deal about it. yes. what about before we have the great leap forward because we have china miles cultural revolution and only calamity. it's very interesting what they've done. i mean, the soviet they kind of been told that a fall and they demonized solid, but they kind of wanted to retain many of the beaches that fall in the creative goals. they got themselves into trouble doing that, having shopping in the fall and it was very difficult. the chinese never really like the soviet bid with style. and i mean i, that was because of the beginning of the rift between the 2. but the variance is,
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i mean here the chinese, somebody if you say you look right now, they celebrate mildly these other great heroes. wow. you know, lose shout g. you know, things about joe and lie. so they want to retain, but continue is a little they're complete your robust the promise of mile and the founders of the revenue in when they were talking about them and their move towards capitalists, i think it was sho, pain. it doesn't, it doesn't matter what the color of the, the cat is, as long as it catches mice. ok. and i think that that stands today, a demon. also, a very important was this and looking at it, you know, we've been watching china's rise for our entire lifetime here. and i remember, you know, you would hear words from the chinese foreign ministry that china is concerned about something when you and i, and george may throw around the word concern, going to rather, you know,
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cavalier way. but when the chinese that they were concerned about something, it means they were really upset about something and worried that is completely out of the window. now that is gone. i mean, the speech that she gave was bomb bass dick. i mean, something that's what surprised me more than anything else, not any policy preferences or direction, just the rhetoric itself that was very much out of tune with what we traditionally gotten used to coming out of the chinese leadership. your thoughts? well, it's not only china, it's asia in general. i mean, the traditional west view that asia is the place for which the whole of the barriers should all be in that they can europe, look at the rhetoric, the sonnets over your collective security breach organization. you know, look at their rhetoric, assignments, or shot high cooperation organization. there is never something that you would hear an old in the summits. you know, that face country is a trap. you know, russia is
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a threat. china is a threat. you know, they are create and systemic challenges for our situation. you know that it's always very peaceful like the 1st thing that's yes, your members say when they right there is a really, is organization is not directed against any other country. and that's the major change, that's the last. when you're 30 years. and in general, i understand the sum of all of us may, may doubt. well. they said that the western congress, i know a lot more. i do apologize that china lake and i can confirm it by a very simple example. one of the features over in georgia is ation is what did you say of sports channels or is, is a political to right for that that, that inter in countries. so just, you know, an article problem that credit grew up by someone named con coughlin and bought a ukraine, making it to the finals for a current you,
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ukraine was very existence is all the cost of threat from its powerful russian neighbour. your greatest qualification for the quote, the final. so euro 2020 is a big 30 points. it demonstrates how sporting pro is going to be a po for, and you don't to, to re go behavior and vote. but i mean, out of the british, if we're under start of, you know, if the, so if you wrong the championship starting to say something like this shows, you know, then they're, they're advantages of communist. but to say it's about another country another you qualify for the quote, the finals. it's just too much. it's not the one for the 3rd and brand new, but also for mile. no one of them ever ever descended to such to be it was did. but it's, it's george, it's kind of an interesting story that i hadn't thought about bringing sports into it. but nonetheless, but here we are a but, you know, in looking is that she speech, it was much more the achievement of the chinese people as much as it is china,
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the chinese communist party. because it seems to me, you know, we don't use it in your everyday pounds, but you know, the way i would, the communist party is kind of the veneer of civilization. and i think this is very much how the chinese look at it. ok, because there is civilizational force and we have to remind our viewers that they look at it as returning to their proper place in the world. see in the west. they don't see it that way because there's the west is that he gemini, for the last 500 years, that is being tested right now. even challenge, go ahead. yes, yes, that's a very good point. but i think gee, is facing a problem and i think you realize of the problem, but it's been taken 50 years for china to emerge from the sort of terrible state it was then when nixon visited it in 1972 very impoverished, backward place. suddenly,
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if the number 2 economy in the world could well overtake the united states in the very near future. now, if you look through the world, you get to reach g realizes that the united states isn't going to just accept that lying down. i mean that's why that is a definitely a challenge for. busy disease, and you can see that there is a certain anxiety in his speech that you know, we are being threatened by the west and that's a serious issue because, you know, the united states as enjoyed. this standing since 945, the number one power in the world level of military power in the morning cannot make found. number one financial about it dominates all the global institutions. all that is being challenged by china in the way that the soviet union in the cold war ever able to and it could, we have, this is what we talk about. it could be that united states will just simply be
