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>> big win for joe biden today in the final passage of the inflation reduction act, more on that next. week the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. hle starts now >> good evening once again i'm stephanie ruhle. this week began with the fbi search of mar-a-lago, now trump's home down in florida. and it ended with bombshell revelations that agents found highly classified documents down there. earlier today a federal judge
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unsealed a search warrant issued one week ago today. the search included trump's office all storage rooms and all other rooms available to be used by trump and his staff and which boxes or documents could be stored. basically, they could go anywhere. the receipt agents gave trump's lawyer they also released. among the items removed, one set of documents marked classified ts sci, which refers to top secret sensitive compartmented information. also found, four sets of top secret staff comments. three sets of -- and three sets of confidential documents. a total of 11 sets of classified records. three laws are also listed as a legal basis for the warrant. one is part of the espionage act. and while that has a lot of people jumping to conclusions and conjuring up visions of spies, it is important to note the espionage act encompasses a lot more than just that.
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it makes it a crime to remove or misuse information related to national defence. also listed, a law forbidding hiding or destroying classified material, and another makes it illegal to destroy or falsify evidence in an investigation. former solicitor general neal katyal explained why that last one is very significant. that is the one that probably does require a [inaudible] source or a mole or something like that working with the fbi. otherwise, it's hard for me to understand how the fbi would have thought that that would have been a potential crime. >> the fbi also found information about trump advisor roger stone's commutation and about french president emmanuel macron. as for trump himself he is denying washington post importing that fbi agents were looking for classified documents related to nuclear weapons. his calling that report one of his favorite words -- a hoax.
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with that let's get smarter, and we certainly need help tonight. with help of our lead off panel peter baker, chief correspondent for the new york times, professor melissa murray, she was a clerk for sonia sotomayor on the federal bench before nomination to the federal bench. and frank figliuzzi, former assistant director for counter intelligence. and i want to start with you, frank figliuzzi. you are our counter intelligence guy. what is your take? >> i was looking for that as soon as i laid eyes on the warrant. and sure enough, there it was. it was really startling to see that with regard to a former president of the united states. you explained it well up top, stephanie. this is not 1794, which actually involves the transmission to an adversary, of defense, national information. but it's very close. it's 73, one of the most serious crimes -- charged with.
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it will involve the retention of national defense information. just because something is caused by government sensitive, it does not mean it fits into the sub category of stuff we called national defense information. that is specific to the defense of the united states. and the person has to understand that this is something that could actually damage the united states or ate an adversary for government. there's a lesser provision in there that makes it the same crime -- you can be convicted of 1793, for simply gathering defence information with understanding that it's injuries to the united states or helpful to an adversary. and the kind of fits the pattern here. he knew, he was told, there was a subpoena, they want to get back. he didn't do it. that sounds like 1793 to me. >> so if he did violate this act what are the consequences? frank? >> ten years in prison. you would have to also, if you ever gotten a compensations from, say, a foreign power or some third-party for discussing
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that kind of information, you would have to forfeit all that money back if you indeed got it. but look as a counter intelligence professional what really up concerns me stephanie is the damage assessment. so, everyone is focused on crime crime, crime. i am focused on damage. this has been sitting there for, what, a year and a half maybe? we are just now, through either sources or discussions with trump's attorney with doj just realized, the gravity of what is still there. and it has been there and exposed to who? who has he told and shouted to? you don't charge seven 93 lightly. and understand this of it. it's not that they threw things into the war that might be possible. it's that they had probable cause to believe that espionage may be occurring. that's very significant. they wouldn't do that lightly. i am concerned about who is seeing it, who has he's discussed it with. and it could be real damage. and with the washington post reporting that maybe some of
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this was nuclear in nature, i don't even -- i can't even imagine how much damage this could be done. and the fbi has got to do two things parallel. the damaged assessment who sought, who had their hands on who might have had access to it, and then, of course, the criminal side, the investigation. >> and let's remind our audience where was. it was not in the white house. it was not in camp david. it was not in any secure location. it was at mar-a-lago, a club where people go to parties, charity events and weddings. hundreds, if not thousands of people, roll through that joint. melissa, i want to share with national security attorney mark zaid said specifically about the espionage act earlier tonight. >> there are some defenses without a doubt, that trump and his lawyers will raise, primarily because the statutes in question were never intended or envisioned to be operable against the president of the united states.
