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in the west bank by the 1st woman to hold a seat in the highest executive body in palestine talked to her on a shroud. we thank you so much for coming back on the show before we get on to, i mean, so far are know sci fi, this is been a watershed. some are saying, what are you hearing about the scale of suffering in the past few weeks from these? well, british american and you nation weapons launched last row. i'm sure you have hundreds of innocent civilians can have older women and children. family children actually have homes. they monist again, you'll have 14000 attention and really being destroyed. you have the interest of the roads, the water system, even to the point of getting to the electricity and song you have many clinics to start. so it's like this studying the economics as that, as benson and the human dimensions of guys guys i know and let alone talking
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about the west bank and through some of which you have scores have thousands injured. so that is an insurance and targeting that has been adult to the use of a cruel violence. and of course it's the innocent civilian. so i think that's right . and this is not the 1st time, this is really the true, highly richer of a cruel and accountable occupation that uses all of these weapons state of the art . so to speak, in order to target and destroy either a captive civilian population or a civilian population. and that can service testing. and they all claim that this is since defense. they've been and just show misleading. as the aerial bombardment continued in the past few days, what do you think through jo biden's mind appearing not to call explicitly for
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a sci fi and appearing to block the un security council resolution back way old members of the un security council proposed by the rotating president, china has the mind, the bench back to the 3 ramp and to the usual problem that we had from american administration as ministrations up is alive as they like between us and they found security is sacrosanct. so this is the old language now, and they, us, that is a new language and i think the mainstream, older generation that attracts or you know, doesn't have understood that we then public opinion that is a change and we can talk about that great direction if you want that he
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will not really be to stand up and to call things. my name is my thing of being a bit nice to him because of course he announced the selling of more weapons and bunker buster weapons like the ones we saw deployed in gaz or in the past few days . while pictures of dead children were emerging on social media because there's a, there's a tendency occurring pattern that palestinians of invisible are they are silenced, are they, i'd be humanized. and therefore the count has to act with impunity claiming self protection. and when it's victims, as totally removed from the equations, and this is something that has become a habit among mainstream administration members, presidents or otherwise in the us. now there's
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a challenge that the international community is asking questions. i'm not saying that they are own. you're not demanding that the u. s. undertaken responsibilities and stuff being completed because it's completed and this, this rolled on innocent lives. i'm john and palestine. my son's lead to the attendance for attendance and nothing. a statement from the security cancer, not a loosen, just a statement from the security council. he delayed meeting from the security council saying that we are engaged and signing them, diplomacy, what diplomacy? i mean that they sent us for the love of the civil servants. they've done dr. how much anyway, and they think that this is diplomacy. you have to address the issue is you have to go to the the one times and comes against your money
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that are being committed against, denies all of that. and it appears that the secret evidence that the united states gets is not permitted to come to the media or to the public. i mean, what, what do you, how do you rate tony blinking biden's, secretary of state. you said he hadn't seen the evidence that there was a need to destroy the associated press 0 in, in gaza. but now intelligent sources have briefed him. no, actually, that is not evidence. how can you see it then leave them by saying them as israel thinks that that is an offer for us in that building. and so they have to the story, a building that houses actually, officers, doctors, lawyers, and all of their media stations. they totally demolished and destroyed this whole building because they just that that is an office for how much. and that's even
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though that is no proof and actually how much money is everywhere because it's not military. all of it has, has, has information offices hands here. and this is, has always, has all sorts of things all over the place. you cannot go down loving and shunning . huge eyes when things because you have thing that may have had that office as good them been even services. so then they go to the things i'm a has anyway, but this is this ingenuous attachment, export this kind of stuff. again, this kind of spend, i don't think, i think she's lying on the idea. oh yes. you stop. no, no long. sharp to and then not lying, frankly, when they're not manufacturing an alternative reality to blame the victim and play that all of the victims is cortez dead if the united states and britain,
