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it's still luzhin it's a mental illness. or one of mine from flesh or from my flesh she shall be called woman push she was taken out. because there's survival guide ecstacy just like all the stars simply have to service. those who don't stand a. space missions to look at the rest of seventy. villages that kaiser is worth so. we came here where did you work before you came here when you live well death row in many us states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor of the death penalty there are some people because of what
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they do have given up their rights as live among us some even proven innocent years on death row and more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about. hello and welcome to cross talk about all things considered i'm peter lavelle is it finally over have we finally reached the expiration date of the russia gate conspiracy hoax probably not by definition conspiracy theorists are never satisfied but a few things are for sure confidence in government has taken a hit and the reputation of the media may never be redeemed.
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talking russia gate i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri he is a political analyst with sputnik international in london we crossed alexander mackerras he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com and in new york we have don de bar he's an anti-war activists and host of a daily radio program hi gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate alexander mackerras let me go to you in london happy no collusion day i think we'll make it an official holiday all right. but. you know you wrote to me earlier this was the biggest fishing expedition that caught no fish at all except for and we'll talk about it with dmitri bob h. it's still russia's fault that's what the report says i was going to be curious you have a great legal mind can you just sum it up if possible i know you read the report
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last night go ahead. yes i read the report i phone it relentlessly hostile to donald trump in a way that i actually i found slightly shocking you have the first part of the report in which are and he's team look of follow up every suggestion of contacts between the russians and the donald trump campaign and you get almost a sense of disappointment when they repeatedly come up with nothing and then the second part of the report is an extraordinary academic exercise i should say a flawed academic exercise in my opinion in which outbursts of anger on the part of an innocent man to say don't drum of construed as some sort of attempted to obstruction even though there is actually no attempts to impede miller and his team in doing anything and none of the threats that donald trump talks about from
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toronto on the bow sacking will ever actually amount to anything so i mean i found it actually a rather disturbing document but the important point to get to get to understand is that even this extremely aggressive very hostile team of investigators clearly out to find something against donald trump and to create some kind of collusion narrative are in the end unable to do so and they can't even convincingly construct an obstruction narrative on ever dream of but it's also clear in the report that russia is culpable to one degree or another they're pretty murky in talking about connections to we keep leaks and then there are the parts that have to do with g.r.u. that's what they call the russian agencies redacted so it's pretty much a mystery right there but it's very leading isn't it go ahead demon. well not only
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the part about you is redacted there is a whole page devoted to you again you pretty gorgeous in that scene is to cuckoo from the kremlin. back to the american election and you only have the name. in there and the rest of the page is just black and so it was hilarious story that but i think even more if you areas you know for the financial times has the least all of the cases of russian involvement in the election and i'm just going to go with it because i can't quote of course the whole report but it's pretty much it's pretty precise so these russian efforts consisted in invitations for campaign officials hundred percent of the us or the russian government to meet invitations for kenya to trump and putin to meet in person and this is the most awful thing board you see position seek an improved u.s. russian relations all fool you know all fool and the biggest crime i mentioned
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in this report is that curial dimitrios you know the head of russian agency for their act investment has gone and all of this from president putin to seek reconciliation with the united states so this is just awful and the report says you know the whole business listen to some of mr conversations and he called putin the boss you know a russian state official called the boss he's a criminal all the misery you know the united states doesn't have to worry about getting involved in the wars in libya in iraq. this is not important ok is important is that he called putin the boy and he wanted to improve russia u.s. relations ok if not i got you don this is taxpayers' dollars at work here i mean this is trivial i mean it's worse than trivial because it really showed the find out to what degree the government tried to. did invent all of this against donald
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trump i mean with that team that miller had and it's expense account and they give us this dribble go ahead on. it's worth a lot worse if you ponder what what the miter just said. and then read further into the say just inside the executive or scene of the thing where they do interpretation. one of one of the it's like self throws it so that the kremlin had motive to do this thing because they felt that trump would have a more favorable foreign policy towards russia then clinton would well you know clinton's foreign policy could be deduced from the foreign policy that was in place while she was secretary of state when her husband was president then well you bomb administration was in power which is the movement of troops of material up to russia's borders while the war game from the baltics the korean peninsula to me
