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resolved. vitals remain absolutely normal. although he still has some congestion and a hoarse voice. we heard that in the video we played earlier in our program. a stage of recovery familiar to just about all of us who have contracted covid-19 over the last two and a half years. another familiar thing, how much the company of one's dog can help when you have covid. the white house tweeting this photo of president biden earlier still in isolation, taking his morning calls with commander right there on the couch. caption reads, man's best coworker. thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. >> sometimes the best doctor's advice is just woof woof. >> i spent a lot of the pandemic with my dog, too, when i was isolating with my family. they slept in the twin bed with me where i was -- >> right, you had -- >> where i had been exiled. >> you have to be careful with people, but then you have your best friend. it's relatable.
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>> totally. have a good show. >> i'll see you soon. thank you. thanks to nicole, and thanks to you for joinings. this is "the beat." i'm ari melber. we're tracking several stories. the january 6th committee dropped new evidence today. you might be thinking, wait, why wouldn't they include it in the hearing? but they had so much stuff, like what you see on the screen, that didn't make the hearing. this is a draft of trump's speech the day after. because he was crossing out any reference to prosecuting those blatant lawbreakers. and then there's this new testimony. >> do you recognize what this is? >> it looks like a copy of a draft of the remarks for that day. >> do you recognize the handwriting? >> it looks like my father's
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handwriting. >> it looks like here he crossed out that he was directing the department of justice to ensure all law breaks are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, we must send a clear message, not with mercy, but with justice. legal consequences must be swift and firm. do you know why he wanted that crossed out? >> i don't know. >> he also has crossed it, i want to be very clear, you do not represent me. you do not represent our movement. do you know why he crossed that language out of the statement? >> i don't know. >> that is the audio there, jared kushner taking the i don't know defense while ivanka trump, for what it's worth, seemed to be more direct about what that was. of course you don't need to draw a lot of inferences to understand, given the context, that donald trump when pressed by his aides and speechwriters to say the bare minimum about those people didn't want to say
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it. meanwhile, congressman schiff argues congress wants to take the relatively rare step of trying to put secret service agents under oath. >> well, you know, i think if they're hiring criminal defense counsel then they probably have a concern about their potential criminal liability. we want to hear from these witnesses. some we want to hear from again. we want to put them under oath if they weren't previously so we can understand exactly what was happening january 5th and 6th. >> that's how the committee is approaching its probe. meanwhile, new signs that the justice department criminal probe is picking up steam. the top aide to mike pence cooperating, we believe work a subpoena to face the doj's grand jury, and based on the public evidence right now that would make him the highest ranking trump official to go in and face what is a criminal grand jury impanelled to deal with potential crimes. when they start interviewing people in the white house, the question, is what are they
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asking about? do they think they were crimes in the white house? i want to get to our guests. i'm join bid david kornacki, and speak of the law, donna perry, former deputy attorney general for the state of new york. welcome to both of you. i want to go to david first, not on the law, but on the mounting evidence. this committee hearing late last week clearly captivated the nation. we have more details on the data on that later in this program. and then you see something that frankly in any normal hearing would be a big deal. draft of a presidential speech not given, giving aid and comfort, potentially, to insurrectionists, obtained only after you won a fight with the supreme court to get those kind of records. and yet they had so much, david, that news, new tonight, is what was on the cutting room floor. >> and we're going to see other
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outtakes. they're going to do a preliminary report in october, maybe before, to get things out there and, probably spend the time after the elections to do something more comprehensive, because they're drowning in material in witness testimony, factual documents and so on. so there's a lot more to come here. and i think we've seen their presentation, the way they've organized the story has been very compelling. up to now there were a lot of different strands of the january 6th story, fake electors. what happened in georgia, john eastman, mike pence, what happened on january 6th we can saw, and donald trump's tentacles in all these various elements. and they went through it step by step by step and landed the big hearing on thursday night with the biggest fact -- it's undeniable. you don't need evidence for it. when the country was under attack, when the government was under attack, he did nothing. he took a powder. and there's only one reason why
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he would do that -- because he liked what was happening. so there's more to come, but they've done a great job so far of organizing the way we as a country think about what happened. >> donia, what does it mean when trump white house aides are inside that grand jury box? do we have donia? did we lose both of them or just donia? >> hey, david. i still got you, david? >> i think so. >> it's still a pandemic zoom era. we'll try to get her back in. since i have you, i'll table that question and show you something you mentioned, which is the rather controversial outtakes, things trump said that didn't go out at the time. take a look. >> this election is now over. congress has certified the results. i don't want to say the election's over. i just want to say congress has certified the results, without
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saying the election's over, okay? >> david? >> he can't accept reality. and that goes up till today. that was on january 7th. in the last couple days he's asked wisconsin to pull back votes. he thinks somehow he can gain the election. he refused to accept the reality on that speech. refused to go along with aides who are beseeching him, including his family members to declare there would be a peaceful transition and recognize the election was done. the speech you showed with his edits, a thought it was key -- someone wrote a line for him regarding the rioters -- you do not represent me. he cut that out. it would seem to me that in a case like that you'd want to distance yourself from the rioters, the domestic terrorists, the insurrectionists. he would not do that.
