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and you can also stream it on peacock. well guess what folks, that does it for me this morning. thanks for watching, now don't go anywhere just yet because the cross connection with tiffany cross begins right now. begins right now and warnings ready. one of the cross connection. i'm tiffany cross. today we start with the coup that wasn't the. january six committee held their third public hearing, hammering home that the former guy knew his band to steal the election was unconstitutional. yet, the former reality flop continue to pressure vice president pence to do it anyway. like the overgrown toddler he is, he turned violent mega mob against his boy, against his own number two when he refused. the failed a blogger denies this but the video shows the
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right wing reacting to his tweets before they converged on the capitol. >> reports that pence caved. if pence caved, we are going to trial drag this guy through the streets. you politicians are going to get a drug through the streets >> we deserve to be with the rest of them. vice president is not going to interject anything. [noise]. >> you heard it here first. mike pence has betrayed the united states of america! >> okay, that is horrifying. unfortunately, it is the tip of the iceberg. turns out, a trump's lawyer and insurrection mastermind, johnny, did not think that the supreme court would overweight overturning the election. a swing claimed to have insight on fighting among the justices.
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i wonder how he got that? that is strange. maybe it is not so strange. he did clerk for justice aaron thomas. the washington report shows that he has been exchanging corresponds with jesse thomas. he denied that any of this can come before the court. now the january six committee has some questions for mrs. thomas. according to the daily dollar, she cannot wait to clear up misconceptions. yeah, neither can we, our girlfriend. we have collins jr. and former prosecutor and our power of the show the sikh of. she's a political strategist and campaign manager for joe walsh 2020 presidential campaign. charles, you are onset with me. i'm happy to have you here with me this morning. what was from your legal perspective of the most striking revelation from the hearing this week? >> we were literally on the
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brink of a constitutional crisis. we have to understand how significant that is when you consider the history of america at how long the constitution has stood without this problem. it was significant that we were a keystone take away from democracy of this crumbling. it shows how fragile our democracy is. noting that we have might have missed is that looking at it from a former prosecutor, when we learn from the big grift coming from the big lie, there was a lot of mey made by trump and people associated with trump, regarding the big lie in terms of fundraising around election protection campaigns and issues that did not exist and money that did not go to them. the result is significant is oftentimes, it is not necessarily the headlines that and of getting people convicted and leading them to go to jail. it is not necessarily going to be the insurrection or the
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violence. it could very well be this notion of fraud, deceit, and any of those things are potential avenues for the doj to go after trump. we know that they are watching. we know that this is going to be a package and laid out for the doj. now we have some low hanging fruit that might see trump charged and convicted on. >> that is the thing. that is the grift. lucy, i want to ask you, you think about all of these people with donald trump raising money on a lie. you think about these republican voters who poured money into this. shame on them. i'm not play if i would for those who contributed to similar kim, but it does seem like it would be robbed in the wrong way. do you think this will penetrate a layer of wool fertile ignorance among a mega crowd? this is pretty much the tingle are swindler here. this is a matter in the republican base? >> well, i do not think that it
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matters with the people who were giving money to trump, all they're fortunate to choose between the election of 2020 and january 6th. for those people, they have consumed the kool-aid. they are in the called. i do not think that any of this makes a look of difference to them. i think lawrence we should be thinking about, and i think about this in terms of election, are the primary voters or the swing voters who cannot stomach trump in 2020, or cannot stomach him in the future, or looking at this and saying what does this mean for the republican party with written law. >> one effective thing that the committee has done is that they really showed that everyone knew that this is a lie. everyone around trump was saying this is wrong and you cannot do this. eastman, even asked to be on the pardon list because he knew what he was doing was wrong. he knew it was illegal. he knew that it was completely out of bounds of our democratic nor norms.
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there's been so much emphasis on this and on john easement that i will not worry about mission structure that it is creating for voters and people on a whole to say this was an isolated incident we are going to move on to father's day with a terry cruz on 2028. there is an emphasis on josh hawley. where is the emphasis on the members of congress who were actively participating in this campaign? whether or not that turns out to be a thing that is surfaced, i do not know. i hope it is. i think this is the case that needs to be made here. >> he made a good point. -- trove, take a listen to john eastman discussing a pardon. i will ask about it on the other side. >> they requested that he be included on a list of potential recipients of a presidential pardon.
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>> doctor eastman's emails stated, quote, i'm deciding that i should be on a partisan list if that still works. doctor eastman did not receive his presidential pardon. >> that is congressman pete aguilar reading an email or statement. . what law is concerning to, me because i think lucy makes a good point about the live dark shadow that passes over everyone. what concerns me is that what we are seeing right now is people broke the law. if they get off scot-free, if the josh hollins of the world get off scot-free, it does say to the rest of america, particularly those who look like us, that there are two just a systems in this country. one group can get away with breaking a law on the other group cannot. this disenfranchises a lot of group and discourage them from
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participating in a democracy. >> i agree. we know this is true. we do not need this to verify what we already know in terms of the difference in a two tiered justice system in america. as it relates to what we did zero not see in relations to congress people, it is of concern to see if they look to pursue charges. number two is whether they will be able to use information gathered from hearings to prosecute any of these fringe or out that individuals. the focus on the committee, so far, has been about committing connecting to trump. by handing it over to the doj and looking for additional prosecutions, there we would need to see more in terms of evidence that have been exposed. we have not seen all the facts have been covered throughout the investigation. we do not know what else they have. we have been focusing on drawing facts to trump. we've not been able to go so far. this is good in terms of getting the truth out. among the conspiracy and other
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conspirators, who threw the live from a distance and benefited from it? that is something that we are going to the sea and find out more facts about before we can hope for and go after them in the prosecution. it is important, for the races you mentioned, that you cannot maintain is comfortable distance in terms of hijacking and immigrants first to go unpunished. >> i want to ask you, lucy, because the courts are big to republican voters. a lot of republican voters are basing who they will vote for based on the court. this role by johnny thomas is he claiming to play an insurrection. listen to her talk about her new role. >> part of the belief is that virginia thomas and mike have known what was the basis of the belief that the supreme court would not take the case related to the attempt to steal the election. >> or is the idea to try to
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find out whether or not his her husband is in the know about his wife's decision to attend to overturn the election? >> yeah, i will not get into all of the investigative track and questions that we would offer. again, it is about gathering information. >> i mean, i listen to this and i see a play out. my question is, is jane thomas going to be blocked. she is in violation of ethical norms and it looks like it was in violation of the law. will this matter get low seed to be. does the integrity of the court matter at all this? point >> i'm actually not sure that republican voters who voted based on court proposition are going to be i've -- we are looking to see what motivates them to vote. this is increasingly i in the
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subject. >> whether thomas is going to finally have consequences, i think is really important to remember, this is not demi thomas's first number oh. some of the details that have emerged as early as last spring. for instance, thomas controls the email list of the clerks alumni. this is not a woman who just wants to have a simple life of her own. she happens to be married to a supreme court justice. this is a woman who is actively using her role to benefit financially, to benefit her causes in a way that are beyond the pale. if thomas does not face consequences for this episode, then i think we all have to pack it up and go home. this is such a blatant corruption. >> i remember when she got that voice mail for anita hill, which was a wild move in of
