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and therefore this channel is an anti come on you're wrong and. there were times that because on the progress of the nigeria. mom and solves not your god where. acts of terrorism and national and then i will mention my generals older and our parents. and. we need to reject in life the fathers the instructor and stop training it as an act of terror for the sake. of the great the propaganda has been trying to comment. i know the life is changing they're all on the camera live or we'll put says stop this despite that that judging life i mean i what i want to get on to the britain's role we're going to speak and bought to tune the former head of intelligence francine moyo and island was england's 1st colony what do you made for
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boris johnson's comment saying any international criminal court avesta geisha into alleged war crimes by israel in these areas it gives the impression of being a partial and prejudicial prejudicial attack on a friend an ally of the u.k.'s netanyahu of course has said it's i've been diluted and he semitism. well it's particularly i think painful and comes to britain because there is a british responsibility for the suffering of the palestinian which goes back to $917.00 to the bulk of the khorasan and ever since the bulk of the gratian so many of the british decision so many many of its policy making has contributed directly to the palestinian catastrophe 948 into the catastrophes that followed. now i know some of the british diplomats on the ground in the
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west bank they do sent every month a report to britain i'm sure boris johnson doesn't read these reports but these are some of these diplomats are honest people and if you read their reports you would rush to the international. criminal court to try and prosecute israel for its crimes so it's not even a matter of ignorance on the part of the british government it is knowing really knowingly that they provide this international umbrella for criminal policy of which they are fully aware and i would add to this the military support of britain gives to israel some even military training in all of this of course sustaining the israeli policies and immunize israel from any into any effective international rebuke that is necessary given the imbalance on the ground between honesty and israelis. to you and other academics callers on the
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subject of being campaigning for decades let alone the people of palestine things changing now in the united states maybe that will have an impact on britain a democrat from minnesota betty mccollum introducing legislation in the united states to make military aid conditional on the detention of children this after all being palestine prisoners' day do you think you wouldn't have heard that before that legislation would even be considered in the u.s. about the detention and ledge torture of children by an israel backed by the united states the european union in the u k. i think one happens is that. in the last 2025 years. and very significant should now american public opinion. research. any impact on if you want pondered it stronger or on the political system
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. thank you we can see the beginning of. 1 1 more and more. and more we will hear more about that especially in the democratic party we should not be. too long before we will hear people. making statements. to the reality on the wrong spectrum not optimistic about the body of ministration but i do think this is a very it's a process you know. very snowy there is a change. in our. people under occupation and.
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but hopefully we will come back to this. on the way to changing and. stop the suffering of the pundits being on the ground because as you say it must be very. been eliminated jeremy corbyn was brought down about accusations of anti-semitism when he brought up palestine and as for lloyd austin joe biden's pentagon was just declared a. commitment to israel in the face of accusations like the ones you will make about child detention. yes. wanted to repeat not to forget that we are talking about special courts for children of israel holds and abuses under steam in children and children who are prisoners but in many ways if you want to look at the journey called for for instance on the one hand yes it is
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a successful. policy by the lobby to destroy his political career purposes on the other hand it means that there are now people in positions of importance leaders of opposition parties and so on who are now such talking openly about their support for the palestinian cause and of course the opposition will do all it can to silence them and stifle the debate but i think it also shows that something is changing just shows that the campaign is not over people are going to look at what you've been accused of obviously i mean. central to the debate about palestine is probably being toward schools right across the european union is this phrase 2 state solution do you see the phrase 2 state solution now as a code for continuing to jail torturing children bombing
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damascus who knows what your government gets up to is the phrase 2 state solution a cover. i think it's that's a cover for israel but it's far more a cover for the west. government doesn't talk about 2 state solution has an indoor game a 2 state solution since netanya came to power but i think there west the leaders of the west are talking about the 2 state solution as an excuse to say well you know maybe israel is doing that or other thing violates human rights and civil rights systematically but because around the corner there is a peace agreement based on a 2 state solution we don't have to interfere and we don't have to do anything against these violations because that's the formula these violations would stop once the 2 state solution would become a reality now everyone who has been on the ground for more than 5 minutes knows