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which also firm the right of self defense of israel, is a quartet debt. if people like that are involved in the quarter at a quarter, it has been that on a long time. and actually the whole issue is not the only way to the story. reality is not only to justify bias, one time to get more palestinians and destroy him on homes. but this is also to prevent a smoke screen and on the to she is an investigation in batman by the international criminal court. because it's constantly i fast because massive destruction and then says we are in the state of events or we are in compliance with international law was which of course late implies and yet the saying this to prepare the case because i'm sure that these crimes against humanity
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and these one times will be investigated and they have to be you know, you've used to had this many times as thousands and thousands of palestinians having killed over the years. i learned how my officials it was who were also killed in the reason fighting with what is, where is my mood of us and do you think the palestinian authority will now understand that a one state solution is what the balance union people realize is the future the 2 state solution is dead. i think the 2 states and more about boss who has really a guest is not with international community with international law and bushy. you know, work and showing how peaceful a nice compet did we are. that agenda has been doing why is why israeli actions, because it does not comply with any of its obligation? well, many was destroyed by the surely was destroyed by fata and the palestinian authority
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as well. who kept seeking the 2 state solution, whilst all the settlements were making that that's exactly the point that is that it can just say we had in the middle of the dogs or we negotiate the mug, whatever. and at the same time, continue to see more learn more resources, build more settlements, which are crimes in accordance with the statute and continues to kill them on this . i'm getting out a company has the ethnic cleansing plan in jerusalem and attacking a lot of changing the elegy on the grounds. all these things thinking that it's ok we will negotiate later is not the case. that's why the undermine the county bond. and that the an o negotiation strategy has certainly been undermined and has certainly lost any kind of credibility by the palestinian public. and that's why as a whole was sent back, including the u. s. including up and so on. and once,
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while this drug, the 2 state solution, acted was outside the law and committed to them to spectrum. well, faster luck you enabled allow this to this guy that to show what is left. i don't think one state solution has become an agenda, but it does the outcome when you blow that divide green line. what is that it has succeeded to do now is to unite all palestinians everywhere, frankly. because this relentless assault, this honesty of discrimination, i guess punished indians. and they are not as they say, because they want to eradicate the identity of the palestine against the palestinians. and the west bank including jerusalem and guys in $48.00 village done, which became as an indefinite g comes along with that if you people coming out in
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force that you just finally on, on that force. because i have to ask one thing about how obviously the narrative here is the, the old recent war began with mass rockets. it was, it began with the ledge ethnic cleansing and shake gerad. but also that, that came just off of the human rights watch reports about apartheid. comparing israel to apologize, nelson mandela was unequivocally explicit about the about how white south africans civilians could be targets in military struggle. do you believe that no, and a and c style struggle is the cards against israel? i think you are beginning to see as of july saying we are not going to be the victims. we are not going to continue to accept this kind of artistic violence exercise against this. i'm not lifting finger. and because if you try to defend yourself, even though i'm to national law,
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allows you to defend your subs using only means including you are immediately labeled estimates. this is what this them, they being on palestinians labeling every monday and guys that's how much. and of course, how much my medical organization that what it's legitimate to get all of that and get anybody is implicated retirement. and you see that that logic direct lack of lots of so and then i think that that is a new dynamic. now that is a dynamic that says you cannot continue putting on the palestinians using blackmail shot and then asking us to accept this state of them or the smell. now things are changing, saying we will, we will not be better victims. that things that can and should be done. we are challenging with international community. we are not dish,
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we are not committing in our collective suicide. we are not going to send them the best interest to the international community to maintain its so called rooms based system. and to develop some backbone and, and to extend up and to provide, understand which direction talk. and i'll stop you there more from the former member of the past in, in the bridge and organization executive committee after this break. and why would joe biden secret coo and mexico, his alleged by president dam low. we speak to no m chomsky his daughter, professor of eva chomsky about what the class called washington bullets. all this more coming out to have going on the ground, the ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally,
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i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time time to sit down and talk with the i the welcome back. i'm still with the 1st woman to hold