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itself. charles coleman will restart will re-ask for this in the next half hour. thank you for joining us. a go off to enjoy your saturday. hope to come back soon. join us later for a special january 6th recap coverage. this tuesday, tonight for the special coverage of the next hearing. it is going to be at noon to say, led by howie jackson. this is followed by the live session that begins at 8 pm. will the voters care about the january 6th hearings when they go to the polls this hearing. we are going to dig down dig in today. this is coming up. stay tuned. p. stay tuned what do you want to leave behind? that's your why. it's your purpose, and we will work with you every step of the way to achieve it. right now, we're all feelin' a little strapped. but weekends are still all about grilling. and walmart always keeps prices low
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the compelling testimony and evidence for the january 6th hearings, showing the trump almost got his vice president killed, would sway these quote on quote undecided voters. i don't know that those folks actually exist. but when you are dealing with high prices and everything from gas, to food, to rent, and that is the only thing you are hearing about in the media sometimes. come this november, will voters be more concerned with saving money than saving democracy? i certainly hope that is not the only choice. so joining me now is for austin mandala non the, and len when executive director of running api. so glad to have you both here, and i really want to get to this conversation because, for none i'll start with. you will voters remember what we are hearing from the january
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6th? because you know, i just feel like attention span of our fellow american people, including my own, it is breach sometimes. and so you forget by the time you go into that ballot box. what are your thoughts here? >> tiffany, they better remember. quite simply because this is the most important story in the history of the republic. now i know that that sounds like a big statement, but we have never experienced what we are seeing right now, which is clear cut evidence that the president of the united states, donald trump, and his political party, the republican party, attempted to end the democracy and stage a coup to overthrow the government. but to your question, will the voters to remember, you know i have said this before and i will say it again, this these hearings if you will, in the minds of a lot of voters -- and i know this is gonna sound bizarre -- but in the minds of a lot about yours as his political theater. the reason that is is, there have been no indictments. there's been no one who has been held accountable at the
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highest level. so they say oh you know wet, if it were really that bad, donald trump would be indicted. donald trump would be put in jail, and the people around him. and that is blame of the justice department, now everybody says well the justice department is watching the attorney general said, we are all seeing what is going on. if they don't indict before the midterm elections, and this is not a political statement, this is based on the law and order that the january six committee is clearly putting on a platter for them, the voters are gonna walk away saying this is like benghazi but for the democrats. this isn't real, and they are gonna focus on the other issues. which are affecting them in a more visceral way. despite the fact that this is the most important, and disturbing incident that has ever happened in the 246 years of the american constitutional republic. >> yeah, i think that is a really good point, for anand. and lynn, when this constant storyline, of inflation and people are feeling it at the grocery store.
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so it is challenging when, come november when it's time to cast a ballot. i just wonder if people understand how serious this is. the people watching this program are obviously into politics, and follow things, but it is our family members, our friends, our cousins, the distance people who might not wake up reading a papers every morning, how are those folks gonna show up and show out this november. what are your thoughts? >> you know, it is a very good question, tiffany. and it is going to very deeply depending on where you are. as a campaigner, as someone who knocks on doors, as someone who makes these calls to voters, we have to connect these dots every single week. people tend to forget, and you are right tiffany, every single news cycle it is something major. things are happening all the time. you know it's like, look at this polling, and we're listening to folks are telling us. i mean top issues right now, you're right it is the economy. it is jobs, it is taxes. unlike in this moment, i really don't think people can attend
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to see like this adversarial, cultural worst up to be like a big ticket issue. but it is like the nuts and bolts of every day living you know. and we are also living in the limit during days of the pandemic, the associated economic recession, there is just so much happening that my concern for november is making this connection for voters every single day. because people will forget, they will. >> yeah, they will forget. and i think one, and the point you are making is, we see like the mueller report. that was going to be the big reveal, and then people i think thought donald trump was going to get her walked right at the white house. and not a lot really came from that. when so if these hearings happen, and then the doj doesn't pursue aggressively, i know they are putting a lot of the proud boys and the rank and file folks but, last segment lucy talk mend a great point about the jeff hollies of the world. what about members of congress who were -- these insurrectionists on capitol hill. i want to show a poll that you actually sent me, and thank you for texting in this poll.
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it frightened me but it was a really good point. how many people think that america is in danger of no longer being a democracy. i think that should frighten everyone, as we go into the polls this november. how did democrats make that point to the voting electorate. >> well part of the findings of this poll was that was amongst republicans and democrats, tiffany, and saying that they don't think it democracy is likely to withstand in the united states. look, i am also upset about rising gas prices, i am also upset about prices rising, but i also know that it is blasphemy or putin's fault that gas prices are rising, in the supply chain issues that continue to bedevil around the pandemic as we get back to normal, are impacting that. but the fundamental truth is, tiffany, if you think the economy is tight now, if you think prices are a problem now, if you think gas is a problem now, wait until you see what it is like any totalitarian, fascist, authoritarian government. because you haven't seen
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nothing the. at and i say it is someone who comes to a cuban family, who go to cuba now. ask me about gas prices and the economy there, go to venezuela, go to russia. it is a really different situation. but until those issues are put forth, tiffany, to the american people, and and contextualize, they are not gonna understand. and that's why i hold garland, the attorney gahr general, and the justice department responsible. if they don't bring these indictments on what is cluster crystal clear smoking gun evidence, it will be an active dereliction of duty by the attorney general, before the midterms, so that the voters can see not only is this real, this is criminal accountability and they can make that judgment and decision when they go vote in november. >> yeah, and it is a really big important election, happening down there in florida. so i hope folks definitely pay attention to that. and lynn, obviously you know a lot of these races are won on the margins, and the api community is the bass is growing community in this country. campaigns injury shot to those communities for sure. >> yes. >> all right while we are out
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>> right. >> all right, let's talk about. in georgia republicans editorial candidate, herschel walker, has consistently criticized absentee black fathers. this is a pervasive myth that has been disproven, by the way. but it turns out that, until now, he has never publicly acknowledged three have his own
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children. earlier this week, the daily beast reported that walker had a second son, and wait there's more. walker eventually confirmed that he has a total of four children. happy father's day, herschel walker. in part of a statement, walker says, i have four children. three sons and her daughter. they are not undisclosed, he says, they are my kids. i support them all, and let them. all saying, i had my children because i don't discuss them with reporters to win a campaign. that's outrageous. and seen. well joining me now discuss this is, easton lana haines msnbc political contributor and editor at large, for the 19th. i can think of no better person to have this conversation. because aaron of, course grew up in atlanta, and covers politics all over the country. first of all, can we talk about his statement? so, he says that is not true. that he has been acknowledging his kids. but their receipts don't just confirm. that according to the reporting, walker was ordered to pay child support starting in 2014.
