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is virtually nonexistent. shinzo abe, japan's former and longest serving prime minister was assassinated during a lunchtime campaign rally in the city of nara near osaka. the murder was captured on multiple cameras. a loud bang and abe turns. another loud bang and abe falls to the ground. here you can see him being put into the medivac helicopter. officials say his heart stopped beating on the ride to the hospital. doctors say he had two gunshot wounds and no vital signs when he arrived less than an hour after the attack. cameras captured the suspect and what appeared to be his homemade gun. a 41-year-old man was arrested at the scene. officials say the man confessed and told authorities he had a grudge against a group he
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believed was connected to the former prime minister. later at the man's home, investigators found more weapons, also hand made. among the 125 million people, there are less than 200,000 licensed firearms, mostly hunting rifles and shotguns in japan. the process to get one over there is daunting. you must pass a written test, a psychiatric evaluation, an extensive background check, a drug test and a shooting test to prove you know how to handle the weapon. because of all of that, japan's violent crime rate, especially gun crime, is exceedingly rare. put to it in context, japan experienced just ten shooting incidents in all of 2021 where just one person was killed. just one. abe's assassination has rattled the country and world leaders alike. here was president biden earlier today. >> i tried to put a call in to
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the present prime minister, and he was on the very late night there. i'm going to be stopping to sign the condolence book at the japanese embassy on the way to the cia. >> joining me from japan, our guests. how is the country going to walk up tomorrow? what is going to change? we've seen campaign events here with local leaders, especially national figures with secret service. they're heavily guarded. he was campaigning in the middle of the street, middle of the day. his bodyguards were close by because these sort of things
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don't happen. what will change tomorrow? >> well, it's still early days but i think there are questions already being asked about his security detail and whether there were adequate measures put in place to prevent such a thing. for the moment i think the level of shock of an assassination on a former prime minister is just so large that the public in particular has not really been able to move on beyond that. you pointed out the statistics. anecdotally, if you are a japanese person living in this country, you will spend your life probably without ever having seen a gun being drawn. as you pointed out, it is possible to get a license here by virtually impossible. i think the nation is in shock also because this is an assassination of a prime minister, the longest serving prime minister that japan has ever seen. also, although he resigned as prime minister nearly two years ago, he was a towering figure
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and continued to be very influential and was a power broker within the liberal democratic party. and on top of that, this was a brazen act in the middle of the day, in broad daylight in front of a train station in a very quiet and quaint city in western japan. that something like this could happen on the streets of japan, really shock among the public here this incident happened today. >> give me some insight into what shinzo abe meant to the country. he wasn't currently prime minister but he was still a pretty prominent figure within the party, especially to be campaigning for a local politician. >> absolutely. i mean, the current prime minister, he would call shinzo abe his messenger. he grew up on the knee of his grandfather, who was a prime minister. his father was a foreign
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minister. so he's from a political dynasty. i think his legacy, he would have liked that to have been someone who changed japan's constitution, revised or reinterpreted it because currently it's a pacifist one. he ruffled feathers, especially during his second half term as prime minister. i think beyond that he also did go quite a way to establish partnerships across the region, particularly with countries like india and australia in the face of a rising china. i think although he had mixed results on the economic front, he became quite well known for his economic agenda to try and get the japanese economy out of
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deflation, with mixed results. i think all in all he was a towering figure, an influence figure and i think that is one -- at least one of the rb reasons why this event, this national today will he an indelible mark on the piky of the japanese public. >> kaori, a former cnbc tokyo chief, thank you for joining us. around thele world, shock and horror and disgust. what's it going to mean for international politics? >> thank you for inviting me today. he truly was a transformational leader. his loss is a great loss for japan and a great loss for
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u.s.-japan relations as well. he viewed it as his mission to restore japan as a leader in the world. he was ahead of the curve in perceiving china as a threat to the international order, devised a diplomatic strategy to deal with that. he had an ambitious economic vision, he brought japan into the transpacific partnership and held it together after the united states left, held it together with other countries in asia and he took steps to loosen restrictions on japan's military, to allow japan to cooperate more closely with the united states. all at the same time that he was working earnestly to build ties in the region with countries like india, australia, countries across southeast asia. he did much to restore japan's position in the region. he'll be remembered for that. >> we have live pictures of president biden signing the