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>> you think he's right? >> i think it's certainly a defense that the former president will press as this goes forward. as we've said, throughout the last couple of weeks as all of this has unfolded, we are really in uncharted waters. there never has been a situation where former president with, say the exception of nixon where former president has had this kind of information has withheld this information, and the information is so decidedly sensitive as the information recovered today -- yesterday at mar-a-lago -- so, this is uncharted territory. this will surely be a defense that the [inaudible] already talked about the notion that he's declassified the information by his own fiat, that's not necessarily relevant for any of the acts which have been lifted listed here at the warrant. they don't necessarily depend on the classification of the information that was in question. but it is something that he will press. and again this may just be a delay tactic to run out the clock until he can sort of get beyond this if he can get
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beyond this. >> peter have you heard any argument from trump world as to why any of these documents would be down there for months and months in palm beach florida? >> we haven't heard any explanation of what he wanted them for or -- if we have heard from trump world is a sense of saying he's the president he gets to the classify things, the declassify them before he left office, therefore, he's not guilty of removing classified information. and look, it is true the president does have the ultimate power to cut that the classified information. no question about it. but it's not usually done with the snap of a finger in a last-minute meeting before you happen to head to the helicopter get out of town. i mean, usually there's a process. he has to goes to some sort of review. there's usually an argument, or at least a discussion, about what might be safe to reveal why you might not want to reveal certain things, what
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parts might be safe, that kind of thing, it doesn't sound like that kind of thing happened here -- sounds like they are saying he simply is president, i -- i am not a lawyer. obviously other people on this program ourselves and are smarter than i am about this. it could be a test to get that argument in court, as to whether or not you can constrain a presidents power under article two to run the executive branch by saying he has to do things a certain way, he didn't do them the right way. but certainly, it's unlike any declassification that we are aware of any normal president, a normal circumstance, does not simply say, i am bringing these and documents home with me because i like to know about nuclear secrets. >> i want to get deeper into that, how the declassification process works. but before we do, frank, help us understand this. what is the difference between confidential secret, top secret and ts sci, all of which were found in trump's house? >> which rides those
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classifications is the degree of damage that can be caused if they get into the wrong hands. so, confidential would cause damage. then you move up to secret, which would cause serious damage, if compromised. and then finally, at top secret, you are causing what's caused exceptionally grave damage to the national security. now a lot of folks will say -- and then there's something above topsecret which is compartmented or special access. it's actually, no, for nerds like me with regards to classification, that's not accurate. the highest you can go's top secret. but there may be compartments within top secret. and special access programs that you have to get right into. i, during my fbi career, was read in and out of certain special access or compartmented programs. i had situations where i had to be polygraph into a program and polygraph out of a program. that's how sensitive they are. they often involve sources and methods, techniques and technologies, human beings that might even be killed if the
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information they provided was divulged. literally life and death could be involved here. and the thing is, it's timely. you have to have a need to know at that moment in time. when your need to know is over, the investigation is done, or you move on to another position, you get briefed out of that program. you don't stay in it forever. with regard to nuclear information, it's an entirely different clearance. and some experts would say, that nuclear information, particularly under the atomic energy act, is inherently classified, and can't be declassified by president. so, that would be very significant, if there was nuclear weapons data amongst the search items. >> damn, frank, you might be honored, but you are our kind of nerd. we are lucky that you are here. melissa, lindsey graham, who is not just -- at times he's a trump mouthpiece. but he is a former gag lawyer. he knows what he is talking about. and what did he mean when he sent this tweet? let america see this avdeeva.
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why is that important? >> i think the affidavit will give us more of a theory of the government's theory of the -- eye to thought that the affidavit would be incredible helpful. because one, it would lay out where all of this is going on when they are trying to put together. but more importantly, and perhaps this is senator graham's purpose, it would actually identify the source or sources that, for some of this information, as neal katyal suggested earlier, some of this is likely to come from the inside -- and so there might be a source named. and perhaps there might be reprisals by those who are close to the president against that source. >> but can't more information, peter, hurt trump? wasn't two days ago, mitch mcconnell and others -- we need merrick garland to show us what he's doing and why he's doing it. and merrick garland showed up and showed out yesterday, and pushed trump and trump was forced to agree. lindsey graham now saying, let's see the affidavit. is that what trump wants?