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that looks extremely intimidating and someone that would recommend that there was some other way of engaging between the u.s. and russia suddenly that's evidence of a crime or of a mindset for a crime rather than sanity i mean that all by itself isn't even subtle and it's a frightening thought but as terms of proof what they were referring to both and you're at the mitri you have. a situation. if there were it's akin to saying hillary clinton prefers to sleep with goats we have photographs she exhibit a if you go it would have been a unit shows you know reactor. b. ok elegant alexander the the it's really quite amazing if you watch c.n.n. and embers and d.c. it's is it is as if the last two and a half years didn't happen because now it's all about obstruction i mean there's no
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reflection there's no inward looking they botched this i mean fuel that are and create this this hoax that is very dangerous for international affairs i mean you know we've seen that we're in a new cold war i mean that's and it's because of all of this it in something that was completely invented out of nothing so now it's obstruction gate and we're going to get two more years of that i'm sick and tired of this story no evidence stop it it's move on go ahead in london. what the obstruction and i absolutely agree with you i mean i personally think that he's going to be impossible to sustain substantiate to sustain this instruction argument for any length of time and say that because the what and he's people have done is that they've parodied all out with very very very complicated legal arguments full of sawing taishan of
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cases all intended to make it look very impressive in reality on the anybody who understands this area of the law can see one through it very very fast the fact is there was no underlying crime and i think that's absolutely clear if you look at the first vote at the report the second part is donald trump was clearly an innocent man out knew he was an innocent man and thirdly he didn't actually do anything i mean he threatened and talked and stay. thundered about it but nothing actually happened because he would give instructions to various people they would refuse to carry them out because i'm pretty sure they knew that they weren't to be taken seriously and in the end donald trump pulls back and miller goes on unimpeded and gets everything heals school there's apparently no use of executive privilege privilege to withhold things roll him he's able to see
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everything he's able to do everything he gets donald trump that he doesn't really like but you know that's donald trump's privilege as somebody under interrogation act you know the end of the day you simply can't see obstruction here there's no real evidence of it so i think if the democrats in the media want to flowing with this one they're just not going to get anywhere with it because it is the the american people are going to be a tool interested in something that never happened yeah something that never happened to put to conceal a conspiracy which didn't exist yet it is it's really the highest level of of being in denial because if the underlying narrative main is maintained that well we don't know exactly what it did and we can't really show you but it's their fault in a way it keeps this ridiculous narrative going because they have nowhere else to go
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because they're not going to apologize for what they did. well basically i don't want our viewers to get an impression that we justify everything and drum deity or no no no do you consider him a good further out of that now basically if you hang on to my debts a really good point here we could make a lot of programs what donald trump has done wrong and and his illegal foreign policy we could go on and on and on about that but this is about the rule of law keep going to. actually do what we're seeing is a clash between two. very bad factions i'm sorry it's like hitler having a conflict with a room the kind of storm troopers in one thousand and thirty four war trump and his opponents were very aggressive in their foreign policies they basically destroyed several country as well just didn't destroy any new ones but he continued to operate the so-called operations in syria and in many other places but what happened is that basically we have these these factions clash and and they use
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ridiculous arguments i mean from this report the most interesting part for me was what actually michael flynn was talking about with the russian ambassador sergey tease that you know we were told that this was terrible that this was treason you know flynn misinform the vice president actually try to talk the russians into v two in pulling in every occasion which was good for israel ok sure good for him i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the russia gate ochs stay with r.t. . this drug works ok we're for books with the undercity to
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welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle truman you were discussing the russia gate hoax. you know down in the you know where in the report that we do we learned that the. people looked into the f.b.i. not taking a look at the. and see servers and if we could get that whole issue resolved definitively then it would take on a very different direction but we don't get there and i get the impression that they're relying upon crowd strike which is obviously a tainted organisation so will someone of the most fundamental simple things to resolve was not even looked into and not resolved go ahead don well. first of all alexander had kharab salute correct the. emphasis on the fact that
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this whole thing is taking place in front of the american public does nothing to address the actual concerns of the american public they could care less about russia good they want to know you know where the next meal is coming from and how their rent their mortgage going to be to college tuition to their health care and the democrats are serving up still russia gade moeller and all that i think that it's very very important to understand the significance of the declaration by bar that he's now going to be looking into the other side of the coin which is you know what your it's a meeting should have been done inside of this study that is you almost in plain view you had a privately assembled funded by the d.n.c. and by one of the republican candidates a smear report on trump that was shepherded to the f.b.i.
