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past the deaths that happen every single day this is a modern history of the usa in america. i'm after it had junior watching another log jam additional going underground 18 years since the largest peace demonstration in history when up to 30000000 people in 600 cities worldwide protested against the nato nation war in iraq orchestrated in this country by labor prime minister tony blair in part 2 we'll hear from the rapper looking to replace arguable iraq war supporters of the current as london mayor in may but 1st let's speak to the award winning author of a new book on political lying peter oborne is the author of the assault on truth boris johnson donald trump and the emergence of a new moral barbarism and he joins me now from wilcher peter thanks so much for coming back on the show you know f.
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scott fitzgerald said keeping 2 opposing ideas in your head of the same time still functioning that's a 1st rate intelligence how come in this new idea of yours or it should walk and chew gum. yeah all of his job was not alive then one minute boris johnson is impressing you with his intellect when you were his close colleague the next minute he is this appalling almost unprecedented lie. how do you keep these 2 ideas going in this book well i go through my child work or instructs i say merced. or regional political mind art i know that you also are trying to eat. very straightforward colleague sarah totally is straightforward truly and a kind of liberal internationalists in many ways a nice kleck 6 liberal internationalists in these politics so i.
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try to go to puzzle out what has happened to the boris johnson we now have in dynamics. you mentioned liberal intervention liberal internationalist and liberal interventionist arguably after his record on yemen the world's worst humanitarian crisis i was you know i went yeah i've been very extensive ottley on the failure rates are 2 in surgery. you use the fact that we are an older united nations. and to that boris yeltsin didn't just do nothing to help the yemeni people during you know what genocide as far as well of course he would reject there was a lot of aid no i easily been given as well as muslims you know he said he's right there is an aids here and but only if the problem is the british rejection. were to reject the idea of who were injured and to the best station inciting war crimes
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that the heart of this work is the argument that people should not just laugh or the person before ernest behavior on the part of the british prime minister why why do you think it's so important not to just find or a stone thrown or a funny politician. well because he's our prime minister. prime minister it's a very serious joke. and if you fabricate the truth then you are lying churn like the people you're taking away that democratic rights that's one of the cool reasons why democracy needs troops now if you look here also crysis kitchens rusher or sheaves china eat we used to the idea of fabrication and massacre because there is not. a chronic system in the same way we have it in britain. that it operates under true basis if you want to have
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a democracy and you're going to sell lies the british people in order to get elected or that in order to justify your policies then. then i thought you were stealing the democratic rights but those countries reject the trio's they're not democracies and in your book you say that putin's russia and she jinping china are places where it is a crime not to lie i mean as you do name check in the book of julian assange hunch is a worldwide symbol of from where i'm talking to you of the fact that it is a crime not to lie here in britain. have a law is in jail you know life stood up a great deal. i think on your program but i suppose what i'm getting at here is that your drawing the the ancestry of lying in britain to the left i mean of all people men who is
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a revered figure is the person who meet the united states after its brutal war on that country you say you know the left for a license to be able to cover up his crimes. i mean why pick on what i think on the what. is the there are 2 different personal logical traditions there's the left which because it sees itself as more virtuous than the lights believes that it has a license and i have which is honorable to live to cheat and to deceive in order to make the world a better place i cite the example of soviet russia for instance where they are on lenin or star in which they feel the ends justify the means the rights as a difference is the best of the logical tradition namely that we should have served
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you cross a street and attempts to make sort of prove the world inuit you know great job way june is we really need to just pay attention to the things we can affect like telling truths like that better be courteous enough friendships and so our people and to making sure again rolls their bellies are 2 different ways of seeing things you mentioned by the way the iraq war so the left only blair from a left wing tradition he used that enormous lie about w.m.c. in order to justify the invasion of iraq with calamitous consequences that mr blair again deny that it was 9 burlesque it was a massive stomping on troops justify the war that is an example of what i mean no worries new what is very frightening zwi not the ruts using lives in order to win i mean some of our viewers are going to bork at the lines in your
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book like in britain we have long prided ourselves that we do things differently do you mean pride your thought you said there's a tradition in britain of these things i mean you don't have to. 3 knowledge of the 800 year occupation of violin let alone this week the anniversary of the mao in kenya to the bangor family and the lies have been part and parcel of the british tradition since time immemorial a feudal times to capitalist times who. i shall show live dollar each and i think we should all acknowledge that income unlike other countries of committee crowns us what i'm talking about very specifically is the history of parliament and political discourse in britain. and those 2 things i point to in the book when he made a procedural right arm the other one is the ministerial code both of which explicitly say that ministers representing the government's use who say forces
