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every president is acutely aware that we are just temporary residence. we are renters here. we are charged with the upkeep and tell our lease runs out. but we also leave a police of ourself in this place. we are renters here. charged with the upkeep until our lease runs out. runs out ourselves in this place. >> we are renters here charged with the upkeep until ourlease runs out. in 2012, we did not know how prescient those remarks were there was no president biden fighting for the soul of this nation, there was no president trump fighting to stay in office, no insurrectionists storming the capitol, no top secret classified records taken from the white house and stored in a closet. none of that had happened yet. in fact, we wouldn't see an official lighthouse portrait unveiling again for another today, president obama returned to the white house where his friend and now president joe biden unveiled obama's portrait alongside of that the former firstal lady, michelle obama.
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during today's event, the former president echoed the point he made back in 2012, that presidents are renters at the white house, and that their time there is temporary. >> i've always described the presidency as ays relay race, y take the baton from someone, you run your leg as hard and as well as you can, and then you hand it off to someone else. knowing that your work will be incomplete. the portraits hanging in the white house chronicle theit runners in thatth race. each of us tasked with trying to bring the country we love closer toy its highest aspirations. >> now the reason this event was heldth today and not during trump's term in office, the reason it hasp' been a decade since we've seen one of these unveilings is because for the first time in u.s. history, the incumbent president refused to honor his predecessor with this rite of passage. trump never scheduled the ceremony and given the content,
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it might have been awkward for trump given his intention of not leaving the white house when his termus was up. it stands in stark contrast to the person who thought he owned the place and tried overthrow the results of a legitimate election and would have preferred that the president being red lined. and ntrejecting obama's leg cir and rejecting inclusion and eventually rejecting the will of the people. you saw it early. you saw this early in 2011, when trump went on national tv saying president obama should show his papers, show his birth certificate, those claimsrs continuedif through the years along with the falseug assertio that obama must beon muslim, no deserving the office of the presidency. he saw trump come down that escalator in 2015 to announce
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his bid for office saying mexico is not sending their best. far right violence in charlottesville in 2017 when president trump defended neo nazi violence by stating quote there were very fine people on both sides. saw it again and again and again during trump's presidency all the way up to january 6th when trump refused to leave office and encouraged a crowd of supporters, that he knew were armed to storm the u.s. capitol while the 2020 election results were being certified, to try to keep himself in that house as ih he wasn't a renter at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, but an owner. leading the charge to the capitol building, to keep trump in power, there were two violent racist extremist group, the proud boys and the oathkeepers. like donald trump, the oathkeepers were spurred into action after president obama was elected president, the group launched in the year 2009, in april. they recruited members throughout obama's first term in
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office. their tactics became more aggressive and more violent in 2014 after obama's re-election and that o notorious standoff against the federal government at bundy ranch. since then, the oathkeepers have evolved from an obscure group to a household name, a primarily example of anti-government extremism, a group that literally stormed the seat of democracy in an effort to keep its chosen candidates in power against the willan of the amerin people. today,th a judge declined to dey the trial of the oath keepers for seditious conspiracy. that will go ahead as planned. the anti-defamation center on extremists, the center on extremism released this report. the adl combed through more than 30,000 names listed onor the leaked oathkeepers membership list. what they found is that more
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than 370 members who work in law enforcement, they found more than 100 members who are actively in the military, and more than 80 members who are either running for or serving in public office as of august of this year. and it's more than just those demographics. the oath keepers membership list included religious figures, teachers, civil engineers, firefighters, emtnes, people fr all parts of american society. all of which raises fresh concerns about the ability of this kind of anti-government extremist group to seep into law enforcement, into our government, into our daily life. joining us now is the vice president of the center on extremism at the adl, the anti-defamation league, thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks. >> so i want to get to the report in a minute but i want to contextualize this for everybody and try it make sense of this moment when it feels like violent extremism is surging in a way that i think shocks a lot
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of americans. you played that sound of obama at the white house for a reason. it is in his first term in officeis that the origin story the oathkeepers begins, right? what can you tell us about how obama was a kind of catalytic event forki this kind of extremt work? >> so the oathkeepers in a sense, when they were created, benefitted from three things thatne were very problematic fo them. one, a democrat took office. obama, specifically. second, social media began to really take off. so theyre were able to spread their message, amplify, it to a whole new set of people. third was the financial crisis. we were in the wake of that, and what happens during a financial crisis, h people, you know, los they actually lost a lot of their livelihood, and they're looking to, explain away the suffering that they may feel on other people. enter extremists. enter the oathkeepers, who are also by the way, anti-immigrant,
