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the me ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things considered a funeral about the communist party of china celebrated it's 100 anniversary last week. it made it clear will no longer tolerate being lectured by the west. is this a new red line also in the aftermath of the, by the summit? is it fair to say the washington inter agency consensus is winning again the
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to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george w l. a in budapest podcast, or the gaggle which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in moscow were joined by me. bob, she's a political analyst and editor in us, me, internet media project, or a gentleman, cross up rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to d. m a 1st here in, in moscow it was a lot of media coverage about diem, of the 100 enter birth 3, the birthday party of the communist party in china. and it was a mixed bag. what would one would expect? but what, what struck me very much about it for a communist party, it was not remarkably, an ideological in many ways. of course, there was lip service being paid to mark's leninism. but it was really much about the the physical real achievements of an organization known as communist party of
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china. and it wasn't necessarily because of socialism. it is because of the party. what were your thoughts? well, i share your impression and i would say that it was very important that the stress was on respect to history. i mean, at the moment when in canada, they just troy the monument for green victoria, because of something that happened after she left the office. because of these terrible adepts of that nature of population to each of was good story. i personally had no relation whatsoever in the epa when we can you know, excess us on be our movement in the united states. china is stress in respect to history and not only the clothing is period of history and also the preceded mark. this is very important and that makes china much less ideological state than i'm sorry, the united states and the european union member countries in their present condition
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. i mean the worst thing about the 30 day and is, is this destruction or history child? yes, your history, when you know your view characters from the 19th or even the 18th century and by 2 days ice. and in that sense, china now is a much less idea what you call state than most of the western states. georgia. wait, wait on that, because president she, when he was giving his speech on denman square, the symbolism was really quite obvious. he was what he appeared very much like, wow, i mean, in the car right there. but again, you know that there's that contrast. mean you've been, you have the symbolism, but the me, the cup of the, the words the and the ideas that he was trying to express was achievements. ok. and of course, obviously this was
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a cheer leading for the communist party with the expect no less. but nonetheless, it was more about the ban cod rays of the party than the caliber of their people. and the chinese features keep popping up. i mean, this is one of the things that you and i've talked about before socialism but chinese features. but i get my impression if it's a lot more chinese features, but it is socialism, which of course i think it's misunderstood in the west. go ahead. george know that's a very interesting issue because there was a stark contrast between the rhetoric, which was a celebration of the talking party, the party to body parts of his speech. read like something that you were to read, you know, in the soviet union, in the 900 off the guiding for the region relation of the nation is the responsibility of the party. you know, they cannot be any china without the pocket. but as you say is the media, logical content seems to be very nebulous,
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but they talk about socialism. but whenever there's no attempt to define what they mean by social socialism with chinese characteristic, there's also a very little by way of self criticism. and again, that's different from the soviet experience because i've go, yeah, i mean china is a great deal over the last year. what about before, and we have the great leap forward because we have china mile cultural revolution and only calamity. it's very interesting what they've done. i mean, the soviet, they kind of turn like a fall and they deem lifestyle and, but they kind of want to retain many of the beaches that fall in the creative and they got themselves into trouble doing that shopping in the fall. and it was very difficult, the chinese never really like, well the soviet bid with style. and i mean i was the beginning of risks between the
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2. but the birth is, i mean he is a chinese, somebody. if you say you look right now, they celebrate mild it. he's all the great heroes. wow. you know, lou, shout she, you know the things about joe in lie. so they want to retain, but continue is a little the complete your bus, the policies of mile and the founders of the revenue in when they were talking about them in their move towards capitalists, i think it was show pain. it said it doesn't, it doesn't matter. what the color of the, the cat is, as long as it catches mice. ok. and i think that that stands today, a demon. also a very important was this and looking at it, you know, women watching china's rise for our entire lifetime here. and i remember, you know, you would hear words from chinese foreign ministry that china is concerned about something when you and i. and george may throw around the word concerned in