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>> i think there's a lot of concern about that in trump world about what that affidavit would show, whether in fact would be damaging. remember, just three or four days ago after the search was first disclosed by the former president, there is all this talking republican world about how this is just reelected him. this is a big deal. and making him more popular with his base, that is show that the government without to get him and so forth. today, the conversation is, oh my gosh, what was in those documents that we now see from this list here, that he had involved at mar-a-lago? and i think that has changed the conversation. it doesn't mean he doesn't still control a lot of popularity in the republican party. but the conversation is certainly not as advantageous to him tonight as it was a couple of days ago. one formation, you can imagine, would continue to move that conversation away from the sense of victimhood and more toward the question of what he did and why he did it and how it may or may not add up to some sort of a legal violation. and the affidavit would tell us why the prosecutors and the fbi,
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believed there was a crime here, at least there was a probable cause of the crime here -- and that's a really, really big deal. we are not talking then about excess action by the fbi. we talk about excess action, in effect, by the former president of the united states. we have never seen in the history of this country. and that's a conversation that would be very uncomfortable for a lot of republicans potentially. >> melissa, what are trump's lawyer saying to him tonight? >> i imagine these are really serious conversations. and this is a lot of danger, i think, lead ally ability, that the former president faces. i'm sure they are trying to, a, figure out who the potential sources are of this, and the question of the damage -- that they are turning to the elements with a particular crimes are. peter's right, the president can declassify information. there's maybe certain kinds of sensitive information that cannot be declassified. but for all of these different statutes that are at issue here,
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none of them necessarily requires that the information be declassified or classified. it's nearly in the case of the two laws, just keeping, up needling, it falsifying it for the purpose of impeding a government investigation or the investigation of the federal agency. and so that could be a lot of things. and so there's a lot of legal liability here. some of it could be things that are serious, and some of it could be things that are quite quotidian. >> so frank, what happens next in the investigation? what are you looking for? >> well now that they've actually confirmed that the presidents top secret and other information, they are either -- there is two paths here. wednesday either now have what they need and this is just what they needed and they're ready to go. but that's unlikely. would i think is going to happen now is a painstaking process, stephanie, we have to literally go back and see who touched these documents. i would not be surprised, by the way, if they're actually trying to fingerprint some of
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these documents to determine who touched them and win. because we are dealing with government employees here who probably have fingerprints on file. >> ly have fingerprints o file >> that's part of the damage assessment. but also we're so focused on trump that i think the investigation, stephanie, has to include others who were conspirators with him. he could've done this all alone. it is unlikely that he packed all those boxes, kept them in wherever they were in mar-a-lago, someone had to have knowledge of this and i'm thinking they're looking at other people as well. and we've already talked about the damage assessment. where did this information come from -- we talk about this bra power to declassify as president, but not really when it comes to other countries classified data that they shared with us. he's tried this before, he did with the russians, he gave the russians in the oval office information that came from another country. that doesn't mean it was awful, and he doesn't have authority to do that, in my experience, when it comes from another
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country. so they're gonna be looking at where is this derived from, who's the originator, what was the declassification process, who touched, who helped him, all of that going on as we speak. >> it makes me think back to that last month where trump was in office. stephen newton jared kushner, overseas in the middle east, building their next businesses for when they were leaving the administration. it's funny if those countries would be interesting this information. peter, melissa, frank, don't go anywhere,. we have more to cover on the other side of the break. facing federal law enforcement after the attack on the cincinnati fbi office. for gonna look at what is next as these baseless attacks are continuing. and later, the mixed messaging from the right on the search at mar-a-lago as we learn new details. david plouffe and mathew tao are here to break all of it down. the 11th hour just getting underway, on a very serious friday night. seou friday night business do for your business?