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anti-muslim, you know, slinging these types of ak sayings president at w that time. so those three things were tapping into people's concerns, their grievances and their fears,th and offering what they thoughtfe was an alternative to the tyrannical government. >> and then boom, four years later, or eight years later, i guess,s they get donald trump. who t gives voice to a lot of ts grievance, right? what happens in the run-up to the 2020 election. what do you see in terms of oathkeeper membership and planning activities and how is that a surge moment for them. >> it seems many years ago but the pandemic wasn't that long and 2020 in particular, they used that as an opportunity to go out and protest vaccines and masks and any effort that they claim would take awayfo their rights. and the rights of the people. and so this is part of their ongoing sort of conspiracy theories. they point to new world order,
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concentration camps around the country, that people are taking away theirco guns, or their rights, to not get a vaccine or put on a mask. and so they were using that moment, at the time when an an election was coming up and then when the election happened, there was another conspiracy that was being spread from the highest office, from social media, and they did what extremists do, they never miss an opportunity to exploit a crisis and try to win hearts and minds. >> and they recruit. >> and they recruit. >> and we're seeing that again, right? i don't know if it is necessarily from the oathkeepers but the fbi search from mar-a-lago, we have reporting, i think it is from, facebook is having to crack down on groups like the boogaloo boys, recruiting on the wake of the fbi search, again because it feeds into the paranoid conspiracy that the government, the thugs, the helicopters are coming for them. the same for the a oathkeepers, have we seen mar-a-lago as an
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inflection point in terms of recruitment. >> the oathkeepers are in disarray because of an insurrection happened and we saw accountability, over 800 people were arrestedun including a lotf oathkeepers and some facing seditious conspiracy charges. >> stewart rose. >> his lawyer is arrested. >> so rightye now, they're actually in a moment where they're not kpalgt, exactly sure what they should be doing, their activity is down, and this is where efforts to undermine our institutions remain and public discourse and part of our public institutions, that continues, and that's what we're trying to shed light on. >> and let's get to the report now. t so the idea that you have peoplu who are in government, working actively against government, and you haveer paranoid conspiracie about the government, but who are representatives of said government, is very confusing, i think, to a lot of people.
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how does that work? and why does that work? >> so the oathkeepers are looking to recruit primarily from the holy trinity if you will, law enforcement, military, and first responders. and what they are appealing to is this idea of an oath to defend the constitution, so they'rend saying we all need toe part of the group because you said you would defend the constitution but not our government. they separate the two. and so that's why they're able to t appeal to those specific audiences. but really, they're just selling a range of conspiracy theories ande trying to again to appealo people based on patriotism. >> i'm sure having another democrat in office helps them promote this idea that government is bad and the pro-constitution government int exileti if you will is the thin they need to defend and fight for. what is shockingd in this repo is the degree to which itng is widespread swath of american society,de right? i mean the fact that you're talking about y civil servants, teachers, and i will say,
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there's not, and the numbers themselves, are large, but i think a lot of people will say oh, well, we're talking about 100 here, 370 there, what is revealed in the report is the degree to which these people are in turn influencers in their respective field, right? a member, i will read this quote from the report. in some cases, individuals offer to use their positions in the military, toit spread the oathkeepers message to those around them. a member ofme the marine corps noted, i currently coordinate ground c movements, i have influence onts nearly 46,000 marines and sailors. these guys are emissaries for a poisonous message, are they not? how do they think it works? >> it is not just emissaries for a poisonous message. these people are there to protect our communities. all of us. and so when you subscribe potentially to a membership list that isrs essentially a known extremist movement, they were an extremist movement when they started, andt now, and you are
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not only legitimizing those point of view and they have reasonable access to information, and were a what are they going to do about that? this is about infiltrating our democratic institutions, creating fear and anxiety and we are trying to shed light on the fact that we need to hold people accountable into this country, d you do that by sharing the data, datang drives policy, understanding where the threats are coming from, will help us get a better place to respond. >> and it is a shocking report, especially in these times the backdrop of news that we have today. oren, vice president of the center of extremism atde the anti-defamation league. thank you for your work. senate republicans jumped to donald trump's defense amid "washington post" reporter that the documents at mar-a-lago including one about nuclearme capabilities. senator michael bennet, a member of the senate intel committee joins us next. steve bannon gets ready to
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turn himself in to new york prosecutors tomorrow morning, n despite a pardon from donald trump. former prosecutor barbara mcquade joins us next. us next.
