tv Cross Talk RT June 22, 2021 8:30pm-9:01pm EDT
because as i've said on this show in other shows for over a year, now narcissism and big point don't mix ah, with me. hello and welcome to cross top where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. we're witnessing a very disturbing media trend, serving an ideology and scoring political points trumps informing citizens. we had the rush gate hoax, the impeachment hoax, and the suppression of any debate on the origin of colbert, now front and center is the capitol hill riot. what does the f b i know in the
cross talking the medium joined by my guess, dave lind, aarp in philadelphia. he's an investigative journalist, founder of the new site. this can't be happening dot net in detroit. we have steve gerber. he is a syndicated national radio talk show host and social media influences and in plymouth we cross the patrick kennings and he's the editor and founder of the 21st century wired dot com. all right, gentlemen, cross stock rules and effects. that means you can jump in anytime you want. let me go to patrick, 1st thing in plymouth here. i mentioned in my introduction here, you know, the, the rush gate hoax, you know, the, the 2 fake impeachment processes. the whole issue of what you can say about cobit and its origins. i mean, a couple weeks ago was very different story. ok, and now there are reports about what level if any, i want to be very clear here. i'm not making any claim here. involvement of the f b i in the events, the tragic events i have to say of january 600. what do you make of this?
it seems to be a trend all in one direction here. go ahead. well, i think let's focus on on january 6th. i mean, just a prep is that everything is become political in the united states in terms of the media, political conversations. and so everything's gotta political narrative attached to it. and so it's, it depends how much political capital can you squeeze out of any particular story line or a particular event. and so it regards to the f b i involvement. i think this is a really important place to start for january 6, because normally the media can have a polarized conversation in politics when it's the right or the versus the left, or vice versa. when you add a 3rd actor in there, in this case, federal agency, or an agent per box tour, then you're not talking about an organic event. you're talking about a grass roots event. and so a lot of people suspected this from the beginning,
including us. ok, and we talked about it when, when it happened to pipe bombs, mysteriously appeared around the sort of protest areas. and then the media went completely hush on that. and so that, that's a standard ammo for the f b i with regards to bucket towing. i mean, they have people in every single activist group this started under j edgar hoover. it's nothing new in terms of the right wing patriot conspiracy in city. pat khan, who taught militia, they had got to inform it's at bundy ranch. literally every single events, the fed, federal agencies have informants or people involved and on the left wing as well. so for january 6th day, why they had why they're allowed to have a major event backed up to the capitol. while there was a legislative session in place, that was a trap. but there's no guarantee that the people who are showing up to that event, actual protested spring that trap. so normally the f b,
i will have an agent for bucket work to ensure that the trap is should never been patrick headed up again. let me, let me go to dave here in philadelphia, there was this, you know, a big discussion heated discussion about having a january 6 investigation. and i'm all for it. i want to know what happened here, but it seems that can only we can only find out what happened to a certain prism. and it's a control. can a very controlled burn of what we learn because from what i understand, there's 14000 hours of videotape of what happened on that day. and we've only seen tiny fragments of it here. i mean, there's nothing wrong with a what the, what in the world happened here, but it's going to be a controlled burn of what we learn because i think they are political motivations behind it. go ahead, dave. well, i look at this as somebody who's outside the mainstream media, where i've been since 1979 and leaving mainstream media. and as somebody who spent
a lot of time in the anti war movement in the sixties and seventies the f. b, i is in the everything, there's not a organization political organization, oppositional right or left in the united states that isn't infiltrated by the f b i and other intelligence agencies, defense intelligence agency and others are for voc at yours, their context that they have, you know, groomed to be to be their eyes and yours inside the organizations. and the fact that there are, there are leads to all kinds of series. you can come up with whether they are the leaders, which sometimes turns out to be true as the case of like this guy in the proud voice. it was an informal for the f, b i. so what you can make, that is another story, you know, the,
the groups are composed to people who are independent agencies acting on their own to. so i think it's way too early to say this is all a plot of the f b. i doubt it. remember the head of the f, b i was in a point the drop administration is still is so you know, there's a lot of issues that need to be looked at. the problem is that the media that's looking. yeah, exactly. is, is like positional to administration and supportive of the, by the ministration by and large, you know, that leaves out the ones that were supportive of the truck like fox and the new york post. so it really what american people are to do is to look at their news organizations, the way people in europe go and say, oh, that's the that's, you know, the, the left wing newspaper, that's the center left. that's the right. we newspaper us. you can do it branch or some pension. anyone and, and make judgments accordingly. well, you know, steve,
