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they were weather. present that day. or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. we will follow the facts, wherever they lead. >> attorney general merrick garland gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight. growing legal challenges to the former president who spent hours taking the fifth in one investigation just days after the fbi's search at mar-a-lago for another. then as republicans rally around trump, democrats celebrate some big wins. we will fact-check some of the fiction coming from the right. plus the war on ukraine nearly six months in. ukrainians push back as fighting intensifies near a nuclear power plant. a four star general is standing by as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night.
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>> good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. tonight, brand-new reporting about what led the fbi to execute a search warrant as trump's florida home. the wall street journal said the department of defense may have got a tip from an insider after feds visited mar-a-lago in june to ask about government documents possibly stored there. the journal reports this. in the following weeks however someone familiar with the storm papers told investigators still may be still more documents at the private club after the national archives which he 15 boxes early in the year, people familiar with the matter said. and we see news is not can confirmed this reporting. the justice department has not commented on the search either. trump is wrapping up their bases attacks even suggesting that the fbi couldn't be planning incriminating evidence. >> do i know that the boxes of material that they took from mar-a-lago, that they won't put
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things in those boxes to entrap him? >> his lawyer said they brought in backpacks. what were in those backpacks? they put those in there to fill them up or do they put something in there? >> that concern that may have planted something. at this point who knows? let's just stop there, because millions of people are watching, that and others absolutely no evidence that the fbi planted anything. what donald trump is facing is legal scrutiny like no other president before him for both federal and state officials, and today in a separate investigation he finally showed up at the offices of the new york's attorney general letitia james in a deposition in her investigation into his business practices. a source tells nbc that over the course of four hours, trump took the fifth more than 440 times. is a lawyer tells nbc news he did answer one question, his name.
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he added that trump also read a statement in which he accused the attorney general of trying to destroy him. trump attacked her earlier today on his social media site and over the weekend on his cpac speech down in texas. >> i got a racist attorney general in new york that's been after me for years. she campaigned on the fact -- i will get donald trump, she doesn't know anything about me. i will get him. terrible people, these are terrible people. i built a great company. >> late today, attorney general james issued a statement of her own saying the investigation will continue. with that, let's continue this hour and get smarter with help of our lead off panel. jackie alameny who is been scooping up story after story this week congressional investigations reporter for the washington post and an msnbc contributor. barbara mcquade joins us, a federal former prosecutor in u. s. attorney general for the eastern district of michigan, she worked with the department
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of justice for the biden adminitration is now professor at the michigan school of law. and neal katyal is here, former acting solicitor general during the obama administration. he has argued dozens of cases before the u.s. supreme court. barbara, i want to start with you. here is what donald trump the former guy has said previously about those who take the fifth. >> fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fifth amendment. horrible. when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they are not prosecuted, i think it's disgraceful. you see the mob takes the fifth. if you are innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> but today donald trump wrote this, i once asked, if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? now i know the answer to that question. he says it's to protect his own interests.