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a rather cavalier way. but when the chinese that they were concerned about something, it means they were really upset about something and worried that is completely out of the window. now that is gone. i mean, the speech that she gave was bomb bass dick. i mean, something that's what surprised me more than anything or not any policy preferences or direction, just the rhetoric itself that was very much out of tune with what we traditionally gotten used to coming out of the chinese leadership. your thoughts? well, it's not only china, it's asia in general. i mean, the traditional west view that asia is the place for which the whole of the barrier should have been that they can europe look at the rhetoric, the sonnets, or what your collective security teach, organization, you know, look at their rhetoric, assignments, or shot high cooperation organizations, there is never something that you would hear an old in the to some it's, you know,
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that these country is a trap. you know, rush is a threat. try and is a threat. you know, they are creating systemic challenges for our us, asian. you know that it's always very peaceful like the 1st thing that's yes, you remember say when the writer is, is organization is not directed against any other country. and that's the amazing change. that's because in the last, when you're 30 years and then genuine, understand the sum of all of yours may, may doubt what they said that the western countries are no more. i do apologize that china lake and i can confirm it by a very simple example. one of the features over in georgia is ation is, what did you say of sports? or is, is a political to write for that. there is there in countries. so just, you know, an article problem that grew up by someone named coughlin about ukraine making it
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to the finals for a current you, ukraine was very existence is all the cost of threat from its powerful ration neighbor ukraine qualification for the what the final, so euro 2020 is a victory for democracy. it demonstrates how sporting pro is going to be a po for, and you don't to, to really go behavior and of both. but i mean, out of the british for under started, you know, if the, so if you wrong the championship starting to say something like this shows, you know, then they're, they're advantages of communist. but to say it's about another country, another you qualify for the quote, the finals, it's just too much. it's not for started or brand new, but also for mile. no one of them ever ever descended to such to be it was did. but it's, it's george, it's kind of an interesting story that i hadn't thought about bringing sports into it. but nonetheless, here we are a but in looking at the she speech,
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it was much more the achievement of the chinese people as much as it is china. the chinese communist party because it seems to me, you know, we don't use it in your everyday pounds. but, you know, the way i went with the communist party is kind of the veneer of civil as they can . and i think this is very much how the chinese look at it. ok, because there are civilizational force and we have to remind our viewers that they look at it as returning to their proper place in the world. see in the west. they don't see it that way because there's the west is that had gemini for the last 500 years, that is being tested right now. even challenge, go ahead. yes, yes, that's a very good point. but i think gee, is facing a problem and i think you realize of the problem is it's only taking 50 years for china to emerge from the sort of terrible state it was then when nixon visited it in 972 very impoverished, backward place,
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suddenly the number 2 economy in the world could well overtake the united states in the very near future. now, if the looks of the world to reach g realizes that the united states isn't going to just accept that lying down. i mean that's why that is a definitely a challenge for. busy jade, and you can see that there was a certain anxiety in his speech that you know, we are being threatened by the west. and that's a serious issue because, you know, the united states as enjoyed, this, the standing since 945, the number one power in the world level a military. and the one you can make found number one financial bout it dominates all the global institutions, all that is being challenged by china in the way that the soviet union in the cold war ever able to and it could,
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this is what we talk about. it could be that the united states will just simply be overtaken by all the a o c's and black lives matter and just simply fade away. all the united states will somehow go in and die and military zation mode and try to deal with china. we don't know, but it's, it's just a, it's a serious challenge now is an interesting point and i thought the also she's beach kind of the chinese were kind of signaling where they thought was fair game. ok. you can make the rivalry and competition buying ok. even military, you know, you know, where we're going to draw our red lines because you, we always have your read, like we have been to things like human rights and things like that. they're saying no, there is no point of discussion whatsoever. i mean, he didn't do it, but i'm very, i fully expect very soon that she will be quoting secretary said, link at his remarks in anchorage here, but it seems like a very much