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untruths on the floor of the house of commons must come back and correct and i don't stray a very great deal of date so that since mr johnson became prime minister in july it was 2090 the number of full sorts on met by mr john prime minister and his ministers and going through the roof sent a list of those of the speaker of the house sent a list of them to mr johnson himself and sent a list of the leader of the opposition and i sent a list to jacob race not a no response so it's become normal and acceptable to lie it just wasn't your role or some traits it was not permissible to lie on the floor has been so very beast you know give examples of how people 8 ounces or lying on the floor house before until very recently. ok i'm going to go through hand so and from now listen that's what you read as the previous also in truth. i've done that job and i shall happily
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will our no i'm saying further back athletes time in the malaria merge and see the fun in the n.h.s. the korea war ok let's not go back there specifically you've written and we'll get on to the lies that you allege i mean you sent the book to lindsay hoyle the speaker. an ardent supporter of the war in iraq norman fowler of course infamous since since it's in iraq anniversary time fowler of course is in the in of that your administration that supported saddam hussein. any reply from the speaker in the lords or the commons hants received any response and sent these letters off for 2 weeks ago almost no response from the hall and the response from the speaker of the lords. and i thought a nice letter from caroline lucas the. senior the 3 parts here now what about mr johnson's lies it's very hard sue nowhere star he lolis as i should
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join a general election systematically jeremy call. you know george you must at once at once it suit sort of disband the british army or the security services or not since may fabric change state spending triggers a mystical age a lot about rex's you know and you know there are no job no trade barriers for instance couldn't one make the case that johnson didn't understand what the outcome of the negotiations were he didn't technically lie about the fact that ireland overthrew agreement that he set if you have a sense that was very telling film in 2 businessmen say you know if you get if somebody says you should ask for documents to do business with it do trade with northern ireland so it's mean are 6 knots so that's a lie i mean i mean that some people watching and some people who support war as johnson would say this is there's very little difference to other election
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campaigns in previous times and the lies against corbin. who would say it was the lies from his own zine about anti semitism that were worse than little lies about spending plans in the name of manifesto anyway well this is about what mr johnson is in a special position to say he is the british prime minister. and i think we we if we have a political leader prime minister who lies to us we are being stripped of our them of our rights as votes and so i write to concentrates that is why i concentrate on mr johnson you know the example of the lies and i think this is a les paul points if there is a show how they use the course and complicity of the mainstream press smear political opponents i found this particularly disgusting because i believe that though in many may fail that much of the time as journalists we have a duty to try and do our best so truth but i mean shock horror of the profumo
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affair let alone what happened to the government scientist david kelly in the briefing room which i suppose you had there mark out as important as the gamble and the blair government i did i want to get on to you because you were a victim of this complicity in the book your 30 year career in mainstream media was and once the i wrote i tried to expose johnson's lights out so we story in the book i try to get various papers the run piece about it and i try to get a chance for to make a program about ship. can do that but show open democracy to not only so well so nonprofit kind of website and then after that i think last year i wrote 2 pieces of mainstream papers circle mainstream papers you know and that was it and i'm not a want to try to sort of be. beat but it's not your place to be
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a specific artist and actually trusts nobody has been it is a very serious point that if someone has established it as you for the hill that is one article that you saw as a pivotal point where the entire firmament of journalism in this country said no the. idol offered pieces all around. so no she's the thought has been reviewed we have been but you know you're not be it so yes it not be but your papers of review of the telegraph it was a review of the associated factors review of the b.b.c. he's not gone yet this is a book document so you have a prime minister of the day it's a bit short on systematic line and uses the mainstream press in order to get many of the slice nor will it charlie by the b.b.c. . he thought all these organizationally nice of you know me oh by the way for you.
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yeah i don't think we should have your own actually clearly those institutions who defend themselves and say there's plenty of robust criticism of boris johnson his team dominic cummings the previous advisor that it's all there it's something that you wrote that was this effectively not. not allowed and i suppose it's what's not allowed is calling boris johnson a liar. i think that was what was suddenly in late 2090 election day with. these these lights went on inspects. joined jerry very large nature and happened to go to a good run i should say suitcases i think want to piece by me during the campaign itself in the mirror on election day right. but i sense that that's more just in my last doris meissner journalists would all stop you there more from the award
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winning author of the assault on truth of this break. her do you know fold your book in europe. with the. beach was a storm of the lower story you are through. when you go to the movie way of legal it in the video it appears with an umbrella. that is still chill it has the soul of the. family to get you to.
