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good evening everyone, and welcome to ayman. coming up, the bombshell testimony that changed the course of the general six investigation. plus, the fight for access. minnesota attorney general keith ellison, who is vowed to protect abortion access in a state, will join us live. then, the supreme court conservative justices are changing lost to reflect the right wing media view of america. we'll explain that and more. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started.
in a surprise hearing this week, cassidy hutchinson, the former trump aide to chief of staff mark meadows, delivered to our stunning testimony to the january six committee. hutchinson took us inside the white house in the days leading up to and on january the six. as trump and his inner circle carried out their campaign to overturn our election. hutchison testified that repeated warnings of violence on that day were simply ignored by trump and other white house officials, including her boss. >> was it your understanding that mr. ornado told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january the six? >> that is what mr. are not related to me. >> here is how you characterized mr. meadows general response when people raised general concerns about what could happen on january six. >> so at the time and the days leading up to the six, there
were lots of reports about how things might go bad on the six, even potential for violence. if i am hearing correctly, it seems to you and mr. meadows did not share those concerns, at least did not have those concerns? >> they did not act on those concerns would be accurate. >> according to her and atkinson, trump demanded that security checkpoints at his rally be removed, fearing it would take away from his crowd size. we know how important crowd size is to donald trump. here is what she heard back states at that rally on the ellipse. >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, i don't effing care that they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me, take the effing mags away. let my people in, they can watch the capital from here, let the people in, take the bags away. >> president trump was aware that a number of individuals in the crowd had weapons and were
wearing body armor. here is what president trump extracted the crowd to do. >> we will walk down, and i will be there with you. [applause] we are going to walk down. anyone you want, but right here. we will walk down to the capitol. >> let me stop on that for a moment. according to hutchinson, the president of the united states knowingly directed a group of armed supporters to march onto the capitol. when those supporters did exactly as trump instructed, they did so while chanting threats against his own vice president mike pence. as all of that unfolded, here is what was going on inside the white house. >> i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more, they are literally calling for the vice president to be effing hong. mark had responded something to
the effect of, you heard it path, he thinks mike deserves it, he does not think they are doing anything wrong. >> doesn't think they are doing anything wrong. one person had some idea of how wrong everything was. mark meadows. hutchinson revealed that her boss asked for a pardon following the events of january six. meadows has since denied asking for the pardon, but we should make this important note, cassidy hutchinson testified to that under oath. mark meadows has not. let's discuss this with cynthia alksne, a former federal prosecutor in the civil rights division of the justice department and glenn kirschner, also a former prosecutor. luckily for us, they are both msnbc legal analysts. it's good to have both of you with us. you have been helping us near the ship through all the hearings. cynthia, i'd like to start with you. your top line reaction to cassidy hutchinson's testimony and what it means for the committee as it goes forward.
>> let me say this about her testimony, besides being a bombshell for all the reasons that we will disc length, it also highlighted why the department of justice needs to get involved. there is all this evidence about conspiracy, and i know we will talk about that. let me highlight one point for you. evidence can be developed, and the attorney general can pontificate and ponder about what the eastman memo means according to doj policy and how that interacts with the constitution, blah blah. that could take time. witness tampering cannot take time. witness tampering is a yesterday crime. witness tampering, we have heard this from cassidy hutchinson, this happened to her a while ago, the fbi agents should be knock, knock, knock on all the doors that she said talk to. what concerns me is the attorney general reticence to get involved in that is allowing the witness tampering
