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shoes and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l. a. in budapest, either podcast or the gaggle which can be found on youtube, grumble and locals. and here in moscow were joined by 3 bob. she's a political analyst and editor in us, me. internet media project or a gentleman cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to d. m a 1st here in, in moscow it was a lot of media coverage about diem, of the 100 enter birth 3, the birthday party of the communist party in china. and it was a mixed bag. what when one would expect. but what, what struck me very much about it for a communist party, it was not remarkably, an ideological in many ways. of course, there was lip service being paid to mark's leninism. but it was really much about the the physical real achievements of an organization known as the communist party of china. and it wasn't necessarily because of socialism. it is because of the party. what were your thoughts?
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well, i share your impression and i would say that it was very important that the stress was on respect to history. i mean, at the moment when in canada, they just troy the monument for green victoria, because of something that happened after she left the office. because of these terrible adepts of that nature population to each of was good story. i personally had no relation whatsoever in the epa when we can you know, excess s o b. our movement in the united states. china is stress in respect to history and not only the clothing is period of history and also the preceded mark. this is very important and that makes china much less ideological state than i'm sorry, the united states and the european union member countries in their present condition . i mean, the worst thing about 30 days is,
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is this destruction or history child? yes, your history a when you know your view characters from the 19th or even the 18th century and by today's ice. and in that sense, china now is a much less idea what you call state than most of the west, georgia. wait, wait on that, because president she, when he was giving his speech on denman square, the symbolism was really quite obvious. he was what he appeared very much like, wow, i mean, in the car right there. but again, you know that there's that contrast. mean you've been, you have the symbolism, but the me, the cup of the, the words the and the ideas that he was trying to express was achievement. ok. and of course obviously this was a cheer leading for the communist party. we expect no less, but nonetheless,
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it was more about the ban cod rays of the party than the caliber of their people. and the chinese feature is keep popping up. i mean, this is one of the things that you and i've talked about before socialism but chinese features, but i get my impression if it's a lot more chinese features, but it is socialism, which of course i think it's misunderstood in the west. go ahead. george know that's a very interesting issue because there was a stark contrast between the rhetoric, which was a celebration of the talking party, the party about the parts of his speech. read like something that you were to read, you know, in the soviet union, in the 900 off the guiding for the region relation of the nation is the responsibility of the party. you know, they cannot be any china without the market. but as you say is the, the logical concept seems to be very nebulous, but they talk about socialism. but whenever there's no attempt to define what they mean by social socialism with chinese characteristic, there's also
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a very little by way of self criticism. and again, that's different from the soviet experience because i've go, yeah, i mean china is a great deal over the last year. what about before we have the great leap forward because we have china mile cultural revolution and only calamity. it's very interesting what they've done. i mean, the soviet, they kind of been trying to gain fall and they deem lifestyle and, but they kind of wanted to retain many of the beaches that fall in the creative and they got themselves into trouble doing that, having shopping in the fall. and it was very difficult, the chinese never really like the soviet bid with style. and i mean i was the beginning of the rift between the 2. but the 1st is, i mean, is a chinese, somebody. if you say you look like, wow, they celebrate mild,
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these other great heroes. wow. you know, lou shout, she thinks about joe in lie. so they want to retain, but continue is a little, they're complete your bus, the policies of mile and the founders of the revenue in when they were talking about them in their move towards capitalists. i think it was show pain. it said it doesn't, it doesn't matter. what the color of the, the cat is, as long as it catches mice. ok. and i think that that stands today, a demon. also a very important was this and looking at it, you know, women watching china's rise for our entire lifetime here. and i remember, you know, you would hear words from a chinese foreign ministry that china is concerned about something when you and i. and george may throw around the word concerned in a rather cavalier way. but when the chinese were concerned about something,