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barb, is that how it works? >> yeah, you know when you have no shame and you don't care about hypocrisy, it's very easy to shift your position like this. i think the truth is that all of us have a fifth amendment right not to incriminate ourselves. our system is an adversarial system not an inquisitorial system and we have an absolute right to do that. i think where he was out of bounds was criticizing people who vote for their fifth amendment right not to testify. i suspect that laetitia james fully it expected him to invoke his fifth amendment right. today was his opportunity to tell his side of the story. if there's an innocent story for inflating routes and one occasion and deflating the same assets and another let's hear it. you got a good reason let's hear. that was his opportunity today. instead, he believed to stay silent today because he believed the truthful answers would incriminate him. the other thing about civil case is that unlike a criminal case, the fact finder is
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allowed to know the person refused to answer questions and may even draw an adverse inference from that fact. >> so that very point, we heard from former prosecutor andrew weissmann about what trump said or didn't say in where the case goes from here. watch this. >> in a civil case once the defendant who you are thinking of charging takes a fit in and then, you have a adverse inference, so if you have that i have to do is prove the case by preponderance, or once the jury's is going to be told that there's an adverse inference against the other side, your case is pretty well done. >> do you agree with that neil, the case is done? now that james can present this, here's my evidence, trump said nothing, here's my evidence trump said nothing. and if so, that's a bad look. >> that's exactly right. that's what will happen in the civil case. so trump is basically taking the civil case. why is he doing? because he's worried about the criminal allegations here. this is a fifth amendment
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privilege it's about criminal stuff, he's worried about corny jail for these offenses. and there is no adverse inference there. now zooming out steph, the big issue, we saw the former president's home raided on monday. first president ever in american history to have that done. today i think we have another historic thing. i'm not aware of any other former president who has ever taken the fifth amendment before. our 45th president has now taken it over 420 times today. you have to ask why? to me, it's because he and his lawyers -- as lawyers are able to convince him of the herculean task of shutting up for four hour, something donald trump has never done for before. reason is his attorneys and ultimately trump said if you answer these questions of something damaging to say, then yes it really does seem that trump's lawyer linked to a laundry list of crimes as the republicans are saying. the reason why he is going to
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is that he played fasten loose with the ball so much, and so not a lot is catching up with him in a really powerful way, after mondays a band and then today's. >> that is a good point. knowing donald trump the way we do, he can not have liked sitting for a total of four hours today. jacqui, let's turn to stop scott perry. a longtime republican ally of donald trump. we know he got his phone seized yesterday. his lawyer says, he's been told he scott perry is not a target. if he's not, what are they looking for? >> yes stephanie, i think everything that we are hearing from lawyers representing people who are under investigation right now is to be taken with a grain of salt. scott perry is after all someone to comply with the january 6th select committee investigating the insurrection when there's been a mountain of evidence showing his direct
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involvement in some of the efforts to overturn the election. for over two years now and it was first in the senate judiciary report that actually outlined his involvement in efforts specifically at the department of justice to overturn the election results. he was the person that made the introduction between mark meadows, donald trump and jeffrey clark who ultimately did the president's bidding at the department of justice, and he was really the connecting tissue between members of congress and to the white house and the coordination that occurred in order to try to find some ways to support the former president's schemes. it is quite possible that perry is ultimately not the target, but regardless they feel that investigators feel that there is evidence that he could have. we know that he was in frequent touch with jeffrey clark, in
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frequent touch as well with people in the west wing, especially around that time period. we've already seen some of his text messages come out as a result of mark meadows handing over thousands of his messages at the beginning of the january six investigation. so there's certainly a litany of things that they're gonna want to check out even if perry is not himself the actual target. >> mark meadows, who we talk a lot about who we hear from very rarely. neil, there are some reports today, we've been asking for days, why did the government know, how did they know, why did they think there were more classified documents that they hadn't seen? now there are reports that someone in trump's circle may have tipped them off. does that seem likely to you? >> yes, steph, within an hour of the news breaking, on our network there was someone saying i think the government has someone on the inside. reason for that is it didn't strike me as plausible that the government would risk this kind of massive search with all the attention and certainly all the
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backlash that trump and his minions are gonna say unless they knew there was something there. it does look like there is a serious violation, not just the stealing of government property, which is itself a crime, but classified information. it's important to remember, donald trump does not have a security clearance the way presidents normally do, because president biden determined he could not trust trump with the nations secrets. so if trump does have classified information, he's totally unauthorized and unable to possess it. everyone acknowledges you're safe or something like that is not somewhere to store classified information, but he may not be able to obtain classified information even even if you put it in a safe. donald trump is the guy who just a few years ago signed into law a bill that made it a felony to do the kinds of things that he is doing. so you know it's not surprising