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a seat in the highest executive body enveloped. and dr. shrier, we should just as will all the damage be repaired from these british american in the nation bombs. unfortunately, they will give us more wrongs and they will also time to come to the phone if you need. i guess it's understanding that it better take a long time. there were several, i saw some guys not less than 2014 can thousands of people and they were honest paul. so who is going to be and the building has not even been finished. so now they are going to have to renovate and sean on top of previous destruction, one layer after the other. in addition, of course, as we send infrastructure right there, the needs including medical needs sensors. and so i think i'd definitely ask people will rebuild. but the issue is not to allow is that to give
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this drawing and then the palestinians this is how do stuff is from this drawing. how do you, how to, how do you make your combination agreements with link them to israeli behavior, israeli human relations and use of these weapons? the e u has all sorts of stipulations on conditions. then up there agreements including that agreements with is that they have never implemented that on legislation, which is holding accountable the same thing with the us and the come to the us even gives them more and neighbors more. so i don't want to say lots of good, but it's betty we're listing equation has to stop because you cannot keep supplying the aggressor with reference. and you cannot keep saying like you're going to have to do. but how do you rebuild the lodge of families whose members have been
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restored now? do the lives of children? well, i've seen that better. i'm siblings. good. how many? college timing? these have been obliterated? 90 families where they can, the population registered and 2014. anything in this israel is defective weaponized corona virus. israel does say that it had to, you know, keep its own population 1st, but that all this bombing, the impact on sewage infrastructure, water may contribute to corona virus. marion centers. there was several, several buildings that do it. and, and at that time, due to the bombing, and of course they came to doctors including the they had doctor who's in charge of that going on by this campaign to end up to growing up. i did not, i mean as excess vaccine,
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but the fuse do give any or any room to particularly and gather the doctors when the clinics are the one concern about testing. and i was also the story completely. and then when, when you have a 100000 people, at least this place, where are they going? they're going to school is under a school. you have 3 or 4 or 5 families, rapid people in one room. and you don't know, you don't have to touch them. you don't know what's happening. they have no vaccines, you have no prediction. they have no medical services whatsoever. no. and then you have the others around 50000 went to under our schools, but others went to relative spends i'm john. so you have congestion among those buildings and homes that remain standing because people who are the people who are taking care of you protect all these papers about us is to become of them out. you
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cannot even keep track of how many people are confessed contacting the disease and how many this has become just minor, facing on the that's under section that there's raining on that my see, my and my land isn't as created a system of sheer wisdom is ation and every aspect, by its occupation, by it seems why it's violence is continuous with impunity using this m compounding then justice. so if you want to go to the root cause of vision to account stuff this occupational engage in the positive way to provide the palestinians with the section the acting to the latest violation of the latest tragedy that the palestinians have to know jana ro, ivank, you israel does, satan talks with the authority about vaccination distribution, but thank you very much. well, when our sales will briefly back to us,
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proxy dictate is in guatemala, it was israel that filled the gap in today. a local former coca cola bosses, you know, your ratings is ecuadorian president. a new book looked into powerful corporate elite and washington so called backyard. it links us crews in guatemala, on doris nicaragua, panama handle salvatore to jo biden's cage, children on the us mexico border. joining me now from salem in massachusetts is professor chomsky author of central america's forgotten history. revolution, violence and the roots of migration. thanks so much for coming back on the river. i should just say, you know, the mexican president under his man will lopez over to a said he had to complain to the by gratian because it gives him of promoting a coup ahead of the california prosecutor. a vice president to come out of iris meeting with him, some emblematic of, of his new book of us central america's forgotten history. clearly, one of the things that you see by looking at central america history is that the
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united states supports certain types of governments in central america. whether they were democratically elected or not, has absolutely 0 relevance. but if a central american government is willing to bow down to us economic demands, the united states will always support it. and if it isn't, the united states doesn't care whether it's democratically elected or not. but is very willing to overthrow it, as we've seen, over and over again at the present day. boris johnson's government jo buttons administration and tried to overthrow the government of venezuela. but there's a way that comes up again and again in the book of how the influence of a good job as administration goes of aid countering us efforts towards neoliberalism. just tell me about venezuela's role in central america. not so much right now, but certainly during the period when it's, well, i had a lot more money to, to offer. and it's offered latin american countries,