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it means they were really upset about something. it worried that is completely out of the window. now that is gone. i mean, the speech that she gave was bomb bass dick. i mean, something that's what surprised me more than anything, i'm not any policy preferences or direction, just the rhetoric itself that was very much out of tune with what we traditionally gotten used to coming out of the chinese leadership. your thoughts? well, it's not only china, it's asia in general. i mean, the traditional western view that asia is the place for which the whole of the barrier should have been that they can europe look at the rhetoric at the sockets or what your collective security treat organization, you know, look at their rhetoric, assignments, or shot high cooperation organizations, there is never something that you would hear an old in the summits. you know, that face country is a trap. you know, rush is a threat. try and is
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a threat. you know, they are creating systemic challenges for our us, asian. you know that it's always very peaceful like the 1st thing that's yes, you remember say when the writer is, is organization is not directed against any other country. and that's the amazing change. that's because in the last, when you're 30 years and then genuine, understand the sum of all of yours may, may doubt what they said, that the western congress. i know what more, i do apologize that china lake and i can confirm it by a very simple example. one of the features over in georgia is ation is what did you say of sports, or is, is a political to write for the director in countries. so just, you know, an article problem that really grew up by someone named on coughlin and bought a ukraine, making it to the finals for a current you, ukraine was very existence is all the cost of threat from its powerful russian
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neighbor ukraine qualification for the what the final, so euro 2020 is a victory for democracy. it demonstrates how sporting pro is going to be a po for, and you don't to, to really go behavior and a boat. well, i mean out of the bridge for under started, you know, if the so if you want the championship starting to say something like this shows you know, then their, their advantages of communist. but to say about another country another you qualify for the quote, the finals, it's just too much. it's not for started or brand new, but also for mile. no one of them ever ever descended to such to be it was did. but it's, it's george, it's kind of an interesting story that i hadn't thought about bringing sports into it. but nonetheless, here we are a but, you know, in looking is that she speech, it was much more the achievement of the chinese people as much as it is china,
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the chinese communist party. because it seems to me, you know, we don't use it in your everyday parlance. but, you know, the way i went by the communist party is kind of the veneer of civil as they can. and i think this is very much how the chinese look at it. ok, because there are civilizational force and we have to remind our viewers that they look at it as returning to their proper place in the world. see in the west. they don't see it that way because there's the west is that he gemini, for the last 500 years, that is being tested right now. even challenge, go ahead. yes, yes, that's a very good point. but i think gee, is facing a problem and i think you realize of the problem, but it's only taking 50 years for china to emerge from the sort of terrible state it was then when nixon visited it in 1972 very impoverished, backward place. suddenly, if the number 2 economy in the world could well overtake the united states in the
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very near future. now, if the looks of the world you could reach g realizes that the united states isn't going to just accept that lying down. i mean that's why that is a definitely a challenge for. busy jade, and you can see that there was a certain anxiety in his speech that you know, we are being threatened by the west. and that's a serious issue because, you know, the united states as enjoyed, this standing since 945, the number one power in the world level a military and the one you cannot make found. number one financial bout, it dominates all the global institutions. all that is being challenged by china in the way that the soviet union in the cold war ever able to and it could, we have, this is what we talk about. it could be that united states will just simply be overtaken by all the
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a o c's and black lives matter and just simply fade away. all the united states will somehow go in and die and military zation mode and try to deal with china. we don't know, but it's, it's just a, it's a serious challenge now is an interesting point and i thought the also she's beach kind of the chinese were kind of signaling where they thought was fair game. ok. you can make the rivalry and competition buying ok. even military, you know, you know, where we're going to draw our red lines because you payments, we always have your read, like we have to do things like human rights and things like that. they're saying no, there is no point of discussion whatsoever. i mean, he didn't do it, but i'm very, i will be expect very soon that she will be quoting secretary said, link at his remarks in anchorage here, but it seemed like a much delineation. it's like game ok, go ahead. george. finish that. yeah,
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that's right. and i think the game on is but precisely in the areas that are important to china, which taiwan, hong kong gene james and there the united states is challenging it. i mean that's all part of. busy the propaganda culture, informational and military. 2 war the united states is wage china, and therefore it is going to be a serious issue. what exactly does the fight just h envisaged your ribbon on the part of the problem or we're going to take a short break break. we'll continue one session on real estate over the the, the news.