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this whole thing came out because of a maternity suit from the mom. my question is, erin, is this even going to matter to the maga base in georgia? >> well, you know, i think that there are probably much more concerned with his record as a uja running back than that these children who were undisclosed. i mean look, this is really just the latest discrepancy in his biography. as we continue to learn more about herschel walker, every fact-check just keeps turning up you know these kind of falls is. now again, undisclosed does not necessarily have to mean absentee. yet, i think it is interesting that he has certainly made a point repeatedly of talking about absentee fathers in the black community. certainly something that can be a talking point in conservative circles that plays well with some of those voters. so the discrepancy between that
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is pretty interesting. >> kind of given the dynamics of this race. senator warnock for people who know his biography is his father up. to >> right, exactly. but let's talk about the kid that he does choose to put out there for the campaign. christian walker, this poor child, i really do, i have on us to get this into that the for him because i think he is confused, clearly. take a listen to you. and he is an adult, but he's a child of herschel walker. let's take a listen to what he has to say about fathers. fathers, it would be great if you stayed home and raise your kids instead of runoff to bang a bunch of women who are not chair baby mamas. stay home and raise your kids. your kids need a father. get back home. get back home. if you take out your thing and you get a woman pregnant, the party days are over. the acting foolish days are over. you go get a free can job and
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you support your new family. >> i want to tell our viewers that that is not an snl skit. it is a real life video that people posted on tiktok. what do you think this relationship is like with his siblings? >> i do not know. he is not interested in being undisclosed and is going to be part of this campaign, whether dad is can't given permission or not. >> he was at mar-a-lago introducing herschel walker and saying our proudly was of him. we haven't seen the other kids do that. you say there are discrepancies in herschel's bio. their claims that he worked in f as an fbi agent, he claims that he graduated from uja, he did not. he had it on the campaign website and took it off. he said that he graduated in top 1% of his class. this is a lie. he question evolution. he questioned a science that is
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basic. it drives me and saying that because he is a heisman trophy winner, this could be the thing that potentially -- is reverend more not in danger here? he is polling well. >> senator warnock and herschel walker are in a tight race for the senate. this is not because of the donald trump effect. this is what the media assumes. it is the ss sea effect. herschel walker being a national and well-known running back this is why he is known. this is a popularity contest. they are very excited about herschel walker. you talk about the discrepancies. he also claims to have been creating a veterans charity. he did not help created but it was problematic. he was a paid celebrity spokesperson for. i think that not only is there a question and you see senator warnock running ads of who
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georgia voters want. you know this as well as anybody, in atlanta, you have a business community who is very concerned about elected officials being able to represent them as they bring economic investment to the state. is herschel walker the one, based on public statements, based on performance on the campaign trail already, is this someone that you want in the room when you are trying to make multi billion dollar investments and bring that to the state of georgia. is senator warnock some of that you want? >> that is absolutely a question. you do not really see him on a debate stage in the primary. i think that the contrast between a herschel walker and he senator warnock on a debate stage would be pretty stark. >> i do not think that the snl rioters would have to write it. they can to show the real coverage. then there is the question about when will the more moderate republican voters -- which at this point, we have to
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acknowledge right wing extremists are the party. folks say that they are more moderate. will they show up to support herschel walker. the people who might be a little more informed and engaged? i will say that time will tell. >> we will have to wait and find. out is donald trump going to be a factor in that race? do we see him come and campaign for herschel walker? will voters who vote for kemp, for example, are those people who are willing to vote down power for someone like herschel walker? i guess time will tell. >> georgia, you are on my mind. come through. thank you so much. coming up in the show, i will find out about my own african ancestry. stay tuned for that. we will be right back. l be right back. in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health.
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women's rights. now here, not now, not ever. [applause]. >> while states like new york move to protect abortion access ahead of the decision on roe v. wade, elsewhere, it is a different story. according to the new york times, some clinics around the country have already stopped providing abortions ahead of the ruling. in oklahoma and south dakota, none of the clinics are providing abortions. this means, it is impossible to get the care that is still protected by row, unless you cross state lines. joining me now is host of the undetected podcast an msnbc contributor, brittany cunningham. brittani, thank you for being here. as we just talked about, these clinics are across the country and preemptively shutting down. it is really tragic. what is the consequence of that for women, particularly for women who do not have the means to cross state lines to get to the abortion care that they
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need. what is a look like for those women? >> absolutely, tiffany. the consequences are terrifying. of course, they are having to make tough challenging decisions. what happens if a ruling comes down at the state or federal level while they are in the middle of the care. the kind of trauma that could be imparted by someone to stop the care that they thought that they were going to get and the fact that this very intimate, challenging procedure medically is such a political football. it is already traumatizing. clinics have to make a difficult decisions. of course, to your point, the narrowing ability to access abortion care is wreaking havoc on many communities. we actually have seen the name number of abortions increase over the last couple of years. we know that people continue to need this care. it is often a lot of smaller, local, less funded abortion clinics that are still able to provide this care. the fact of the matter is, there are a lot of people who
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do not believe in abortion. they are antiabortion. they themselves have access or want access to one. the truth of the matter is that healthy white women believe that they could access abortion whether they fly out of the country, whether they can get that medical access irrespective of the law of the land, irrespective of what the supreme court might do about roe v. wade. sadly, those who are most affected yet again our black, brown, indigenous people, poor people, folks who do not have the ability to access abortion care outside of the united states. >> yeah, and i think about this segment we did on the cross connection last week on cook county illinois, children, minors, who were shuffled into detention centers. there are so many challenges for kids like across the country. i wonder what advice he might offer to these anti choice activists sudan themselves pro-choice who are so concerned about fetuses. what other issues might they
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invest their time and effort in that could actually benefit women and children. to the women who supported republican candidates who deny them from this care, what other issues might they became concerned about. what are your thoughts there? >> i want them to keep the same energy. if it is pro-life one day, in his three pro-life all the time. we are living in a country with a tampon shortage, formula shortage, and extremely expensive childcare. you cannot tell me that this is a country that actually believes in the sanctity of all life for all people. we're talking about issues like childhood poverty. we talk about inequitable education. housing water this is all making children sick. concern yourselves with these things, especially as we look ahead on the juneteenth tomorrow. i think as a black woman. we so often do not have control over our own bodies. there is forced sterilization, forced medical procedures that happened to us in our history and our chronically still happening. they're happening to black