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that the government has someone on the inside and acted accordingly. >> barb, nbc's reporting that some people within the department of justice what merrick garland to explain the mar-a-lago search. does that surprise you? >> not really. it's a difficult call and i would be surprised if merrick garland does that, because he has said repeatedly that the justice department has certain norms. they are designed to protect the accused from being disparaged in the press as hillary clinton was by james comey several years ago. and it's even more important to adhear those norms during challenging times. for that reason i would be surprised if he does, but i could see other might be advocating for it. you can say a lot of things by way of explaining without disclosing details about the investigation itself. for example, how a search warrant works. the authority necessarily get it. the kinds of things that might prompt the seeking of a search
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warrant. the significance of classified information, the definition -- this isn't just a laundry list that donald trump held on to. classified information is defined as information of which the disclosure of which would cause great damage to the national security of the united states. so maybe that there's room, middle ground for him as he said before with updates on the january six investigation, to just sort of explain the big picture but why the justice department does certain things and how it works just to assure the public that this is on the up and up. >> here's what i want to explain jackie. right-wing media and lawmakers are on every possible social outlet attacking the doj and the fbi for the search. but is anyone defending or explaining why in the world donald trump had all these documents to begin with? >> no stephanie, they are not. and also everything that we have reported so far even with these lingering questions left really undercut all of the
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unsubstantiated false claims being put forward right now by conservative media and people trying to claim that this is the fbi trying to weaponize this search and trying to politically damage the former president. this is a former president who has never adhered to the presidential records act throughout his four years in office we documented and reported on that extensively. this is also someone who is already fast up to taking back inappropriately 15 boxes of documents that some of which were ultimately classified documents to mar-a-lago which have already been retrieved. that was even before these new 12 boxes were retrieved by the fbi.
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again, i think that in the coming days we are going to see new information come out that supports why the fbi ultimately decided to execute the search warrant and while the post hasn't independently confirmed that there was an aide to the former president who flipped essentially and provided this information, there is something that had to aggravate the situation in order for the fbi to take these measures and decide, okay we're gonna make the calculus of going right in there and getting it ourselves. again, if we even just look at the data points that were in those 15 boxes that the national archives already retrieved, there was 100-page inventory that we got a readout of of the unclassified items and a three-page inventory of the classified items. even in those classified items if there's just a sentence or a paragraph or a small portion of
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top secret information which we have been told is actually contained in some of these items that require special handling, that can do great harm to national security at the end of the day. >> and note, it is not the overwhelming majority of republican lawmakers defending trump. it is the right wing regulars and they're saying it loudly. neil, before we go, what is your take we are seeing from the right-wing media over and over that the fbi may have planted evidence at mar-a-lago? on any of our reporting there's absolutely no evidence of that. what do you think? it is damaging to tell that to the american people, it is like the big lie part two. >> 100% stephanie. i think the legal term for that is poppycock. it's not just republicans in general. donald trump himself went on his social media site and suggested it as well, about the fbi and who put the fbi director in place?
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a guy named donald trump, chris ray is his appointee he put him there. the whole evidence planting narrative to me smacks of desperation. the fact that these republicans are resorting to these lies about the fbi, instead of defending trump, we're getting exactly what you said steph, explaining why donald trump has all these documents in his possession, they can't do, that's for the shifting the narrative. the other thing i would say is give me a break. now these folks want to say, all the fbi wants to plants evidence? thousands of people prosecuted day in and day out, and there's all sorts of legitimate complaints against the law enforcement. he's talking about donald trump, i don't think there's any a chance in the world that the fbi's planting evidence. that's looney tunes. it does happen in other low-level settings, and that's a real thing that americans should be thinking of. >> they should be thinking about it but for any news organization suggesting it or
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reporting it, there are no facts supporting it. jackie alemany, anybody equate, neal katyal, thank you so much for joining us tonight. when we come back, president biden signs another important bill into law as the house prepares to vote on a sweeping climate and health care bill. why it all matters for the american people now. and later, historian jon meacham is here on what has already been a very busy week of big news involving a former president and it's only hump day. his take on the state of the country tonight. the 11th hour just getting underway on a busy wednesday night. nesday night.
