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have a pal or storage. or c. . that's why i. was like a wake up call i mean as i could i would have been submerged in the stonewalling efforts of my government of my colleagues there get go. i'm going along with that stonewalling and do placing these obstacles in the way. of these attorneys who are trying to get information. nearing the end of my tour there. are sometimes going to be done that's going to be done by me and has been have a short amount of time to do it. bob or all sense he wants the next i know where i
get the next. inspect your bags they look at your things and you have something like that. they're going to prosecute you and i knew i made a list of names they're not all let me off the howling with that. this so you figure out a way you know how my going to get off the island. and that's when i decided i would minimize regular pieces of paper. good enough to where i could put it in a card and mail it off the island. my thinking was in when i went through the postal system was that whoever's handling that card would if it's a little bit thick would think that maybe it's photos or something inside of it. which is not uncommon and i just happened to be since it was january the next holiday coming up was found last day so when i went shopping at this change for my card it ended up in the be distributed chihuahua dog.
and i wasn't sure i was going to do it i mean it was just something i stayed awake at night sometimes think and you know should i go through with the show now. i'm putting my own future on the line plus. my wife's my daughter's the three individuals compared to five hundred fifty plus. i'm going to leave. they're going to be left behind and maybe never have their day in court. and i retrieved the list put it in the card. office down to the post office box. meanwhile it spends his fourth year in guantanamo neither the german nor the turkish government have intervened on his behalf. i really saw it but nobody out there knows knew about glen tunnel and its prisoners.
going to get. they told me you will stay here forever you will never go home. for washington two thousand and four year current journey had been along with her lawyer she drew public attention to the breach of law and her son's fate. as a housewife i was terrified of all the cameras. i'd rather not talk. to the actress vanessa redgrave told me don't be afraid to wear with you. is an idea. i mean it's clearly inhumane how they treat their their prisoners. for over a year robbie a corner rallied in vain for her son until in november two thousand and five she gained a powerful ally since she wasn't even a german citizen it was convenient to say we don't want it back that's what they
stuck with but chancellor merkel disagreed with this policy and said i will put it into this and bring this young man home and then one day he finally arrived here on the plane. my family was waiting for me. i saw my mother first she locked me in her arms go with me anymore. she also cried. tears of joy. it was beautiful beyond words and i can't describe it i was detained and tortured as now i was a free man again. everything stayed the same except for some experiences that i don't share with my family because they don't want to hear about them.
because going into pakistan to fight the usa alongside the taliban in afghanistan. ruby occur nurse believes that mertz new arab friends made him lose his way. he wouldn't tell me much but sound mind didn't brainwash him. first so i know full well but my mother told the media things that the americans then used against me the most on. they were unsubstantiated things she just said because she thought it would help bring me
home soon or. i might have a while so i confronted him i said was it my fault that you were away and hand sorry yes it was. but as a mother i just wanted to bring home the. old year later after i left it like many. officer was alerted there was an investigation and now is the focus of at. that point any ok this is not. the list that i sent this is relating to that list. when they interrogated me they proceeded to take major case prints of my fingers my hands my palms to compare
to the documents that they retrieved. and then they put me through a series of handwriting samples. so i could do the return address of get no in writing. twenty different times. and who is going to be a serious chain of events to. if i got court martialled going to impact me i'd be prosecuted but it's not going to impact. my wife my daughter. jury came back with compiler for six months. smack her dismissal and i mean it was clear to me ok that's it retirements gone this is a life off thing so no income. immediately after i was taken only and locked up and separated from my family. went to the
confinement facility. that's where they came with the waist band with the chains and the cuff my hands together for me and stay away from five am till lights out at ten pm trying to stay awake and just staring straight at the wall i mean the chipped paint and. the primer and different colored paint beneath it start taken on characters and you name i start to lose a name in and i think i started dreaming. now . stripped all the way down fall needed each other they can inspect my body they take their sweet time out it. it's part of the humiliating effect that they try to have on people. i mean i was there and recreate the wheel when it created point on a morning to use what they typically use in prisons barbara testified as
a witness for the government against matt diaz during his trial after receiving his list she had turned it over to the state authorities. thought it was a hoax. for months the u.s. government was facing relentless criticism over torture allegations at abu ghraib and guantanamo. they decided it was time for damage control. in a carefully orchestrated press conference they aim to demonstrate that there was no connection between the abuses at abu ghraib and government policy and that the aggressive techniques at guantanamo came from the bottom up and not the white house . to prove their point they released a confidential memo and carried a single signature. of course my memo was right there clearly the intent was
to shift the blame well of course i thought it was my duty and it didn't bother me at all to put in writing but then you see as it went up the chain all these other senior lawyers never put a thing in writing and so you think. ok i guess they were smart i was stupid but i never thought about any sort of political ramifications or i mean i always thought about was supporting my command but that's what put me out in the press and the critics you know the criticism and books and every torture book you can think of and every you know it's it's horrible from that standpoint that i'm taking the heat for the administration. to be really media star did you expect that your opinion would not be the one that would be relied on that it knows are in fact one of the rio sure you oh sorry my question was were i'm sorry were you surprised that your opinion became the opinion that was relied upon to shock i never received a phone call i never received an e-mail i never received anything asking me