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women, to indigenous people, to immigrants. we need to make sure that we recognize that every single person in this country and in this world deserves to have full autonomy, agency, over their own body. >> take a listen, brittani, to this moment in 1973 when the news of roe was first announced. i want you to listen because i'm thinking about all of the fight that we have had for so long that still persists. take a listen to this and i will talk about it on the other side. >> we are ruling that the supreme court today legalized abortions. >> the government has no right to enter into the decision that should be made between the mother and the doctor. >> january 22nd, 1973, will stand out as one of the great days for freedom and free choice. >> i just wonder, as we are out of time, if you could leave us with your thoughts of those who are tired of fighting as it is
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one battle after another from abortion rights to civil rights that keep ongoing. any words of inspiration as we go into another fight as this midterm election cycle begins? >> the fact that we are facing opposition to these freedoms means that we are on to something. if there is anything that gives me the inspiration to keep pushing, it is the fact that both the people in 1973 and 1873 were fighting for freedom. if they can keep fighting, we can keep going. at the end of the day, if the opposition is this great, it is because we know that we can win. and they know that we can win. our freedom is destined. >> thank you so much for that, brittani. thank you for being here. our love to baby am this morning from taking time away from him to join us. we will take a peek at espn's new documentary film 37 words and the impact that title ix has had for women and girls in sports and education. filmmaker joins me next to talk about that. al about that
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lower. longer. leqvio. she did not have the speed, strength, spring, or stamina to compete with the remarkably athletic men who play basketball to tights. level >> but are you doing? your girl, you can't play basketball guys. you're not good enough, you're not strong enough. you're not this in you're not. that >> and i just kept saying, it's an opportunity that most men don't get, and i'm going to take. it >> 54-part documentary series dives into the groundwork behind title, madeleine like legislation of course, that opened school sports to women for the first time, 50 years ago. joining me now is the filmmaker herself, behind 37 words. don porter. don, so happy to have you back in the cross connection this morning. i'm very excited about your film. i love watching sports documentaries. not game so much, but sports documentaries i love.
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before we get into the film, because i think this touches on your film. britney griner, the whole reason why she is even overseas playing basketball, kind of speaks to the discrepancy here. her detention has been extended. and i'm just curious your thoughts, given what your film is about and watching what is happening with her. >> yeah, it is a global disgrace that britney griner continues to be detained. it is 120 days that she has been detained by foreign power. that is just an acceptable. the other thing i want to point out, because i am a lawyer as well, is she has been detained in what we call pre-tire trial detention. that, is she is being detained in a foreign nation without due process, based on allegations of that foreign power. there is absolutely no reason to detain an american citizen abroad. but, you're absolutely right.
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we heard a tension points to the inequalities that continue to remain for women and men in pro sports. the reason that she is in russia in the first place, is because she makes far less than men who are equivalent to her skill level and her success. she's a two-time olympian, she's in multiple mvp, she is a star. she is an american star, and we need to support women, the same way that we would support men. can you imagine steph curry being in jail and not being on the news every single night? of course not. and i love steph curry, go warriors. but i think that discrepancy is shocking, and it does point to title ix. it does point to the inequalities between men and women, and how they are treated, particularly in professional sports. >> yeah, steph curry, tom brady, aaron rodgers, like any of those folks. it would be the breaking news
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banner would be plastic are us our screens every day. so it is disappointing. we will definitely keep her name in the headlines until she is brought home safely. i do want to talk about the film, because one thing i find very interesting about title ix, and quite frankly a lot of movements, it's even advance this it was very much modeled after the civil rights movement. what is your film exploring about that? >> you know, i am so glad you are highlighting that. and that is something that was really interesting to me. so title ix is a civil rights law, it is 37 words that says that women should not be discriminated against in education. it evolved in, the conversation evolved into discussion about sports because that is where the primary fights were. but really it is a quality and education, and whatever form discrimination takes. title ix is a law that has been used to combat it. so when we were interviewing some of the women who were the four mothers of title ix, they
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told me that they modeled the activity on people such as john lewis, on the civil rights movement. and they saw those activists, and how they were successful in combatting discrimination, and that is how they model their efforts. it was to get a law passed, but it was also to make sure that that line was in the streets. and you have women in the of color who at the center of this fight. you have women like patsy mink, there are pro athletes at the center of this fight, there are black women lawyers like morneau williams successfully argued the first time that title ix was used to combat student on student sexual harassment. so it is a really rich history i love that people are going to hear about all the sports and athletic achievements, but i really want people to focus on this -- . >> and i just want to point out that patsy make was the first woman of color to gets elected to congress. you know, i have to say i find
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women's sports a little more interesting, quite honestly. when i was out, i watch the click of a role and it made me want to watch every wnba game. take a look at this conflict, we will say, between summer and her bestie. >> 22 for lloyd, and game high. third locks up to rossi and, superdome that shouldn't have been a jump ball. that is just a steal. but now, burdened sure aussie will jump it up. and now sue was saying, i had the ball. was saying you had my arm, and i say no you have my. >> i thought that was such a great moment, that these two friends are like arguing over the ball. they are like serious, you know. they are serious on that court, and we don't see a lot of storylines like that, and so thanks to this amazing legislation, there is a lot of work to be done on title ix. the biden administration is
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revisiting this, so you ought to come back to that we could talk more about the present day policy side, because we are not all equal yet. so thank you so much, don quarter for being here. and i do want to tell our viewers to be sure to catch 37 words with episodes one and two premiering this tuesday, on espn, at 8 pm eastern standard time. thank you don quitter. coming up in the next hour, capitol police officer harry dunn, is here with me to share his reaction to what we learned so far in the general six investigation, as the committee prepares for its fourth hearing. plus, i'm going to check in with my girl joy reid, i back to work on a saturday so you don't want to miss that. we are going to discuss our special, the culture is black women, and that airs right here on msnbc at 7 pm eastern tomorrow. this and much more is coming, on the second hour of cross connections. stay with us. tions. stay with us stay with us bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place.