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this is the most significant law our nation has ever passed to help millions of veterans who were exposed to toxic substances during their military services. you know secretary mcdonough can tell you, i was gonna get this done come hell or high water. >> president biden signed the pact act into law today. it is just the latest in a string of wins for the president, including a recent bipartisan deal on guns and competitiveness with china. later this week, the house is expected to pass the inflation reduction act which would represent huge investments in climate and health care. with us tonight to discuss our own simone sanders townsend, former communications director for vice president harris and host of the show simone right here on peacock and tim miller,
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contributor to the bulwark and former communications director to jeb bush. she wrote the book'why we did it'. you wrote that this week should be dominated by positive white house deadlines headlines because of all these legislative winds. is it getting overshadowed by the trump headlines even those are bad for trump? biden is not getting headlines? >> you know stephanie i think the white house is doing everything they can to push through. the day the president signed - he signed the chips act this week, he did a whole thing on the south lawn. and after it was starting, none of the networks covered it, it wasn't on television, once the president started speaking, but you heard very little mention of it leading up to it. the chips act is huge. the semiconductors, everything from the cars to the toasters, they all need chips, the cell
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phones, the laptops. so a very big deal but you're not hearing about it necessarily on the front pages if you will when you turn on the television because so many things have been happening. so the white house had to get creative. it's not just on them though. democrats across the board, this is something folks are at home in district, the senate, the house should be talking about everything everywhere they can, because it is something to celebrate. >> does this cripple though tim republicans and their communication strategy? weeks and weeks ago, it was all about supply chain shortages and blaming the president and inflation and blaming the president. now republicans across the board have to go to their home districts and say yes, i did not sign something literally called the inflation reduction act and they haven't offered any alternative? >> it does feel like the republicans settled on their midterm message in spring and then a bunch of new stuff happened in summer. these campaigns are long and you have to be nimble. i think they have struggled to
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be honest to settle on a message to put back on biden. the over arching message that was that this white house was feckless, that they were not competent and that they have all these problems, and that biden isn't capable of solving them. well now, there's biden and this administration working with congress has directly addressed a lot of the problems of people have including inflation. i think if you watched fox and saw republican messaging for about a week, there was a lot of flailing, and i think over the last two days, you've seen them run rallying to the former president's defense, i don't know how that's gonna happen in the midterms. and they're gonna zero win in these 87,000 new irs agents and that maybe a little bit of an area where they have a little bit of a message that will work. but i think democrats in congress have are in a better position and have something
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better to talk about when they go home for the august recess and they were a month ago. >> simone, months ago they said voting rights are hugely important but it's tough to connect them with the american people. they're not obscure but they feel that way. americans like kitchen table issues. and if you think of all the things that biden has done over the last few weeks is all about kitchen table issues. shortages, gun control, inflation. these are the things people talk about every single night. the fact that he's now taken this on, can this change things come the midterms which last month we thought would be shaky for democrats? >> i mean, i absolutely think it can stephanie. we are seeing the results in primary results. wisconsin and minnesota just on tuesday, we saw kansas, the special primary where the ballot initiative to keep abortion in the constitution
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passed it did not, past was defeated because activists and organize in the democrat congressional campaign was out with some new research basically that says they see a fighting chance for themselves in the midterms. look, i think that this difference between kitchen table issues and social issues is a bunch of malarkey. because the issue is if you are a woman in this country and you live in a state right now where abortion is now illegal or you can't get it after six weeks, that is a kitchen table issue for you if the health care you need is an abortion. for a child, for the people in uvalde, texas, gun safety measures, people all across this country, gun safety measures are table kitchen table issue. so i think the president has put his money where his mouth is. i worked on the campaign. he has delivered on a number of pieces of the agenda that he said he was going to do. the question stephanie's how do