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it was some of the most top secret compared minted information was at mar-a-lago. it's not, hoax it was. there there's no reasonable argument that could be answer for why that material is at mar-a-lago, presidents -- donald trump's not president anymore, he has no need for that information. >> the presence of those
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documents outside their proper secure location could represent a national security threat. and as baseless accusations against the fbi continue, federal law enforcement leaders are warning of growing danger to their officers and their agencies. still with us to discuss, peter baker, melissa murray, and frank frog lucy. peter, let's go back in trump's history. he is not the best guy when it comes to keeping secrets. talk to us about things he's done with classified information on thinking russia, north korea. he doesn't have a good record. >> no, that's, right i think there's a long history of cavalier, or at least casual control over classified information, there is an incident where he's in the oval office visiting the russian officer was -- intelligence about the islamic state, that come from the state of israel that caused a great deal of concern. at one point he tweeted out an
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image of an iranian site that had been given to him and a briefing, there was concern over that. i remember he had his cell phone that he continue to use at one point. even though he was warned that it was being tapped, or potentially tough by the russian and chinese. he was told to stop using it because it was vulnerable to foreign interception and he continued to use it anyway. we sought repeatedly throughout his presidency as sort of a very casual attitude toward classified information. which of course there's a certain irate because he spent 2016 attacking hillary clinton for her casual attitude arguably about classified information in her email server that she had out of her home. he said people who were casual about classified information weren't qualified to be president, of course, then he became president and was even more cavalier about it. i think this shows why the intelligence agencies were all nurse nervous about giving him particularly sensitive
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information. they get withheld names and,, sources specific details that they were worried he would blurt out in the middle of an evening or send out and a tweet. so they tried very hard to be careful about what they gave him so that he was not to expose people and cause great damage to america's interests. >> melissa, we need you to do a fact check for us. peter brought it up in the last segment, trump allies have now come up with this new argument about why he might have this information that, you, know it's just like you or me, we want to bring some work home from the office and do some reading at home. that's what trump was doing. and it was standard operating procedure all of that information. it would automatically get declassified. first things first, from a practical sense, we know from the trump administration, donald trump does not read. i called the former member of his administration when this news came out, and they left me off the phone. but besides trump's behavior, give us the actual facts around
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how information gets declassified because it doesn't just happen in one fell swoop. >> there are federal regulations that specify the process for declassifying information and it's actually a very sensitive process that thinks about the nature that the information, this substance, about the methods by which was collected, the sources that were used to collect it. and it made such a determination about whether the information being classified at all, under what circumstances this declassification could occur. and this could take a lot of time. it is a labourious and pain seeking process as you can imagine, because of the nature of the information and and all that the concerns around it and keeping it safe. the idea that a president would simply bring some work home from the office and just keep it in a basement, in a golf club in florida, is really kind of ludicrous. and really boggles the mind. this is information some of which could not be viewed unless it was in a sensitive
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compartmentalizing formation facility. skip, you remember the whole universe learned about skiff's when we were in the middle of the impeachment hearings, and the congressman had to listen or go down and review significant nation in a skiff, in the basement of the capital. you can't simply take stern kinds of information outside of those compartments, where there is security clearance, where their security to keep them safe. and just bring them to mar-a-lago. the the idea that he's bringing work home, i, guess but it's really highly unlikely in the context of presidency where the president's privy to so much sensitive information and data. >> and remember, even if any of those arguments were true, a grand jury subpoenaed donald trump to return those documents months ago, and he didn't do it. that was before the search. frank, let's talk about the fbi. because yesterday, a man fired a nail gun at an fbi facility in ohio, he was killed after a standoff with police.