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>> yeah, can we -- can we pause on that? you make such an important point. these standards have been so diminished. i'm old enough to remember -- i don't know about you, david, because i don't speculate on anybody's age, but i'm old enough to remember these ridiculous unending exercises where candidates would be asked, do you denounce and decry something that somebody said over here at a civil rights rally they weren't at? or somebody said with some other level of controversy. i know obama and hillary clinton were put to that standard. multiple interviews, multiple debates. and sometimes they were words objectionable to people. they would renounce, decry, rebuke. they weren't even linked to these people. here you have crimes, national security emergency by the people he summoned, and as you point out -- i want to make sure this is breaking through the nation. as you point out, he can't say
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anything negative about them because apparently, david, he thought they did represent him. >> well, they are his people, and we saw that day people waiving confederate flags, qanoners. they were all out there. these are the dregs of far right fanaticism. when given the chance to say, you don't represent me when you attack the capitol, he can't bring himself to do that. he wanted them there. he was on the phone that day. this is one of the unanswered questions from thursday night's hearing. he was phone that day twice with rudy giuliani who was dwoel in life was to delay the certification. what were they saying, plotting, planning? they were using these people. they were exploiting the violence because they were hoping to delay whatever was going to happen and see what to
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do next. these were his terrorists. >> new york i think you lay the that out. david, i don't know if you have been in the zoom pandemic birthday calls where the person has to redial. donia has done that for us. thank you. i see you're back. teeing up the same question from earlier -- david and i were talking while you were getting back in with us about the outtake, about donald trump's culpability, about what he refused to say. but back up to the question i asked you. we know white house aide mark short facing a doj grand jury. what is that about? >> david, before i unfortunately zoomed out, used the metaphor of drowning in information, a couple of the committee members talked about the flood gates opening the, dam beginning to break. so a lot is coming out and one of the effects of the
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committee's investigation is plying witnesses loose who were hesitant. as "new york times" reported, it has had a way of jolting the department of justice to some extent. and so clearly that investigation is heating up, and witnesses seem more willing now to come forward both with the committee and with all the extra tools that the department of justice has to come forward in that grand jury investigation. so i think this is the beginning, but we'll see. there's a trickle and there may be a good. >> that's the fed, and then can we talk about georgia. >> mm-hmm -- that's -- >> yeah, you've got this news that the governor of georgia is headed in in that d.a. probe. that's a big deal. of course he did at times clash with donald trump over some of these elicit or possibly illegal
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demands. here's the headline. georgia governor kemp will testify in probe over trump's bid to overturn the election. what do you see going on down there? is it past the point of no return legally? where it looks like somebody's going to get charged with something. or is it still possible they two this far and stand down, in your view? >> it's certainly legally possible, but by all indications, willis is going somewhere and doing something. there's been a blizzard of target letters and subpoenas within the past few weeks. it's not a narrow focus. seems wide. seems like it might encompass racketeering charges, not just obstruction or election interference. so i think it would be surprising just having been around these kinds of investigations for so long, to see a thud at the end of this. i think she has her eye at least on some targets. remains to be seen, of course,
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how high up the targets will go. >> and finally, what does it mean and why send target letters like that. >> you cut out. what does what mean? >> hang with me. i sid why would a d.a. send a target letter like that? >> i think it certainly is a signal of what she's doing, and i think it certainly makes -- gives notice of of course to potential targets and shows how focused she is and how far ranging her investigation is. and i think it has the same effect, perhaps, as some of these hearings that we have been seeing and will pry witnesses loose, give them cause for concern. so it might have this effect of bringing people out of the woodwork and encouraging them to
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testify. >> yeah, understood. we have our shortest break right now. we're going to turn to what steve bannon did and why he did it, running to tucker carlson after his conviction. we'lle we're back in 60 seconds. n n we'lle we're back in 60 seconds. libertymutual.com they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need... and you could even save $652 when you switch. ok, i need a crowbar. limu, call a mechanic. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. ♪ ♪
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♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ it may seem like a while ago, but we headed into the weekend friday night with steve bannon convicted, the trump aide found guilty of everything he was accused of. he went on tucker carlson. that's a maga audience, and got this idea of events. >> the idea you would send someone to prison because you didn't like his political views -- there's no allegation you organized january 6th, stormed the capitol. i didn't think this could happen.