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overtaken by all the a o c's and black lives matter and just simply fade away. all the united states will somehow go in and die and military zation mode and try to deal with china. we don't know, but it's, it's a, it's a serious challenge now is an interesting point and i thought the also actually be kind of the chinese were kind of signaling where they thought was fair. again. ok, you cannot make the rivalry and competition fine. ok. even military, you know, you know, where we're going to draw our red lines because you payment, we always have your read why we have them to buy things like human rights and things like that. they're saying no, that is no point of discussion whatsoever. i mean, he didn't do it, but i'm very, i will be expect very soon that she will be quoting secretary said, link at his remarks in anchorage here, but it seemed like a much delineation. it's like game ok, go ahead. george. finish that for yeah,
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that's right. and i think the game is, but precisely in the areas that are important to china, which taiwan, hong kong gene james and there the united states is challenging it. i mean that's all part of. busy the problem, again, the cultural, informational and military war, the united states is waging in china and therefore, it is going to be a serious issue. what exactly does the states envisaged a ribbon on the part of the problem or we're going to take a short break break. we'll continue one session on some real estate. okay. ah, today, industry pieces to the median of euros in all the regulations. i will be all about making money. i think it's about big corporation,
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international markets. import export. do you imagine the number of per the diseases are in every family today? it's, you know, due to new viruses or new microbes. it's not true. so it is due to environment they're not going to take either the momentum command on much trouble with abilene . yes, thank you. let me come in today. they don't allow us. the food industry is successful for create more jobs. it will create more value added. it will create more so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest of the industry that we have regulation. we want the regulation of the industry and if we don't behave then yes penalty that's fine. ah ah, the
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who's ah, welcome back to chrome stuff, they're all things considered. peter little, this is the home edition remind you were discussing some real news. ah ok, just go back to here and moscow. you know, over the last 6 months of the bio administration, it's really quite remarkable in many ways is that, you know, we were buying was presented to us as the anti trump. but as time passes,
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it's quite remarkable the continuity and the contrast, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. donald trump famously said, well, it would be good to get along with russia. remember that? and now you have biden, you know, he's basically saying the same thing without using the same words. ok. and then we'll put that marker aside for a 2nd. and now the do i was going to say your vacuum should, but the departure from afghanistan and the same kind of push back. so the anti trump is feeling the same thing is what trump did. and of course, what i'm getting at is the inter agency consensus. the people want to be a, maintain their positions of power and call the shots here. so remarkably be anti trump is experiencing very much what the real trump did go explain some stuff, go ahead even when you are right. it's interesting. ministration of by them just
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includes the representatives of all their own business. you know, that we're behind the american foreign policy as the in the last 2530 years. you have that. you know, the fiber will be, you know, their id company is represented. you'll have the old abolish people who have the military industrial complex. they're all there and remarkably, i mean, a lot of people expected by them to be less forced to china. and suddenly it was by and, and, you know, forced the european nato allies to put their signature on. there is a notion of the last name was summit, which basically reclaims china threats. john had no way of doing that. you know, he wouldn't be opposed by america by all of us personally, demonized by barton, made it the same story with that. i'm it with you and i mean now
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a lot of people rush, i suspect them by the actually doing so. and by that stupid phrase about the killer, because otherwise, you know, the warm beer would not allow him to go to geneva. it just shows how much biden is a hostage. why your, what would you know by no, there's no support and why is this? later on in the night is criticized and brand new for entering the dentist said that now when you through each was a hostage to your what you know, he had to go there because you had to save his calmness threats. well, the same story with by them he, i think deep and he saw he's a centers, he's a pregnant, but he has to play by the rules over over ingredients. radical ideology. so she count, he just count, condemned the actual or the region destroy, which out of nothing, you know, create that very death situation. you know,
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the black sea. ok, i mean we get to georgia, take care. i like what i'm going to kinda re, jake, what demon just had to say, because i really liked it a lot. i don't, i don't, you know, joe biden is not an ideologue. okay. you may be locked in the secretary, not, not very bright on top of it, but he is hosted use a hostage to idea logs around him. ok. because if you know anything about him, i mean, he's basically, if you take away black lives matter and, and keep it all, if he's basically a liberal republican and he served that way all in the senate for half a century here. but that is it with my money, my point is yours. you can be someone like trump that had certain basic instincts and inclinations that were very rarely formulated clearly. and then you have joe joe biden, which is basic he's, he's basically getting passage. whoever has the power, because he saw what they did to trump. he doesn't want that to happen to him. okay . but nonetheless, it means he gives up his agenda. go ahead and george. yeah,
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it's a very interesting. there's no question. there is an intelligence military national security are up that is absolutely determined to sabotage any attempt. 1 to forge a rep rational with russia, i mean they did it in the case of trump, whenever trump made any moves in that direction, they came down very hard on trump and they were already dumb distance. geneva, we had this report the other day for the f, b i g, c, h q, and the n s a claiming russia is engaging in massive cyber bullying all over the world. even today we have another report in bloomberg about, you know, russia engaging in ransomware, attacks and corporations. this is going to be a daily drumbeat. now by the, you know, it's hard to know what exactly is going on. and you said, i think that when he blurted out, during his phase press conference about russia in a very tight spot with china that it's kimmy,