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the people sell it? and i think you can expect my democratic friends to be out in full force comes to timber after vacation trying to sell this agenda and trying to connect with the folks across the country telling them exactly what this means for them. >> tim, the role reversal. that sort of republicans put the money where their mouth was. they talked about it forever and ever and now they got it. it hurt them in kansas, it's starting to hurt them in polls across the country. is that where you are seeing? >> i think so. i think it remains to be seen about whether it's going to yield a kansas-like reaction in house districts across the country. here's where it's definitely going to make a difference and where the democrats can really presser vantage. in these key swing states where the governor's races, where the governorship is up. wisconsin, pennsylvania, arizona. it's really important for the 2024 election security who the governor is there and in all three of the states republicans have taken radical antiabortion views. from the moment of conception, no exceptions, these things only have 10% support. even republicans don't support this as we saw in kansas. i think if democrats can look at, wisconsin, pennsylvania and
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arizona particular, they if these folks become our governor they can say our democracies are risk, if your cannot get or an abortion within a week, if a ten year old child gets raped is at risk, that is gonna resonate in these purple states and it's a big opportunity for these democrats. we'll see potentially if he could be an opportunity in other places as well. >> you've got some far, far right candidates in a whole bunch of other states. we are paying attention. simone sanders host of simone right here on msnbc and peacock, and tim miller, thank you so much. coming up, ukraine on offense. general barry mccathry is here on the significance of ukraine's latest attack when the 11th hour continues.
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large out-of-state corporations have set their sights on california. they've written prop 27, to allow online sports betting. they tell us it will fund programs for the homeless. but read prop 27's fine print. 90% of profits go to out-of-state corporations, leaving almost nothing for the homeless. no real jobs are created here. but the promise between our state and our sovereign tribes would be broken forever. these out-of-state corporations don't care about california. but we do. >> it's been more than a minute stand with us.
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since we've had a chance to report on the now 167-day long conflict in ukraine, and it matters. why? because there has been no end to the destruction. for example, ukraine's military says nine russian planes were just destroyed and an airbase and crimea, which of course has been under russian control since 2014. russia has done either damage or that attack even happened at all. with us tonight to discuss, one of the best experts. retired four star u.s. army general, barry mccaffrey, a decorated combat veteran of vietnam, and a former battlefield commander in the persian gulf. general, every time i read that
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introduction, i am reminded how lucky we are to have you here. help us understand this. this escalation, how big of a deal is it? because there is reporting that it was carried out by ukraine special forces. >> yeah, well we don't know exactly what the weapon delivery system was. it seems unlikely that it was ukraine aircraft, or cruise missile, you can spot those in the air. it's well beyond a range of u. s. supply himars rockets. it was multiple explosions. even given secondary effects. look to me like a series of sabotage initiated events. with aviation bombs rockets, fuel, in the area, probably and properly stored the boot, it was a devastating strike. and it was in crimea, and that's not too far from the heartbeat of the russian navy, so i think it was a significant event. ukrainians are being pretty quiet about it. they are leaking information,
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not doing a victory dance, but they understand a political sensitivity about this. >> i want to turn to the fighting around ukraine's nuclear facilities. what is the latest on how dangerous that situation is? >> well it's a level of irresponsibility on part of the russian, to be honest surprises me. they did go, they understand the power of nuclear radiation. and the lingering effects of wind blowing, this material into back into russia would be devastating to them also. so it's completely irresponsible. the level of ignorance of russian tactical unit, earlier in the war, up north, north of kyiv, in another power plants, they were digging in heavily contaminated chernobyl radiation areas. so i don't know understand what they are thinking. i think they have a bad control of their tactical unit.