to occur. in addition to all the important things that she told us about the conspiracy to obstruct the counting the votes, and i think it's very important, i don't want to minimize it -- also for your viewers, recognize that she highlighted how important it is for the department of justice to not always take the backseat to this congressional investigation, even though they are doing a supportive job. i couldn't be prouder of them. they are saving our democracy, but the department of justice needs to stop taking a backseat and take the wheel. >> to make sure i understand it correctly. what you're saying is basically that the crime of witness tampering that is alleged of happening against people like cassidy hutchison is the low hanging fruit at the department of justice could quickly go after while they are still investigating these other crimes? >> it's more than that. it is not just low hanging fruit. i am all for being involved in conspiracy, it is altering the case. it is making witnesses not tell us what is happening. it is more important than just
an indictment. and has to do with whether we will be able to gather the evidence. will the evidence be altered. are people going to be come forward. are they gonna be pressured? what other witnesses have received similar calls to come forward. it is very fundamental to our ability to investigate the case. it is a acidic or i'm, not a i think i was on the mountain top and pump locate my naval crime, which some of these others might be. >> it seems a little bit like what the department of justice is doing right now. glenn, how could the department's testimony helped the department's ongoing probe? what did she reveal that you think could amp up the former presidents criminal culpability for what took place at the capitol that day? >> amen, she revealed a smoking gun evidence. of course, the guns have been smoking around donald trump four years. the department of justice, for whatever reason, have that been moved to charge him. i want to follow up on what
cynthia was saying. she provides smoking gun evidence, that is, there was a breach with assault rifles and pistols on the crowd. he said take down the metal detectors, and then the armed crowd will head up to the capitol and fight like hell to stop the steal, stop the certification of joe biden. that's smoking gun evidence. we also have loaded gun evidence. this is where i want to echo with cynthia said. witnesses tampering is loaded gun evidence. the way you investigate smoking gun evidence, like what we just learned, is that you presented to the grand jury and use it as the basis to build an indictment. the way you go out a loaded gun evidence, that people are tampering with witnesses, team trump tampering with cassidy hutchison and potentially others, is that you go after it right now. the fbi interviews cassidy hawkinson. they investigate to arbery everything she says. you put all of that information in an affidavit in support of
an arrest warrant. you present it to a federal judge, and you look up the person or people who are tampering with witnesses because that is interfering with the integrity of this investigation. that is what the fbi should be doing right now. >> cynthia, what about mark meadows and all this, what is his possible legal exposure post hutchinson testimony. mark meadows at this point should just be taking the fifth amendment. mark meadows has a huge problem. because the committee knows who is supposedly this intermediary, who mark meadows had called her and witness tempered. there's any way that they can prove through the intermediary, or if he made any of the other calls that were tempering, and he has a huge problem, witnessed tempering is a 20-year phony. as well, it should be, because
it is so fundamental to our justice. i would say, for me, i would have 1 million questions, but one of my million questions is who is this intermediary there called for mark meadows? who is that person, let's get that person before a grand jury, let's get moving. but i would say mark meadows has a host of problems, the least of which is us finding us -- that he asked for a pardon. it is more likely that he may be looking at a witness tampering grand jury. he may be looking at that through 71 conspiracy to obstruct the election and counting on the votes. >> glenn, to cynthia's point, what do you make that the former chief of staff allegedly requesting a pardon? >> that's an admission of guilt. the supreme court had said that a parting carries with it and amputation of guilt. accepting a pardon is some admission of guilt. when donald trump said, and this is what the testimony from richard donahue said, i don't
care if the election was not fraudulent, just say it was and lead the rest to me and my republican allies and congress. they have helpfully sub identified those republican allies by requesting pardons. they are members of congress. we know rudy giuliani requested a pardon. we know mark meadows requested a pardon as a prosecutor. boy, i was sure tried to introduce the evidence of consciousness of guilt. mark meadows knew that he committed crimes, and the only way he was going to get away with them, assuming the department of justice charges him, is to get a presidential pardon from somebody that sure looks a lot like the coconspirator. >> as i try to do with all these general six committee hearings segments, i do want to close out by saying, where is merrick island any department justice, let's hope they accident rather than later? cynthia, glenn kershner, thank you both to use for starting out the our. stunning testimony continues at the break. don't go anywhere.
