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tv   Going Underground  RT  April 17, 2021 2:30pm-3:01pm EDT

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a master tansey and we're going underground for another lockdown edition of solidarity is expressed all around the world with palestinian prisoners allegedly detained by israel by the e.u. u.k. and us in violation of international law this all under the shadow of the global growth of ours pandemic and bought to we go to northern ireland to investigate why the 23rd anniversary of the good friday agreement was accompanied by nearly 900 injured u.k. security forces before us joining me now from heifer in israel is israeli dissident a story and an author professor. thank you so much a lot for coming back on i mean you're known globally for your work on the middle east your your work with no i'm trying to ski on gaza on palestinian prisoners day
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gaza's been called the largest open air prison in the world is everyone there a prisoner. what in many ways not only in the governor's you and i think also in the west bank we're talking about to measure prisons was a different you know where gaza is almost like maximum security prison because of the siege and the naval mccrae and part of the west bank you want them all right in open prison but basically the regime are going to grant you homes or the millions upon millions. the rest reminders. the regime and relationship between order and their people of course who are 1. only being honest probably because they. all did any criminal acts just because alcohol or thing and then living conditions that most people in the world. and there are all basic rights which is common
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how what happens in. i mean is there of course denies this absolutely and keeps talking about how must as does many as do many e.u. leaders do you think would you agree with clare short of all my british cabinet minister has said that accusations of terrorism against hamas is a bit like the accusations of terrorism against president nelson mandela of south africa. i think understand ration movement has secular. and has a nationalist side and it has also a commitment of the islamic side but all the respect all these parties all these movements all part of a good ration. understand if you want liberation and therefore
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this struggle is an anti communist drug and it is absolutely true. there were times that because on the progress of the nigeria. mom and solves not your brand. x. of parents and then i will mention my generals older and our parents. and . we need the fathers the units and still training it as an act of terror for the sake. of the propaganda has been trying. to yours i know the light is changing there on the camera a little hope of says stop this despite that that judging life i mean i what i want to get on to britain's role we're going to speak in but to tune the former head of intelligence francine moyo and island was england's 1st colony what do you made for
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boris johnson's comment saying any international criminal court avesta geisha into alleged war crimes by israel in these areas it gives the impression of being a partial and prejudicial prejudicial attack on a friend an ally of the u.k.'s netanyahu of course has said it's i've been diluted and he semitism. well it's particularly i think painful and comes to britain because there is a british responsibility for the suffering of the palestinian which goes back to $917.00 to the balfour declaration and ever since the bulk of the gratian so many of the british decision so many many of its policy making has contributed directly to the palestinian catastrophe 948 and to the catastrophes that followed. now i know some of the british diplomats on the ground in the west bank they do sent every month
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a report to britain i'm sure boris johnson doesn't read these reports but these are some of these diplomats are honest people and if you read their reports you would rush to the international. criminal court to try and prosecute israel for its crimes so it's not even a matter of ignorance on the part of the british government it is knowing really knowingly that they provide this international umbrella for criminal policy of which the fully aware and i would add to this the military support of britain gives to israel some even military training in all of this of course sustaining the israeli policies and immunize israel from any into any effective international rebuke that is necessary given the imbalance on the ground between understanding and israelis. do you and other academics callers on the subject of being
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campaigning for decades let alone the people of palestine things changing now in the united states maybe that will have an impact on britain a democrat from minnesota betty mccollum introducing legislation in the united states to make military aid conditional on the detention of children this after all being palestine prisoners' day do you think you wouldn't have heard that before that legislation would even be considered in the u.s. about the detention and alleged torture of children by an israel backed by the united states the european union in the u k. i think one happens is that. in the last 2025 years. and very significant should now merit in public opinion. research. on if you want pondered stronger but or on the political system.
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bob. thank you we can see the beginning of. 1 1 1 more and more. and more we will hear more about that especially in the democratic party we should not be. too long before we will hear people. making statements. to the reality on the wrong spectrum not optimistic about the. ministration but i do think this is a very it's a process of you know. very snow when there is a change it's not given. people on their own.