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describing a foreign government aefs nuclear capabilities, if you thought that would make republican lawmakers a bit more hesitant in the defense of the former president, please think again. here is josh hawley today describing what he sees as his most pressing concern about the whole search at mar-a-lago, and hint, the word nuclear is not in it. >> i have a lost concerns about. >> it the fbi raiding the home of the likely presidential nominee in 2024, the former president of the united states, and particularly as we learn more and more about what's going on with the fbi. and i got to tell you, i mean maybe there is some valid explanation for why the fbi raided mar-a-lago but if there is, we haven't heard it. >> we haven't? his colleague, texas senator and member of the intelligence committee john cornyn chimed in, i know the presidential records act makes these not his records. i think what attorney merrick garland decided to do was heavy
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handed and frankly nye neve. what he's done is create a precedent that the department of justice can execute a search warrant against a former president when it is not clear what is available. >> it is not what is clear when he said alternative means, when they were trying to retrieve the documents a year and a half before the execution of the search warrant. and 100 class clied documents including that one related to nuclear weapons is after trump's lawyers signed a statement swearing there were no more documents located on the premises but sure maybe there are some other alternative means that haven't been perceived here. and despite the idea that the recovering method is more egregious than what was recovered, reality shows us that the beach club stashing might be the real problem, not only for trump but for national security. right now the office of the director of national intelligence, odni, is
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conducting an assessment to see just how much damage has been done. and the latest reporting from the "washington post," only makes that work more urgent. odni's damage assessment is happening right now, despite a decision from a trump appointed judge, to use a special master to review all of the documents taken from mar-a-lago. the judge's order put a temporary halt on the fbi's criminal investigation, but it merely permitted the odni's damage assessment to continue unimpeded or at least that was the judge's intent. but that is not how it works in reality. here's how former cia officer david priest sees it according to the "the wall street journal." it is at best difficult and more likely impossible to do a meaningful odni damage assessment while the fbi investigation is stalled. odni needs to know what documents were at mar-a-lago and who may have looked at them, that information is coming from the fbi's investigation. the odni assessment is operating in a vacuum without information
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from an active investigation of who has access to those documents. so this complicated ruling from that trump-appointed judge could likely hamper not just a criminal investigation into the former president, but also the attempt to get to the bottom of a potentially deadly series intelligence failure. joining us now is colorado senator michael bennet, a member of the senate intelligence committee, senator, thanks for being here. always good to see you. >> thanks for having me. congratulations on the show. >> thank you. thank you for being on the show. let me just first get your assessment of what republicans in the senate think of everything that's happened vis-a-vis mar-a-lago because on one hand you have josh hawley effectively saying the findings are no big deal, it is the method by which they were found. and then on the other hand, you have senator marco rubio and i'll quote what he said to "politico" this morning, saying they never came to us and said there's a bunch of missing classified information. speaking of the fbi. that's part of the problem here. if this was so serious, it should have been raised to the
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congressional level. we get briefed all the time on counter-intelligence threats. rubio seems to be taking this fairly seriously and seems to almost be complaining that senate intel hasn't had a briefing on this. one, does senator rubbo have a point? and two, where do you see republican senators on this? what sense do you get? >> i would say on the intelligence committee, we work in a bipartisan way, over many years, to take this seriously, and if it turns out what donald trump has done, is moved classified documents to mar-a-lago, in an incredibly unsafe and dangerous way, i expect that the intelligence committee will do its oversight in a bipartisan way and we will help's tain what the intelligence committee has to figure out which is what kind of damage was actually done to our national security. i'm not as surprised as senator rubio is about the sequence of events here, in the sense that the administration had asked