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that's a man was at the capital on the day of the insurrection. what are people within the fbi telling you? devoted men and women who, this past monday, we're just doing their jobs. >> we first, the security posture across the fbi, all 60 field offices is now elevated. they're taking special measures, almost unprecedented, in my memory, the closest i could think up to this was after 9/11 when we still in the immediate aftermath, we didn't know the level of attack that would occur and the security -- including the fbi was escalated. but i'll tell, you this is the first time in my memory that the threat is this broad and this persistent when you go and a violent extremist chat rooms and size right, now you are seeing person after person account after account saying that they need to come after the fbi. it is time to do this. and in fact, we know now that there are circulating copies of
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the search warrant, it's particularly the return, the receipt of things taken, that has the name of two fbi agents unredacted on it, and in breitbart, the so-called news, has put that out. and whether that came from the trump camp or not, i won't engage in that conjecture. but whoever is putting out the information that the fbi is doing this for political purposes or has done something unlawful, if someone is hurt, if if hetero agent is wounded or killed because of this, it is on them, stephanie. they are responsible. they will be accountable. a man died in ohio because he bought the lie that evidence was planted, that the fbi is doing something unlawful. people died because of trump and his minions creating lies and fabricating disinformation. d >> sticks and stones break
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bones but misinformation matters too. it's destroying our country. peter baker frank figliuzzi melissa murray -- coming up, the classified documents coming up -- and splintering gop messaging. a political panel weighs in when the 11th hour continues. ur continu es
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agents. i'm absolutely disgusted by it. and some of the college calls i'm, saying about the fbi, that's also foolish. >> even as republican congressman dan crenshaw dismissed attacks on the fbi as foolish, other members of his party have doubled down. here's what house republican conference chair elise stefanik had to say earlier. >> house republicans are committed to immediate oversight, accountability and a fulsome investigation to provide needed transparency and answers to the american people regarding joe biden and his administration's weaponization of the department of justice and fbi against joe biden's political opponent. >> with us tonight to discuss david plouffe former obama campaign manager and senior adviser for the president, and msnbc political contributor matthew dowd. he's also a former george w. bush's strategist and founder of country over party. mr. matthew dowd, to you first. your reaction to that week republicans just had?
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>> i mean, just in a neutral fashion, it was a very [inaudible] what was said about attacking the fbi in, amazingly, is popular among the republican party. and so i think it was a bad week. the thing i don't think they realize and the republicans, i think, even though they face this in election [inaudible] don trump has never been any single they've been support by majority of americans. and every time they run to the defense, especially in the final 90 days of an election, it only makes them a stand in for how much most americans dislike donald trump and don't trust donald trump. so, i think it unites the republican base, which is increasingly smaller. donald trump is still amazingly popular. but what it does is send a clear signal to swing voters and a majority of americans, is if you want donald trump back, vote for the republicans.
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>> it has given trump's base or the republican base, a reason to rally around him. david, conventional wisdom would say, this week has been donald trump's worst nightmare. but the truth is, his worst nightmare is to be forgotten, is to be irrelevant. and now he's the only thing on all of our minds. what do you think of that? >> well, stephanie, it's [inaudible] i think there's a couple other things you probably rank even lower than irrelevancy. one would be jailed. the other would-be to actually run for president again and lose again, either the republican nomination or the general election. icanso yeah, there's no doubt, listen, it's fascinating, the republican party -- i think most republican elected officials, not all, i'm going to fargo donald trump wherever it leads. they've hitch their entire political wagon to him, integrity to him, if you treat him. and there's a bunch of voters who have done that as well. but there is some republican officials who, i think, are
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going to play wait and see here, we're going to be more judicious. and i think there's a lot of republican voters, in basically the rest of the american electric, who's basically very concerned about it. and i agree with matthew. what's the message you heard this, week stephanie it? if you give the republicans power, they're not going to work on inflation or health care or education. they are basically going to conduct investigations to do don trump's dirty work. and i think there's a lot of americans that want to turn the page on that. so, listen, i'm not sure what this means for 2022. i have stronger feelings that ultimately this is not helpful to him in 2024. but we will see. but i think a lot of people are tired of the circus. and this is much more serious than a circus. i mean, matthew was around administration, as was i. and how you dealt with intelligence, how you dealt with top secret information -- i mean, this goes through the entire presidency up until diagonal trump. people handle judiciously, carefully, lawfully.