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but hopefully we will come back to this. on the way to changing and. stop the suffering of the understanding on the ground because as you say it must be very. britain's lame anita jeremy corbyn was brought down about accusations of anti-semitism on a broader palestine and as for lloyd austin joe biden's pentagon was just declared a. commitment to israel in the face of accusations like the ones you'll make about child detention. yes. wanted to repeat not to forget that we are talking about special courts for children of israel holds and abuses under steam in children and children who are prisoners but in many ways if you want to look at the journey called for for instance on the one hand yes it is
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a successful. policy by the lobby to destroy his political career purposes on the other hand it means that there are now people in positions of importance leaders of opposition parties and so on who are now such talking openly about their support for the palestinian cause and of course the opposition will do all it can to silence them and stifle the debate but i think it also shows that something is changing just shows that the campaign is not over people are going to look at what you've been accused of obviously i mean. central to the debate about palestine is probably being taught in schools right across the european union is this phrase 2 state solution do you see the phrase 2 state solution now as a code for continuing to jail torturing children bombing
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damascus who knows what your government gets up to is the phrase 2 state solution a cover. i think it's that's a cover for israel but it's far more a cover for the west. government doesn't talk about 2 state solution has an indoor game a 2 state solution since netanyahu came to power but i think there west the leaders of the west are talking about the 2 state solution as an excuse to say well you know maybe israel is doing that or other thing violates human rights and civil rights systematically but because around the corner there is a peace agreement based on a 2 state solution we don't have to interfere and we don't have to do anything against these violations because 7 that's the formula these violations would stop once the 2 state solution would become a reality now everyone who has been on the ground for more than 5 minutes knows
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that the 2 state solution has been dead now for a very long time and its body lies in the more the only thing we need is a funeral just to establish that fact but i think it is. a good excuse for especially governments like the british government and the american government to remain idle and do nothing in the face of a very visible. continued violation of human rights and civil rights which includes views of rights or should a listing in children. on the ground. if one can forgive british civil society or any of the mainstream media for not covering human rights abuses in the middle east it might be not only the duke of edinburgh's funeral but it by all of them be a huge corruption scandal breaking here about all being what do you make of the level of lobbying that emanates from from the middle east. the main place where
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jeremy corbin refused on state when they could be any seen before is the initial election to admit he was taking money from a known person who supported israeli interests in the middle east war i know i personally am going to write a book on it that so called lobby which i should say israel considers just the phrase anti-semitic. book about it now. aspects of this story me when i went into the material. very. being going on for gary long time. all the. small b. in britain and i think that's one reason it's so resilient it's knowing that the general. started yesterday ordered a new post yesterday its. second novel the 19th century the 2nd aspect very important remember it's not just the jewish community that supports this mob the
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roads are strong. under mentalists gresham will be in britain as well we tend to think that it only exists in the united states because it's there but it's a very powerful lobby in the united. is where and i think. this is why ari. really expects so many aspects of british policy how will that question. now no way to challenge it it's really not all. its main. the senate isn't. the principal means to stifle debate on published by and silence be. criticized israel to realize that there are about what's happening in palestine it's not just about palestine it's immoral you know our position against violations of human rights in the word not only in. their eyes
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. and hands and of power of. many reasons very. high in assassinate their parent and laying down for races and the senate is a word. against racism in that case i'll resign and. present i'll have a thank you after the break we go to england's 1st colony island where violence on the streets of belfast could signal a united ireland. i strongly believe that. the information to drill united states and russia control
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control the. installation no but it will also get reported this week. either. by planes were shut down or ships were drowned but. i agree let's start with know there will be need be it will be. the best. welcome back as violence continues on the streets of belfast in the wake of the 23rd anniversary of the signing of the good friday agreement u.k. prime minister morris johnson seems more preoccupied with the scandal over corporations lobbying members of his government than arguably the worst violence
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seen in northern ireland for decades he has what no the 1st minister eileen foster said about the rioting the scenes we have seen over this last evening and previous evenings in various parts of northern ireland are totally unacceptable there can mean no peace in our society for violence or the threat of violence and it must all just as it was wrong in the past and was never justified so what is wrong i m cannot be justified the injury to the front line officers victims terrorists damage to people's property the harm to northern ireland's image and arson tinner year has taken us backwards and no brick no bottle no patter of bone thrown has achieved our can ever achieve anything but destruction harm and fear. we are indebted to the police officers who stand between order and those who prefer anarchy we are also indebted to all those political representatives community leaders parents