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this makes no sense. it would be a strategic disaster. the europeans would be even more outraged if they put it risk the fairly confined land area of the south of ukraine. >> how would you assess where we are in the war right now? in the early months, we were following it day in, day out, hour by hour. where did things stand now? >> well i think first of all, no one is quite sure. we don't understand the level of ukrainian casualties. the internal struggles that they are going through, they're operational security has been good. that's a right thing for them to do. they are not trying to give vulnerabilities to the russian forces. having said that, the u.s. finally came out and said the russians have suffered 80,000 killed and wounded, and lost a massive amount of their equipment by some counts, more
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than a third of the modernized weapons that they went into ukraine with. they are in trouble. they are running out of their smart ammunitions, a lot of their military technology depends on foreign imports and ships, sophisticated equipment. they legally, in theory, can't send conscripts into the fight into ukraine, special military operation. he has to declare general mobilization. which putin is a fair fault to do, rightfully so. and then finally, there are some great work coming out of yale university. talking about the russian economy is crumbling. in fact, they are not able to pay for the war. simply through the sales of energy supplies to the western europe. and they can't find new customers in china or elsewhere overnight. so putin is in a disaster as the war grinds on. the question is, will nato stay with the ukrainians? i think they will. we are right on the verge of having both sweden and finland
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become the 31st and 32nd nations who are part of nato. >> but even if russia is currently losing the war, and their economy is suffering, vladimir putin isn't losing his well. so how scary is that? desperate times cause for desperate measures. >> well i think you make a good point, he is in a corner. it's hard to see any way out. and by the way, the notion of zelenskyy put on the table, categorically, that russia which sees crime area in 2014 and sees it as a russian enclave is part of russian, mother russia. zelenskyy saying, everything is on the table, we are gonna re-grain sovereignty over all of our material -- our land area. putin will never ever consider leaving the crimea among other things, never mind eastern parts of ukraine, the donbas, and other areas. so i think he is desperate. there is no limit to the potential escalation he could
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try. i don't think he is going to use nuclear weapons. that would open pandora's box on them. and i think the generals know that. but he is definitely not gonna give up. the question is, will the russian military start to crumble? and we would hope to see that in the coming months, perhaps by the end of the year. >> will russia give up on putin? >> general thank you for joining us, general barry mccaffrey. coming up, it has been a long, long week. and it's only wednesday! one of our favorite historians, john meacham, is here to help put some of the major news we are covering into context. when the 11th hour continues. turns out, some wishes do come true. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general.
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party. i want to bring in pulitzer prize historian different of the show jon meacham, author of'and there was light, abraham lincoln an american struggle'which will be out in october. occasionally advises our current president as well. john you posted a portion of jfk's speech on twitter. why did you do that? >> i was preparing a podcast for next week on the anniversary of james meredith an incredibly courageous black man, who integrated old mist. he graduated next week and is putting together an anniversary package that. and i read kennedy speeches which have been done obviously year before when oxford, mississippi was in riots. see if this sounds familiar? when a huge chunk of the country, my chunk of the country largely was being defiant of the will of the federal government which was the manifestation of the national will about applying the declaration the principles of the declaration of
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independence through constitutional means to create a more perfect union. ha! as mark twain is reputedly to of said, history may not repeat itself but it does rhyme. so what with kennedy's speech was just this great oratory does, as great insights do, it resonated. he says later in that same address from the fall of 62, that if the rule of law collapses, then no judge can be sure of his writ and no neighbor can be sure of his safety. i think that is the huge point here, is that the rule of law is a covenant. it protects you because you respect it in protecting others. that's the entire fuel mixture of democracy, of american
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democracy, and we have been imperfect. obviously i come from a region where many of us refused to accept the verdict of the civil war, the import of the 13, 14, and 15th amendments for decade upon decade upon decade. but that story, even though it unfolds in some ways is largely i think, should be an example to us. what side do we, you and i want to be on when people are telling the story of this time? do you want to be on the side of the people who are breaking the rule of law, or do you want to be on the side of people who actually stood up and understood that the constitution has to be preserved? >> well john, the washington post is reporting that historians like yourself are actually trying to warn president biden that democracy is teetering. what you were just laying out