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a delineation. it's like game ok, go ahead. george. finish that. yeah, that's right. and i think the game is, but precisely in the areas that are important to china, which taiwan, hong kong gene james and there the united states is challenging it. i mean that's all part of. busy the propaganda culture, informational and military. 2 war that the united states is waging china, and therefore it is going to be a serious issue. what exactly does the fight just h envisaged your ribbon on the part of the problem or we're going to take a short break break. we'll continue one session on some real estate. okay. ah, the ah,
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ah me. oh, when i was wrong. when old fool, joe, don't you? yes, to shave out the thing because after an engagement equals the trail, when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground. ah, today industries prefers millions of you know,
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the regulations will be all about making money. is a big corporation. international markets. export. do you imagine the number of the diseases that are in every family today? it's, you know, due to new viruses or new microbes, it's not true. so it is due to environment. they're not going to take either the momentum much hello. yes, accumulate got on the come in today. mostly they don't allow us. the food industry is successful. it will create more jobs, it will create more value added, it will create more. so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interests of the industry that we have regulation. we want the regulation as the industry. and if we don't have any specialty,
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that's fine. ah ah, welcome back to where all things are considered. peter, this is the home edition demand you were discussing some real news. ah, ah ok, just go back to here in moscow. you know, over the last 6 months of the buys administration, it's really quite remarkable in many ways is that, you know, we were buying was presented to us as the anti trump. but as time passes, it's quite remarkable the continuity and the contrast, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. donald trump famously said, well, be good to get along with russia. remember that? and now you have biden, you know, he's basically saying the same thing without using the same words. ok. and then
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we'll put that marker aside for a 2nd. and now the back you ation. but the departure from afghanistan and the same kind of push back. so the anti trump is feeling the same thing is what trump did. and of course what i'm getting at is the inter agency consensus. these people want to be a, maintain their positions of power and call the shots here. so remarkably, b, anti trump, is experiencing very much what the real trump did go, explain some stuff, go ahead even when you are right. it's interesting. ministration of by them just includes the representatives of all their own business. you know, that we're behind the american foreign policy in the last 25 years. you have that, you know, the cyber law be, you know, their id company is represented. you have the old
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a bomb of people who have the military industrial complex. they're all there. and remarkably, i mean, a lot of people expected by them to be less forced to china. and suddenly it was by and, and, you know, forced the european nato allies to, to put their signature on. there is a notion of the last name was summit, which basically reclaims china threats. john had no way of doing that. you know, he wouldn't be opposed by america by all of us personally, demonized by barton, made it the same story with the that's, i'm it with you. and i mean, now a lot of people, russia suspect the, by the actually to insult, by that stupid phrase about the killer. because otherwise, you know, the want, this will not allow him to go to geneva to show it just shows how much biden is a hostage drive your, what would you know, bottle, there's no,
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for an audition. why is us later on in the night just criticizing brand new for entering the dentist said that no need to each was a hostage to your which you know, he had to go there because you had to save his communist threats. well, the same story with by them he, i think deep and he saw he is a center of the brain interest. but he has to play by the rules over over increasingly radical ideology. so she can't, she just can't condemn the action or the rigid destroy which out of nothing you know, create that very death situation. you know the black sea. ok. i mean they did ga, take care. i like, i'm going to kinda re, jake what d images have to say because i really like it a lot. i don't, i don't go buying this. bought an idea log. okay. you may be locked in the secretary, not, not very bright on top of it, but he is hosted use a hostage to idea logs around him. ok. because if you know anything about him,
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i mean, he's basically, if you take away black lives matter and keep it all that he's basically a liberal republican and he served that way all in the senate for half a century here. but then you, it with my, my, my point is yours. you can be someone like trump that had certain basic instincts and inclinations that were very rarely formulated clearly. and then you have joe, joe biden, which is basic lee. he's, he's basically getting pandered, whoever has the, the power, because he saw what they did to trump. he doesn't want that to happen to him. okay . but nonetheless, it means he gives up his agenda. go ahead and george. yeah, it is very interesting. there is no question, there is an intelligence military national security are up that is absolutely determined to sabotage any attempt. 1 to ford your rep with russia? i mean they did it in the case of trump, whenever trump made any moves in that direction, they came down very hard on trump and they were all busy already done distance.