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did you think it could happen? >> 100%. they took away every possible defense. we didn't even put under defense. >> how do you feel about going the jail? are you confident you would be safe there, for example? >> first off, if i go to jail, i go to jail. i will never back off. i will never back off. i support trump and the constitution, and i'm not backing off one inch. >> the claims you heard there -- fact check -- true. it is true that bannon was not charged or convict offend anything relating to the capitol itself. he was convicted of simply not participating in any way of the process, of defying the committee at a time when so many loyal trump aides and his own children cooperated to some degree, everyone though at times people took the fifth. tucker carlson making sympathetic arguments. what he's saying in those selections we showed you are not things that are false, but designed to present the idea of bannon as a victim.
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it is a wholly sympathetic view of the trump world in this probe. that is only one part of fox news. and here's what's interesting tonight -- there are other trump friendly outlets taking a very different tack, including two newspapers in the same fox news parent company run by rupert murdoch. the new york post condemning trump now based on the new evidence saying, quote, there's now no defense for the refusal to stop that violence. or the "the wall street journal," influential in conservative and business circles, saying about mr. trump, quote, character's reveal in the a crisis. mr. pence passed his january 6th trial. mr. trump utterly failed his. and there are media outlets separate from, say, msnbc, which full disclosure is on the news and has its own relationship with fox, but i want to show you other headlines here, saying it's clear that murdoch is tired of trump, and there are basically condemnations coming
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from these murdoch companies. meanwhile, on fox news itself, wherele many of conservatives still get their news, which is also owned by rupert murdoch, there may be further splitting. tucker's going to tucker, but take a look at this. >> laying out all of these 187 minutes makes him look horrific. it really does. the president's inaction and the vice president's action getting on the phone is very telling. >> you'll notice the banner underneath him said "why trump waited to stop the riot", like they were going kpint, but that anchor saying it all looked horrible. meanwhile, americans paying attention to the evidence. local papers, far outside of the beltway or new york, talk about what they've learn from the evidence. trump as broken pledge, the words he was never able to speak sfwrk carnage raw by the president on that day and everything that led up to it. as for americans, they continue
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to follow this closely. we live in a time of great cynicism and sometimes fact free speculation, but what you see on your screen is a tail of sustained interest, not a dropoff. far left, open hearing dropping a whopping 20 million people combined, plus whoever reacted and watched further clips online. that was the primetime hearing. the daytime hearings you see drawing 10 million, 11 million. back to the final hearing and it's up in the same realm, over 17.5 million, plus everything else the people heard as they discussed it over the weekend and online. you take it all together, and what do you have here? something that might not be cool the say, because everyone likes to kind of play cool and say nothing matters anymore. there's kind of this weird nihilism you hear across the political spectrum these days, but here are the facts whether it's cool or not. ten of millions of people are watching this. the evidence matters. let alone on the right, people
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who don't have a preconceived notion of the ex president, there's a dealing and concern and reckoning for the evidence, evidence that shows a president trying to end american democracy. we have a very special guest on why this matters and where we're headed after this break. mattere headed after this break. [whistling] when you have technology that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right?