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condolence book at the japanese embassy there in d.c. you can see him right there. obviously this is rattling world leaders. if this can happen to somebody like shinzo abe, they are afraid this could happen to them. what's this going to mean for the country? >> we're already a couple of days away from the election. a lot of focus on the security of the country, in the context of the russian invasion of ukraine, a lot of thinking about what japan need to do to protect itself. i think this incident will provide further focus to the sorts of interests that prime minister abe was a leader on. he was an advocate for a stronger defense for more normal power for japan to peeled. hooves an advocate for a
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cloter -- i think all of those will take on momentum and his ruling democratic party will do very well in the elections on sunday with very large turnout and i think this will strengthen his stature in the eyes of the japanese public and by further legitimacy to his views. it see them move squarely behind the public positions he had adopted. >> that's what i was going to ask, changing from a populist stance to a more militaristic stance, does his death give momentum to that or does that stall it even further? >> you're absolutely right. it will give additional focus on this issue. it has been part of the public debate as of late. i expect it will continue to be
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so. the bar for revising the constitution in japan is very high. the procedures involved are difficult. what this know doubt will do is reinforce support for the other policies that he pursued. for example, there is now strong support in japan for increasing the defense budget and for improving various parts of the japanese military. that support has grown significantly over the last couple of years and accelerated after the russian invasion of ukraine. i expect these trends to continue. over time i do think it will but there's much that they can do on the policy realm that is short of that. >> it is a complicated time that we live in made even more complicated today. christopher johnstone, thank you very much for joining us today. and back here at home, after months of resistance, former trump white house counsel pat cipollone is finally testifying
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before the january 6th committee. he arrived for a closed door interview today. he spoke with them informally in april but is taking center stage. he was hit with a subpoena following cassidy hutchinson's bombshell testimony. she put him at the center of january 6th violent activities saying he repeatedly warned the president's attempts to stay in office were unlawful. >> i saw mr. cipollone and he said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. in the days leading up to the 6th, we had conversations about potentially obstructs justice or defaulting the electoral count.
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>> joining me is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc analyst. josh, pat cipollone testifying. what should we anticipate hearing from him? >> well, he's been there for several hours now already. what we expect the committee to want to do is call on a number of these other incidents where witnesses have put him at the center of the action, whether he was trying to stop the former president's ideas of going to the capitol, whether he was trying to dispute the more salacious, unsubstantiated claim to fraud, whether he was trying to play for a role of pushing for transition and pushing for orderly -- you know, for the president to give up all of his claims. we know by the end the former president and mr. cipollone had a very tension relationship. he was quite negative about his
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unwillingness to go along with what he wanted to do. but mr. cipollone so far had not wanted to testify, exerted privilege and didn't want to discuss his conversations with the former president. so we're expecting what the committee is going to do, katy, is to really go through with mr. cipollone in detail those days leading up to january 6th and shortly after and to ask him about the witness testimony from many others for his side of the story, whether it was true or not, what else he remembers about some of those pivotal meetings, those pivotal conversations that led up to the 6th happening. >> what would it mean that he did in fact tell the president that it would be unlawful for him to make moves to try to overturn the election as we saw him do or it would be unlawful to encourage his supporters to storm the capitol, unlaw for for
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him, himself to go to the capitol? >> i don't think it would be useful to demonstrate donald trump's criminal intent. we know about the call to georgia, about his urging the mob to go to the capitol, we know about his failure to stop the mob once they were inside. what we don't have clear evidence of are all of the things that were going on in his mind. it's very important to talk to the people who talked to him. what's really important for prosecutors is to anticipate potential defenses and try to disprove the negative. so is there any good faith defense here? is there anything he heard that could have made donald trump think it was okay, appropriate or lawful or a good idea to do any of these things? >> josh, can we expect to see these things on tuesday, a videotaped version of it? >> it's a good question.