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geneva, we had this report the other day for f, b i g, c, h q, and the n s a claiming russia is engaging in massive cyber bullying all over the world even today. and we have another report in bloomberg about, you know, russia engaging in ransom where attacks and corporations this is going to be a daily drum be. now by then, you know, it's hard to know what exactly is going on. and you said, i think that when he blurted out during the space, press conference about what russia is in the very tight spot with china that it's cumulative by china. i think that this goes, she's thinking that it kinda makes sense for us to be brand russia because chinese, the big the big the from through is directly. so that's
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a form of kind of projection that rushes in a tight spot. i think it would say where and i and we, and this is, it's all self inflicted. we get into our selves. ok. and you and i have been talking about this for years and years and years. and now it's, it's rate in their face rely, what have we done? and as you pointed out, the report after part keeps the drum be going. it's like, you know, there's only one gear. okay. they can't really change gears and they can't change the their destination. i mean there's, there's stuff because of brushy gay because of trump and, and because of the media hysteria, irrespective what the biden really wants to do, it's all pre determined. and that's pretty pathetic. go ahead. well, yes, it's re determined and their desires have very all this like to me, crushing china quarrel? well, i mean, nixon and kissinger would use some, you know,
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as jude provocations. they will, they can band some stories. here is just so blown away bars and says, i told poacher been china was a threat. you know, well, i mean who's going to believe it so that what can in less and less elegant ways. i mean the story with the, again, with the biggest destroyer who believe that, you know, somehow the papers about this operation just ended up at the bus stop, you know, garbage can, can you imagine gordon johnson just coming to the bus stop a, in the middle of the night and just duncan is all there so that journalist would find it. so they're working in no medical ways and that's a bad sign. it shows that basically, you were dealing with a very responsible bureaucratic machine where people are just afraid of saying something positive about russia. but if you don't say anything positive that you can do, very unprofessional way, you know, brain can laughter in china on the, on the marriage. so democracy in anchorage or
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a body johnson sandwich. i just don't know how the secret papers ended up at the bus. you know, these are very, you know, this is not the way the west used to operate and that point in george, no, one of my people are just the, we didn't i mean much about the ball position right now because they would otherwise to me, there are simply incompetent, john? yeah, yeah. and it really goes back to this question. they can't make up their mind. who's the enemy? who is the united states supposed to be direct its energies again? is it russia or china? so trump will say that was china, but basically the, the national security opera wasn't going to go along with it, buys and seems to be also thinking, well, we've got to think about china and the people he has some of the economics people who are working for him also thing a chinese economic giant that we have to deal with that, but you have all of the,
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the, the blinking, and the middling bureaucracy that is still absolutely fixated on russia and clearly the europeans and bars johnson and use a barrel and everybody else. they all still, you know, in the mindset that is the enemy, but it's really interesting, georgia for 5 years is there read ticket. and so we're there, you know, there's a new president and, and he wants to change gears why everything was going so well for careers. were made ok, you know advancements, you know, cable news the gigs and all of that. i mean they, they in an institutional way, i'm going to think collectively extremely dishonest, but it's additional way this is been great. me trade for them and why should change ok? go ahead. well, i think that the india, they don't want to change anything. there is the inertia, and that's really dangerous because it's a bad inertia. i mean, and sorry, i mean,
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i'm not going to court here what mike on pill and what are the american sectors from state recent said to me that would be that that would be c in the, you know, some control in bodies in the west would say all your sprague hatred, it was that was pure hate that you know what michael said about the spite of china was pure hatred. but if a go to parallel with the military and isn't just you mind me, how not to join the minute make up its mind who is going to attack 1st, western plutocrats or their jewish bolsheviks in russia. you know, and nazi germany hate the bulls and the, and they only had to listen to hitler because he was the ultimate authority who just decided in the same way. now you read the newspapers, you read the magazines like foreign policy, foreign affairs. and there are big, weak saying, oh chinese, the main enemy, somebody like mcfall says no, no, no, no,
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china, russia. is there anything? and none of them can imagine a world where there are no any, was there a whole promises diplomacy? they just can't imagine. this won't be already inside the war. these people did that. george, it's such a brilliant point because we must have been after me because we have to spend money on the military. you know, we have to keep this thing going. ok, it's very interesting. is a top prosy versus democracy thing. it's not working. but you know what it's doing . it's making countries choose their choosing a non ideological model or have a progressive, a neal liberal model, you know, and a lot of parts of people that we do. we like to watch that stuff on netflix, but we don't want it here. okay, go ahead. sure. yes, exactly. that whole idea of the buyer and the ministration. we're going to hold the democracy summit. all of that is going to do unite all kinds of forces around
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russia and china, even forces that are within the western side. because you can imagine people like, or under is, or by the hungry of victor or by was kind of, you know, more in the russia, china, you know, i don't really like what the democracy some, it is all about. and there are other forces within the west itself, but don't like this. so once you start making this going to be a logical struggle, you're just alienating or, and you know why? because it would be about when it be about maintaining gemini, what it would be, you know, it has never been about mark received. you know, this is, this is just the veneer. they hide our gentlemen but all the time we have one a think my guess. and here in my, going to make our viewers for watching us here are next time. remember the ah,
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