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over and over again, because they figured out that some documents had ended up there, and then trump, donald trump's lawyers apparently said, testified that they had sent all of the documents back. now, it turns out that it's not true, and it turns out that some of this may have to deal with very, very sensitive matters. so i'm not at all surprised that the fbi is now taking the actions they've taken. we are going to now have to do our oversight as well. >> let me ask you about how compromised we may be here. and get your view from the point of the intel committee. how worryed are you that clandestine operations could have been compromised here? >> well, i'm really worried, people need to understand, this isn't just a substance of what's in those documents, we obviously don't know that yet, but that could be very damaging itself, but then what also could be revealed by the substance in the
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way in which that intelligence was collected. we call that the sources and methods of intelligence gathering. and that particularly is sensitive when it has to do with human intelligence. because our adversaries by seeing seeing a substantive piece of evidence, sometimes can say well, we know exactly who it is that had access to that, and that can become very dangerous for people that are working with the united states government, in our national security effort. that's what i'm really worried about here, and obviously, we're not going to know for a while how damaging it is. >> you know, you focus on adversaries, but what about our allies? because there are plenty of governments that share intelligence with us, and when they hear about the former president's squirrelling away documents that were in a safe, in a skiff, and taking them down to his beach club, that employs many people from outside of the country, and in a closet that was not a skiff to say the least, does that chill our bilateral relationships with people who we share intelligence
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with? >> sure, it can be, i mean i think that people understand that when you're dealing with donald trump, you're dealing with hopefully a unique character, but that's why i think it is really important for republicans to stand up as well and say if this happened, it is completely unacceptable. we have a standard of conduct in this government. we expect people to protect the nation's secrets. and one of the things that i'm really worried about is that people, you know, in a sense, become apologists for donald trump and ratify behavior that just simply can't be ratified, and could be a real threat to our national security, if somehow it became normalized. >> and i hear you on the point that donald trump is a particular character in american history, but it does overall eat away at america's reputation in the same way pulling out of accords like the iran nuclear deal and the paris climate agreement, and taking america seriously here and if the president of the united states, regardless of how comical a character he is, is doing this
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kind of stuff, one wonders how seriously our allies want to take us when it comes to intelligence sharing. >> there is no doubt about that. i don't think i would call it comical, i don't think i would find it comical, i do one way of thinking about it what you just said, how damaging it would have been to our relationships to countries all over the world if we re-elected donald trump president of the united states. they wouldn't have believed. it and i think it would have destroyed our reputation. on the other hand, i just came become from a month in colorado, traveling all over the state, talking about the infrastructure bill that we passed, talking about the bipartisan reform bill and gun bill and bipartisan veterans bill that we passed, the chips bill, which is the first bill since reagan was president, where we said, you know what, we're not just going to be privilege people who want to make stuff as cheaply as possible in china over other interests that we have and the most important climate bill that any government has passed, i
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mean think about what that message is to the rest of the world, versus the chaos that donald trump represented. to say nothing of the kind of law breaking that you potentially see in the case of what is going on in mar-a-lago now. so my point is the standard of success here should not just be did you steal classified documents from washington and take them to your beach club, the standard of success is can we overcome the kay office the trump years, restore our democracy in a way that makes it work again for the american people, and create an economy that when it grows it grows for everybody and i think we can and i think we will. >> i think the technical term there is raising the bar. colorado senator michael bennet, thank you for your time tonight. best of luck. >> thanks, alex. still ahead here tonight, in just a few hours, steve bannon is expected to turn himself in to new york prosecutors likely for his role in getting people to donate money to build a private border wall. that amazing story behind that drift is next. is next.
