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multiple legacies depending on how you view trump there also can be no doubt he changed america and the presidency. to discuss legacies i'm joined by my guest scott ritter and elmore he is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector in new orleans we have brian trasher he is a trunk for president 2020 sarah get and in san diego we have laura frank she is founder and c.e.o. of group bell communications and a democratic strategist all right cross topples in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to scott 1st your son you wrote an article for r t a couple days ago. basically discussing trump's legacy and you wrote this biden will be sworn in as the $46.00 president the united states and in 4 years of an experiment in populist politics headed by trump that was for better or worse unique
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in american history can you elaborate a little bit on that well certainly i mean the moment donald trump came down the escalator in trump tower and announced his candidacy was a can see unlike anything we've seen in modern history i mean we can reflect back on history books in the early 19th century about as ever this is a candidacy modern technology a reality television personality. new york state real estate mogul who under any normal. measurement would never qualify to be the president of the united states and yet he confronted 17 of the republican party's most prominent figures and didn't just defeat them crushed. and you have to ask yourself why did that happen and how did this happen there's 2 i believe there's 2 reasons one is that the republican party was. ineffectual in coming up with
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a counter to. clinton who the democratic party was. in the process of anointing the next president of the united states and there was a lot of anger and resentment in a good segment of the american population that just found that to be and an exceptional outcome and they were looking for you know are an alternative that could defeat hillary clinton at the polls and then the most important one is that american politics has been playing a game of. divide and conquer using the various demographics. i'm not saying that's wrong i mean everybody needs to be represented everybody needs a voice i'm not against you know people saying hey we're under represented but in the process basically wrote off 45 plus percent of the american population had been languishing in a slow economic rut i had news that the democrats are in trouble and don't trump
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was probably going to win the election just talking to firefighters in that in that summer people who are normally so you know moderate democrats people who serve their communities are inclined to believe in service public service all of whom said we've been and we have no voice and i'll tell you when the firefighters say they have no voice in their community did got a problem and said that. we saw something unique in american history where they're meant in the populist. oculus politics and that's just a point in trying here because i agree with everything you just said come back he didn't run govern as a populist that's a that's a problem i have being conservative all right brian you're the transom part of the program here when you what do you think his his legacy is in your mind was not about what he thinks is what he may think his legacy is going broke. well i mean his number one legacy is going to be the man who stopped hillary clinton through
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ever becoming president of the united states which i think most americans would agree would have been a disastrous proposition you know one of the. presents from a early on was relying on people who are kind of insiders in the orange seat to the way. he has his initial instinct his whole career has just been destroyed i'm so with people that are loyal to him that's why you know most of the but were former related to him or it been with him for many many years but when he got into the presidency you know scott. got me to come and he would have been qualified politically while i didn't ever help for but you brought obama has never had a job before he become president only being a state senator u.s. senators only job. ascended to the presidency so i think obama's going to change it again as far as like to image the kind of the presidency meetings where anybody can
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be president now in trying to kind of to be isolation point on that but again going back to your question by the legacy which in my opinion is going to be who took on a small one in the message not so hard to come up with this photo collection which is to try to get rid of them but he's not going away or you know i think you've got a lot of the small glossy go gloves are coming back and the democratic. progress what do you what do you think it like to be and so i think the word that has been missing in the conversation in both the talking about and that that a commentator is inviting us donald trump is not known for populism he's known for white populists he's not known for the politics of division he's known for the politics of racial i mean ultimately this man will be known for burning down the house. using racial division which by the way is as old as time post reconstruction
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in the civil war a concept of whiteness was invented where they told poor white people they would be better off if they leverage their power against black people and now we see that continue today and i agree with you when he came down the escalator he began and that was the through line connected to a number of disparate groups in the republican party which enabled him to go ahead and build that consensus and that critical mass and slay the other candidates on the debate stage he will be remembered for burning the house down both our institutions our international relationships and fundamentally as we saw last week the very colors of our democracy you know we don't have to agree on everything we have to agree that we want to uphold democracy and as he's impeached today he will be you don't impeach for insurrection inciting insurrection something that even within the republican party there are deep deep divisions so that is his legacy a legacy of division