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join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest on the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back i'm still here with award winning journalist and author of the assault on truth peter oborne we haven't touched trump which is another factor in this amazing amazingly controversial flies a book as regards mainstream opinion you do mention the fact that your recounting of these lies they will have an effect on other members of the cabinet resign at the chancellor of the exchequer because they have to stand up for them but how serious are the issues in this book as regards his dealing with coronavirus as people may realise if you're in britain no if you're what you outside britain
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you'll think britain is a. is the one of the worst hit countries in the world by a long long margin coronavirus. but if you want british media now it's amazing boris johnson has been a great prime minister and has vaccinated the country a par excellence compared to competitors what he does to serve me the british government does this great you know. the back seat. well. great long you your contacts nation. things look. well i wrote a book about the source or not. just. and the i listen particular ally's tones are in the correct paris all the full sort so they're in the tourists and demick about getting trapped as they
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didn't hurt immunity situation and compare. mr johnson really with angela merkel he's a very interesting comparison with angela merkel she was so steady she didn't try to heighten a thing up the problem with johnson is the sort of language is inappropriate so excites it far too optimistic and not engaging with the nature of the tragedy if you look at the core absolutely crucial sensible pragmatic and johnson is someone halfway between merkel and trump who've courses is the fact it's bullshit or not since he is probably closer to trump in the in the sense that he doesn't have any doesn't have a proper respect truth. well i just. will just finally i mean on the the masses on the people do they care obviously people are reading in watching
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reading few newspapers. do they care that their politicians are lying to them the birthstone from presiding over or and his readers as. ever ever growing disparities of wealth food banks just where i'm speaking to you do they care or are they too busy trying to just live their daily lives to care what's happening i think is a very interesting underlying issue race here has the nature of truth itself change that we lost something very precious in our society a common ground common system of values a common sort of benchmark of troops and all we know moving into a different world where. there is some sort of tribal system ology where the truth is what your site says your service if your shoes if your a if your a label person a left wing or that's your truth and the economy great on it because you just truth
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truth has become that sense a manifestation of power and the least truly scary terrified is that of course is what happens in all sorts areas sheets peter oborne thank you and your thought on truth is out now boris johnson launched his political career on the world stage when he became mayor of london now an insurgent candidate rapper drill minister looking to take the role going underground deputy editor charlie cook caught up with him and started by asking about his strategy of backing now the right nor left politics is what is going right in the us is it a grant without having the gender of no gender but the agenda of the people right now nighty 1000000 of government funding has been to be directed to ensure fair elections how well for 31000000 of that is the input to what the mary elections. i want to know who are these private firms and who are going to be to people not position to profit off of a pandemic once again but now with the name of the elections american actions as as
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as the device to enable these people to make profit just as we saw with p.p. just as we saw with so many things from the government coming forward with a good good intention but the intention result is something negative once again i'm trying to stop this elections dismember elections have been stolen from the people i don't try to make sure that it's democratic and fair we've been proven right now so and you've been alleging on twitter that your voice in a way is being silenced just how you are and how the mayoral election works now the pandemics the fact in the. right now we are all indoors as you can see i'm following by the guidelines of the government following by the guidelines of open set however the people that i want to vote for me the people that are independents you've got so many people from different backgrounds in this very actions not all that i agree with you know trying to say oh they all have
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a voice that's what democracy is and knowing that these people just let myself like i heard sean bailey of the conservative guy is in trouble for something about tried to pull this in people's doors and breaking covert guidelines i'm hearing people that prior rose getting in trouble with the far east to try to campaign with his campaign bus but yet the budget towards advertisement has gone up from the labor party has gone up for city con in this period i'm see most of the posters we've got dave disguise of cold feet and restrictions but yes a member of london mayor of london he has a snap chat campaign going on a whole lot in our house this guy's not using i'm hearing is people trying to find out the information about being in the e.u. and what their rights are he's not using that as an advocacy for his now or even pushing it along that may initiate for him so so all of this amounts to unfair
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elections undemocratic elections and that's why i came into this to do to make it fair oh i'm going to always point out to the people you're being rude does a ruse going on and the rules are not one to also not say and not a plain day dribble play day and expose the that's what i'm here to do so you're saying is that you're not the only candidate who had trouble i mean see come out of the fleet deny that he's been part of any sort of malfeasance when it comes to election draws about your manifesto what separates you from city county. my manifesto maybe is made for the people and by the people of taken in so many suggest that so many symbols of so many me ins with the people and ranged it all the way through transfer all all the way down to vironment and outs of homelessness that's all the facets are reporting evened out the crime if things that are ugly and taboo and we talking about how i know how to help i don't know what is the