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and he's used this as his own private playground. now what he was doing with this information, we will find out. but at the end of the day, stephanie, i believe that this hurts him in his quest, potentially, to win back the white house. because i think there's even a lot of republicans who say, you know what's? we can get a lot of the maga policy but we don't necessarily have to have these damaged goods. >> yeah, that's where ron desantis is waiting in the wings. matt? >> the one thing i want to add, and i think there's always been a misinterpretation since donald trump got elected president of the united states -- and it made benefit donald trump and his own ego, to be out there as conson and all of us talk about him, if you look at poll after poll after poll since donald trump got elected, is, every time he is front and center, a majority of americans react negatively to him. and so 2018, he is front and center. the democrats pick up any number of seats, take back the house and do that. in 2020, same is true. and when donald trump
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disappears from the conversation and mitch mcconnell understands this better than anyone, is better for the republicans. the republicans do not want this to be another referendum on incompetence and corruption related to donald trump. and every time he shows his face, though it may make the maga crowd cheer and get vociferous, a majority of americans, when donald trump appears -- they thought they had gotten rid of him. and now he's back. and that is only going to be to the detriment of the republicans in a general election. >> and in a general sense, when donald trump chose his face and starts talking, that is when people in our seats have to start fact-checking. david, trump is accusing obama, who you worked for, saying obama kept classified documents. the washington post pointed out, the obama team did not. they transferred any records to chicago through the national archives. if you explain this to us? you were part of that white house. debunk this lie that trump is trying to push.
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>> yeah, it's a lie, it's completely made up. so whether it's barack obama or bill clinton or george w. bush or george h. w. bush or ronald reagan, all those presidents believed in the rule of law. and part of that was procedures around documents. so, we don't know all the details. we have now seen what was part of the search warrant. but no president even richard nixon, didn't think about this. for donald trump to take classified information, top secret, maybe signals intelligence, which is the most sensitive information that we have, and around potentially nuclear weapons, it's hard to fathom. i mean, even for me, who thinks there is no bottom for donald trump. even this, to me, is surprising. and so it is a complete lie. and again, this is where donald trump stands apart from every former united states president.
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okay? every single one. and my guess is, every single one in the future. knock on wood. so, listen, this is an old standby. obama did or clinton did it or which did it. it's complete fairytale. and it is very malicious. because i think a lot of his base will believe it. but the fact that the matter is, presidents and their administration are under very strict guidelines with what happens with records, classified information etcetera, when they leave the white house. and trump is the only one who not only did it, apparently, but thought about bringing that stuff down to his private residence. and apparently, we will find out exactly what the motivation was, if that's true. we can all speculate about that. but this is a danger to national security. it is unprecedented. and again, listen, he is a bad guy. he was a bad president, in my view. but we shouldn't be surprised.
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this is basically -- he just doesn't think the rules apply to him. and i think there are a lot of republicans who ultimately -- now most republican voters -- who want that as well. in an autocracy, the rules don't apply to you. you are not held account for anything, stephanie. and i think that's what maybe the grand design is here for a lot of them, which is to live in a world where there is no accountability, from the voters, from the judicial system, from the press, from the rule of law. >> and we need it. and a quick reminder, invited him last night, again tonight. any republican in congress now who would like to discuss why they believe it is okay to have those documents down at a private residence in florida, come on over. i will be here every night at 11 pm. but for now, i want to say goodbye and thank you to david plouffe and matthew dowd, and good to see you both. when we come, back the inflation reduction act has passed in the house without one single republican voting for it. and now some of them are distorting what is in it.
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reduction act officially passed in congress today. this sweeping tax, climate and health bill will land on president biden's desk next week. and now the single republican voted for it. back with us tonight to discuss all of it, california congresswoman katie porter. katie, i heard you might even have a white board with you, which is really your signature move. and i'm excited about it. inflation reduction act, great name. now for all of those who say, president biden, what are you going to do about inflation? you've got it. explain to us how it is going to help the american people. >> the thrust of the bill is bringing down costs -- for american families, in the short term, through things like reducing health care premiums that families pay, within the affordable care act, reducing the price of prescription drugs, and reducing energy costs for families in terms of heating and cooling their homes. so, those are the three areas that families are going to see immediate investments in. but the other part of this is creating a strong, stable,