what i find really interesting. i mean, this whole thing started when tucker carlson reported on something that came out of revolver about questioning or simply asking what the f b, i's involvement was. and then the reaction on seeing in an m s and b c. i mean, they just went ballistic and you know, i didn't, they could go ballistic anymore. i mean that's, it seems to be their, their natural mode of existence here. but i mean, you know, i will stand by and i mean i've known patrick for a very long time. i mean, i'm just interested in the facts here. and then we can draw some conclusions. it with coded, if it's, which are a fixed. but i mean, if the median narrative is being controlled of what we can, how we can frame it, i don't need anyone to frame anything. for me, i want to understand what i mean. all this happened on january 6, and what's the result? give the police more money. well, i mean, what are they talking about? go ahead. a stephen, detroit, you know,
i don't know what the of the eyes involvement is. it was a great explanation of going back to the sixty's as well. i appreciate all that. it's a great history lesson, but just consider this, if you will, i don't know what the f b i's involvement is. and the reason i don't know is because the media generally in america is lazy. they have the lowest hanging fruit, they just take whatever they can put up there to get cliques. because we went from being shoe leather reporters. it was a blue collar job to hey, i want to be a celebrity to hang out the cool parties. and i don't want to offend anybody at the cool party because i want to get by the next year. but consider this, if you will. we're talking about the most highly defended city in the world and the most highly defended buildings in that city in the world. somehow a guy and a buffalo hat leads in a few 100 people. it goes wandering around the hallways. really, this just happened because security, they decided not to enforce a bad day. washington d. c is the most highly defended military target in the world. it's targeted by russia, by china, by iran, by cube the list goes on,
the nation's capital. the white house are the most highly defended buildings in this highly defended city. and again, here's a guy with his face painted blue wearing a buffalo hat walking around as he watch with no push back, no security. doesn't that seem a bit odd to everyone? i mean, how can you think this would happen? how would that possibly happen? because they weren't prepared, come on, they're prepared every single day, 365 days a year. and yet somehow this just happens spontaneously. they knew it was coming, they saw it on social media. we have cameras and microphones, and big brother is bigger and stronger today than he has ever been. and they missed it. i don't buy it. well, that's why we're doing this program said i don't buy it either. i mean, i, i understand that made they had different training and whatnot. i mean, some of the footage i've seen it, it seemed very amicable. ok. i mean, even some of the protesters saying, hey, hey,
we're where we're just going to march here. don't break anything. i'm paraphrasing, here, from what little i have seen, because the public has been given very little. but these people are, and in solitary confinement, i mean, it looks from what i've seen patrick. it looked like loitering more than anything else in these paper. i mean, they're talking about sedition treason. i mean, and faith is absolutely right. i mean, how this is the most prepared city in the world for any kind of ventu ality goodness, no, it's been, it's been a countless billions of dollars to make sure right. it would never happen. go ahead, patrick. much of what you see in the united states generally. ok surrounding any major of the sensational political bands or even terrorist attacks, a lot of it, by the time the media does its thing. and by the time the political machine does its thing, it's a big production. ok. and so this is no exception and this one was absolutely made to order. listen to what the d. c,
capital police were saying. what nancy pelosi office was saying there was clearly clearly as for the mayor of d. c. clearly there was a stand down order or a series of stand down orders that was allowed to happen. and so there was calling an insurrection, woods, and has anybody been charged with arms? any protest has been charged with the legal possession of weapons or anything like that to my knowledge? none. so you can't have an insurrection without anybody charged with a firearm or something like that. so if it's just a bunch of posters and rabble rousers and various other provocative tours that are least addition. ok, so, but there is absolutely political, christopher res, no friend of the trumpet of donald trump and the f b i. they said pfizer once they ran a whole investigation based on nothing. the more investigation, the molar pro they ran and russia gate narrative for 4 years. they have also sort of bakery regarding crowd strike in the dmc lakes. i mean,
the list goes on and on. so there are people within these agencies. they go and do anything. there is no limits anymore in terms of the size, ation of federal agencies. to me that's a frightening thing. there might have been limits before they weren't so braves and a lot of stuff was done as david said, you know, a lot of that under the radar before. but now it's just so bumped the bombast, patrick, on top of it, they get complete media protection. ok. i get them and i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion. the media and january 16 with our key. ah, ah, ah.