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a legacy of burning down the house the republican house and the american house let me not remember jim crow came from the democratic party but you know you have been i said let's talk about america we don't a point fingers my exwife more hispanics in other minorities know carmen point when they expanded the ted ok for the party for the time being when he got his got i think one thing one of the huge legacy maybe in my mind maybe defining legacy you know it's not really a policy or a say it is that we realize that the country doesn't know much about the other and if they do they don't like what they see. whether there's no doubt that our country is fundamentally broken i mean look i i was only took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states of america against all enemies foreign and domestic and i agree with laura your take on the constitution you're need to go and i think what donald trump did on the when the 6. january was a frontal assault against the constitution united states trying to stop
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a process mandated by the 12th amendment from occurring whether you agree with what they were doing or not doesn't matter the constitution mandated you can't. know but the fact is you know what what what keeps the greens live in the donald trump is dysfunction is the dysfunction of america look innocent dysfunction that goes beyond trump it's this this is it this is a nation that has floundered in terms of representing its population and i think there is no dinner is in a demographic in america doesn't have a legitimate beef against our because government doesn't represent them government represents corporate interests big money and interests center the political parties are bought and paid for citizens united was a state's the real heart of american democracy the fact that we let money run elections means that the people are disenfranchised i'm surprised more people are angered by how we run away actions in america because it is
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a disgrace we you know the way we run elections will not pass muster through state department scrutiny in other nations are brought so it's a joke and you know suggests that's where we're at donald trump basically took over a house that was saturated with gasoline from the actions of his predecessors and unfortunately he lit a match to cut hold you know he's responsible for his actions and he should pay a price for his actions but to pretend this is all because of donald trump is to be ignorant of the reality of american just function it has been going on going for decades and some people will say. birth of our nation because we've been struggling to form a more perfect union the implication being that it's never been a perfect you ranieri i mean why. well you know it's going to be because scott. there's been it we've got points he made that i disagreed with and he told
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me it's too late is $50.00 and you. of everything kind of economy goes so i go when there's a group of points to agree with his overall assessment one thing i want to say is i can't leave in 2021 professional political consultants are still playing the race card as if it's some kind of shit like avenue to accomplish anything the numbers absolutely littering any notion that donald trump is a racist or used racism to succeed in politics as we all know the economy and jim crow laws it is as was said it all came from the democratic party. received more votes from nonwhite voters than any republican in modern history in 2020. also in 2016 so again just moving past that tyrell you know clinton as argument of the regime are out where those white people that stormed the capitol where there are more coalition ok well 1st of all there were it was
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a diverse coalition and we know what the storm happened we now know from surveillance video the capitol police moved a barricade to open the doors and let people in and yes what we now know that was real but you also have people were inside the capitol who are trying to even finish his speech and anybody this is it inciting a riot is being disingenuous on purpose because his exact words were are i know that you'll go down to the capitol peacefully in patriotically and make your voice heard that is not unlikely that is a call for peaceful protest which to be on one hand you flip it all and you're burning the american anger i live on planet earth in iran and iraq you know i watch stand timestamps you be on studio people watching in l.a. before you talking for 20 minutes. talking to my number of you know the you know parlor was you. of wind because that was an alleged they were involved in or allowing people to play on the road when we you know that facebook and twitter had
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terms of it on there and there but what or right. because i went wow i had where i said conspiracy theory when i talk about let me know peter things were going up you heard a great novel go back ok go ahead so what i'm hearing i mean i don't even know where to begin so i'm going to agree with scott that we live in a flawed union and when it went to boil it down to lighting a match obviously one of the great american experiments is how do we take the most diverse nation in the world and comes together in governance and means change peace and order within our own country and then obviously the city on the hill metaphor how do we inspire other countries for democracy you know i will not i will not sign on to america not being deeply flawed but i will say that one of the things we've been able to accomplish from several 100 years is the ability to continue to exist
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welcome back to crossfire of pigs are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing trump's legacy. ok more i want to go back to you i mean you know these these divisions that we have here i mean i think the most fundamental thing that was said in 2016 that is still resonates to this day is trump supporters being called deplorable and i think that's how a lot of trouble supporters see the system ok i mean if we're going to have some kind of of a coming back together healing of wounds i mean trump was very very you know a obstructive i agree with you i mean we probably would agree a lot more than you probably think ok but at the same time he's a symptom of these problems and people feel like they're not being there their problems are not being addressed and it's not race it's class it's the middle class