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ah, today, industry prefers to spend millions of, you know, be today, regulations. business is all about making money. it's about big corporation, international markets, import export. do you imagine the number of the diseases are in every family today? it is new due to new viruses or new microbes. it's not true. so it is due to environment. they're not going to say either the momentum much lee. thank you. let me come in today mostly don't allow us. the food industry is successful for create more jobs. it will create more value added. it will create more. so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest
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something into that we have regulation, we want regulation as the industry and if we don't have any specialty, that's fine. ah ah ah me welcome back. are all things are considered? i'm peter little. this is the home addition demand you were discussing some real
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news. ah okay, just go back to here in moscow. you know, over the last 6 months of the buyer and ministration. it's really quite remarkable in many ways is that, you know, we were buying was presented to us as the anti trump. but as time passes, it's quite remarkable the continuity and the contrast, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. donald trump famously said, well, it would be good to get along with russia. remember that and, and now you have biden, you know, he's basically saying the same thing without using the same words. ok. and then we'll put that marker aside for a 2nd. and now the, i was going to say your vacuum should, but the departure from afghanistan and the same kind of push back. so the
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anti trump is feeling the same thing is what trump did. and of course, what i'm getting at is the inter agency consensus. these people want to be a, maintain their positions of power and call the shots here. so remarkably, the anti trump is experiencing very much what the real trump did go, explain some stuff, go ahead. when you are right. it's interesting. the ministration of by them just includes the representatives of all their own business. you know that we're behind the american foreign policy and see in the last 2530 years you have that you know, the cyber or be, you know, the company has been presented. you'll have the old, a bomb and people who have the military industrial complex. they're all there. and remarkably, i mean, a lot of people expected, bite them to be less hostile to china. and suddenly it was by and, and, you know,
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forced the european nato allies to, to put their signature on. there is a notion of the last name was smith, which basically reclaims china threat drug had no way of doing that. you know, he wouldn't be opposed by america by all of us personally, demonized by barton, made it the same story with that. i'm it with you. and i mean now a lot of people rush, i suspect them by the actually doing so. and by that stupid phrase of all the killer, because otherwise, you know, the warm beer would not allow him to go to geneva. it just shows how much biden is hostage drive your, what would you know by no, there's no support in the advisors. later on in the night just criticize and brand new for entry. and again, just said that now when you do each was a hostage to your what you know, he had to go there because you had to save his communist threats. well,
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the same story with, by them he, i think deep and he saw he's a sense of the brain interest. but he has to play by the rules over over increasingly radical ideology. so she can't, she just can't condemn the action or the bridges destroy which out of nothing you know, create that very death situation in the black sea. ok, i mean we get to georgia, take care. i like what i'm going to kinda re, jake, what demon just had to say, because i really liked it a lot. i don't, i don't, you know, joe biden is bought an idea log. okay. you may be locked in a secretary, not, not very bright on top of it, but he is hosted use a hostage to idea logs around him. ok. because if you know anything about him, i mean, he's basically, if you take away black lives matter and, and keep it all. but he's basically a liberal republican and he served that way all in the senate for half a century here. but then in my mind, my point is yours,
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you can be someone like trump that had certain basic instincts and inclinations that were very rarely formulated clearly. and then you have joe joe biden, which is basically, he's, he's basically going to pander whoever has the, the power, because he saw what they did to trump. he doesn't want that to happen to him. okay . but nonetheless, it means he gives up his agenda. go ahead and george. yeah, it is very interesting. there is, there is no question. there is an intelligence military. national security are up that is absolutely determined to sabotage any attempt. 1 to forge a rep, rushman with russia, i mean they did it in the case of trump, whenever trump made any moves in that direction, they came down very hard on trump and they were all busy already done distance. geneva, we had this report the other day for the f b i g c, h q, and the n s a claiming russia is engaging in massive cyber bullying all over the world. even today we have another report in bloomberg about, you know,
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russia engaging in ransom where tax the corporations. this is going to be a daily drumbeat. now, by the, you know, it's hard to know what exactly is going on in you said, i think that when he blurted out during his space, press conference about where russia is in a very tight spot with china that it's intimidated by china. i think that disclose his thinking that he's going to make sense for us to be brand russia because chinese, the big the big from through is the place. so that's why it was a form of kind of projection that rushes in a tight spot. i think it would say where it, but i and we, and this is what it is all self inflicted. we did it for so. okay, and you and i have been talking about this for years and years and years and now