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welcome to the cross connection. and last january 6th hearings, pence was painted as an and heard hero as he got to the day of the resignation -- election. >> we thank mr. pence for his courage on january six. our democracy came incredibly
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close to -- >> he underscored that his oath to office was more important than his loyalty to donald trump. he did his duty. >> let me be clear, vice president pence did the right thing that day. he did his truth to his oath to defend the constitution. >> i, mean congressman thompson is not wrong. he came close to a catastrophe as they breached the capitol and damaged everything and everyone in their path. how did the capital become so vulnerable to begin with? how did insurrection is nowhere to go when inside. on wednesday, the january six committee released on some unknown footage of a man who took a tour of the capital. this is days before the insurrection. this was a tour led by a man of congress. he was a scoping out the capitol. pence narrowly escaped the mob calling for his head just by 40 feet. they were so much to be shocked
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by in these weeks hearings. the question remains that, what would be the consequences for both the bad actors who launch the interactive shun, and for american democracy. joining me is harry dunn, a capitol police officer. i'm lucky to have him on this i woodman. back with me is legal analyst charles coleman junior, a civil rights attorney and a former prosecutor. these two have been friends for a long time. i'm happy to have them with me together. officer dunn, i want to start with you. i want to thank you for your defense of democracy on that day. i want to ask how you are doing. you went through something traumatic. you've had to live it several times. we saw you get emotional during the testimony. how are your spirits? >> it is good to be here. thanks. >> likewise, brother. >> the hearings and everything are bringing out a lot of emotions. it is also bringing out a lot
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of facts. we had our opinions of what happened. everyone thought that we know with this is about and what happened. being able to actually have those confirmed through the hearings is like a fellow has been vindicated. >> that is good to note. you are saying that you have all of the facts in the hearings, but what has been the most revealing thing that you heard during the hearings? >> that is a hard one. i thought that a lot of the things -- the most revealing thing has been john eastman. i had no idea how much of a scumbag that guy is. i did not pay much attention to what went on behind the scenes to formulate the plot of january six. >> you are right there on the frontlines. >> i had no idea what was going on. now being able to be able to see what was going on. what a durable, terrible,
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horrible, human being that man is. >> i think about what led to this point. that is why i'm hesitant to say, mike pence is such a hero. you want credit for something that the constitution dictated but you are still part of an administration that very much led to the moment today. it is going to be a lot of hero painting after. >> we really have to be careful about this narrative that romanticized mike pence. let's be clear about something, he did the right thing. he did what he was supposed to do. mike pence is no hero. i think we have to be honest about that in terms of the conversation. the reality is, and you just said it, there are so many different things that this administration did, that were on the fringes of legality if not infringing upon the rights of the americans, disenfranchising them, and led to this a place and this point that mike pence was complicit in terms of the rest of this term. while you stand up and do the right thing once, you get a clap. you get one applause. you are not now allotted as
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this hero. this does not erase the entire tenure of who you were in office until this point. >> the clap is generous. >> absolutely. >> officer dunn, because you are there and experienced it in a way that none of us can even remotely relate to, i was amongst the crowd. i was not in the capitol. i did not feel like my life was in danger. you did. what does justice look like to you? >> so, it is interesting that you say that. i talked with a few of my coworkers in light of the hearings that all the information that is coming out. we said, you know, the reason i spoke up was for accountability and justice. i asked them, what do you think? what is your definition of accountability? >> i have to think about it because i was like, is in jail? i had to think about it. i came up for a definition for myself. whatever it takes to make sure that they or no one else does
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that again. that's when accountability looks like to me. you would find me $10, 000, no, i will not do it anymore. you find 1 million or $10, 000, he is like whatever, that's it. >> that's a really good point. >> some of these sentences that these rioters have gotten by serving ten days in jail on the weekend. >> what? right. some people got to go to mexico on vacation. >> that is not accountability. it is whatever it takes. that is the justice department. that is their job. we do the enforcement of the law, they interpret the laws and stuff like that. that is their job. whatever it takes for someone not to do that again, that is what i am looking for. >> let me ask. we have seen footage of members of congress who were maybe a part of the insurrection being helpful. do you feel comfortable working
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on the capital again, knowing that lawmakers themselves could potentially be in cahoots with some of these bad actors. >> so, whether we like it or not our political views -- people are allowed to feel the way they want to. my job as a u.s. capitol police officer is to provide an environment where congress can do their job safely and effectively. i focus on doing my job with my coworkers around me, surrounding myself with those officers and making sure that we all have are each other's backs. to go back to the point of mike pence doing his job, we signed up for it. we know that there is an opportunity that something bad could happen. we know that there is an opportunity that -- no one wanted to happen. one people said you did your job on january 6th, that is what we did. when mike pence is called a hero, he did his job. that is when we will continue
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to do at the capitol. >> well, you are a hero. i want you to take a listen. i just want to remind the viewers, the american electorate, what happened that day. to never forget. take a look at people shouting hang mike pence that day. take a listen. >> mike pence, i hope you stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. if you are not, i will be very disappointed in you. i will tell you right now. >> i'm telling you all to pence. i am hearing that pence caved. is that true? i'm hearing reports that pence caved. i'm telling you, if pence caved, we are going to drag him through the streets. >> pay now, pence. [inaudible] >> hang mike pence! >> hang mike pence!
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>> there we are seeing a massive crowd. i remember seeing people pull up launchers outside of the capital. a lot of people were yelling horrific, racist comments and slurs. i remember you telling someone that my vote matters. you said i voted for john but joe biden, my vote matters. when you look at what this crowd looked like and saw what they said, well connected to make between those folks, widespread messi, the republican party, and where we are in this country today? >> there's a lot to unpack there. i will say that i do not believe that everyone involved with the riot on january six is a racist. there were a lot of racist people there. i hate using absolutes. i hate seeing everybody there. i do not like that. but a lot of them were there. which way do you go? how ironic or hypocritical is
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it that the republican side made something a big deal about a crt. now, they're talking point is the replacement theory. we are talking about facts and what happened to us. you are talking about what you think is going to happen. a lot of people that were there that day embraced that narrative that they are trying to be replaced. what people say that this whole january 6th committee is politicized, they are making it a partisan show. january 6th happened because of politics. you cannot take politics out of an investigation. it is about politics. the reason that january 6th happened is because i nullification was being stolen. it is a political thing. it is so much to unpack there. >> yeah, we are trying to unpack it. the country is trying to unpack it. something that's concerning, charles, there are over 100
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people who are election deniers who won their elections. these were all the blue lives matter crowd. i've never seen anyone with blue skin but i do not know what that means. this brother was here that they. did he matter? people who break the law are than allowed to be elected as lawmakers. >> it's a terrible precedent. for me, the lack of consistency is my concern. to the blue lives matter point, i remember watching the first hearing when there was unreleased footage being shown. i tweeted about the fact that there were protesters, rioters, who were there and swinging hockey sticks. they swung hockey sticks a capitol police officers like harry. think of the irony there. you are at the u.s. capitol swinging would you report to be a symbol of freedom, justice, law, order, at people who are
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sworn to protect and uphold that which you say is invested in. the lack of consistency across the board is alarming because i think that we really have to ask ourselves the question, where are we going as an electorate? we do not know, based on the information that we are learning from these hearings, how fragile democracy is. this was a keystone cops to hijack the democracy. there were still so many people who were involved in the planning and execution around it. they were literally going up to the executive and chief of the united states of america. you cannot ignore that, even as it failed miserably, in terms of what it was largely intended to do. for where we are both going, we have to be mindful. there are strong remnants of the sentiment that carried and exploded on january 6th around the country. it is not going away.