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and use that as the basis for fraud in the inducement basically on the pfizer ort to get a warrant to wiretap trumps a campaign which put the obama administration which was actively campaigning for when in the position of having access to all of trump's communications that is something that you know makes watergate look pale yeah so what happened here and that investigation is just about to begin you know a few months out from the beginning of the twenty twenty alexion. so i think that if trump is able to satisfy the economic concerns of enough people in the right places you know. whatever it was they used and ammar of this the through the media with as much as they can get it out i don't see how the democrats have a chance to win next year unless they come across with some of these little actually satisfy people's needs is that it or rush ok once
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a jumping ahead i mean their media. struct injustice you know he basically tried to obstruct the investigation of something that never happened that's going to do it with russia right so that is absurd but what we're seeing now is basically the media obstructing justice because a lot of gave this press conference minutes before releasing their report and all of the media lashed out at him for what for saying that probably they were going to investigate the investigators that they were going to find out who started the whole contusion thing which is a very nature will move and bar did nor did not in a new way distort the east and some of the report they didn't fight and they didn't find any evidence of collusion but the media just at dak bar and i think it was a classic case of us obstructing justice before that justice was even nolens to be served you know alexander donald trump throughout this time period and his
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lawyers called it a witch hunt i think the term will stay in vogue because that's exactly what the media's going to say is investigating the investigators basically the obama administration they're going to call that a witch hunt and i think they will will get still very skewed coverage of it and don de bar is absolutely right people are not interested in this story they're being forced being forced to listen to it and to do get involved in this. political battle but the democrats have against this duly elected president so alexander i mean the the the media and the democrats they don't want the other shoe to drop they don't want the best for gators to be investigated that's the only part of this whole tragedy that i am interested in because all of us on this program found this hoax to be ridiculous from the get go go ahead in london what it will indeed and i mean and do or don't is absolutely right about this because of course
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so many of the things that we are i would judge important on all actually in the report i mean to give you an example christopher steel and he's famous dossier which played such a big role in so many of the media stories back in two thousand and seventeen and which is used to obtain the finds of warrants on cancer page it's barely mentioned i mean you don't have an admission for example the this report played it any role to all triggering the investigation and that is mean and very far right so it's as if it didn't exist and all the many of the sort of catalogue of characters. were involved in investigating this report in some tangential way then only then will mention only that so that of course we need to
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see prawle put investigation into how this whole thing to call for in the way that it did leading to a report a four hundred twenty two page report after i mean must be tens of thousands of hours of investigations millions of dollars the intellect political system of the you know he states paralyzed foreign policy held hostage russian american relation . ans brought crisis or to achieve nothing nothing because there was nothing and that really want to be something people should see looking into and of course you're absolutely right the media will oppose it for oceans slee. it's that the witch hunt allegation will now sleep to the other side though with flawless justice because there's no doubt until the certain very unattractive things happen you know
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john i watched bars testimony in front of congress and he said really. very clearly and with great deal of confidence that trump administration had been spied upon now i don't know if our viewers saw the entire testimony but at the very end it congressman want to do you really want to change that word maybe you want to sit in the buying and bar the only adult in the room and it's refreshing to have an adult in the room for a change because we haven't seen him for a long long time he said no you can also bail inspiring whatever you want to god but we're going to look into that we're definitely going to look into i thought half the room was going to faint because we have enough we have enough evidence already in the public realm to know that that is that exactly what happened we just need to connect all the dots and and have a a grand jury and start the investigation they now it's their turn to do some talking go ahead don. and see the this advantage that
