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people are hurting. families are. parents are. and look, as divided as our country is, this gun responsibility issue is one that we agree on more than we don't. it really is. >> uvalde, texas, native and actor matthew mcconaughey adds star power emotional comments from the white house as part of the push for gun restrictions. plus, the latest on the investigation into january 6th.
another witness announced for tomorrow's primetime hearing. and new reporting on how donald trump had the secret service scrambling on the day of the attack. plus, we've got the top headlines from last night's midterm election primaries that may serve as a warning to democrats. ♪♪ good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this wednesday, june 8th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us. senators had hoped to reach a bipartisan deal on gun safety by the end of this week, but nbc news has learned that that timetable may slip. perhaps into next week. senators have hit a snag on how to expand background checks. two people close to the talks tell nbc news at issue is whether to add waiting periods for 18 to 21-year-olds and to enable the fbi to conduct background checks on their
juvenile records. a spokesman for republican senator john cornyn of texas said he is not considering waiting periods but does support the provision on the juvenile records. democrats, however, want to go bigger. yesterday pat toomey of pennsylvania said he doesn't believe the compromise on background checks he reached with democratic senator joe manchin after sandy hook will make the current deal. that proposal expanded background checks to include purchases from gun shows and those made online. other provisions that are not being discussed an assaults weapon ban, raising the buying age of assault weapons 18 to 21 or adding restrictions on capacity magazines. the mental health portion of the bill has already been drafted. and yet senator chris murphy of connecticut, a democrat, met with president biden at the white house to give him an update on negotiations.
we've got another interesting element to add here. as we mentioned a provision that would raise the age to buy semiautomatic rifles is not being discussed by the senate group but sources tell nbc news that senate minority leader mitch mcconnell has privately expressed an openness to the idea. many republican senators will not say if they support this provision. so far, senator susan collins of maine and mitt romney of utah are the only ones who have. on capitol hill recently, several republican lawmakers have defended the current accessibility of assault-style weapons. senate john thune was asked yesterday why someone would need an ar-15. here is what he had to say along with some other republicans who weighed in on this issue. >> they are a sporting rifle. and it's something that a lot of people for purposes of going out, target shooting, in my state they use them to shoot prairie dogs and other types of
varmentes so i think there are legitimate reasons why people would want to have them. >> i'm representing my constituents. in rural colorado, an ar-15 is a gun of choice for killing raccoons before they get to our chickens. it is a gun of choice for killing a fox. >> do you think that there is any room to ban assault weapons in this country? why does someone need an ar-15. >> well, if you talk to the people that own it, killing ferrell pigs in whatever the middle of louisiana, they wonder why would you take it away from me? i'm law-abiding. i never done anything. use it to kill ferrell pigs. the action of a criminal deprives me of my right. >> prairie dogs, raccoons, ferrell pigs, all small animals probably don't need assault weapons to kill them. uvalde native, matthew mcconaughey, the actor made an emotional plea for gun legislation yesterday at the white house. he met with lawmakers and president biden and then joined the white house press briefing
where he shared powerful stories about the victims killed just over two weeks ago. >> just a week prior, ryan got full-time line job, stringing power lines from pole to pole. and everyday since landing that well-paying full-time job he reminded his daughter, he said, girl, daddy going to spoil you now. told her every single night. he said, daddy is going to take you to sea world one day. but he didn't get to spoil his daughter. alethia, she does not get to go to sea world. wore green high top converse with a heart she had hand drawn on the right toe because they represented her love of nature. camilla has these shoes.
can you show these shoes, please. wore these everyday. green converse with a heart on the right toe. these are the same green converse on her feet that turned out to be the only clear evidence that could identify her after the shooting. how about that. we need responsible gun ownership. responsible gun ownership. we need background checks. we need to raise the minimum age to purchase an ar-15 rifle to 21. we need a waiting period for those rifles. we need red flag laws and consequences for those who abuse them. these are reasonable, practical, tactical regulations to our nation, states, community, schools and homes. responsible gun owners are fed up with the second amendment being abused and hijacked by some deranged individuals.