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it is finding a different way to show up. >> it did not begin with trump, it will not and with trump. we have tweeted out as we watch this other black person. it is a completely lens. we saw the american flags waving. it was white supremacy cannibalized. it was. we are running out of time. i do want to ask, you you are very close and bonded with fellow officers. you endured something traumatic. -- how are the others doing and how are your relationships with their families. it is a lot stronger. >> especially michael fanone and myself, we had nothing in common. we love this country and we believe in doing the right thing. it is as simple as that. in this day and age, while more of a bonded to you need than we believe to do the right thing and we love our country. >> i'm happy to hear that we
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are doing. well i'm happy to see that you are doing well. we love to have you here on state. thank you for taking time on this day. i'm behalf of everyone, you are an american hero. we like to celebrate that you are here. >> also, happy father's day to all the fathers out there. it is one of my favorite holidays. happy father's day to all of the people out there and all those who have lost their fathers. and happy father's day to herschel walker. >> are you a father? >> i am. happy father's day to you. >> are you a father? >> i am. not >> well happy father's day to you. our thanks to harry dunn and charles coleman junior. today at 2 pm and 8 pm on msnbc for a special recaof the hearings and coverage. tuesday, make sure to watch our special coverage of the next january six hearing that is going to happen at noon eastern. it will be led by my colleagues. you do not want to miss that. we will have a to our recap
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special beginning at 8 pm eastern all on msnbc. we will be on top of these hearings from now until they conclude. coming up later in the, show celebrating father's day like harry dunn just a tease the next segment. we will have a panel of rock star dads to give us their takes on all things fatherhood. keep it right here. first, i will check in with my girl joy reid. she is working on a saturday. we are going to give you a sneak preview of the special that airs tomorrow night. the culture is black women. it airs on standard time. it is a gift for all you fathers out. there we will be right back. will be right back.
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with one hour special into an inside of what happens when black women gather. my co-host and sister architect of all this magic is really excited to tell you about it. she is working on a saturday morning after working all week. joining me now is the amazing joy reid host of the readout. joy, listen, i know that after you have done your show five days a week, getting up on a saturday, i have to start off with a thank you, thank, you thank you. thank you for being here. >> i did not wear my glam. i'm coming in with my t-shirt. i'm about to get in the car and head out of town on vacay. i am cool. i'm from the basement. i'm good. >> i love it! i love your coming to america t-shirt. when i wear it i will give you credit in my heart. with this blond hair, a honey, the hair says it all. you do not need any glam. i am so excited about the special. you and i went on vacation together and this is when we
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started brainstorming this idea of a special with our girl group. we thought, how can we extend this conversation to other women. he really had the great idea of how it would look. let's talk through your idea of doing this as a dinner. >> when you told me the idea. first of all, we talked about it a lot. we've posted the picture of having fun. everyone was like what was that lipstick, what was that bag, what did you have on? we were intentional of wearing black designers and build those folks up. this was not just promotion, it was just what we did. when you had this great idea to take that and expand the table, because so many people were like how can i go on a trip, and be a part of it. i was thinking, why don't we make it a dinner. make it a dinner so people can make it feel like they are at the table with us, with a group of women who are going to be from all walks of life like
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entertainment, journalism, a politics, head of the joneses. it is an eclectic group of black women having a conversation at dinner. my thought was, if we are going to do it in new york, it has to be in harlem. if you're going to be in harlem, you have to go to mint in. it is a great speakeasy from one of the golden areas of a blackness in america. this is from the heart of president's songs and the jazz age. it is a perfect place to do it. of course, if you're in harlem, you have to eat. you need to have melba. you had to have all of the perfect ingredients. >> i love it! it was royalty. i felt like we were treated like queens. melbourne was amazing. i agree, harlem was such a great place to do it. the women at the table that you brought up, it was such a great group of women coming from different walks of life. since we are talking about this fabulous crown of yours, i do want to play a quick clip from the special where ayanna pressley, from boston, talked
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about the crown act which she was instrumental in passing. >> we passed the crown act. it is banding race -- it was from banning rays based. those applause were for keeping my composure after all those offensive things were said. a person across the aisle refer to it as the bad hair bill. it makes the case for the very thing we are talking about. the thing is, people get it wrong when the crown act is about hair. it is about white supremacy. >> the interesting thing joy is not all politics and policy. we talk about everything. when she made that comment about one of her colleagues saying the bad hair day it made me think that we have our own language. you might recognize the words but the tone redefines. it when she said that and we
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were like a girl, no, tell me why. that is how we speak. there were so many moments like that at the dinner. >> absolutely! the thing that is great about this is that this is the grout councilman ayanna pressley. we are with it to make a, lindsay and all these fabulous women. they are telling stories that we can all relate to. i have had that happened to me. i've tried every hairstyle, as you know. you are looking at my old hairstyle there. when i had braids, i was a young woman going out there getting a job and that my braids were unprofessional at a staffing company. she said i cannot send you to an interview like that. my hair was neat and beautiful. the thought process was this is not a professional look. every woman at that table can relate to having our hair judged and having our hair racialized and used against us. the great thing about this special is that it is not all politics. it is black women having
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conversations that black women have whenever they get together, wherever they get together. you can put any ten black women at a table at a dinner in a fabulous cecil and they would have many of these same fought conversations. >> before we get let you go, the moment that a lot of us have talked about came from maria taylor. we did not know maria before the dinner. we did nowhere because we have all been disrespected in the way that she was. i want to play a clip about her talk about her departure from espn. she discusses on this special for the first time. >> i've been on both sides of it. i have worked really hard to get to the nba finals. i had a white woman raise her hand and say you only got the job because you are black. i had my camp company stand behind that thought. they then told me that i am not being professional because i am refusing to work with her. at some point, i realized. i turned 35 in may. i was going to give up my whole
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job. i had to walk into my integrity right now. >> i think all of us can relate to that moment from maria taylor in the many ways that black women are challenged. again, joy, i want to remind our viewers that it is not all sad and heavy. there is a lot of laughter. it is really a lens into the unique conversations when black women gather. >> we laughed more than we ate. we ate so much food because it was so delicious. we were laughing most of the time. there is every moment you could. have there are moments where you are outraged, angry, want to punch through the screen, but there's moments where you are going to laugh, enjoy, and wish that you had that fork in your hand putting the food in your mouth. the food was fabulous! it was an incredible, incredible day. i'm so excited to share with the world. >> likewise. we definitely ate. that's why every saying you have me there like --
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it was terrible. >> i had two pairs of spanx. i was going to make sure that i would not explode out of my outfit. i've kept my outfit on. >> the food was bomb. thank you to melba. thank you joy. go off and enjoy your saturday. i know you got up for us this morning. thank you, joy reid. do not forget. happy juneteenth. do not forget to tune in tomorrow night for the culture is black women at the 10 pm eastern on msnbc and be sure to catch the readout on msnbc as on pm eastern. next, i will share my african ancestry dna results. i did the dna test and it turns out, you will see this after the break. er e thbreak. a little elbow grease, you can do just about anything. thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way.