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solution so well i'm good at tackling all of these problems but it's really because i'm part of it and see converse a that he's actually been tackling these issues during the current of his crisis he's presumably got plans to restart london once the current virus crisis is over it won't be your plan to kind of restart london. if you an assigned a city call is one in a competent london os the motor is how they feel about these new blockades and every road that it's got to go down would say the city contract to make a greener london into london that is making is making a lot of people really annoyed by the systems that is in implementing 'd without asking the public via even considering the public is it's basically like i said a dictatorship right now in this economy well under a dictatorship and to stop the dictatorship this is not a communist country we live in a country where we have got freedom you've got ressa do whatever you want to do and see if the current can't be implemented in what he believes is right for london we
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ask in london and that's what he's doing under the guidelines of colby so he would say he's challenging a lot of things because we haven't got to say we do not have a fair democratic elections right now i believe personally what breaking the human rights bills right now that's what i want to look into because we have procol what an awful free to right to free elections the high contracting parties undertake the whole free elections at reasonable intervals by secret ballot under the conditions which will in short a free expression of the opinion of the people in the choice of legislation so right now the constituents what conditions have we got to have a democratic process we need to postpone to marry elections and so we have a more clear understanding of what's going on with the pandemic almost going on with our democracy and city condra buff trump and he can't learn would you welcome joe biden if you imagine he came to london. well i will control biden is just the
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same snake with a different face it makes no difference if the both of the same put the same political system they both love the same thing it's just another side to the coin is the same coin you spend the same claim to make the same one so it's the same thing it doesn't mean because what he's wearing blue and he's way red what they're dead they're a different kettle of fish the same kind of fish i love you want to write. this is the same and out of way. costs or even millions of black men across america for pay crimes taken away from them that they're from their families breaking whole communities saturate in mid century in the market for himself so they can profit off of private private funding of a private prisons why would i ever welcome as a lot to mess somebody that has a city that damaging a community and on a generation. that man knows what's coming for we'll have to make a one day let's widen out from london you're the only candidate i've seen it's been
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talking about things like smutty on foreign wars about julian assange and why do you think the you all want to hear any candidates talking about these kind of wider global issues. only attended us as talking of these things because i take out injustice where i see i don't pick and choose i see an injustice i speak out and i don't have like i said an agenda i don't have legion says we've big corporations. governing bodies that own armories and 1000000 pound policy makers as well the same situations that julian assange and people a seat of plates an injustice and that is just merely trying to highlight to the world the injustice he's not the whistleblower he was not actually chelsea manning but yet he's condemned he's the one that is put on trial well i mean this man publicly hangover and everybody's watching it happen yeah michel i see understand the ethics of a robot understand the ethics of the world economy i understand the ethics of
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what's going on in the well i don't understand details and he's trying to make a change out of it and it definitely nobody make a change for my people because of i would get another 3 years or 4 years the city called people that i was that to happen again city can would deny those things careless or thank you. but joe minister speaking to going underground every other jolly cook there loves him for the show we're back on saturday the eve of the birthday of nigel rejoin the school year jones founder of britain's 1st major black newspaper the western leaders have until saturday keep in touch with us by olaf social media. imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century what are the chapters called gun violence school shootings homelessness 1st it was my job then it was my fear was dealing with my savings i have nothing i have nothing to lose now i
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don't trust aloof or resources i look for jobs i look for everything i can to make this house. annoying the doing is. the road to the american dream paved with good refugees it's this very idealized image of. americans look pasta the deaths that happen every single day this is a modern history of the usa by america on r.t. . as the kobe facts scene is being rolled out is absolutely necessary to take stock of the economic devastation left in the pandemics way which is the fate of the working middle class will income inequality continue to decrease so full government intervention change the economy and finally does the phrase the new normal mean.
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he's been hit with a prison sentence for insulting the loyal family and glorifying true independence. and. also coming up. child trafficking force labor allegations filed in a lawsuit against some of the world's largest childhood. disturbing. given.


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