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the police officers don't beat people anymore i mean it just doesn't happen really in the course of interrogation why because there's been this said lightman no because the psychological techniques are more effective in obtaining confessions than physical abuse. yet in the case of frank stirling only his confession was filmed but the video speaks for itself the two policemen had applied the read method as well as some of their own making. they offering coffee and donuts to prepare frank sterling for his final declaration of guilt but what had gone on before. i remember the. shoulders. trying to be all buddy buddy and we're here for. like.
adrenaline rush and all that. you're not listening to me. over and over it's like ok i'll give you what you want well they had this weird interrogation technique in your case that i've never seen before since where there robin is feeding rubbing his back and having him lie on the floor put his feet up on the chair and whispering in his ear you know picture yourself out of the crime scene now picture the victim here she comes what do you do you know all this kind of really hypnotic kind of suggestion in the video the confession is just the acceptable face of what happened during the interrogation. to help frank admit to the crime he didn't commit one of the offices is rubbing his shoulder as the other is holding his hand. if you can. does it you can.
right. here and speak up. sort of like you're floating he said on the chair but you're you don't as if you feel like you're sitting at a chair no weight any shoulders. no stars no way. to look at a body. why does someone consists of a crime that she didn't do. you know lesbian so tired really like four hours sleep. you know for three days and like.
i just want to go on or sleep you know. yes i was very. prejudices your finals are difficult for you ok. if something happened with them. yesterday. one of. the ratio yes even when you're learning. talking. religion is difficult for. regime leaders emerge from. this. area. yet. this form of questioning shows how an
innocent man can be made to confess with no recourse whatsoever to violence psychology has thus become a powerful weapon in the hands of the police and frank was one of its deliberate victims. to prevent any possible excesses has given rise to a new kind of specialist the lawyer expert. it's even inspired hollywood and its popular series lie to me because. certainly the small psychologist helps result crimes by observing body language and facial expressions it may be human nature for the truth is written for all of us. stand walters has been a lie expert for the past twenty five years. like to say i'm taking
a little trip inside the swamp of their brain. in a morning around a swamp and i'm fighting the rotten stuff and trying to rag an elf for four of the people. who will to his crisscrosses the united states to spread the basics of good interrogation techniques to the police. his unique methods upset many of the theories online including those of his pia's. here in texas they did a study on interrogation training and they tested years officers ability to spot deception and use it to training courses and they brought them back and test them again what they found one hundred ninety officers never got better in an improved after two courses they looked at the content of courses and found those courses were perpetuating the myths stem malta's campaigns against preconceptions and received ideas. very little body language has anything to with the steps in
question arms what else. could it what is because a hand up golden haze or the other was the legs sitting on hands wrapping feet around a chair holding on cos of the angles of the chair no correlation deception. and possibly stress but there is no difference whatsoever and when i contact liars make it a truth tellers and no connection. and now the myth the myth of i move a little left looking right and i'm swimming against the tide and i get academies that hate me for this and kids my. kids are doing a disservice teaching again and again and again trained officers who thought their greatest bottom line before and worse in civilian population and had no training in deception which tells you what about training. the general. robin about his method
is together a bundle of clues based on behavior and language which could indicate a suspect may be lying beyond any stress he may be feeling. as well known people such as bill clinton has seen lying to the entire nation when he claims he never had sexual relations with white house intern monica lewinsky. i never told anybody to lie there wasn't so much is deception here with president clinton other then there were some symptoms it tows he would be totally open one he refers to monica lewinsky is that one that is a very typical depersonalization its way of separating oneself and being above or outside the realm or better than that the other one is his emotion and using it is a parent's payslips persian is the hostility of anger then a split second when he turns to walk away watch with a smile and not
a single time. these allegations are false and you go back to work. switch from anger to smile another is courtney love suspected of being a drug addict now ron nothing to that and that i'll know how my god i'm going to ask a lot of questions that people think now my parents that out and out with courtney love you see shock when she's asked about their own question was a good stress marker because see her aversion to body away get multiple answers if she has a good strong cause to be avers was consistent was only being deceptive that you and later we know that she has had a long history of drug abuse from. you on nothing now so the first question is very general you know nothing today no and barbara asked. a more pointed question now you see you react no more heroin and
you are about to jump wrong nothing today and that no. sears educated face expression the large eyes from a shock response of the question miss when stones are so much as if i were the interviewer that means i would follow up on her own questions that's a simple me of of incriminating potential my god i'm going to ask you all the questions that people think and i want her on that and watch her body back. and away from barbara and multiple no answers. or. a notice we haven't really answered their own question you're back to project and should ask your very pointedly have you ever done drugs in front of your children and watch the huge reaction again an apparent cluster behaviors of deception evident on it's a fan of your chats like caught out of class how to make sure that i'm not looking for meth but again body language is got
a large margin of error so i'm looking in groupings and looking for it to be consistent so if i'm there when issue comes up to keep getting these powerful responses and i keep getting similar cluster behaviors of that any stress or cause to behavior that we think art and put some point concession deception. on stem alters criticizes the most is the obsession the police have with obtaining a confession at the cost of the investigation this is what happened in the little town of camden may not console in early august two thousand and six when the body of eleven year old katie was found in the small hills. she'd been suffocated using a plastic bag. after a botched investigation detectives determined the murder had to have been inside the house. in fact any katie's mother melody and twelve year old brother thomas
were inside. when the police arrived the military was hysterical while thomas seemed quite calm. cool when thomas's moya believes the police became fixated with his behavior which they judged as to come and convince them that thomas had killed his sister. economic down in the find out. the deal shanghai and the rest. will be if we. meanwhile in vietnam call count the former general director of bank financial faces
the death penalty for embezzling five hundred thirty three billion dollars. that's about twenty five million dollars jumpshot survive on cox and now also this week a former u.s. senators are going faster complaining or committing some horrific deadly money printing since many more dogs than five hundred thirty billion were embezzled from the american people according to andrew hoods our good minute to a gruesome bond buying spree that had financially butchered main street america their bloated carcasses fed to the gluttonous money changers and derivative devils on wall street i'm sorry said the repent of quantitative easing are all. americans also came up with another reason to reach a democracy people wanting to be listening to people wanting to be free you reach is also you know part of the message of they have revolution. to use.