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it is with a long history and it's not begin. it's not we can when we came here with chains. it started with our dna being stolen from us robbing us of our lineage. this is until now. african ancestry specializes in connecting the diaspora with their african roots. knowing where you are from is a critical component of knowing where you are. they're going to reveal to me where i come from live on air right now. i will be seeing the results with you for the first time. joining me is gina page. she is the president and cofounder of african ancestry .com. so happy to have you here. >> thank you. >> i'm excited to find out who i am. before you tell me that, explain to our viewers why this is an important thing to do. why does this help us connect with our roots? >> we are the original victims of identity theft. you do not know your name, can speaker in that language, we don't know who your family is,
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you cannot know who you are. we deserve to know the people and the cultures that inform who we are. our hair, you were talked about that earlier, how we move, the foods we eat, all of the cultural elements come from africa. we deserve to know which specific once they come from. >> i am curious to know which specific once i come from. before you tell me, can you explain to me how all of this works. i know that i took a dna test, it turns out -- anyway. i know that i'm off. i did not get the science behind it. >> we traced your maternal ancestry. one branch of your entire family tree. it is your mother's, mothers, mothers, mothers line going back 200 years. we are able to do that. there is dna that you inherited from your mother that never changed. you have the exact same mitochondrial dna as that woman
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who was stolen from the shores of western central erica africa. isn't every cell of your body. now technology allows us to unlock that dna and tells you where she was. >> i refused to cry about it. it is so moving, really. i say a lot. the blood of my ancestors run-through me and i think that it is true, scientifically. >> we know that we are african. we know we are west african. but, where? >> it is so much in a portrait of my story. drumroll. tell me. >> we found that people living in the country of ghana. >> i knew it. i have always said it. i knew it. they told me. they whispered it to me. >> within ghana, there are several different ethnic groups. you share ancestry with the icon people living in and ghana today. what is so exciting today is that we know about the icon without even knowing it.
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we have these symbols, the birds that we are familiar with. you have to go back and look at your past tumult merv forward. there are already symbols of akan culture that you share. >> i had a professor in college. he was from diana. he would always come back and bring me beautiful cloths. i would read books from the gulf coast. >> have you visited? >> i am not. i am tagging along with my friend this year. my friends go all the time. we are definitely trying to go. i did not go during the year of the return. i'm telling, you i knew. i just felt this connection to gone up my whole life. i am overwhelmed that i am connected to ghana genetically. >> it is not just you. it is everyone in your family from that one test that you took. everyone in your family from
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your mother, grandmother, great grandmother, you could share all that result with them. >> i love it! i love that! my heart is beating so fast. i'm excited to know this. why should other people do this and what is the difference between your group and the other ancestry companies? what is the difference between yours? do you do the european as all? >> if they came back european i would have told you that. we tell you whatever we find. what makes african ancestry special is that we have the largest data base of african lineage is. other companies can tell you health traits, your fifth and sixth cousins, but they do not have nearly the size sample base of african lineage is to get specific to the iconic living in ghana. they are living in sierra leone. we destroyed your dna. >> i do not want anyone
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tracing. >> we destroy it. we do not share or sell our customers dna ever. >> i feel like i need to go learned cree. i need to look at travel to ghana. i feel so special and overwhelmed by knowing this information. that is so amazing. thank you for giving me this piece of myself. >> happy june teeth. knowledge is power. now you have knowledge yourself. >> i really appreciate that. you are right, and knowing where you come from is a key component to knowing who you are. thank you. happy juneteenth to my brothers and sisters out there in ghana. i appreciate doctor page for joining us this morning. i need a commercial break. i want to hug her and get teary eyed. before i do that, a programming note for tonight, to catch the encore presentation of four seasons total documentary which is now with rudy giuliani's infamous press conference at a four seasons landscaping. this is as the 2020 presidential election was being called for joe biden.
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and brian rosenberg, he is founder of deeds with kids the largest online resource for gay by and chance dads and that's to be. i'm so excited to have this panel. and so i wanted to start out with something positive. so tell me, and i will start with you. lewis tell me what is the best thing about fatherhood? >> we i think that you get the opportunity to be better to your children. [inaudible] but i get to see a replication of myself in my children, and i also get to guide them in a way as to where i have been down the corners of time in the hallway of life a little further than they have. it is not that they always listen to me, but it does feel good to be able to just give them some transferable principles that i may or may not have picked up from my father. >> i love. that doctor tolson, first of
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all one of your kids has already written a book and they are not even adults yet. but i want you to tell us the most challenging thing about being about. there >> okay, the first thing i was gonna say is how entertaining our kids can be. the most challenging thing i think is that point of departure, and when you realize that you can't move them into your image and you have to appreciate them up for the amazing person that they are becoming, which is completely distinct from who you are. our so that can be a challenge at first, but once you recognize the individual that they are becoming can be greater than you, it becomes one of those. joy is >> yeah, i can see it being a challenge and joy. so you have been instrumental in helping fathers adopt children, and people in the lgbtq community to adopt children. tell us about that, and is it more, because adoption is a
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challenging anyway. one of our producers adopted child, i've many friends who are adoptive parents. so how is it doing it specifically for the lgbt community? >> so, first of all it is going to be. here i will tell you that they're actually several real different paths to fatherhood that we that most of us can choose to take. so my husband and i adopted and did a combination of adoption service to our gusty. so i think when we did this it was 12 or 15 years ago. there were no resources whatsoever out there and we had to figure it out out on our own. on top of that. on top of that we thought we would adopt a baby boy but it didn't end up happening. so then we decided to become dads with surrogacy. i am hiv positive, so we had to figure out how we could make that all work out. i have been for over 30 years. so no one knows more than me just how complicated our pass
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for fatherhood are for gay men, which is why we launch gays with kids. and a few months ago we actually launched something called t w k academy, where we would walk you through all your options. and then once you figure out the best path to fatherhood is for your family, we will take you step-by-step through every process. >> i love that i. want to get into loot with you, louis, there are a lot of challenges with fatherhood. but you are mr. you in iran that mrs. obama's culture democracy paneled together this weekend. and i hugged all your, time out talking to you all weekend. because your story was so compelling, and you are talking to me about being a returning citizen after serving 14 years and white fathers go through in prison. there are over 100,000 parents in federal state prison 90% are. fathers so talk to us about the challenges that happened inside prison, and also what happens
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when it comes to fatherhood when you get. out >> yes a look, the united states population of african americans is approximately 12, 12 and a half percent. but we make up approximately 40% of the united states incarceration population, which means both incarcerated, and people under supervision in the community. of that number there approximately 51% you have to be. parents and when you sat, down about 35% happen to be african american fathers. and i fell into that statistic. when i was approximately five years old, both my parents were incarcerated and i was raised by my maternal grandmother. and then when i hit the age of approximately 23 or so, there i am perpetuating that trans generational pathology of incarceration, so to speak. where i was incarcerated myself, leaving my children to be raised by their mothers. and i can tell you, when i was in, and i'm just getting a little emotional just thinking about it.