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a potential pass away from the meal liberal policies being imposed by the united states in the international financial institutions by offering low cost petroleum setting up trade relations, offering them a kind of an estate from the depth track that they had so long been caught in which makes that is the debt trap makes them completely subject to the united states and the international financial institutions in terms of what kinds of domestic economic policies they can impose. the united states to very clear demand for central america, its domestic economic policies be favorable to us corporations. and that generally means that the policies are going to be unfavorable to the poor of those countries . because the very policies that us corporations want are things like low wages, no taxes, no environmental regulations, no unions,
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police repression of any kind of protest. oh, and access to land that is military and police aid in this possessing peasants from their land so that us corporations can have access to them. that's precisely the opposite of the kinds of policies that would be beneficial to the poor majorities in central america. for millions of people around the world, they can, they can see one emblem maybe on their kitchen table of all of this. i don't know, maybe you should have had the front cover of the velvet underground 1st. call them on their bananas. well, i would say bananas and coffee historically bananas and coffee, starting in the 19th century has been the the primary exports of central america. although that's diversified, a bought now, and i would say that us consumers also will find central american products on mere bodies. so if people who are listening to this in the united states, if you look at the labels on your flows,
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probably every one of you is wearing an item of clothing that's going to say major hunter is made in the problem made in el salvador. obviously, you mentioned trade unions, the united states, excessive administration to deny any malign influence, of course, south of the rio grande. as for trade unions, the f l. c, i o unions. they don't come up very well in this new book and they're american institute for free, labeled labor development that they set up. and that alone, usaid how have, how, how is the united states in its intelligence, military industrial complex inserted itself in trade unionism. so i think there's been a real transformation over the course of the 1900 ninety's and up to the present day in the u. s. trade union movement, the certainly the post world war to us labor movement, official labor movement, the f l, and later f l. c i o. after 1955. really bought into the cold war or id, ology, of repressing and eliminating the left within the us trade union movement and
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supporting us foreign policy to eliminate the left in trade unions around the world . and that went right hand in hand with the policies towards latin america, towards central america, to try to promote what they called free trade unions. and that's why the a filter, the american institute for free labor development, was basically an anti communist push to try to de radicalize labor movements. and often with very high degrees of repression, including murder against trade, union activists, who saw the kinds of, of, of economic changes of reform, spit the united states. opposed. although in central america, when we have revolutions going on in nicaragua, salvador pharma and the united states is adamantly opposed to those revolutions, and a field plays an important role trying in trying to undermine those revolutions.
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however, i should also say that it's really, i think during those central american wars in the 1900 eighty's that we start seeing resistance from the low within the trade union movement against the leadership. the book has such a huge range. obviously, anyone who vote, supported for trump will say nafta was abolished under his administration, but just skipping over and he's trumpeted and over throw any countries directly like president obama appears to have done in on doris, do you think biden will go back to the old playbook of overthrowing countries in central america given he was vice president, when manuals was removed in under us and 29. i wouldn't say that the united states going directly over through phil. i am hunters, but it certainly supported the overthrow of life in honduras. i don't actually feel very big friends between the obama and trump administrations,
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or between democratic and republican administrations. in general, what we've seen from the, by an administration so far is an absolute commitment to the same kind of pro foreign investment economic model. and also to supporting the military and police in those countries on the pretext of trying to slow and stop migration. so there's sort of a humanitarian, the near to both of these that is biden like ever us, president claims that this is a model that's going to help eliminate poverty in central america. it's been followed for 500 years and it hasn't eliminated poverty yet. and the militarization is kind of covered up by trying to get us to focus on what they call the border crisis. so there is a crisis at the border but the border crisis is not going to be stopped by moving the repression into central america itself. professor viva chomsky. thank you.
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