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coverage of the latest january six hearing, let's make a couple of important points here clear. cassidy hutchinson testified under oath this week she submitted to numerous depositions and raised her hand in front of the american public this week, swore an oath to tell the truth, and then told her truth for more than two hours to the committee and to the public. some unnamed sources have come back to dispute parts of cassidy hutchinson's testimony. and while we can and should acknowledge that cassidy hutchison may has missed remembered some details are done other details wrong, there is nothing to indicate that she was a lying during the hearing. in fact, very few aspects of her testimony are being questioned at all. almost everything that she said over these two hours hasn't been chnged and the few
things that have, again, were challenged either by unnamed sources or by serial liars who have refused to take a similar oath to tell the truth. mark meadows denied he asked for a pardon. but why won't mark meadows testify under oath and tell the committee that he did not ask for that pardon? the same with details that tony ornato, the secret service agent turned trump aide, is disputing. why won't he testify under oath? the -- if you are not willing to go as far as testifying as hutchison went, then why should we be taking your denials at face value? that said, here is some more highlights from the january six committee surprise hearing this week with cassidy hutchinson. >> messages and, do you remember mr. giuliani meeting with mr. meadows on january 2nd 2021? >> i do. he met with mr. meadows and the
evening of january 2nd, 2021. >> and we understand that you walked to mr. giuliani out of the white house that night and he talks to you about january 6th. would you remember him saying? >> i a recall mr. giuliani and i walking towards the vehicles that evening. he looked at me and he said something so the effect of, cassidy, are you excited for the sixth? it's going to be a great day. i remember looking at him and saying, rudy, can you explain what's happening on the sixth? and he responded something to the effect of, we are going to the capitol. it's going to be great. the president is going to be there, he is going to look powerful. >> miss hutchinson, did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested or receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> he did. >> miss hutchinson, did white house chief of staff, mark meadows, ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> mr. meadows did seek that
part of, yes ma'am. >> is it your understanding that mr. ornado told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6th? >> that is what mr. ornado related to me. >> do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with? >> in the days leading after the six, we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral count. tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the big east, he had the impression from mr. meadows that the of record movement to the capital was still possible and likely to happen, but he need more information. so -- bobby, he thought that they were going up to the capitol and when bobby had relayed to him, we are not, you don't have the assets to do it, it's not secure, we are going back to the west wing, the president had very strong, a very angry response to that.
tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of, i am the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you have to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing. we are not going to the capital. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle, and mr. ornato had recounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicle. >> there are several lens that did make it in there about prosecuting the rioters are calling them [inaudible] you don't want them in there, he wanted to put them [inaudible] potentially pardon them.
and it's just with the increased emphasis of his at the time, he didn't think they did anything wrong. the people who did something wrong that day, or the person who did something wrong that day, was mike pence not staying with him. >> so if republicans wanted to dispute cassidy hutchinson's accounts, there is one simple thing for them to do, they should do so under oath. but they can expect their denials to be dismissed. coming up, minnesota attorney general, keith ellison, is on the front line in the fight to protect abortion rights. he will join me next. t line in the fight to protect abortion rights.
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regulating abortion access. noticing some can herons here? the annex two alum sawyer is not surprised. in his new piece entitled, the constitution is whatever the right-wing says it is. adam sawyer writes the current majorities approaches itself a kind of undead constitutionalism -- one in which the dictates of the constitution retrospectively shift with whatever fox news happens to be furious about. legal outcomes preferred by today's american right conveniently turned out to be with the founding fathers wanted all along. joining me now is adam sawyer, it's good to have you here with us. it's a piece that i read this week and i felt like i was totally in agreement with what you are saying. so i wanted to talk to you about this. you know, let's talk about the courts undead constitutionalism a little bit and what it means through the lens of some of the more high-profile cases we saw this term. walk us through for example the school prayer case that was just decided, the conservatives ruled 6 to 3 to reduce the separation between church and state.