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they did buy china. i think that this goes, he's thinking that he's got to make sense for us to be brand russia because chinese, the big the big the from through is directly. so that's a form of kind of projection that rushes in a tight spot. i think it would say where and i and we, and this is what it is all self inflicted. we get into our selves. ok. and you and i have been talking about this for years and years and years and now it's, it's rate in their face real life. what have we done? and as you pointed out, report after report keeps the drum be going. it like, you know, there's only one here. okay. they can't really change gears and they can't change that they the, their destination. i mean, there's their stuff because of brushing gay because of trump and,
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and because of the media hysteria in respect to what the buying really wants to do, it's all pre determined and that's pretty pathetic. go ahead. the me, well, yes, it's re determined their desire very, all this like to me, crushing trying to quarrel? well, i mean, nixon and kissinger would use some, you know, as jude publications. they will, they invent some stories. here is just so blown away bars and says, i told poacher the china was a threat. you know, well, i mean who is going to believe it. so there was going in less and less elegant ways . i mean the story with the, again, with the bigger destroyer who would believe that, you know, somehow the papers about this operation just ended up at the bus stop, you know, garbage can, can you imagine gordon johnson just coming to the bus stop in the middle of the night and just duncan and all their so that journalist would find it. so they're working in normal, good ways and that's a bad sign. it shows that basically,
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we're dealing with a very irresponsible bureaucratic machine where people are just afraid of saying something positive about russia. but if you don't say anything positive that you can do, very unprofessional, you know, blinking laughter in china on the, on the merits. so democracy in anchorage or a body johnson sandwich, i just don't know how the secret papers ended up at the you know, the, these are very, you know, this is not the way the west used to operate. point in george. know, this is one of my people are just a we incompetent. i mean, but by the ball position right now, because otherwise to me there is simply incompetent. john. yeah, yeah. and it really goes back to the question. they can't make up their mind. who is the enemy, who is the united states, supposed to be direct its energies again?
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is it russia or china? so trump was say, was china. but basically the, the national security oper. i wasn't going to go along with it by the seems to be also thinking, well, we never got to think about china and the people he has some of the economics people who are working for him. also thing a chinese economic giant that we have to deal with that. but you have all of the blink kins and the middling bureaucracy that is still absolutely fixated on russia and clearly the europeans and bar johnson and use the barrel and everybody else. they all still, you know, in this mindset that is the enemy, but it's really interesting, georgia for 5 years. this is their red ticket. and so we're there, you know, there's a new president and, and he wants to change gears why everything was going so well for careers were made. ok. you know, advancements, you know, cable news the gigs and all of that. i mean the thing in an institutional way,
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i'm going to think collectively, extremely dishonest, but in any additional way, this has been a great me train for them and why should change ok? go ahead. well, i think that the india, they don't want to change anything. there is the inertia, and that's really dangerous because it's a bad inertia. i mean, and sorry, i mean, i'm not going to court here what mike on pale and one of the american sectors of state recent decided that will be that, that would be see in the, you know, some control in boys in the west would say all your sprague, hatred, it was that was pure hate that you know what michael said about the china was buick agent. but if we go to parallels with terry and is just reminds me of how not to join them any make up its mind who is going to attack 1st, western plutocrats or their jewish bolsheviks in russia. you know,
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and nazi germany have the balls and the, and they only had to listen to hitler because he was the ultimate authority who just decided in the same way. now you read the newspapers, you read the magazines like foreign policy foreign, fast. and there are big, weak saying own chinese, the main enemy, somebody like, like mcfall says no, no, no, no, china, russia. is there anything? and none of them can imagine a world where there are no any, was there a whole promises 3 diplomacy? they just can't imagine this will be already inside the war. these people george at such a brilliant point because we must have an answer me because we have to spend money on the military. you know, we have to keep this thing going. ok, it's very interesting is a top prosy versus democracy thing. it's not working. but you know, what it's doing is making countries choose their choosing
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a non ideological model or have a progressive, a neal liberal model, you know, and a lot of parts of people that we do. we like to watch that stuff on netflix, but we don't want it here. okay, go ahead. actually that whole idea of the, by the ministration we get ahold of democracy summit. all of that is going to do unite all kinds of forces around russia and china, even forces that are within the western side. because you can imagine people like, or hunger is, or by the hungry of victor or bi weekly. i'm kind of, you know, more in the russia, china, you know, i don't really like what the democracy summit is all about. and there are other forces within the west itself, but don't like this. so once you start making this going to be a logical struggle. you're just alienating warren, we, you know why? because it would be about when it be about maintaining a gemini, what it would be, as you know, it has never been about mark received. you know, this is,
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