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that the 2 state solution has been dead now for a very long time and its body lies in the more the only thing we need is a funeral just to establish that fact but i think it is. a good excuse for especially governments like the british government and the american government to remain idle and do nothing in the face of a very visible. continued violation of human rights and civil rights which includes the abuse of rights should a listing in children. on the ground. now if one can forgive a british civil society or any of the mainstream media for not covering human rights abuses in the middle east it might be not only the duke of edinburgh's funeral but it might also be a huge corruption scandal breaking here about all being what do you make of the level of lobbying that emanates from from the middle east. the main place where
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jeremy corbin refused on stage when they could be any seen before is the initial election to admit he was taking money from a known person who supported israeli interests in the middle east war i know i personally am going to write a book on it that so called lobby which i should say israel considers just the phrase anti-semitic. book about it now. aspects of this story really hit me when i went into the material one of the very. being going on for gary long time. all the. small be in britain and i think that's one reason it's so resilient it's knowing that the general. started yesterday ordered a new post yesterday its. second novel the 19th century the 2nd aspect very
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important remember it's not just the jewish community that supports the small b reza strong. under mentalists gresh you're already in britain as well we tend to think that it only exists in the united states because it's there but it's a very powerful lobby in the united. is where and i think. this is why. really expects so many aspects of british policy how would the question. now no way to challenge it it's really not all. its main. the senate isn't. the principal means to stifle debate on congress by and silence be. criticized israel to realize that there are about what's happening in palestine it's not just about palestine it's immoral you know
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our position against violations of human rights in the word not only in palestine and their eyes. and hands and of power of. many reasons very. high in assassinate their parent there are. 4 races and the senate is now we're taking a very bold and moral position against racism in the. present i'll have a thank you after the break we go to england's 1st colony island where violence on the streets of belfast could signal a united ireland. those who can and the speculators and those are now the able the elites of the world are the speculator keynes they can create bubbles it could be used cars this week it
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could be. next week it could be islands somewhere in the pacific the week after that those are bubbles of the secular collapse and ultimately when the everything bubble collapses then we have the realisation that the economy die in 2008 we just have a very to get. good like it's a moot issue do. you wish the 1st one to emerge to go forward from it would you. let yourself be just who do. you think if it was national guard can you pull off. a thought. over the little. bits and with
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which are difficult times. for school board or these critics one of the least musical. because the. machine into life to be smeared. all over the city if you go. and pull someone into believing it doesn't alter a close call if you avoid it e.g. . it's been decades since the fall of spain's fascist regime but old wounds still haven't revealed during 2000 going into the thought it was pretty. good when we suppose so. to me on the bus at us it's me that would have an interest and that's important to you know cells and have newborn babies were torn from their mothers and given away and forced adoption i don't really. want to be stuck with my
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own role. to this day mothers still search for grown children while adults look in hope for their parents. welcome back as violence continues on the streets of belfast in the wake of the 23rd anniversary of the signing of the good friday agreement u.k. prime minister morris johnson seems more preoccupied with the scandal over corporations lobbying members of his government than arguably the worst violence seen in northern ireland for decades here's what northern ireland 1st minister ali and foster said about the rioting the scenes we have seen over the last evening and previous evenings in various parts of northern ireland are totally unacceptable
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there can mean no place in our society for violence or the threat of violence and it must all just as it was wrong in the past and was never justified so what is wrong i cannot be justified the injury to the front line officers victims terrorized homage to people's property the harm to northern ireland's image and arson tinner year has taken us backwards and no brick no bottle no patter of bone thrown has achieved or can ever achieve anything but destruction arm and fear. we are indebted to the police officers who stand between order and those who prefer anarchy we are also indebted to all those political representatives community leaders parents pastors and others who have sought to countenance and and urge restraint enforced the leader of the u.p.a. there joining me now from his constituency is the shin fein m.p. from middleton from malloy father thanks so much for coming back on the show well