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the committee certainly is videotaping this by all accounts so they will have a lot of him. our thinking is that tuesday is going to be more about extremism and some of the far right that descended on the capitol, the oath keepers and proud boys and militia groups that came and we expect another hearing in the future, whether it be next thursday or could be postponed again about the 187 minutes that former president trump in the capitol while it's under siege and what he did and what he said. you can imagine that pat cipollone would be key to that. he could turn out to be a cassidy hutchinson-like figure where he's so pivotal, they would want to do their own hearing with him. we did know going into this,
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katy, that a lot of the members, particularly liz cheney, he has been number one on their list of folks they wanted to get to come in and they were willing to go to all means to get him because they knew of him as a witness. and you have to imagine if they get any sort of gripping testimony from him, the video footage of the former president's lawyer himself on the record, on camera live, would lead to compelling moments. >> liz cheney in particular was very public about wanting to hear from him directly, sending out a tweet as recently as -- if it wasn't last week but the week before. they were saying he could confirm a lot of what they were hearing and a lot of color on that day. one last question to you, barbara. stewart rhodes, the head of the oath keepers, who is in jail
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awaiting trial on charges of -- >> seditious conspiracy. >> seditious conspiracy. he said he'll do it live with his lawyer present. what would be the benefit of hearing from him. would the committee want to do this? >> absolutely not. the only reason to do this and insist on doing it live is to try to hijack the show and to try to say things damaging to the investigation. they can talk to him on video just as they did before. it's their decision, not his. >> thank you for all the good reporting. still ahead the president signs an executive order aimed at protecting abortion rights. what does it do? we'll explain in a moment.
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and the challenge from the court to the american women and men, this is a nation. the challenge is go out and vote. for god sakes, there's an election in november, vote, vote, vote, vote. consider the challenge accepted, court. president biden signed an executive order today to protect women's reproductive rights in a post-roe america. the order directs hhs to boost access to abortion pills and contraceptions and aims to protect the privacy of those seeking moves on abortion. the move comes as a growing number of states adopt laws or bans in the wake of the supreme court's decision. with me is kelly o'donnell and mary ziegler.
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kelly, i want to get to you on the politics of this in a second. mary, first off i want to talk about what the president signed. what exactly will it do to enshrine protections for abortion for women in the country, especially those who live in states where abortion is being outlawed? >> there's still a lot of question marks, katy. the order charges stakeholders in the federal government with the task of figuring out what to do on specific areas, right, like protecting consumers from fraudulent practices, shoring up coverage for digital privacy but the executive order doesn't detail exactly what the biden administration is going to do to advance that agenda yet and say we're going to figure it out soon. there are several things the biden administration is not going to do. there are not steps to use federal land as a place where
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abortions could be provided. there's not steps to declare a public health emergency vis-a-vis abortion. this is more a signal that the biden administration is going to do more but there's still a lot of gaps in the details about what exactly is going to happen. >> would it be legal to use federal land in states and i've heard this bandied about, in states that have outlawed abortion? would it be legal to use federal law to provide that health care? >> we don't know. the biden administration is essentially saying, one, this may not work and may get invalidated in court. and, two, we would be exposing doctors in those red states to the threat of prosecution or other bad things. in the advocacy community you're essentially hearing people say, well, you haven't even tried, right? at least at the moment it's been pretty clear the biden administration thinks that's a risk not worth taking. the most significant step we think could see come out of this