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destroying what our founding fathers once my job market and on this show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going on in the world we go beyond identifying the problem of trucks rational debate and a real discussion critical issues facing america if i ever feel ready to join the movement then walk a little bit to. the first thing that went wrong is that as soon as the police got to the house they decided thomas had committed this crime that was their first error and then everything they did after that just compounded the error. thomas was twelve years old at the time today he is nineteen. and the police pressure he confessed to everything and was sent to prison. the supreme court would
overturn the sentence two years later after the details of his interrogation were revealed. the video recording of the interview was appalling. the pictures caused the worst police scandal in the history of the state of arkansas. time to call it alice. alice out of state plates. i think in december some of the stuff. and i'm going to tell pages like it is your boy archie. while we're pretty intelligent. and the viral irony is nobody broke in. there's no indication a break here. so your sister died and it was only two people in the us it could kill. he. that's the only way i can be book right oh i don't like your shit ok the tone is set right from the start the police never questioned
thomas about his movements all the facts but are relentless convinced of his guilt the basic era which should never happen during questioning so i was scared then i was going to. didn't know what to do just there things were so fast and we just sat there for hours. not knowing what was going to happen. just i was lost it's no longer an interrogation but a never ending series of accusations. that would leave a man almost intelligent. well. rick. oh i don't know i didn't want to know. why did. i want it if your mother didn't leave i don't care.
so i thought the police and tell me the truth so i just. don't remember doing it. but scott so confused and i can't talk to the person and. the police use the smallest details of the boy's life to further incriminate him has your problem right here. keisha but my medication. do you think if you know. did you. deliberately gate but i really think that you are going to feel yourself. and to help yourself you're going to hear it is.
hard. like. most kids would have confessed to this crime a lot saying it's a it's absolutely amazing that he was able to withstand their. badgering of him as long as he dead. the constant harassment has a name the police call it quote cooking over a small fire the officers leave the room and leave thomas to stew on his own there's no need for physical pressure as the suspects imagination runs wild as to what would happen if he doesn't confess the tactic works inside the mind of the twelve year old kid. was shaken nerves sweat and cry and. this is an emotional breakdown. confused by the accusations
make thomas confess so they turn on his mother melody. she's bipolar and hasn't taken her medicines for six months but the police focus their questions on getting her to point the finger of blame at her own son. when we really know he hollered and he went he got on life after her and it strained her and he waited. and i was having. any kind out here you know i had to write. i don't remember but i think. i did it it was. ya know. sure. it was they didn't notice it was gone but as soon as my mother does who's there to help me but she betrayed me very much for
of. for once threw me into the cops and said he did it. they're going their own. ways you know my car they are currently waiting for you. back here. as his mother condemns him thomas' interrogation continues this time off camera half for a while thomas finally says i'm hungry i haven't had anything to eat all day and then they turn off the tape and they take him in the other room for the next three and a half hours they interrogated thomas just like they had been doing on tape but now they were off they could do what they wanted they could say what they wanted and there was no evidence of what they did or what they said. turning into
a girl and he saw talking to me tell me that it was only me who could have that if i do not confess before he left he was going to give me the death penalty. so he left and i got scared i called him back in there and by then i realized no way i was going to leave without telling them i did it. to tell me if i had just told them the truth for what they wanted to hear i could go home so i gave them a story. and they said that and so they added beats bits and pieces for me to add in my story to look fit what they wanted it to. and that's when they took me back on camera. off an hour later he's like an automaton that repeats everything the police have told him to confess. so i.
contact thomas regarding his interview and they want to use it as an example of how not to interview a child and i think that's very telling. now after his admission the police leave thomas on his own to confront his mother. he whispers in her ear that he didn't kill his sister before declaring his guilt out loud.
then he consults. to the state investigation into the murder of young katie remains unresolved. the reason the questioning of thomas went so badly is that the police are still focusing on confessions rather than evidence. of the three hundred one prisoners on death row or serving life sentences in the united states that were later proved innocent about ninety had made full scum fissions during interrogations that had been wrongly conducted.
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