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pastors and others who have sought to countenance and and urge restraint enforced the leader of the u.p.a. there joining me now from his constituency is the shin fein m.p. from middle to front seat malloy for the thanks so much for coming back on the show well in foster this is distracting all the violence from the real war break ins shin fame no evidence to suggest that the u.p.a. has been involved in the violence and it's quiet and out of it what is your take being where i think one is it's a dangerous talk where arlene directly to sage and b.n. are the criminals like after all gen van leave the our partners in government in the assembly part and doing the 1st minister do what is very important we get the rate. to their people at the feel comfortable with when i get out the balances happen down the street is following on from whenever we leave particularly
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when it was a loyalist paramilitaries it too she said explaining to them what was happening around the irish critical and would happen around the issues around the crash that we have to remember back should preclude who she had by the british government in the be rejected a number of measures and likely would have the problems around. the recall and the issues of black and forge and so a lot of the issues are and have been highlighted are not actually the real issues that we're talking about there is usually we're talking about here is. of the concern of the loyalist paramilitaries and the weapon up of young people who have been centered to act to try and create the found on the streets when reality. the general public are not involved in any rash are any activity on the streets well all them are people when the whole the people gathered out here in front and you
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don't get nearly 900 police officers or security forces are injured you mentioned that early in foster the head of the u.p.a. had met with partisan paramilitaries how does that actually work as it's been reported everywhere even maybe not in the washington post which got the story late arguably the british segment of the b.b.c. got the story late about what's been happening in derry belfast garrick forgets all over ulster what he means to me to paramilitaries and they know illegal. over the good friday agreement they are under should have been disbanded a long time back there are no dust of kishan at all or are militant there's no justification for. communication with them because they are involved in the political process are there not the john outside of the group which was quite a loyalist by many people as they used the t.v.'s and all around commandos and this is the group of people that are named and were actually meeting with bays and were
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to update them on what was happening in recent days put it all in the end of their protocol was brought about by the british government because she had to try and alleviate some of the worst issues of prasad and the levy have been pretty supportive of the strongest my years of traction and we told them over and over again and it was detrimental to their own community. well we have a lot of the top people on this show and we reinvestigated that. seeming. their own doom being sold by their support for conservative administrations here when you hear that boris johnson northern ireland secretary also says the violence is an acceptable but that the factors are complex what would you think he means well. understand barstow is concerned and should be concerned and what we're
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sending the 2 governments shouldn't take your eye of the ball or 2 governments should act to ensure that there aren't on an intranet to alleviate the bio's. wrasse whenever that happen when there are switched on like this because at the loyalist parmalee don't like the process so that the u.p.a. don't like the issue of our larry dimension and i think then we actually have to question what does the what is a british government doing to try and alleviate that problem i mean do you think i mean this in faint call for the bars on the government to respond to dublin's desire for some kind of summit now about where we are as regards that irish protocol on the border in the irish sea yes i think we do need to lead in the. government and the british government the problem is that the leave p.r.t. don't want to be he broke off communication and they do want to participate in the
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east is doctors are there within the can for the agreement and what we need is the full implementation of the good friday agreement not any staying away from one not any excuses for not implemented and we don't need the 2nd to see it. are others trying to justify the bounds of the state as it were to something to do with the irish dimension do you think johnson not responding to dublin favorably so far some of that he doesn't want to be involved in any summit maybe a reflection of his understanding the joe biden used to well certainly support of the old ira. well joe biden had on the irish instructors in the u.s. in general there were brain which involved in the peace process the good friday agreement the clinton administration with key to bring a pretty good friend it remains and joe biden and his administration have made it clear that they good for the agreement has to be protected and we have to ensure
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that is clearly implemented and that the any damage to that there were 90 have an act on certain of trade deals with the british government and the u.s. administration joe biden and graham which on the line with what people want to see on it think you know the area should community want to see the full implementation of the good credit remain well i'll give the border poland reunification rezek a better pot when we heard about palestine and palestinian prisoners they you've actually talked about similarities between the struggle for irish freedom and palestinian freedom just remind us all the parallels there because you have never had that in mainstream media in this country though and i think that's one of the problems at the end of the palestinian issue is that it's actually i am in awe freedom and freedom 1st people and the new word. concern i don't trip and off the palestinian people the palestinian prisoners.