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in foster this is distracting all the violence from the real war breakers shinn fame no evidence to suggest that the u.p.a. has been involved in the violence and it's quite and out of it what is your take being where i think one is it's a dangerous talk where arlene drank it to the sage and b.n. are the criminals like after all champion leave the our partners in government in the assembly part and doing the 1st minister to it is very important that we get the rate of really key issues so that people like you feel comfortable with one of the balances happened on the street is following on from whenever you leave particularly met with a loyalist paramilitaries to she said explain to them or is happening around the irish critical and would happen around the issues around the crash that we have to remember back should preclude who she had by the british government the be
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rejected a number of measures and likely would have the problems around. the recall and the issues of black and forge and so a lot of the issues are have been highlighted are not actually the real issues that recommit there is usually we're talking about here is. of the concern of the loyalist paramilitaries and the weapon up of young people who have been centered to act to try and create the found on the streets when reality. the general public are not involved in any rash are any activity on the streets well all them are people when this will the people gathered out here in front and you don't get nearly 900 police officers or security forces are injured you mentioned that early in foster the head of the u.p.a. had met with partisan paramilitaries how does that actually work as it's been reported everywhere even maybe not in the washington post which got the story late
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arguably the british segment of the b.b.c. got the story late about what's been happening in derry belfast carrick fergus all over ulster what he means he need to paramilitaries and they know illegal. under the good friday agreement they are and they should have been disbanded a long time back there are no dust of kishan at all or are militant there's no justification for. communication with them because they are involved in the political process are there not the john outside of the group which was quite a loyalist parmalee it was a huge the e.v.f. an r.n. armed commandos and this is the group of people that are named and we're actually meeting with bays and more to update them on what has happened in recent days put it all in the end of the protocol was brought about by the british government because she had to try and alleviate some of the worst issues of rations and the
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levy had been pretty supportive of the strongest my years of traction and we told them over and over again and was detrimental to their own community. well we haven't. talked people on this show and we reinvestigated that. the seeming. their own doom being sold by their support for conservative administrations here when you hear that boris johnson northern ireland secretary also says the violence is an acceptable but that the factors are complex what would you think he means well. understand barstow is concerned and should be concerned and what we're sending the 2 governments shouldn't take your eye of the ball or to govern should have to ensure that their hands on an intranet to alleviate the bio's. ras whenever that happen when they're switched on like this because that the
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loyalist paramilitaries don't like the process so that the u.p.a. don't like the issue of our larry dimension and i think again we actually have to question why does the what is a british government doing to try and alleviate the problem i mean do you think i mean to sinn fein call for the war zones a government to respond to dublin's desire for some kind of summit now about where we are as regards the protocol on the border in the irish sea yes i think we do need to lead in the. government and the british government the problem is that the d.v.d. don't want to nearby he broke off communication and they do want to participate in the east is doctors are there within the can for the agreement and what we need is the full implementation off the good friday agreement not any staying away from one not any excuses for not implemented and we don't need the shang to see it run loose
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are others trying to justify the bounds of the state as it were to something to do with the irish dimension do you think jonson not responding to dublin favorably so far some of that he doesn't want to be involved in any summit maybe a reflection of his understanding the joe biden used to well certainly support of the old ira. well joe biden had on the irish instructors in the u.s. in general there were graeme which involved in the peace process the good friday agreement the clinton administration with key to bring a very good friend it remind and joe biden and his administration have made it clear that the good friday agreement has to be protected and we have to ensure that is fully implemented and that the any damage to that there were 90 have an act on setting up trade deals with the british government and the us administration preacher joe biden and bryan which on the lang with white people want to see an
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a think you know there is community want to see the full implementation of the good credit remain well give the border poland reunification rezek a better pot when we heard about palestine and palestinian prisoners they you've actually talked about similarities between the struggle for irish freedom and palestinian freedom just remind us all the parallels there because you know you never hear that in mainstream media in this country though and i think that's one of the problems at the end of the palestinian issue is that it's actually him in off freedom and freedom 1st people and the new word. concern about the trip and of the palestinian people the palestinian prisoners and and oh main the rancic are killing israel and i was acting back in the structures there was peace process is called together within palestine as well and and really b.s.t.