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donate now. border patrol in yuma overwhelmed, 1,000 apprehensions in three days. donate now. a private group has started a gofundme campaign that fed off of trump-led sneers that our border was in crisis, and that group used those fears in order to privately fund a border wall. it was a viral hit. it raised $4 million in the first three days. the whole thing was so successful that former trump white house chief strategist steve bannon got involved and had the bright idea they shouldn't just raise money to put into federal coffers to build the wall but build the wall themselves and cut out the pesky government middleman. and they raised $25 million from thousands of donors but when it came time to actually build the wall, the operation wasn't exactly well, a well-oiled machine. this is the first wall they built in sunland park new mexico. one of the major problems with this wall it is just over half a mile long.
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so you could always just walk five minutes to get around it. the second flaw is that the wall itself is comically scalable. this is a video of an 8-year-old girl climbing the replica of it in about one minute. and if that weren't enough, it turns out that they built this wall too close to a federal monument which meant that they were forced to build a gate in the center of the wall and keep it open all day long every day. and then there was wall number two. the group's final wall. three miles long and built along the rio grande in mission, texas. the contractor for the project described it as the labor yun wall, and i didn't know it kpiftd but when hydrologists looked at it it was built too close to the river and the land it was built os wan erode solg quickly, it was falling down and proved to be so embarrassing that mr. build a wall tweeted, i
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disagreed with doing this very small tiny section of wall. it was only done to make me look bad and perhaps it now doesn't even work. yes, perhaps. . and as it turns out to be a wise move for president trump to distance himself from that wall, because the very next month, steve bannon and the rest of the "we build the wall" fundraising crew, they were all indicted on charges of fraud. federal prosecutors allege that despite claims to be a volunteer organization, or even the most senior member didn't get a penny in salary, bannon and his partners took hundreds of thousands of donated dollars and used them for personal expenses. like travel, and paying off credit card debt. two of the other people involved in the scheme pleaded guilty, but bannon himself had his own, president trump's very last hours in the white house, he pardoned steve bannon for his role in the scheme and that is where this whole crazy story stood until today. the "washington post" broke news
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late last night that steve bannon is expected to surrender himself to state level prosecutors in new york tomorrow and face a new criminal indictment. people familiar with the situation told the "washington post" that the prosecution is likely to mirror aspects of the federal case in which bannon is pardoned. if bannon was pardoned federally but the manhattan d.a.'s office seems to have picked that up case and it now it looks like steve mannen may face justice at the state level. joining us to understand how this works barbara mcquade former attorney for the eastern district of michigan and a professor of the university of michigan law school. thanks for being with us tonight and help us to decipher this strange conundrum of steve bannen. >> glad to be with you, alex. >> bannon is pardoned on a federal level in the final hours of the trump presidency but can
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face charges on a state level. should other trump ak lights be concerned? >> yes, a pardon can only act against federal prosecution. and so in this country we have something we refer to as dual sovereignty. states and federal government can charge people for the same crime, and so even though steve bannon was pardoned for this conduct at the federal level, most states also have fraud statutes on the book, and so as you said, it is expected to reflect very much and mirror the federal charges. i would imagine state charges under new york law will look very similar. so you're right, as you think about awful other people who refer pardons, corrupt public officials, could be charged again, as long as the statute of limitations is not expired. with parallel state prosecutions. >> and that state has standing to prosecute, right, which they do in some of these financial crimes especially here in new york city. i wonder what you make of chash
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of steve bannon's statement today about this and the positions he finds himself in. i will read to those who are not familiar steve bannon's statement of defiance. just days after being swatted three different times by deranged thugs from new york city inspired by the biden administration to assassinate me by police, the soros-backed d.a., has now decided to pursue phony charges against me 60 days before the midterm election, because war room, that would be his podcast, is the major source of the maga grass roots movement. they are coming after all of us. not only president trump and myself. i am never going to stop fighting. in fact, i have not yet begun to fight. they will have to kill me first. here's what i don't get. he's willingly turning himself in, barb, how does this all square? they will have to kill me first. i have not yet begun to fight. but it appears he is cooperating with prosecution. >> yeah, you know, it seems that