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globally competitive economy that is going to have the kind of energy independence and energy security that will help us fight forces like global instability that can lead to inflation in the future. so, i think this is a terrific economic plan in that it both addresses short term concerns, we are american families are right now. but also, as a mom, as someone who's thinking about the future, this sets us up to equal and best our global competitors in the economy of tomorrow. >> there are some republicans out there warning, with the passage of this bill, they will be, quote, an army of 87,000 irs agents coming for americans earning less than $75,000 a year. you want to fact check that? >> what -- would a load of malarkey. that is just not true. let me tell you the straight deal. i get phone calls every day from my constituents and colleagues around the country, asking for help with federal agencies that are not being responsive, that they are
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waiting on answers from. the number one agency that the american people would like to have -- to have more agents, be more helpful, pick up the phone, build better technology, be more responsive -- if the irs. so, this is an investment in allowing the iris to modernize and prepare for the wave of anticipated retirements in customer service agents that we are already facing. the oddest piece of this is focused on big corporations. and that is exactly why you are hearing republicans, who are beholden to those big corporations, try to weaken and attack this piece. the reality is, the focus of the bill on the audit piece is on big corporations. it is on cracking down on corporate tax cheats. and here is how the math works. for every dollar that we invest in irs enforcement, of the most wealthy americans, and the largest corporations -- with an army of lawyers and accountants to do their bidding -- we can recover $5 in taxes that
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are owed to the rest of us. and ultimately, this kind of investment is going to let us have a more stable tax structure going forward. >> it's good you have that white board. you can wipe it off. because i want you to fill it out for me again the next time you were here and explain to me how come private equity firms are still allowed to cheat this is tom. but we will save that for another day. i want to take the time i have left to ask you with this bill is going to do to address climate change. >> absolutely. this bill makes a historically important investment in green energy. and what this is going to do is allow the american economy to bust our competitors at winning green manufacturing jobs of the future. the country that is able to dominate on the world stage for the next ten, 50 years, is going to be the country that figures out how to do that in a way that is not dependent on fossil fuel prices, not dependent on petro dictators,
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not creating pollution that has to be cleaned up. it's the country that is going to do it in a green way. and so this makes a 50 billion dollar investment in technologies like wind and solar that are going to help us do that manufacturing without the constant burden of the pollution we have seen in some traditional manufacturing. so, for me, this is about creating good, high paying jobs and creating the foundation for more high paying jobs in the future. >> all right then, congressman katie porter, always good to see you, especially when you are celebrating on a friday night. thanks for coming. >> thank you. >> when we come back, after decades of death threats, an author who spent years in hiding with stabbed on a stage. how salman rushdie he's doing tonight when the 11th hour continues. continues. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose.
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ever read. it is called a satanic versus. and several powerful islamic leaders, including ayatollah khamenei, have sentenced author salman rushdie to death for blasphemy. >> the last thing before we go tonight, a horrific attack. famed author salman rushdie was stabbed onstage in western new york earlier this morning. rushdie famously spent years in hiding and in police protection after an iranian leader called for his execution. nbc's andrea mitchell has more. >> it's a scene of chaos, a shocking attack at a nearly 150-year-old artist retreat in upstate new york. >> the amphitheater -- presenter just attacked on the stage, i need ems. >> author salman rushdie stabbed right on stage before he was to give a lecture. police say the suspect, he's 24-year-old -- that he rushed on stage, attacking rusty and his
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interview were. where she suffered -- px i, and i witness. >> this guy rushes the stage and grabs rushdie and starts either punching or stabbing him. >> whereby charles seven or was in the audience and took this video after the attack. >> all i remember seeing that time was the assailants arm going up and down, up and down. it looked like mr. rushdie, who began on the chair, ended up on the floor. >> rushdie has lived with risk his life ever since a fat whatever decree in 1989, by then iran's supreme leader ayatollah khamenei, called for his murder. rush these novel, the satanic versus, was banned in iran, deemed blasphemous by religious fundamentalist. he talked about the threat with nbc's kate snow in 2020. >> you had to hide for, what, a decade? >> i always thought that the word hiding is very inexact. because one of the things
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anyone who has ever been surrounded by maximum security knows, is that it's unbelievably visible. >> years ago, iran's government distance itself from the fat web threats to rushdie continue. after being lifted to a hospital, rushdie was undergoing surgery. >> in an email to the new york times this evening, mr. rushdie's agent has that the author has suffered serious injuries and he's currently on a ventilator and unable to speak. and bc will continue to update you on his condition throughout the weekend. and tonight, he is in our prayers. but from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, i will sign off to you now. thanks for staying up late with us. i will see you on monday night. ay night happy friday. let's start right in. the title, quote, search and seizure warrant. it was filed in the united states district court for the southern district of florida and it reads, quote, in th

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