>> i think, when we talk about undetected constitutionalism, it's playing on a lawn standing critic of the supreme court from the right which is that liberal justices are engaging in in so-called living constitutionalism, imputing to constitute constitution whatever they wanted to say in order to get the outcome they wanted. but the right is also doing this as well. and the way they're doing it is selectively using history to justify what they say is the original meaning of the constitution, one it just happens to be whatever is convenient for them ideologically as conservatives. and i think, you, know you can see this, not just with this whole prayer case, or with the recent firearms case, or maybe roe v. wade -- the case overturning roe v. wade, which is a little different because it's more long-standing, conservative target, although the justices who --
there are many republican justices among those who upheld the constitutional right to get an abortion. what we are talking about is a misuse of history in order to say the constitution says whatever i wanted to say at a particular moment, while really saying they are doing the opposite. >> what i thought was interesting in this debate over the last week or so was this idea that we should rely on the interpretation of the constitution that was written by middle aged white man in 18th century and somehow that was supposed to be applicable to the way our complex societies are governed now. >> those men said, you know, at the time, they said, american society is going to have to interpret the constitution in a way that makes sense for what it is at the time that they are dealing with these problems. it wasn't as though they assume that america was going to stay the same in perpetuity and those dictates -- the way they thought of it applying then would always
apply forever. the truth is that the concern -- they are in fact doing it, you can see this i think -- the case that is most glaring to me is the legal challenges over vaccines. because until a few years ago, vaccine resistance was quoted as a sort of liberal crunchy thing, and conservatives made fun of it all the time. but during the pandemic and became sort of a conservative thing to resist any kind of pandemic -- any effort to deal with the pandemic, as a result, it became anti vaccine. and you can see how the conservatives on the court who, many of whom -- conservative media and think of themselves as conservatives, and by those anti-vaccine messages that are really a very recent vintage as part of a conservative reality. >> according, adam, according to the new york times, by one standard measurement used by a
political scientist, the supreme court, this supreme court term, was the most conservative since 1931. i'm curious if you had any thoughts on that. do you also assess it to be the most conservative since 1931? >> i am not even sure necessarily what metric they are using for that, but it is an extraordinarily conservative court. it's an extraordinarily conservative court because the conservative legal movement has spent many years trying to put judges on the court who are going to rule the way the republican party wants them to rule, at least 99% of the time. i'm not -- they won't do it every single time, because sometimes it would leave them in a divergent direction as we can see this happening sometimes, with brett kavanaugh, with john roberts. but the fact of the matter is, this is a 63 conservative court and that means that republicans are going to win almost every single time because these justices are going to be ruling
and with the sort of legal complex reasoning in order to reach a result the party but them on the bench to reach. >> one thing i found fascinating was this relationship between the conservative justices and right-wing news media. elaborate on that. in your case, you cite how fox messaging has influenced their decision-making processes. >> you can see this actually all over the federal courts for things that surge of -- talking points that you see on fox news, somehow, they make it into justices or federal justice judges rulings. they are consuming the stuff all the time. i said the vaccine thing again, because it's the most stark, it's such a shift from the way things where ten, 15 years ago. but this idea that it's sort of, vaccine mandates are the new invasive thing rather than something that we used to eradicate some of the deadliest diseases known to man. something -- things that have been -- vaccine mandates have been
present and conservative liberal states for decades, no reason for it to have become controversial. it became controversial in part because a fox news campaign against them. and when you saw the vexing cases go to the court, you saw that conservative justices echoed those same arguments that you would see on fox news about them being in violation of liberty. >> i was going to say, i believe this with clarence thomas made a reference to a widely debunked report that somehow the religious liberty of health care workers in new york that wanted to reject the vaccine mandate was because it was coming from aborted fetuses. the cell line was coming from a aborted fetuses, and that was debunked, and somehow it made its way to clarence thomas's -- i suppose how he consumed his news. but somehow made its way to him. so adam serwer -- now go ahead. >> i don't to litigate that -- i want to --
except to say, if you are a health care worker, your job is to prevent your patients from getting and faith infections, that means, if you are not willing to get vaccinated for a deadly and contagious disease, so that you can treat patients without infecting them, then you should really find another job. it's not an infringement on your liberty. find another job that won't force you to violate your job. >> that's a very valid point, very fair one is. well adam serwer, so good to talk to, you thank you so. much >> thanks for having me. >> we will be right back with minnesota attorney general, keith ellison. don't go anywhere. minnesota attorney general [whistling] keith ellison.