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the perpetrators of that. face the the disadvantages position that they occupy. basically rests on the fact that what they've done was assemble into a sworn affidavit is submitted to a court rather than a bunch of hearsay and collateral references to computer put in st petersburg and key. wherever else these various communications were supposed to take place in other words rather than just some amorphous allegations that can get strung together in a timeline that looks impressive but rests on no factual evidence there is an affidavit sworn to you know with no to or with the notary at the end of it submitted to a court that could be presented these people actually did say these things to all
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court and here is the court order that they received that allowed them to wiretap and here's the wiretaps these things exist in the material world and they can be dragged into a court room or before congressional committee and they can be exposed to the world and those things in my estimating that's looking at it right now but i think i see serial felonies there were helping a whole lot of players including a lot of people in congress who covered or did what knowledge of it and people in the media as well you know there was a conspiracy actually a grand conspiracy on a scale that we have never seen before and that it was to undermined a candidate in the in the opposition and a duly elected president this is far far bigger than watergate you know and when people say oh there's no comparison there is a comparison and and watergate was a small beer ok because this is that they are of all conspiracies and it's really
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real daemon go ahead. i agree with you completely about also taking on water and xander sad about the damage that material damage done by the investigation it's not only thirty five million dollars which were paid for it officially it's not only a thousand so what can also join this you know the new york times sent a team to prague to find out if trump's official madelyn the russian representative that they can have a cap and also don't forget. there are sanctions imposed on russia biggs exactly a collusion and the sanctions if we take into account the slavish polish of the european union which also impose sanctions these sanctions according to u.n. estimates cost about one hundred billion dollars to that to the western wall to the european union and of course billions of dollars to russia so basically it's
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the damage from all of this story is huge and unfortunately it continuous you know right before the report was released stephan call and published a very good piece in the nation where he singled out three markers of wise that's what i would call it markers of allies he hasn't yet read the report he couldn't afford a report by that time but he said that if the all the narrative about comparing russia gate to. harbor continuous if the so-called steel door see a continuous and if they continue to suspect people who met russians or who talked about drums business in russia to suspect them of crimes that means the whole story continues and unfortunately this is true you know every media outlet after the release of the report we've had the same stories in the press mentioning again michael cohen who who is now in jail in part because he did not reveal all the
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details about i'm quoting him. you know discussing gifted russia's president vladimir putin and fifty million penthouse of them has already resigned out of the game ever could have russia germany would have run out of time and this is it would be funny if it weren't tragic here many thanks to my guests here in moscow in london and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember rostov was.
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my body told me that i belong with the boys but my thoughts my mind was and then along with the girls. of the surgery still be a very popular. person doctor. i was born a male had a sex change when i was thirty years old. i've now been living as a woman for twenty eight years and i fully recreate this. problem should have gone away from it by now but they hadn't so these surgeries are nothing more than plastic surgery i've had several female to male friends and you look at it and you just go oh god you paid for that it's horrible nobody can change genders it's impossible. is still luzhin it's a mental illness. this is now one of my own flesh and from my flesh she shall be called woman pushy was taken down from
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a. white house did last week sort of increase the level of chaos across libya even if you win strictly that chaos will continue because there will be pockets of very very intensive existence for him across the country and i think i'm afraid like everybody else that this chaos longs for a while is going to attract more extremists from around africa and that leads to a. the much hyped similar report dispelled two years of media speculation on trump russia collusion that hasn't silence the attacks on the us president with the democrats finding a new angle. no collusion no obstruction of president crafting ph in the destruction of justice certainly obstructed justice multiple attempts by the pros.


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