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it's not just me that is saying that donald trump is unfit for office. it's other entities owned by
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rupert murdoch, it's the new york post. "the wall street journal" said the same thing after our hearing on thursday night, so i'm going to continue to be guided by making sure i do my duty and making sure that the american people understand the truth. >> liz cheney speaking on fox about this split. we're joined now by an em my award winning producer and writer and advocate, welcome back. >> thank you so much, ari. >> there's something happening here. what is it? >> um, it's possibly the signs of a republican crackup about to happen. i'm struck by one of the things that is not yet happening, which is prominent republicans, republican politicians turning on trump. that has not happened. and i think that they may want to ride this ride always way down. i'm curious, are they going to
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split out? >> tucker carlson, we showed that. here's a little bit more of mr. bannon and him. >> the democrats are completely lawless, and look how they've run the committee. there's no ranking member. there's no minority council. it's not like the traditional hearings that have galvanized the nation in the past, and i think it's one of the reasons it hasn't had that big of an impact. they interview the peep on the trial, at this time working class people didn't know what was going on. >> fact check -- false -- >> look -- >> i mentioned, michael, some of the claims they made for true about the process. i guess bannon needs that audience to believe this is not important or irrelevant. and yet it has broken through in all these ways. so "a," your reaction, go ahead and finish the thought you were going to share, and bank account, since you have been such an insider, how does this work? is there a way mr. murdoch and
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other executives are opening more conscious space in these companies? >> well, i would discount a little bit the op-eds in the post in "wall street journal." i don't think op-eds have as much influence as they used to, if they ever did. clearly fox news itself is doubling or tripling down, both on the bannon nonsense and on maga, and it's unlikely to turn any time soon. that said, all you need is to peel away 5% or 6% of the republican electorate from trump and something profound has happened. >> when you look at that final hearing, what did you think of the way they concluded what they say now is sort of book one or part one, they're going to come back to it. but they really end with the physicality. i guess there are some people who are going to tune this out, but if you are any kind of open minded listener or patriotic
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american and you hear secret service agents talking to each other about how they have to bid their families good-bye because they're bracing for something lethal and they're not easily shook. and you see in the evidence that lethal thing that they were going face down, michael, was organized by the president they're sworn to protect. >> i think the problem is that for the hard core maga people, the violence and cruelty is part of the appeal. right? if you look at all authoritarian wannabe fascist movement, anti-state violence, anti-police violence is in fact part of the appeal. so hearing this audience for the 20% or 25% of the hard core maga types is going to be a turn on rather than something that's going to turn them off. the question, is can you find 5 % or 10% of people on the margins who are going to look at this and go, this is disgusting.
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this is too much. i don't know the answer yet. what was exciting about the hearings last week. >> then how can can you. michael, how can you be a pundit if you won't blindly predict an answer. >> i'm going blindly predict one thing and change my mind next week. because there's no accountability for us in the pundit class, and that's awesome. but i would say that what i found really powerful about thursday's session was they continue to generate fantastic memable moments. political discourse now is not what's on the op-ed pages, it's the ability to create really powerful parts pa story moments like the josh hawley video, the trump outtakes, the audio from the secret service. and eventually those moments start to crowd the info space. that's the time in which you can change people's opinion. >> i have to tell you, michael, i know what you mean.
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>> yeah, look, i think it's exciting as a progressive to see our side finally fight back with the weaponry that has been used against us now for the past six or seven years. so i think as a kind of guide book for how progressive and democratic politicians should prosecute politics, this is really a fantastic playbook. >> interesting. we wanted to get your view on all of that, including some of your wry sensibility. we appreciate it all. thanks for being here. coming up later tonight we have a navy veteran speaking out about how trump failed that day. but michael mentioned memes and josh hawley. vi a breakdown of josh hawley getting busted. why it matters. and we're visited by a msnbc favorite, cocreator of the daily show. that's next. increase show that's next. that's next. increase
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. the r reckoning continues f senator josh hawley. he was exposed in the primetime hearings for first cheering the trump fans the morning of the insurrection. you see here, before they stormed the capitol. and then running from them as soon as the heat was on. the committee showed him quite specifically sprinting away. hawley also did more than any member of congress to tangibly advance the plot to overthrow the results on the senate floor. he was the first senator to break with mcconnell to join
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that challenge, which did change everything as we have been reporting. then he was scurrying fearing the apparently very scary people he claimed to support and cheer. instead hawley ran over to a conservative conference using -- well, take a listen. >> i just want to say to all of those liberals out there, do not regret it, and i am not backing down. i'm not going to apologize. i'm not going to cower. i'm not going to run from you. >> whether he is just going full trolling or not, he is certainly running, running, running away, as the classic pharcyde song put it. this goes beyond action. what we were talking about earlier in the program -- memes and ridicule. two of the biggest newspapers in missouri are not just criticizing him or calling him out on the rhetoric. they say he should be out.