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message to nine democratic democrats on abortion rights. but the reality is -- regulate abortion access, which is why the president met with the governors and that's where the power currently lies. it's also why the white house met with the attorneys general of minnesota and michigan this week, it's all part of the biden administration's efforts to coordinate their actions with states on abortion. last week, minnesota's attorney general, keith ellison, announced that he will not be prosecuting anyone who seeks help, someone who provides, or to anyone who provide, it's illegal portion in the state of minnesota. keith ellison joins me now, it's good to see you, thanks so much for joining. as a tell us a little bit about your meeting with the white house and wet you walked away there with. >> well we shared information. the point was to talk about how the minnesota and michigan attorney general there -- we talked about what we were
facing in minnesota, ran a very different situation in michigan. in minnesota, we have a case called no versus go megs 1995 case which says that women have the right to a safe legal abortion and they have the right to get public support for it. michigan is in a very different situation. even though they also support the right for women to make that choice, there is a 1931 law i believe in michigan which snaps back when roe fell. so they're in a situation where they have a very restrictive rules regarding state laws and abortion. but we just shared with the vice president whether the challenges were, vice president harris was very attentive, listen carefully to us. and the real truth is, you know, nobody knows exactly how this
is going to play out yet. we are strategizing, we are trying to figure it out. even though this was coming down the lane for a while, now that it's here, we still have to figure out how to make sure that women can get the care that they need. in minnesota, they are going to get that care. and if women come from another state to minnesota, they will get that care. we've already learned that in north dakota, the fargo a woman's health clinic is going to be moving to mow head, minnesota, which is just across the river because campbell not be available in that state. in minnesota, we will be a beacon for human rights, civil rights, and the race for people that make choices about their own personal body. >> have you given some thought as to how you can ensure minnesotans have continued access to abortion care? >> yeah, even though the 1995 case, roe versus gomez, is solid, i think you should --
put on the ballot an amendment that codifies gold versus gomez which says that women have the right to receive legal abortion. i think we should neil nail that down and let the votes decide. i'm pretty confident that minnesotans will vote in favor if they have the chance to. a lot of states would vote in favor if they had the chance to. what we are looking at right now, the striking down of roe versus wade and the behavior of the supreme court, is a minority court, and i know this is extreme, but they have been -- they represent a minority of public opinion, most of them appointed by a president that did not receive most of the popular vote, so i call them a minority court. and this court imposing its -- on a majority of americans. it's a tragedy. but in minnesota, we are ruled by democracy and we will make
sure that people have that right. so state legislative laws, all of these things make an important difference. >> how important is it's elect democrats at the state level like yourself in protecting abortion access, do you think it's now going to be front and center as well amid -- voters consider a whole list of issues when elected candidates? >> i certainly hope so, we have been knocking on doors, talking to voters and people are very concerned about this -- they understand that their civil rights are on the ballot in november. they get that. and i think people are responding. as a matter of fact, we're trying to engage young people to make sure we have young people participating in a democracy and a lot of them are concerned about whether or not their rights are going to be available to them. and i know that as we do it up
here in minnesota, people don't always know with the law is, and we have run into a lot of people who said, i heard that we did have the right and more. and we are glad to tell them, no, minnesota, you do. but people need information and when they find out that their rights are threatened, they want to do something about it. that includes voting, but not only voting. we have people who start writing letters to the editor, calling community forms. and we've also been talking about things like the other rights that clarence thomas signaled he wants to destroy. like the right to marry who you choose, thea whole new set of conversations that we've had. >> let me ask you, finally, just as the fighter -- as the battle shifts in the states, and you just met the white house, is there any thing that you can get from the government in terms of information, resources, that can help your state carry on
with this fight? >> there's a whole range of supports that the federal government can still -- continue to provide to the states and those kinds of things are the things we talked about in the meeting. i think we will have an ongoing dialogue about what the federal government can do to support states, to support the right to a safe, legal abortion. and i can tell you that vice president harris was very interested in that, gave us a lot of important advice, gave us a lot of moral support, which is also important. and showed us that she was concerned. the president was very concerned. and the states [inaudible] >> minnesota attorney general, keith ellison, thank you for making time for us this evening. >> have a good day. >> you too sir. still, had the told conservative attacks are having on the lgbtq community. don't go away. are havin are havin on the
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say gay law has gone into effect. teachers in the state are now restricted from having most conversations about gender and sexual orientation in the classroom. in neighboring alabama, the state asked the federal appeals court to allow a law go to effect that would make it a felony to give a gender affirming care to trans youth. last week in texas, we saw the state gop announced that its official platform defines get people as abnormal and rejects transgender identities. tonight, we want to know, what is this endless barrage of conservative attacks, verbal and legislative, doing to the psyche of the lgbtq community in america? joining me is -- a psychologist for the gender
clinic. we would not want you to divulge any personal information but talked us about what you are seeing in terms of patients psychological health and well-being, as a result of these anti-lgbtq actions? >> thank you for having me. one thing we are seeing is migration towards more progressive states and lgbtq families for those that cannot afford it. the gender clinic has gotten increasing calls not just locally but nationally for seeking better care. >> we are seeing an uptick in language like in texas, which describes the community as abnormal. what does that do to distill developing minds of teens and young adults who have a different gender and sexual identity, and is trying to figure everything else out? >> it has already been well documented that lgbtq youth i
have a higher risk of suicide, homelessness, family rejection, drug abuse and other health epidemics. we'd like to also focus that and attire publish and people are called abnormal and disavowed of civil rights, it also changes the mindset of potential allies and peers around them. for instance, my concern is how much more hatred and vindictive behavior will be pointed towards lgbtq people, a states allow for bully. >> you probably saw alabama is not seizing on the courts roe v. wade decision, arguing that the state should be able to ban gender affirming medical care for trans youth. let's say somehow that care was banned, how could that affect trans youth, especially trans youth who would be forced to potentially d transition? >> even effect in many ways.