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ah. okay, let's go back to dave in philadelphia. i really want to reiterate to my guess here, and our viewers here. i don't want to make any political bones about any of this until we found out, find out what actually happened. i want to find out 1st and then see who's, who's culpable, who benefited from it? and i want to do that. second, the media is doing it 1st. ok. they're trying to frame everything to make us think in a certain direction as they've been doing for years and years right now. so do something really simple. ashley babbitt, what happened to her? why is it so hard for the public to find out what happened to that poor woman? i mean, we know that she wasn't armed. we've seen some, i think still pictures of her standing. it look like they were officers of the law behind her. so i mean someone shooting her with offices law behind her. i mean in a very chaotic situation. why can't the public find out? who did it?
maybe it was just an accident. ok. but i mean that families never get a closure and people believing this as being used as political fodder are never going to be satisfied until we get some very simple things out in the open. go ahead. dave, in philadelphia, i think that what people need to realize is that the capital police are a kind of unique police force. my experience with the capital police as a journalist and also as a protester, is that they have us you know, they have a role to protect the members of congress and they have had shootings in congress. they've had people drive up in the cars in a threatening way, and they're perfectly capable of blowing someone away like that poor woman who got confused and drove into the front of the capital area and was shot to death with the child in the car and crashed and died so they're perfectly capable of
doing that. but on the other hand, they try to be much more polite and cautious and careful and welcoming than most police i've ever had dealings with or watched inaction. so, you know, when you, when people go in and protest, they don't beat them up the way most tops do. they usher them out carefully, maybe issue them citations and take them to prison to be booked. but then they let them go. and it's all done very gently, they don't lock your hands behind your back, throw you on the ground and everything like that. that's not how they're trained to treat the public. so i think they were somewhat confused because when people came in and you saw was images of cops being beaten up and, you know, hit with flag poles and stabbed with sticks and punched in the face. if you did that with a regular top, you'd be dead on the ground that's doing police work in the united states. capital police don't work that way and i think they were caught off guard because their
training had been doing one thing. and there were different people in that group, there were people who were basically walking in and you know, maybe be facing things and stealing and stuff, which is, you know, pretty serious, but not violent. and then there were people who were there to, to be confrontational, proud boys, 1st and so on. who there were people with guns, there were people, you know, that is a serious issue and how they reacted was, it's very strange to, to my view. and i think that most people looking like, how could they have been allowed in good question because there were lots of warnings that people were coming to disrupt and be violent. well, i mean, if i go to steve here, i mean, you know, the social media platforms are, you know, on the hunter for anyone that was involved in it. but those same platforms was
a conduit for people to congregate. i mean a, i really extraordinary. they want to turn around and use their vast resources to go after people when they knew this was going on all along. bad, good actors in bad. ok. so i mean see with such confusion about where we are and i suppose the, the, the, the d o g day, which i need so much more time to get this case together. but i look at the timing of it all here. i mean, this is going to be a political cudgel. this is what they're aiming to do and this is what the media has been framing it as it's not just against these right rioters and loiterers. and people that just gotten mixed up with this thing here. they're making a political statement that anyone there was associated with. the riders are, are all equally guilty and that obviously means a lot of trump voters. how do you feel about that? go ahead, steve. that is absolutely the narrative, peter, exactly right about that. what they are trying to create with the january 6 investigation, if you will, and i don't mind an investigation or i don't need it,
but we're honest. i don't trust it. to be honest, i want to go back to what chuck schumer said on the 7th of january, a, 2017 about donald trump. when you go after the entire community, they go out to you 6 ways to sunday. it seems they did that for 4 years while he was present, playing dirty pool behind the curtain. but when you look at this and you look at how it all comes together, listen, that's the narrative they want. they want to paint donald trump is a guy wearing a white point he had as if he is a grand wizard of the 2 o'clock plan. and anybody, the follow him are members of the plan. they are racist. they are white supremacy. they are all of these things and look at how this works. i want to go back to what i said earlier, being a reporter, excuse me, used to be a blue collar craft. it was a trade, it was shoe leather, it was run it down. you're a newspaper reporter, you're a hard working guy. you're just looking for the truth. and somewhere between 1950. and today it totally changed because the people that are in congress and a lot of these jobs. what are the same colleges and universities the same
sororities? the same for tourneys? they became buddies when the people had cnn and m. s n b c. and they're all on the same team and they go to the same cocktail party. how some of them are married to each other. we know that. so they're all literally sleeping together, but they're doing it figuratively as well because the handmaidens in the media are delivering the narrative for the democrat party. they've been doing it for 25 years, maybe longer. and as a result of that, the message becomes fairly consistent across sienna m. s m, b, c. all of these leading outlets are consistent with the messages coming out of the democrat party. in fact, they become one in the same. and then you add in march sector berg, who spent $300000000.00 to involve himself in the elections of 2020. going so far, some of the social media platforms like twitter to silence the new york post. i'm 100 biden. who, by the way, i'd like to know why 100 buying selling crappy paintings for $500000.00 a for a national. nobody will ask the question except us right here today. apparently.