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kansas city star says he's a fleeing coward and now a laughing stock. the st. louis dispatch writes the sprint shows his core cowardice and he should resign. that is beyond bad press. that is a full blown political scandal. as mentioned, for many, haully fleeing does bring back the classic "runnings issuing where fat lip acknowledges, i must admit on some occasions i went out like a chump, or something to that effect, something i can't regret. and the core rus, account can't keep running away." while everybody can see hawley running he continues to deny running. twist in endless hypocrisy. we turn to comedian and noted
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pharcyde fan. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> your thoughts on something that would be a joke if it weren't so serious? >> well, i do have to say it was hilarious, because no one has said it's hawliarious. >> we take puns around her. >> i have no pun shame. >> i'll say briefly, i didn't know you were going start the interview by joshing around, but that's fine. >> that's me. that's me. you knew. you brought me on. you knew. i look at josh hawley's entire career, and as somebody who's also an abortion rights advocate i followed him for a long time in missouri, right? when he was a.g. in missouri, his staff purged because it was such a disorganized mess. he was -- read a brief in the hobby lobby case against
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employees getting birth control coverage. he's one of the classic people i feel like that is going to be so awful so he can hate you first so that he doesn't have to deal with people not liking him, because he's incapable of being likable. the clip from that turning point conference and he had his anderson cooper shirt on trying to look all hardass, it's like, what's happening? the fact that anybody bought a fist bump from a guy in a red tie, in his suit, it's like, oh, my goodness, you and your dockers and suit and solidarity -- it's sort of like if the insurrectionists were the worst theme park in the world, which i feel like they created, like a racist, white supremacist theme park, josh hawley could be their mascot. you know, just wandering around in that suit and doing that. >> you're mentioning the way that so much of this is
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contrived. it would be understandable for anyone to run from those people. we saw what they demand but the contrivance is he claims to support them, but deep down he knows he probably isn't really for them, which in some ways is even worse or equally bad. and he appears to believe they're really for him. you mentioned theme parks and that prism. i want to show he's still dealing merch here. i mean, this was a criminal attack on the capital and he still has up here this fist pump image, a photo taken by politico that he is with his trolling emoji selling on mugs. quite tasteless. he's also hawking this mis-clintonty leadership. take a listen. >> the left's attack on america
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leads directly to an attack on men. >> men are in crisis, tucker. it's time we say to young men in particular, we need you. we need you to be responsible. i think the liberal attack, the left wing attack on manhood says to men, you're part of the problem. >> they want to define the typical masculine vurjs such as courage, assertiveness and independence as a danger to society. >> i don't know who wants to say courage is dangerous. >> i also don't want to say that courage is necessarily masculine. you know, like, there is toxic masculinity, and there are courageous people of all genders, turns out, but as we know for josh hawley, he doesn't understand the gender spectrum and got schooled on that as well in a hearing about the post-roe america, as far as him not understanding that transmen can get pregnant. he's a messful and i think that
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he is the classic example of just one more flame on the gaslight. right? it's just yale, you know, everything that he purports that he hates, he is, and trying to connect with where he took this wild turn to become the iconic coffee cup fist pumping troll instead of a path he could have gone down. he could have been a ben sasse-er. he could have been any of those people. he's not dumb. he would have been a garden variety republican person who doesn't really enjoy helping poor people. instead, he became -- he threw his hat in with grifting white supremacists, and is it that parent to be liked that it
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doesn't matter how awful the people are? and i guess josh hawley's the poster child for that. you know. the person who's really excited about it is ted cruz, quite frankly. ted cruz is like, finally, someone more hate than me. this is awesome. i can take a breather. let's be honest. >> well, you've broadened our view of a story that has these angles and layers i think it's strike he's really catching so much blowback at home, because again, this is a breakthrough type of story, not just for the image, although it captures a lot, but for the substance. liz, thank you. when we come back, we're going to get into how coups usually operate. they involve the military. so why was it in the peak of january 6th that donald trump was afraid to do anything with military force and it took mcconnell and shumer to call in the help? we have a navy veteran here when we return.