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order would be on abortion medication, that it preempt -- >> so send the pill over state lines. >> right. we don't know how hard they're going to push it. >> kelly, let's talk about the politics of this. the president felt a lot of pressure to do something on abortion but also was pretty clear his hand are tied here. if you want it enshrined in federal law, you have to vote for more democrats who will make that decision in congress. ultimately this has got to go back to the people if they want to change things. >> reporter: we've got the three branches of government at work here. the court has taken its action, the president is showing the limitations of what he's able to do individually and of course
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he's asking congress to do more. when congress acts, it's the simplest, most direct way to change law or to make it across the country, not in a state-by-state patchwork. you see that at play here. what was striking today watching the president was the tone he took about the court and basically challenging the court's legitimacy on this issue, claiming that the court in its majority that wrote this decision to overturn roe v. wade, the dobbs case, that they have been moved by political actions of the far right. that's a very strong statement for a president who typically has a very institutionalist view of those things to go after the court in this way. that gives you a sense of the political pressure the president is under. he talked about the next most important step and the one that is the straightest, fastest line
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and that's through governors. >> i don't think the courts or for that matter republicans for decades who have pushed the extreme agenda have a clue about the power of american women but they're about to find out in my view. it's my hope and strong belief that women will turn out in record numbers to reclaim the rights that were taken from them by the court. >> reporter: some of what we're seeing here is a heightened anger and focus and fury, if you will, in a presidential speech, in part because the president wants to move this issue and in part you could argue he's feeling the pressure from those in his party who want more. the white house is pretty clear about the fact that while they believe these are constructive steps in the executive order, as the conversation was laying out, these are not direct actions that the president can change things. he's calling on the fda to consider certain moves. they operate independently. same with the federal trade commission, calling on hhs to set some policy. but there are so many details
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that we don't know. the overarching part of what the president is looking to do to protect medication abortion and protect the privacy of those who might do a google search seeking reproductive services and not wanting that information sold and somehow used against them, those kinds of things thematically are important and the president is responding to that. how he can actually do things may be mostly using the bully pulpit. >> we have three branches of government and a system of checks and balances and ultimately the ability to change policy is up to the people and getting the people in positions of power to make the policy changes. that's what republicans did for a long, long time and that is how we are in the situation we are in now with roe v. wade overturned by the supreme court. kelly o'donnell, thank you very much and mary zeigler, thank you very much. it could take weeks for boris johnson to officially exit
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the june jobs report was better than expected. the u.s. added 372,000 jobs last month. 100,000 more than economists predicted. the unemployment rate remains unchanged. it is good news for those worried about a recession, but it's also complicating things for the fed in its plan to raise interest rates again later this month. joining me is stephanie ruhle, host of "the 11th hour" and someone who doesn't ever want to step away from the television. all right, steph. you look tan. >> if you knew what i was wearing from the waist down right now, it would be clear i do like walking away from the television. >> if i worked at 11:00 every
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night, i think i'd be sleeping right now. >> i'm pretty tired. >> this is a confusing report, it's defying expectations. does this mean we're not heading for a recession and everything is all good? >> i love when you get good news and people are like i'm confused. i thought we were only going to get bad news. this is good news, guy. we are prepandemic unemployment levels. we are facing economic strain because of the pandemic. we're not out of it yet, because the pandemic still has issues in asia and no one was expecting the war impacting the price on food and lumber and gas. the idea that oh my gosh, we are crashing into a recession, the sky is falling is simply not true. we have a very good jobs picture. while inflation still is a problem, the fact that you are seeing so many employers out there hiring and wages are going up, that is a very good thing.