yeah, i'm sure those are really valuable. think yeah. come right there. griffith never ends in it's in broad daylight yard. near patrick, it's the professional manner. jerry, a class. that's exactly what steve just a portrayed right there because there is no difference between these people in power and the media. i mean, they're just p r for these people here. ok? and you know what i mean is that the rush gate hoax continue, it goes on and on and on. and it just takes on different forms. i mean, they found a formula that is a pay day. it's a gift that never stop giving. and, and i truly worry about what does these future trials have for us here because it's, it's good. it's just going to be this huge web. i mean, the nonsense that we heard about russia get, i think it's going to be small potatoes because this one here that they're going to have this broad net dragnet all the way across the country in social media. i mean,
says good to be a trial of unprecedented attention giving to be about the way they're going to cover it. ok, it's going to be, i just have to wonder if they're going to put all of these hundreds of people in a stadium and put them on trial at the same time. i wouldn't be surprised if they did that. go ahead. patrick. everything you just said about 100 by the can't possibly be true because 50 members are the us intelligence community said that this is a guess that is absolutely spot on the new york times the washington post leaks are going directly through these media outlets and then they get amplified by cnn and miss nbc and the other major broadcasters. okay . so the new york times absolutely has been trading propaganda misinformation on behalf of the f. b. i, the pentagon,
cia washed and post does the same thing on a regular basis. and during the trunk administration is kind of process became weaponized from the beginning of trumps term. i mean everything was just, it was like everything was ending up in all these papers. it was like a daily fake news story that had to do with russia or trump, or something like this. so the state of the mainstream media is so toxic. and these, these are some of the most speaker, cnn, the most immoral people you could possibly imagine in that network reporting. i mean, the caliber of it is just shocking, but this has been given so much credibility by the sort of general consensus in america. patrick, let me, let me jump in here but you know, but it doesn't make a logical sense to you. i mean, they fail upward. ok, they got everything wrong and they get,
they get it and they are contracted. expand and then you know you're promoted and then you know, you get a netflix series. i mean and being wrong. it's just, you know, it has nothing to do with it. ok. because you fulfilled the mission. that is exactly what you're supposed to do. it has nothing to do with what's moral and what is right. ok. and really quite tragically, not, not been carrying about the condition of the body politic. okay? because this all of this is, is it's a politics of hate and division. that's all it is. and it's all for power. that's what they want to do. he 100 percent. ok, they got to give the last minute and a half to a david in philadelphia. we're. we're ending on the program or a depressing no. can you give us some, a little bit of love to maybe go ahead dave, in philadelphia? well, maybe it's levity, it might be depressing. i mean, my would like to just sort of correct the mythology about the media before, you know, before trump being aggressive foot soldiers of truth. you know this,
this media in the united states has always been servants of power. it's been true in the fifty's when they all locked up the whole, you know, red scare thing for an entire decade. they, they covered up and, and shut cheerly, or lead it for the us invasion of vietnam. and you know, all those years of murder and, and may him in vietnam, they supported the cold war through all the years of the sanity. the media has never been oppositional as a, you know, a principal, they've basically been servants of power and they still are. well, i think, i think very interesting gentlemen is, and i'm really glad we, we got and had a little bit more historical background because i think that's absolutely true. but what i think is really interesting and maybe we can do a separate program on it. is that the entire forest regime change strategy that has been applied to over the last few decades. it's being played out in the united states. they perfected it, and now they're doing it at home. it's very,
very interesting. the parallels are amazing and, and i think the outcome is truly, truly depressing. i guess the word democracy just doesn't have much currency anymore. i want to thank my guest and philadelphia, plymouth, and in detroit, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember cross top roles the ah, when i would show the wrong one, i just don't need you to fill out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail, when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground
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