one way is that it would make it difficult for you to continue to live in the states, which is why we are seeing some of the migration. it also means that youth will not feel that they would be safe and have safe health care to go to college there or potentially think about issues in the local economies. secondly, reproductive care affects all bodies. so, we have youth who are who have a uterusght beble to get pregnant and are now trying to get to keep themselves safe from both having gender for her and making sure they can still get safe reproductive care. we have people who are affected and always. >> i am curious doctor, have you faced harassment or threats for the work that you do? >> yes, i have. both online as well as offline. >> what is your message to the lgbtq community uterine now who may be watching this and trying
to figure everything out? >> we want our youth to know at the gender clinic that they will get human centered care. we are working on educating as many providers as possible so that they can also do high quality gender affirming care. we also think that it is important that this is a particular moment. it is not unlike other moments of the lgbtq community, we are a community of resilient and white people. we will continue to forge ahead and seek equality in our communities. >> doctor matt goldenberg, thank you for sharing your time and insights with us tonight, greatly appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> coming up, russia has renewed attacks on a strategically important island off of ukraine southern coast. lly important island
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administration announced additional military aid for ukraine, about 120 million dollar package will go towards bolstering ukraine's anti aircraft missile systems against russian rockets. the eighth announcement comes as moscow issues another round of deadly missile attacks on ukraine's southern region. nbc's matt riley has more. >> today, fresh evidence that russia is not finished with strategically important --
ukraine southern coast. this video shows a new russian attacks on snake island, as recently as last night. days after, must go said they take it -- it comes as russia steps up its aerial assault on the rest of ukraine, including civilian targets. only a few miles away on ukraine's southern coast, rescue workers combed through the wreckage of a 12 story residential building and nearby recreation center. >> we heard strikes, we live close by, says this local resident, we help those who survived. those who unfortunately died, we have to carry them away. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy condemned the attack on ukrainian civilians, the deadly since the war began. >> this is conscious, deliberately target russian terror and not some sort of error coincidental missile strike. >> the missile strikes near odessa killed at least 21 civilians, including one child, according to ukraine's emergency services. once again, kremlin
spokesperson dimitri peskov denied that russian military had denied -- he said strikes were against military facilities. but it was just the latest in a string of airstrikes on civilian areas far from the front lines. a monday, 19 people were killed when a russian air strike destroyed a busy shopping mall filled with people in the central city of kramatorsk. and eastern new korean, bruising battles have left civilians frightened and confused. >> this war, what is it about? why is their war, this woman asked. i don't understand anything. >> a question that many hear struggle to answer. >> our thanks to nbc's matt bradley for that report. all right, we have a lot more to cover on the second hour of ayman. abortion is on the ballot in swing states, held 2022 will decide the future of women's health care for millions of americans, plus, the radical supreme court next term. it could actually be even worse than this one, believe it or
not. we will dive into the case that is threatening the foundation of our democracy. and are trump cronies tampering with witnesses interviewed by the generals committee? i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. the generals committee >> abortion rights are on the ballot come this november. impose rule america, as abortion access shifts from the federal government to the states, it cannot be understated, americans arrived to an abortion in these places like michigan, wisconsin, and arizona, could soon be in the hands of republican candidates, running on platforms to ban or severely limit abortion. pennsylvania's currently run by a democrat, democrat governor tumble, he's pledged to protect women's rights to abortion. but his --
won't come -- if he is replaced by doug mastriano as governor, mastriano will push the state legislature to ban abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. in arizona, republican front runner, carry, lake has called for the carbon coffee for the texas stela abortion ban which doesn't include exceptions for rape or incest. in michigan, republicans have called it for all out republican abortion bans, and one of them has even said that we must inspire women who get raped to give birth because, quote, god put them in this moment. that is as disgusting as it is wrong. and these are just a few examples of horrifying stances that republican candidates have taken in swing state races. and let's be clear, if you don't think that all of this could end and a gop out for to ban abortion nationwide, you haven't been paying any attention. this is the state of america,