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when i was in, being able to try to parent you are children in the course of you know, a 5 to 6-hour visit, in 15 minute telephone call increments, where you only get 300 minutes a month. when you are trying to stay as engaged as you can through letters, through emails et cetera, it is extremely -- i don't think that there is a word in webster's dictionary to appropriately and grammatical profundity, to the level of emotion emotional weight that comes with it. and if i can tell you what is challenging their, even when i come home from incarceration they were approximately 18. and so they're their own, person they're going into their own person and that was a challenge in and of itself. but i can tell, you through love, through grace, through prayer through to termination inconsistency, we are far much better now than what we were
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before and inspiration is really the tears at the fabric of who we are. >> and i think it is so important what you said, because the humanity that are men get robbed of being overly criminalized and shuffled into the prison system. this is to make a conversation have, so i want to stick around. we are going to be right back with more from our panel of pops, because i imagine doctor 's olson has something to say about what lewis region said so i will see you on the other side of this break. ou on the othe side of this break homegrown tomatoes...nice. i want to feel in control of my health, so i do what i can. what about screening for colon cancer? when caught in early stages it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers, even in early stages. early stages? yep, it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk.
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and hit that mental reset button every morning. because there is so much pressure. we are afraid to show people or vulnerability, right? and so, when we need to understand that, it is okay to lean on somebody and say, man i just need to talk to you. >> anytime a display is shown, you want to show some positivity indicated structure of a home. you don't want our kid to see mom and daddy arguing, you want them to see love. all the time. >> you know, doctor -- we talked about it, but there is this pervasive myth about the absent black father. when the data just not does not bear that out. you just heard lewis saying, i was behind bars trying to be the best father that i kid to my kids from the system that imprisoned. we talk about that if you. we'll >> well white patriarchy has defined what fatherhood is in the united states. and since the white man became the model of what a father
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should look like, black men became the anti father. and then you had the monahan reports and, you know all of these different bs stats. the bad stats, that i talked about. but it simply isn't true. and why black men have had to do is to read the fine print of what's fatherhood looks like. the father is the one who makes a whole lot more money to the mother, who works long days where the mother sink care of the child. what about the father who makes less than the mother, but spends more time with the children? what about nonresident fathers who still pick up a lot of the pace and does some of the daily functions of that child, and a lot of the white collar men don't do? so blackmon it really had to redefine what fatherhood is and what it looks like in the society for our own validation. >> yeah, which is unfortunate. and ryan, in your line of work,
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how is it was same-sex couples? because we are disrupting a lot of the traditional roles of mothers and fathers, so how does that work when it comes with the same gender loving home? >> so, it is very. aides and every household is different. it is all based on -- which is how it should be everywhere -- it is all been stuck on our own individual restraints and desires. so i am the markedly one with the kids and our family, but i also am working most of the day. i'm not a full-time state home dad. so it is just different, and i can say we have people come up to us still today and say, so who's the mom of the family? >> and i also do the dishes, so it really it is just, it is how it should be for every family. you do wet feels natural to you. >> yeah, absolutely. lewis, i just have to thank you again for sharing your story. you also mentioned that inside
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prison, a lot of menu winningest commit suicide on father's day because it is such a lonely holiday. so just to show some joy on this day, and what it is like being a father, i'm just curious what is your ideal plan for father's day, how do you like spending time with their kids, and celebrate all that you've done in their lives despite the many challenges that you've already overcome? >> well first of all i'm going to get you for almost like we cry, a national tv. that, look, for me father's day is not an annual event. every time i connect with my children, every time i get telephone call, every time i'm speaking with them at length, that is a moment of celebration for me, especially considering where i came from just six plus years ago. and so, when i think about what it is for me to show up and the joys of being a father, it is just those little moments. those little moments fit into the larger framework of who we
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are as individuals, and how we are trying to show up as fathers, black fathers in particular. >> i love that. well, i want to wish all three of you a happy father's day. thank you lose read, dr. ivory and brian rosenberg, i'm agile three of them back in the show quite a. bit happy father's day to my own biological father, but to my uncles, my uncle brady, uncle mark, uncle brady, uncle roadie, all the men in my life having father's day to. you and you can catch our father's day special, can you hear us now black fathers, that's airing later tonight on nbc news. you can check your local listings for times. coming up tomorrow, on the sunday show as we commemorate juneteenth, jonathan kaye heart means a family purchased land in southern jimmy and later learned their ancestors were enslaved on the very same property. that is airing tomorrow at 10 am eastern, right here on msnbc, and we'll be right back. tern, right here on msnbc, and we'll be right back. and we'll be right back. what happens when performance...
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i lucked that. segment >> i love. am >> i thought it was so cool. that was just a lot of fun, finding out your history. i bet it's exciting for, you i can. tell >> i'm's overwhelmed, i can't until i go look, research, and read. i am so excited to know. >> i love, did i loved watching your reaction to, our got a goddess. thank you so much, have a great day. >> thanks alex, bye. >> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everybody to alex witt reports. we begin as with breaking news as today covid vaccines could be approved for millions of the country's youngest children. a virtual meeting right now underway where cdc advisers are expected to vote this hour on whether the benefits outweigh the risks for children under five, and if approved, they could be available as soon as tuesday. so we are gonna bring you the results when they happen. also today, the january six select committee is gearing up for two more public hearings next week.

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