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so often, with bullies, the bark is worst than the bite but i'm really concerned about the rhetoric, because it can tend to inflame people who listen to this. people will believe this. you know, the idea that somehow he's protected from the justice department's memo on election sensitivity, he's nobody, he's not a candidate, he's not on a ballot, he's, you know, at best a podcaster, there is absolutely no basis that they should stand down on him, so all of this rhetoric is really a bunch of nonsense. and you know, if he wants to got hard way, they will arrest him, but he has a lawyer who is negotiating a self surrender which is not the kind of courtesy every defendant gets by the way. so they are really giving him i think real accommodation him by allowing himself to turn himself in. >> are you surprised that he is doing the self surrender given the fact that he is convicted on, he has been charged and convicted on contempt of congress for refusing to testify, and yet in this
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instance, he's cooperating and turning himself in? >> i'm not surprised, what alternative does he have, he could run, he could try to, you know, escape and get oust country, but he'll be found, it is not really a good alternative. people sometimes flee when charges are filed, but the u.s. marshals almost always finds them and then the consequences are worse because in addition to the underlying charges, now you are also facing unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. so he may talk a good game but i think he will be there when court hearing begins tomorrow. >> i think talk is the operative word there, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, thanks as always for shining a light on all of this. up next, republicans in one state fight attempt bis voters to put abortion rights on the ballot in november. republicans who allegedly believe the state's rights. that's next. y believe the state's rights that's next.
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think you can spot the pattern here? this is congressman jack bergman, a michigan republican on the day the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. the ruling today on roe v. wade properly returns power to the states and ends decades of bad precedent. here is how the colorado republican congressman ken buck responded the same day. the power to decide this profound moral question has officially returned to the states where it will be debated and settled in the way it should be in our democratic society, by the people. here is the minnesota republican
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emmer, every life is precious and depend it by the states. >> republican gosar, this is not a federal issue. this is a state issue. we the people. the states gave the federal government limited powers and we have to take them back. what do the statements have in common? all from republicans and all big on the idea that abortion should be stated by the states and they all happen to be issued by co-sponsors of a federal bill to ban abortion nationwide. a bill that would take away power from, you know, the states. the "washington post" and the 28 co-sponsors of the federal abortion ban issued statements after the dabs ruling saying abortion should be left up to the states. 28 of them. all of them. . only six of them responded to defend their positions. the republican line about abortion being an issue that should be left up to the states has always been a red herring. and an attempt to distract from the real agenda of blocking
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access to abortion by any means necessary. and nowhere is that more clear right now than in the state of michigan. earlier this year, hundreds of thousands of michigan citizens signed a petition to put abortion rights up for a vote. more than 750,000 signatures were gathered. almost twice the number that were needed. but that effort to get abortion on the ballot, that effort has hit a road block. last week, the state's board of canvassers made up of two democrats and two republicans deadlocked on whether to advance the ballot initiative with both republicans decides against putting abortion up for a vote at a state level. abortion rights groups quickly appealed the decision to the state supreme court. they asked the court to respond by today. and that is because abortion rights advocates in michigan are racing against the clock. absentee ballots have to be available for all registered voters by september 29th. which means all ballots must be finalized and ready to print by
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this friday. this wednesday. if you're not too contracted to the calendar. dana nessel, the american attorney general voted in favor of getting it on the ballot and what will be printed on it and what voters get to decide come november, that could come at any moment. joining us now is nicole welsch-stallworth director of planned parenthood advocacy of michigan, one of the groups fighting to get michigan voters a chance to vote on abortion rights this november. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me, alex. >> let's talk about what the court is going to do. i know abortion rights have asked the court to decide by this evening, it's 9:50 in the east, what's your expectation in terms of a reply from the court at this point? >> yes, i mean as you noted, in your opening remarks, the court legally, they have until friday to respond to our request to
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find the number of signatures significant to be placed on the november ballot. we are awaiting their decision, and in the meantime, we've not lost sight of what is truly at stake here. we understand that michigan voters recognize that this is not a partisan issue at all. michigan voters recognize and understand that this is truly a matter of who gets to make decisions about their personal health care. michigan voters understand and want those decisions to be made between themselves and their doctors, and that is what we're really fighting for and what's at stake here. >> i think it bears mentioning how critical michigan is geographically in terms of access to reproductive choice. i think if we can have a map here that shows how much abortion access has been curtailed, sort of a curtain falling over many parts of the country, and what does it mean to have michigan be a safe place for women seeking abortions? and what does that mean