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who main the rancic are killing israel and i was acting back in the doctors there was peace process is quite together with in palestine as well and and really b.s.t. israel has marched and demolished the infrastructure such as to tram the process as i take off the palestinian people even in this time of pandemic on the need for nike to bash a nation though the palestinian people have been left and abandoned though we and i know tony blair is a year began. to eat. that issue is the palestinian people he has been denying with an understanding within the irish community the ones we've got to give them unfortunately the 2 governments took their eye of the ball on the road the draft and the british government and the tourists and make an agreement and the end all
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in our part and learn them to fall apart and run step in by those agreements in need to implement those agreement so the similarities between the palestinian people storm people and of the similarities will know the cuban people. are being curtailed under all imagine of what they want to achieve is being pretty and we want to see the similarities come together and on the irish people have honest they have communication with the palestinian people which i think was the brave people who pressed people and we see our sound language in r.c.m. and. well i forgot and i think tony blair was no voice for the middle east his wife has been on this year we invite him on but i think he's more concerned with lobbying inquiries here in westminster arguably but you talk about the similarities and you must be aware that some people believe the palestinian authority has sold out the ballots to me and cause there we had the in basically junior on this show and he said chin frame there would ministers british rule in and i mean do you
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think bobby said to be happy with the way she unfeigned basically have ministers nor from westminster now in the north of ireland i think it would be because i think bobby sands saw the opportunity to bring a bird after a little sacrament and the crisis of the wars in the prison at that particular time and nobody would do nothing to train leaving that and what we saw on a number staggers and he took on our challenge. for the. band large. can mandate had because of the. confidence and aftermath and the status was renewed for the prisoners within the prisons so ensure that we do need to actually sit down and who she had a nice table situations just finally obviously while we're talking about partisan
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paramilitaries all the other parties the p.d.'s g.o.p. the u.p. the alliance the greens are calling for the deputy 1st minister michelle a neil's resignation because and it's in every news report here in britain really the reason for the rioting across ulster is because of the ira funeral of. the story who was born 3 why was it so important and is this this is actually a decoys for the the deep rooted causes why impoverish partisans my desire to revolt in. yeah i think you reach out to young politicians on the stage there were no what we story was there were a story of a lifelong republican leader been in prison he had went through various different stages open turkish and been arrested and he was told of those what at the end of the marlins washed on the e.p. we're trying to do distract from the real issue which is that their greed
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compassion read to the protocol. and now they're actually trying to blame everyone else but why there's a rat in a street i don't believe that the ratan street is and in the do what we sound the story spirit behind us and heading there were many around that particular time and since that and i know everything we've gone pretty straight an organizer have to make sure that the all the protocols were interest you know all the protections were in place and for to give people the national parks all across and the brother hugh. service decided not to prosecute i'm just very very briefly then another funeral the duke of edinburgh prince philip's funeral you think after that we may well see the paramilitaries back but hopefully not hopefully people will take speed and reasons not to return return to. our tax
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will ensure that the assembly. and. report. are used to a full justification was to armor around on the street fronts of a lawyer thank you that's over the show will be back on monday 52 years to the days and scores of off duty u.k. security violently attacked a civil rights march from belfast to derry and when will be investigating democratic socialist alternative to violence police against black men in minneapolis until then join the only group of the falling off social media. and the speculators and those are now the ruling elites of the world are the speculators. they can create bubbles it could be used cars this week it could be. next week it could be islands somewhere in the pacific the week after that those
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