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>> so, robin, what does this mean for the fed? are we going to see another interest hike in our future? why would they want to keep slowing things down? >> because ostensibly if we're not in a recession, you can take it and cram in another 75 basis point and talk about another 50 or 75. this is the problem with micromanaging this economy like it's a man-made lake or reservoir that you have to pump in and take out and pump in and take out. the business cycle be damned. the fed pumped so much monetary stimulus kind of in the depths of that pandemic or before that the great recession. there was a lot of fiscal stimulus. we know ppp was a backstop in the absence of business interruption insurance, we saw fiscal stimulus as well and the trickiest act will be mopping it back up without destroying anything so we can come out on
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the other end approximating some sort of post-covid normal. >> inflation still an issue, though gas prices i'm very happy to say are going down again. inflation. how do you deal with inflation, steph? >> listen, inflation is still a problem and the only thing the government can really do is to try to slow the economy a bit and raise rates. remember, we are raising rates because the economy is strong. people get confused by that saying oh my gosh, the fed is raising rates. they're raising rates because they're doing so well and they're hiring. because the picture is so strong, though not easy, we can afford a bit more of a rate hike. the fed likes to keep inflation around 2% and we're above 8 at this point. >> what does it mean for mortgage prices? >> i think rates are going higher. you have seen a cooling in the
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market. you're seeing sellers coming out trying to cut prices 10, 20, 30, 40,000 at a time. if you're looking at a market up 20% year after year, it is too hot. there are many people out there saying i can't afford a starter home. i can't afford to sell my home because i don't know what i'm going to get into. similar arguments with the stock market. it was too hot to stop so, yes, the fed -- you live with the micromanagement and you die with the micromanagement. >> robert, stephanie, thank you for coming in front of a television and helping us understand it. it is confusing when you get good news and you're expecting bad news. steph, it's always good to see you. we appreciate it as always. and 24 hours after british prime minister boris johnson resigned as the head of his party, u.k. lawmakers face a lengthy process to replace him. on thursday johnson said he
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would stay in his office literally at 10 downing until a successor is named. now conservative lawmakers are narrowing down a list of candidates to two choice who is party member will vote on in a mail-in ballot. joining me from london is chief political correspondent with sky news john craig. john, good to see you. i hear boris johnson doesn't want to leave. >> no, he wants to carry on until possibly october. he made a rather graceless statement outside 10 downing street yesterday. no apology, no contrition. seemed to be blaming everybody else for all his woes. and he said he wanted to stay in downing street until perhaps early october. there's been a fierce backlash against that. some mps and former politicians like the former prime minister john major said he should go now. that's not going to happen.
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there isn't really a mechanism in the u.k. for a caretaker prime minister. >> why not the deputy prime minister? >> yeah, we have a deputy prime minister, that is correct. but the british constitution really suggests that the deputy can only really take over if the prime minister is incapacitated or ill. you remember a couple of years ago mr. johnson was quite ill with covid, but we've had a bit of drama in the last hour or so because we've had the first of the big beasts entering the contest to succeed boris johnson. richie sunac, i don't know how well known he is in america, he's what we call the checker, the finance minister. until the last couple of years he's been the finance minister, the chancellor. he quit on tuesday which is really when this whole leadership crisis for the prime minister really blew up. it was the beginning of the end for boris johnson.
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mr. sunak is standing. we are expecting also the british foreign sektory, liz truss, who has been at the g-20 summit in indonesia. she's on her way back. she sees herself as a latter day margaret thatcher. she's been posing with military hardware and even dressing like margaret thatcher. and the third major candidate is ben wallace, the defense secretary, who has played a big role of course in the war in ukraine. >> thank you so much. liz truss, that's a name that's somewhat familiar here in the united states. the others not so much. we will see what happens over there. appreciate it. coming up, the now dominant, more contagious variant of covid. and going one on one with lester holt, who is said to be at least partially responsible for the country's rising crime rates.
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the most contagious mutation of covid yet is the dominant strain and is driving cases up nationwide. i bit you know someone or maybe two people who currently have covid. the subvariant known as ba.5 accounts for 50% of new infections. the health department advises residents to mask up again to slow the spread. joining me now is senior medical correspondent dr. john torres. i do want to caveat this with hospitalization rates are still not high, death rates not high, not at all like what we saw a couple years ago at the
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beginning of this pandemic and there are all sorts of therapeutic out there to help up immediately after you get the virus. still, it is a pain in the butt. dr. torres, tell us what we need to know. >> cases are at the same point they've been in at the last month. and hospitalizations and deaths aren't nearly as high as they were in the other big waves of the coronavirus, we still are having them plateaued at a rate that's been like this in the last four weeks or so. the concern is the more numbers stay high, the more hospitalizations and deaths. this ba.4 and ba.5, ba.5 has become the dominant one in the u.s. if you add ba.4 on that, i'm calling it the trifecta.