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practically from the perspective of planned parenthood? >> yes, sure, you make a really great point. right now, about one-third of the country has lost access to abortion completely. after the overturn of roe v. wade. and i mean that michigan is a place where patients are turning for their abortion care. and planned parenthood of michigan, we have certainly seen that kind of increase. we had to increase capacity by about 30% for abortion appointments. we are seeing patients travel to michigan from all over the country. we've seen patients from oklahoma, as far as texas, many of them are coming in, from ohio, to receive the kind of care that they medically deserve. >> what about, i mean one thinks that the republican resistance to this is deeper than, well, i don't know what they offer in terms of their resistance to be honest, since they consider this
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a state's rights issues but politically, absolutely, reproductive choice, it is something that favors democrat, right? you're seeing women cutting across educational backgrounds which tends to be the dividing line, strongly favor democrats who are standing on a platform of reproductive choice. do you think that political reality is fueling some of the republican resistance you're seeing in the state of michigan to putting this on the ballot? >> you know, i really find it to be incredibly unfortunate to see partisan politics undermine our democracy, particularly what happened at the board of canvassers last week here in michigan. but i think we have lessons to be learned here because we're existing in a world that we have not seen before, which is the fact that people don't have access to the basic health care and to abortion that we've seen for over the last 50 years. and we can look to the state of kansas, to really help us understand politically what's going on there, as kansas
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recently in their primary election saw the voter turnout more consistent with what they see in a presidential election, during a mid term election. the other thing that we're seeing here in michigan is that truly this is not a partisan issue for voters. and that's really important to note. and to sort of really understand. because we need to make sure that voters understand what their options are, when they go to the ballot box, on november 8th. and also what choices that they have, in candidates, who are going to respect their right to make their own personal medical decisions about their lives and their bodies. >> nicole, executive director of planned parenthood advocates of michigan, we will be following this story, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me, alex. up next, how residents of one state banded together to avert mass blackouts during an historic heat wave. that's next.
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on a morning in january, a little after 8:00 a.m., people in hawaii saw this alarming message on their phone, ballistic missile threat inbound to hawaii. seek immediate shelter. this is not a drill. that came from hawaii's emergency management agency and it sent people scrambling for shelter. many sent goodbye messages and prepare ford what they believed is impending doom. about 40 minutes later, a second message came through, false alarm, there is no missile threat or danger to the state of hawaii. repeat. false alarm. so yes, that was not great, sending people in a frenzy worried this we die. that was not definitely not the move. and i know this example is sort
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of unfortunate, it does prove out that reaching out to residents in an emergency situation, that can be extremely effective of the just yesterday, amid a record heat wave out west, millions of californians referred an alert, one that possibly saved the state's power grid. with temperatures well over 100 degrees, officials worried that increased use of air conditioners would overwhelm the state's capacity. for hours, the grid struggled to keep up with demand and by 5:30 p.m., the state's grid operator warned that blackouts were imminent. at 5:48 california's office of emergency services sent out this text alert. it red, conserve energy now to protect public health and safety. extreme heat is draining the state energy grid, power interruptions may occur unless you take action. turn off or reduce nonessential power if allowed. people heeded that request. and within minutes the im pending grid, the impending grid emergency was over. and it appears that message literally helped prevent mass
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blackouts. between 5:50 and 5:55 p.m., demand for power dropped by 1.2 gigawatts. one gigawatt in power, about 750,000 homes. words have power. especially in the ones in an emergency alert text. that does it for us. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. it doesn't seem like the kind of thing you should have in your post-presidential desk drawer. >> well, first of all, again, we really don't know, because let's go back and understand that all of this information is coming from one side and one place. and that is sources of knowledge of the investigation. who are sources of knowledge of the investigation? the fbi and the justice department. and they are leak together immediate, leaking to the media. >> marco rubio florida senator seems to be more upset about leaks to the media than the top secret documents that dona


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