anything like are you a lunatic what were you thinking or you know great opinion or i received nothing you come across in this is being eager to have these techniques used and it says under category to using detainees phobias such as fear of dogs. now i'm trying to figure out as a lawyer how removal of clothing and using fear of dogs does not invision naked people by the way the hoods in their two naked people having dogs ticked on and that would have never happened i mean that's just not professional that indicates something but it did happen it did not happen man well dogs were used with naked people doubt that it happened if an investigator found that it happened i not disputing that i'm just saying i was not aware of it at the time when you said this . what. i what i meant was i didn't
prove anything i wrote a legal opinion so whatever the command. it would be applied in a manner to prevent it from being used abusively. i understood at the time i was hung out with. the role you played in this. it would not have been appropriate for me to simply say no legal objection or no comment there is no pressure. there was no pressure it was generated by me and my staff thank you do you think. that the techniques that we're talking about in guantanamo bay. migrating to iraq. the commission free cretaceous three cones for charges free. range minced free risk free
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to prove. a pleasure to have you with us here on t.v. today. finds it hard to make a life for himself. you armor i turn us on sure. it's been years i saw you in civi you had a long period. of us that is if you look kind of rough yes. so how are you doing it's been a while since then. did you ever think of changing your name. oh yes. i do have the right to do that. i could change the name my mother and
father gave me. i don't want to do that. you don't change it you are innocent after all and for me it's not a matter of being ashamed of it but it is hard to find a job. and if someone came to me for work i'd say ok brother i'll give you some work. but when i hear the name murat kurnaz. i would be scared. oh well that's obvious since you don't know me. maybe you're being watched and then my place would be watched to my customers might be annoyed and yeah that happens to me all the time. no. go for drop the kids.
i feel frozen. but in some point you do have to leave on time to mow the hind. what am i to do for the rest of my life i'm too young to just be retired. i knew if i owned my own business i had to do something that i would be good at that. here too far out. there. doing it. well dog day care business is i had a standard operating procedure that was approximately four hundred pages long they're covered everything you could think of and i thought well this is probably meant for me because this is something i understand and also be you know a structure.
when i got back from prison i was being stripped of all of my credentials as qualified lawyer. no longer allowed to practice in any capacity. and to that the conviction hard to find employers that will take you. for my colleagues their team somebody no longer associate with. them it's basically a person. who's been foreclosed the car has been repossessed by. the media every day requiring. i'm getting collection calls daily. and i'm doing the best i can paying the bills that i can pay it's keeping me above water for now
and just wait i mean i know there's family out there. there's comes a worse and then a fine if they have a room for me that's where they come to. i wrote. that and you're right. on out. because one and. everything. what happens. there for us. on this and i thought. i knew. if i didn't do what i did to result the condition of the loss of income and savings and all of that. only be attending college right now. with the prepaid
college tuition that i had saved up for that had been used not only to get through my case but to get through the aftermath of that and continue living for as long as it could. in the end it's domino effect my ex-wife got behind in her mortgage and things went downhill for her where they're losing their houses when. within a matter of months from now could also be homeless. the complaint basically showing that the mortgage rather than been paid show that trying to recover the property has basically shown if you want to get current at the bank would want is fourteen thousand two hundred seventy three dollars forty
two cents. it was cool. i want to go. the money. grants and loans and what nobody else does go in that and in a. lot of people change saying that he was down in guantanamo he can be classified as a terrorist for the government should hang my dead rescue said he or me were in any more special more of a very. immoral day around the corner. for the moment from the latter duty it's just that. you don't have that. there's definitely a sense of shame in letting her down. that's the downside of taken actions i took for this the downside of being the raised i was and having the conscience i had.
i am even say fear just maybe it's the fear of making the wrong decision without that sort of structure to fall back on. you know it's difficult to know when. i'm not i don't know how to explain this these witch hunts that were going on in the military if a guy called you a dyke nothing was done to that person and there was no one you could say anything to and so that was it was very difficult particularly you know if you're doing
better than the men. obviously an easy way to take a cheap shot at you is to question your sexual orientation or you know wear a sign that says i'm straight i'm not a homosexual i'm i was very lonely in the military because i was afraid of what people might say about me i let that control me for too many years of my life. i've just never dated a lot or perhaps being married was just not meant for me so i can't explain them it i'm sure there's many reasons but mr y. oh you know you just you can't let it bother you because god has a plan for everyone and so i think. you know gay maybe that day will come for me but
it hasn't come and so it bothers me but it's just something i just can't explain. i understand that i've been placed in these situations for a reason maybe i don't understand why perhaps it's because i have the ability to withstand what has happened i'm glad i volunteered i'm glad i was assigned to go on time no i'm sure that was part of god's plan even if. i don't always understand it and i don't always agree with the outcome. but. that's what happened and i just really have no regrets.
the resigned joy and serving in the military still only job i knew the only life i knew for my entire adult life. my childhood was living in poverty. and i made a decision to join the military because otherwise i don't know what would have become of me. and i had a sense of why. i did everything to support the mission down.
and did what they wanted me to do but that one thing that's the only thing that they disapproved of. well i'm not seeking any sympathy for that i mean i put myself in that position but i mean that is a reality the consequence of acting on your conscience can sometimes have these types of results. actually. i. am. go and i believe in fate that god puts us to the test. maybe guantanamo was a form of punishment. or a way of strengthening me for the rest of my life those closed systems.
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