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j. this last insurrection hearing got many americans focused on the role of force in our democracy, or as one guest put it earlier tonight, violence. we looked at how the secret service was tested, how our nonpartisan military stood up on a tough day, and we turn to an expert in this field, retired navy admiral steve abbott. he just wrote about what he calls donald trump's dereliction of duty in "the new york times." and that was, of course, explored in the last hearing. trump awol during a national
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security emergency at the capitol. at one point it was the other blank of government, congressional leader who is held a bipartisan call with military leaders about whether the capitol could be secured and the vote held that night. that was around 4:45 p.m. january 6th. >> we're not going to let these people keep us from finishing our business, so we need you to get the building cleared, give us the okay so we can go back in session and finish up the people's business as soon as possible. >> amen, sir. >> mr. secretary, it's senator schumer. some people here in the capitol police believe it would take several days to secure the building. do you agree with that analysis? >> i'm not on the ground. i do not agree with that analysis. >> what is the earliest that we could safely resume our proceedings in the senate and house chambers? >> best case we're looking at four to five hours. >> admiral, your view of
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then-president trump's conduct that day and why it seemed to take others to fill the vacuum. >> thanks, ari. it was his conduct on that day, but it was also a variety of wh of us who watched the events after the election in november 2020, and we were concerned that they spelled a problem for what we call the civilian military relationship which has been such a wonderful aspect of our democracy over the history of the country. it's worked well, all of us watching it throughout our careers work to protect democracy, and we were concerned after the election that there were things occurring that were going to cause a stress on that relationship, so that led as we
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know to january 6th which was in our view clearly a circumstance in which the president was duty bound by his oath to defend the constitution that he failed to act, and he was witting of what was occurring at the capitol and indeed informed by staff and called by those outside the white house, all of whom who were urging him to take action, and he failed to do so for three hours plus. and we judge that to be a dereliction of duty, but it was not the only thing that had occurred. we were concerned because we understood that there were reports that consideration had been given to using the military
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during the period between the election and january 6th invoking marshall law, deciding that voting machine should be -- >> yeah. let me ask you about that. our viewers are up to date on those plots because they have been well reported. from your military perspective then would an order from the pentagon to go seize voting machines under the lawful control of the states or other entities, would that be an illegal order? >> yes, in my view it would be, and the individuals to whom the order was given would face the decision of rejecting it. they would obviously push back, but ultimately the president has the authority to fire anybody in the chain of command. he could certainly fire the secretary of defense if he didn't accept the order, and there are very few avenues for a
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secretary of defense who doesn't want to comply with an order from the president. >> right. so i think it's powerful. it would tell people something if you had those resignations, and it speaks to your view from being there. while i have you, i did want to show you many so of the secret service reporting. you had congress finding that trump was told his fans were armed. he was watching tv. they breached the capitol around 2:13, but then he went on to hammer pence for refusing to join the coup plot and sending a message 11 minutes after the breach you saw there, and now you have now radio communications exposed about what apparently agents viewed as a likely or inevitable fight with insurrectionists, trump people who outnumbered them and were fearful it would turn
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fateful. >> there's six officers between us and the people that are five to ten feet away from me. >> there is smoke unknown, what kind of smoke it is, copy. >> clear. we're coming out now. >> the members of the vp detail at that time were starting to fear for their own lives. there were calls to say good-bye to family members so on and so forth. for whatever reason on the ground the vp detail tells us that they thought it was about to get very ugly. >> ugly or lethal, they were prepared to die. they put themselves through that risk as you and others have in the military. does trump bear responsibility for that, and have you ever heard of anything like that in your service? >> so the answer is yes. the president bears responsibility for that chaotic situation. i, you know, don't have the details obviously of the individual actions, but i thought that the security
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personnel conducted themselves well. it was uncertain how serious it was going to go, but we all know that there were people who were chanting hang mike pence, so it's understandable that his detail were concerned and concerned if the protesters, the rioters were in fact getting very close to the vice president. >> yeah. really important. i know that you have a lot of expertise on which your views and conclusions are based which is why i wanted to hear from you, admiral be a bomb thank you for taking the time, sir. >> my pleasure. thank you, ari. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back. y pleasure thank you, ari. thank you, ari. >> ♪ here's something, ♪ ♪ here's something you're never gonna fff-forget, baby ♪ get a dozen shrimp for only one dollar with any steak entrée. only at applebee's. your m appreciate it we'll be right back.
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