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you're more contagious with ba.5. it can evade the immune systems and make you ill and people have been telling me they've been very sick and in bed for a couple of days with this. at the same time we know the vaccine and natural immunity can protect you from serious illness, hospitalization and death. this is giving the virus an opportunity to get in and get a good foothold and start increasing more, katy. >> when we're talking about vaccines and boosters, everyone is curious when they're going to need to get another one if they weren't in the group that has already had a third or even a fourth. if you are looking to get a booster, is there one coming down the pike that will be more targeted towards these more
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contagious variants? >> the fda just advised manufacturers to go ahead and make what we call a bi-valent booster, the original part from the pandemic and they want to put in the ba.4-5 variant. experts are saying it's an educated guess that will hold because omicron variants are perpetuated. in the fall you'll notice these bi-valiant strains that will protect us. >> from one super fun virus -- i'm being sarcastic -- to another super fun virus, the
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>> reporter: in new york, the perceptions that continues to lay out there this is a dangerous city. is it? >> no, is not. it's not. >> reporter: mayor eric adams was elected to cleanup new york city's soaring crime. six months later, overall crime is up nearly 40%. >> reporter: you came in saying you would fight crime and bring crime down. have you been successful? >> no, we are in complete. we have not been successful until every new yorker feels safe. >> reporter: a couple dozen shootings over the holiday weekend. it does not feel safe. >> we also did something else over the holiday weekend. we moved a substantial number of guns off our streets. >> reporter: he notes homicides and shootings here are down 9%. >> what we call predatory crimes, rape , robberies, burglaries, grand larceny, but here is the real problem. we arrest john on monday for a green lost city. he is out on
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tuesday. he does it again on wednesday. >> reporter: whose fault is that? >> it is a combination, the criminal justice system, the laws we have passed and the failure to prosecute those who are committing crimes and judges who are not utilizing the problem they have. >> reporter: a lot of people say criminal justice reform had to happen because it was disproportionately affecting people that look like us. how do you strike that balance? >> here you have a unique moment. here you have a mayor that was the leading voice of criminal justice reform . we led the fight against the abusive stop, question and frisk. we led the fight against prison reform. we led the fight against judicial misconduct. this is what we fought for. i am saying, we are going too far. >> reporter: we walked through a neighborhood in the bronx and talked about how the city has changed since adams was the new york city transit cop in 1984.
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>> reporter: i was a young reporter here in new york. i remember that year we had close to 1800 murders in the city. we are down to fewer than 500 a year. >> yes. >> reporter: some people say it feels like we are slipping backwards. what do you say? >> we are dealing with different challenges. prosecutors were on our side. >> reporter: you don't feel like you have allies? >> hell, no. we don't have the allies we had back then. >> reporter: mayor adams, a democrat with some sharp criticism of progressive prosecutors -- >> reporter: there is a narrative from the right that liberal, that progressive prosecutors are allowing crime to flourish. do you agree? >> yes. there are two battles happening in our country and city right now. you have the far right that says give everyone a gun, no matter what. you have the far left to say everyone who uses a gun should
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be held accountable. these two groups are not the majority of americans. they have actually held our country and city hostage. these two groups don't realize they are co-conspirators to the public safety crisis we are facing in are city and country. >> mayor eric adams with the 101 exclusive with lester holt. that will do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up coverage on this friday. don't go anywhere. verage on th. verage on th. don't go only tylenol rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast for fast pain relief. and now get relief without a pill with tylenol dissolve packs. relief without the water.
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