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police here and there are black people there are there are white people there are there are hispanics not being hired the entire spectrum of american society is in the middle class i wish we could talk about their needs ok go ahead war. you seem to ignore he is his calling cards of white supremacy the word. a that he infuses race into every conversation it's not a dog whistle it's a bull horn and so to ignore that i think just ignores basic facts and again history doesn't ignore we're here to talk about history and legacy history doesn't ignore facts in the way that in a snapshot of time you know electorates do or the media my or whoever you might point to the reality is that he has in a way no other president has stoked racial division and beyond that not only stoke racial division but really focused on his own power and the preservation of that power and the use of race to preserve his own power at all costs that will be his
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legacy fundamentally he has stress tested our democracy and it remains to be seen how well we hold but his legacy fundamentally will be within the republican party and exacerbating those divisions now were we were we did we have a tinderbox prior to his coming absolutely do we have problems with corporate consolidation of power absolutely are there deep challenges that america faces yet we've never had a leader that fundamentally sought to exploit and was willing to burn down the democracy in the process and so i can hear it since well how about how the riots started and who was responsible for that insurrection but one of the interesting things. one of the one of the interesting things is that people and the american people are are near unanimous in their disapproval of what happened last week and within the republican party there are deep divisions as to how to move
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forward because they see that this pursuit of burn down the house is not something that's going to be tenable for them could potentially moving forward i see. relevance and his ability to continue will really sort of fade as he exits the stage and the. resent you won't go away but the reason it will stage is because the incentive of the american people to basically preserve our democracy on some level is going to went out i don't see how you can look at the the vast majority of the american people and their disapproval of essentially a terrorist attack on our capital and say that that that is that trump should be able to continue with that to defend that he say that that's 5 and say that's not going to be his legacy i think nourse the fact that you know you don't get 10 things in your legacy you know when you think about past presidents you think about
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one to 2 items you said george w. bush he had 911 you think iraq war obama you think obamacare and you think financial recovery and you can go down the list president trump will be the incitement of insurrection the erosion of democratic norms the erosion of institutions and the demonization of our democratic institutions that is what he was i mean let's look at some of the institutions that have been changed and i think should be ashamed of themselves and that is the media ok the media wrap himself in glory for 4 years and talk about conspiracy theories well they did rush to gaper years and and divided people when they had that. fake impeachment process against him i'm not defending donald trump i'm defending him yes you are and what they're doing is no we want to have a snap impeachment my goodness how far i haven't heard of any election i mean there
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is no i should interfere at some american democracy i didn't rush over the line because my reporting him over there there was no be rude right everyone equal time and i'm speaking to scott right now thank you. scott what about that because this is this is one of the reasons why you have these approaches of our institutions and people having a very skeptical if not very negative views of our institutions in the media played it deplorable role joining us entire presidency. look when i was in college you know in the mid eighty's given we made here early eighty's actually we were told to subscribe to the washing post in new york times and use a much stronger resources for our government that's that's the esteem that these 2 institutions were held and we could watch dan rather we could watch it walter cronkite and feel comfortable that we were being told you know fact based truth void of substantial spin. that illusion went away when i started working for the
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united nations. you know i would attend a meeting of the security council as a principal meeting to talk about me things i've done i'm given the brief. then i would read about it this meeting the same meeting in the new york times the next day realizing that america representatives snuck out and told a completely different story to new york times ran with it at that point i realized that these institutions are about headline grabbing about gaining readership and they do that by exploiting their connection with the establishment i saw this working for n.b.c. news and their close relationship with the white house the media has never been about telling the truth the media has always been about sustaining its own relevance using sources for their own benefit and this is becoming worse in the 24 hour news cycle where it's no longer about news it's about entertainment it's about spinning events in
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a manner which entertains an audience of missions so that they tune in on a daily basis donald trump was a boon for the media you know that the trunk show was something the media exploited to the mutual benefit of the media and donald trump if you don't think and if it if they're rushing you're not paying attention to what's going on because he was able to play off of this narrative to create parts owner of a resistor and her taking on the machine etc he fed off of this media is this scene in the united states the media today now is doing the same thing. i don't know the truth of precise narrative of the pins on january i don't know what i watched on t.v. i only know what i saw aileen only congress was convened to carry out a task mandated by the 12th amendment of the constitution that i took an oath to uphold and defend with my life and i know that a crowd rushed the capitol where there was before down trying to speak in or after