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for us. so what does the president need to understand about where we have been historically in where we are right now? >> that was a private meeting, i was there. joe biden is my friend, i help him when i can so take this with all that context. without revealing anything that i shouldn't reveal, president biden understands this in his bones. he talks about democracy versus autocracy. he sees this global struggle. you were just talking to general mccaffrey about a hot front in ukraine. we are seeing it in this vicious attack on the rule of law at home. the success in republican primaries of election deniers, people want to take away your right to vote, the right to
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choose your own leader. so this is what i really think we have to understand, starting with president biden, that is really a stress test for all citizens, is that this is a great test. democracies have not historically long endured. if this were easy, everybody would be doing it. america is not easy and it's because it requires this sense of i am going to defer to you today because there's a pretty good chance that i'm going to need to you to defer to me tomorrow. and the only way i'm going to defer to you is if i am pretty sure that i have a confidence that you are going to hold up your side of the covenant, and that's what's at risk. >> a growing number of americans don't want to work. you recently posted something about the word unprecedented and i hate that word. i used to ban it on the show. people would use, it i make them pay me $2. because for four years we
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gasped on tv and said it's unprecedented. but the thing is, people want to break those norms. the former president laughed at it, he loved it. so this idea what's happening is unprecedented, they don't care, they actually love it. >> they may like it but the precedence we have to pay attention to is a rule of law, a love of neighbor and a mutual respect. otherwise it's not going to matter, because then we will descend into a state of total warfare all the time. i'm not arguing for some sentimental past. i don't think there's - when people talk about restoring certain things, hello wasn't all that great then right? i'm a boring heterosexual white southern episcopalian male. things work out okay for me, but for a lot of people it doesn't. and the story of this country is a journey towards a more perfect union, not a perfect one. what we have to remind ourselves in this is hugely
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important and makes where you do so important, is in the lived experience a lot of people, america doesn't really work. it starts with september 11th. there's the bad intelligence with iraq, there's the financial crisis, there is covid, there's donald trump is this huge force. i teach students at vanderbilt who were born after the attacks of september 11th. so that's where their political consciousness was shaped. that is donald trump. so therefore let me just say this -- it puts a huge burden to tell a story that the rule of law that having a constitution that can be perfected is central. otherwise, and maybe you disagree, but here's the question. what comes next?
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if you tear this up, what comes next? and if you can't answer that,? >> i'm reminded of steve bannon who wanted to tear the system down and in terms of a perfect union, you have all sorts of americans who do not want us to be a union and i leave you with the reminder that the whole premise of make america great again, while there is millions of americans who want to do that. for millions of other americans, it wasn't great. it wasn't great before 2021 or 22 for lots of us. unfortunately, we are out of time jon, but please come back always. i love talking to you. jon meacham thank you. coming up, the day it was a long time coming and an ovation for the man who helped make it happen when the 11th hour continues. continues. that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general.
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dedicated veterans and their families did not leave capitol hill until the pact act was passed last week. and he has not left their side for years. this man has devoted so much of his time and energy to help american veterans and 9/11 first responders. and john stewart clearly gets results. president biden recorded a video and facetimed with the protesters on the capitol steps to show his support, he also called stewart personally to thank him for his advocacy for veterans. today, biden got the chance to thank the word in person when he signed the bill officially into law. so here it is. a moment of zen. >> and john, i want to thank you again, i wanted to come up and hang out with the capitol steps, but the secret service said that would be a pain in the neck, and wouldn't let me do it. so at least we did a little video out there. but what you have done john, matters. and you know it does. you should know. it really, really matters. your refusal to let anybody
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forget, refused to let them forget, and we owe you big, man. we owe you big. [applause] [applause] >> you got to love a guy from jersey. thank you john stewart for making us laugh and even more importantly, for making us care. and on that note. i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with us. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow tonight on all in. >> you see the mob takes the fifth. if you are innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> what a difference a few years makes. >> former president trump in a new statement says he pleaded the fifth amendment today. >> what we know about donald trump's deposition in new york, and what we're learning about what led up to the search in mar-a-lago and disinformat

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