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israel has marched and demolished the infrastructure side to trim the process as i take off the palestinian people even in this time of pandemic and the need for nike to bash a nation though the palestinian people have been left and abandoned though we and i don't know tony blair is a your be an ambassador to iraq. that issue is the palestinian people he has been denying with them and then the same thing within the irish community who were once we got the good friday agreement this one fortunately the 2 governments took their eye of the ball on the road the issue to draft and the british government and the tourists and make an agreement and the end all in our part and learn them to fall apart and run staff and by those that we must in need to implement those agreements for the similarities between the palestinian people storm people and of the similarities within you know the cuban people. are being curtailed under all
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imagine of what they want to achieve is being curtailed we want to see the similarities come together and on the areas people have honest they have communication with the palestinian people which i think with the brave people the press people and we will see ourselves rain which in r.c.m. mind. well i forgot and i think tony blair was the un envoy for the middle east his wife has been on this year we invite him on but i think he's more concerned with lobbying inquiries here in westminster arguably but you talk about the similarities and you must be aware that some people believe the palestinian authority has sold out the ballots didn't cause it we had ian paisley jr on this show and he said jim fein now administer the british rule in iowa and i mean do you think bobby sands be happy with the way shin fein basically administers law from westminster now in the north of ireland i think would be because i think. the
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opportunity to bring political settlement and the crisis of the wars in the prison as a particular and nobody would do in any to train leaving and what we should are now no longer sectors and he took on our challenge. for the. band large. and mandate and because of the actors intentions and aftermath then we started this was renewed for the prisoners within the prison so ensure that we do need to actually sit down and look who she had at least able to do missions just finally obviously while we're talking about protestant paramilitaries all the other parties the d.v.d.'s g.o.p. the u.p. the alliance the greens are calling for the deputy 1st minister michelle own eels resignation because and it's in every news report here in britain really the reason
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for the rioting across ulster is because of the ira funeral of bobby story who was very why was he so important and is this this is actually a decoys for the the deep rooted causes why impoverished partisans might desire to revolt in. yes. i think you reach out to young and politicians on the stage there were no what we story was there were a story of a lifelong republican he had been imprisoned he had went through various different stages open terry gay shouldn't have been arrested and he was told all those white at the end of the were marching to washington on the e.p. were trying to do so distract from the real issue which is that their greed compassion read to the protocol important and now they're actually trying to blame everyone else but why there's a rat in a story i don't believe that the rat in the street as i'm in the do with what we
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saw on the story fear in the house and having there were many around that particular time and since that and i know everything we've gone pretty straight and organized i have to make sure that the all the protocols were interest you know all the protections were in place and pretty give people the national park tell the president the brother here is in service decided not to prosecute i'm just very very briefly then another funeral the duke of edinburgh prince philip you know you think after that we may well see the paramilitaries back but hopefully not hopefully people will take gaspy us and reasons b.s. and not to return to return to the negotiating table and to make our tax walk and to ensure that the assembly and the institution to go there the report is basically trade agreement are used are all there are no justification whatsoever for ratan on the street. well i thank you that's of the show will be back on monday 52 years to
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the days in schools of off duty u.k. security services violent be attacked a civil rights march from belfast to derry and when we'll be investigating the democratic socialist alternative to violence police against black men in minneapolis until then join the only group of the following us all on social media .
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the world is driven by a dream shaped by one person. who dares thinks. we dare to ask. those who can the speculators and those are now the ruling elites of the world are the speculators. they can create bubbles it could be used cars this week it could be. next week it could be islands somewhere in the pacific the week after that those are bubbles within a secular collapse and ultimately when the everything bubble collapses then we
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have the realisation that the economy died in 2008 we just haven't buried yet. there is no freedom of speech being allowed in the european parliament any more and i mean he claims he was silenced during a heated exchange in the european parliament for daring to question the transparency of the global chemical weapons watched all go into place investigation off an attack in syria we hear from the man himself. no negotiation was nearly dry and it is sure that there.


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