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it's, it's straight in their face real life. what have we done? and as you pointed out, the report after report keeps the drum be going. it's like, you know, you know, there's only one here. okay. they can't really change gears and they can't change the their destination. i mean, there's their stuff because of brushing gay because of trump and because of the media hysteria in respect of what the buying really wants to do, it's almost pre determined and that's pretty pathetic. go ahead. well, yes, it's re determined and their desires have all this like to me, crushing trying to quarrel? well, i mean, nixon and kissinger would use some, you know, as jude provocations. they will dig in band some stories. here is just so blown away bars and says, i told butcher in china it was a threat. you know, well, i mean, who is going to believe it? so there was going in less and less elegant ways. i mean the story with the, again,
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with the bigger destroyer, whole believe that, you know, somehow the papers about this operation just ended up at the bus stop, you know, garbage can, can you imagine gordon johnson just coming to the bus stop in the middle of the night and just duncan and all that, so that journalist would find it. so they're working in no management ways and that's a bad sign. it shows that basically we're dealing with a very responsible bureaucratic machine where people are just afraid of saying something positive about russia. but if you don't say anything positive that you can do, very unprofessional wake, you know, blinking laughter in china on their, on the merits. so democracy in anchorage or abortive johnson saying that's, i just don't know how the secret papers ended up at the bus. you know, these are very, you know, this is not the way the west used to a very good point in george. no,
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this is what am i gonna be just waiting competent? i mean, i like about the ball position right now, because otherwise, to me, there's simply incompetent. yeah. and it really goes back to this question. they can't make up their mind. who's the enemy, who is the united states supposed to be direct, its energies against it. russia or china, so trump will say that was china, but basically the, the national security oper, i wasn't going to go along with it buys and seems to be also thinking, well, i got to think about china and the people he has some of the economics people who are working for him, also thing a chinese economic giant that we have to deal with that. but you have all of the, the, the blinking, and the middling bureaucracy that is still absolutely fixated on russia and clearly the europeans and bar johnson and use the barrel and everybody else. they
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all still, you know, in the mindset the enemy, but it's really interesting, georgia for 5 years. this is their red ticket. and so we're there, you know, there's a new president and, and he wants to change gear why everything was going so well. careers were made. ok, you know advancements, you know, cable news the gigs and all of that. i mean the thing in an institutional way, i'm going to collectively extremely dishonest, but i'm in additional way. this is a great me trade for them. and why should change ok, go ahead. well, i think that the india, they don't want to change anything. there is the inertia, and that's really dangerous because it's a bad inertia. i mean, and sorry, i mean, i'm not going to court here what mike on pill and want to are the american secretary of state recent said to me that would be, that would be c in the, you know, some control in boys in the west would say all your sprague hatred,
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it was that was pure hate that you know what michael said about the china was pure agent. but if we go to parallels with the military and isn't just reminds me of how not to join them and make up its mind who is going to attack 1st, western plutocrats or their jewish bolsheviks in russia. you know, and nazi germany have the balls and the, and they only had to listen to hitler because he was the ultimate authority decided in the same way. now you read the newspapers, you read the magazines like foreign policy foreign fast. and there are big, weak saying own chinese, the main enemy, somebody like mcfall says no, no, no, no, china, russia, is there any? and none of them can imagine a world where there are no any, this whole promises 3 diplomacy, they just can't imagine. this won't be already inside the war,
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these people george at such a brilliant point because we must have an answer me because we have to spend money on the military. you know, we have to keep this thing going. okay. it's very interesting is a top prosy versus democracy thing. it's not working. but you know what it's doing is making countries choose their choosing a non ideological model or have a progressive, a neal liberal model. you know, a lot of parts of people that we do. we like to watch that stuff on netflix, but we don't want it here. okay, go ahead. yes, exactly. that whole idea of the, by the ministration, we're going to hold a democracy summit. all of that is going to do unite all kinds of forces around russia and china, even forces that are within the western side. because you can imagine people like, or hunger is, or the hungry of victor or bi weekly, kind of, you know, more in the russia, china, you know,
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i don't really like what the democracy summit is all about. and there are other forces within the west itself. but don't like this. so once you start making this going to be a logical struggle, you're just alienating warren, we, you know, why? because it would be about when it be about maintaining had gemini, what it would be, as you know, it has never been about block receive. you know, this is, this is just the veneer. they hide our gentlemen, but all the time we want to get them here and i want to make our viewers were watching us next time. remember the ah the
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me to don't to leave you this notion over 20 new she will tell when she gets home later to love. ah. she knew she wouldn't be a little girl, but i was a nice to meet the show you control the traditional moving where she's a sheet really if you see the one doing the best for me was she said for me to in the last with metro. okay. sure, yeah,
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