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it doesn't matter their purpose was to serve out a constitutionally mandated task of government that is an insurrection and it was promoted by the president body else that is sedition and is the legacy of donald. maybe history will show through some investigation that he is blameless and i this is why i'm sort of against this rush to impeach is this isn't a trial this isn't about learning the truth this is about establishing the facts this is about growing a man. so that once in his tenure as president ends he will have no. a little leadership that's what this is about maybe he deserves that outcome but you know as somebody who believes in the constitution i believe in due process and before we condemn this man before we you know send him to a life. we might want to let due process play out he seems guilty in my mind. well you were there who are more the law ok right one of the things that you know
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when me we looked and we insurrection and all this kind of language here i mean what did we see all summer long across american cities ok i mean mostly peaceful protesting ok i mean that was disgusting to watch and and the media gave it a free pass they actually could justify including well that's a form of preparations ok i mean this is just ridiculous you have the rule of law or you don't have the rule of law the people that rioted in the in the count but will she be held accountable the she put on trial and they should go to prison ok and i hope they do i hope they're named in shame but i wish the people that get all the the looting and the arson you know wherever have that for wendy's franchise i bet they would like to know who burned down their franchise and how those people held accountable so not countability ok and agency go ahead from. morning t.v. and last night are. dozens of american cities in 20 twentieth's exactly 29 he managed
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the nomination of justice. when before isn't it going to not only did it immigrants jump start line it does. is mitt really old woman with more older story than swiss cheese to try to shore oil her good man and become a perfectly good supreme court justice and not only that not only the democrats call for ashing and they call her people dislike congress and democrats were presumably democrats but left wing jurist to go over in the hart senate office building senators were locked in their offices the good come out because judy at last into all the crowd and they were trying to destroy a constitutional process of confirming a supreme court justice the media said nothing about insurrection is and nothing about it's happening not received by the way living republican mark i'm cringing to hear the word modesty but all that preceded it the whole year. and
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then all of a just as everybody was wouldn't you what you were just loyalists with no chorus you know is shorting the whole body trying to blunder a lot of it in turn it into us somebody was it. ended up burning american cities burning businesses and ground killing cops and the democrats cheer them on as col arison wants to be the next vice president of the united states started a fund to bail out people who wear the jackie gleason burning down buildings as a product property. people said all property can be replaced lives can't will that might be true intelligent people that own the property and get insurance can be and have been the time for larger messiahs as a rat to. learn how to get over trumps legacy 30 seconds you. i think we have to see the republican party renew itself you know i'm a democrat but i would like to see a strong adversary on the other side and what we have seen is someone who has directed the republican party to destroy democracy small democracy we live in
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a democracy it's a republic but it's also a democracy and so i think the health of the republican party is going to be critical so what happens in these next couple of weeks what we see with mcconnell as he looks at his legacy and we see these other republicans look inward and say just like scott you know is this is this a country is this the leadership that i want to leave behind so that the health of the republican party is going to be important and i think accountability is critical to this is run out of time i hope that both parties will reform themselves or else we're going to continue down this endless cul de sac i want to thank my guests i want to thank our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember. you know this is a theme that is always fascinated how markets can attract investors who are
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investing in destruction of their own country or their own communities it's like similar to the business model of the mafia you know when they burn down a restaurant than they collect on the insurance etc. the war in syria has lasted longer than world war 2. who has been suffering the most in almost a decade long conflict regular syrian people. to them when you were running if you were the brain. i could see everything with my own eyes tear into stories of its residents one group in particular. unwinds of syrian man of the apostles and. they were good to students can look up to its english national just one of its.
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millions of users and even global leaders flock to privacy centric messaging apps like telegrams amid concerns over data sharing that as of facebook and twitter are hit by scandals over censorship. there is anger over u.s. media suggestions that donald trump's supporters are a cult who need deprogramming like extremists. just cannot wipe out the whole 75000000 people that it or agree with everything on america. and the shifty vaccine advice in norway as 13 people die after receiving the pfizer.


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