these regulations are not a step back. they're a step forward for a civil society and and the second amendment. >> mcconaughey deserves credit for using a celebrity in spotlight on this. today a girl who survived the shooting at robb elementary will share her story with the house oversight committee. she smeared herself with her best friend's blood and played dead in order to survive the shooting. the girl's family says she is struggling with the trauma and continues to have nightmares. turning now overseas and the war in ukraine. new details emerging about the ukrainian fighters at the mariupol steel plant who surrendered in may. more than 1,000 soldiers have been transferred to russia for investigation. the agency also reports that more than 100 of those fighters may be in moscow right now. and many more are expected to be deported in the near future.
meanwhile, kyiv says it's working to secure the release of all these prisoners. according to the russian defense ministry, more than 2,000 ukrainian fighters laid down their arms in mariupol. at the time, some russian lawmakers said the surrendered soldiers should face war crime trials. nbc news got an exclusive opportunity to speak to the mother of one of the soldiers who surrendered at that steel plant in mariupol. in an emotional interview, she describes how, quote, incredibly brave her son is. she also says that she's concerned about him being tortured while in russian captivity she is receiving very little information about him. here is a part of that interview. take a listen. >> we have no official information. just in a strange situation when we can't be sure in what we must do because some of us we are beginning to cry on the world and to ask for any kind of help
because i think we really need it. we don't know how do they feel in this prison. we don't know where they are exactly because all the information we have is very different. >> joining us now live from odesa, ukraine, is nbc news correspondent ellison barber. thank you for being with us. reports this morning the fights have intensified in eastern ukraine, russians continue to make progress. what's the latest you heard on the situation there. >> reporter: yeah, so the minister of defense for russia, he is claiming that russian forces now control 97% of luhansk, one of two provinces that make up the donbas region. the governor of luhansk is saying that ukrainian forces have no intention of abandoning that city. he says even if they need to back out of the city to take a more defensive or fortified position, that they still will
continue fighting. he is adamant they will not abandon the city. zelenskyy said a launching a counterattack from outside the city would be incredibly costly for ukrainian forces. meanwhile, an adviser to zelenskyy telling the guardian they need more weapons. he said they need some 60 rocket launch systems in order to have a chance at defeating russians. remember, the weapon systems that the u.s. is sending, some of them like the high-tech medium range systems, those didn't immediately come to ukrainian forces the second biden signed that aid package. those take time, training. there was a three-week period of training that would be necessary for that particular system. and a question when it was first signed was could those systems get to ukrainian forces on the east quickly enough for it to have an impact. and now the question, jonathan, seems to be do ukrainian forces have enough weapons from the west? jonathan. >> ukraine officials warning that russia is trying to take advantage of that three or so week lag in order to push
forward their advance in the donbas. ellison, you have been speaking to people in odesa. give us a sense of what you've been hearing. >> reporter: yeah. i want to show you some of where we are, this market is full of art, great art at any time. it captures all of life, all of the things people can't say between brush strokes, between musical notes and that's true of ukrainian art. we were able to sit down with one of the most famous painters from odesa. he talked about his latest project calling it world war 2022. he told us ukrainian art has evolved since the full scale war began in february. and that now ukrainian art talks about death in a way that it never did before. interview, which you'll hear some in our conversation, it ended a little quicker than we expected because air raid sirens went off throughout the city, reminder of the threat that every person lives underodesa.
>> you should be ashamed of being happy in the situation. >> translator: i cannot do this large oil paintings anymore. which is why i just do these sketches. it takes little time. >> reporter: the other day we met a woman in the market here. i can't stop thinking about two things she kept repeating in her conversation. she said again and again, they took everything from us and they are taking the best and smartest of our children. how do you plan for a future when you are just trying to survive the day? yesterday 160 dead soldiers from that azov steel plant were returned to ukraine. ukraine reportedly returned 160 dead russian soldiers as well. jonathan? >> nbc's ellison barber, thank you for the emotional reporting. please stay safe. still ahead, new reporting
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offenders sent to prison and promised to hold police officers accountable accountable. those in the city blame him for rising crime rates. progressive congresswoman karen bass is headed to a runoff with a republican turned democrat, a billionaire named rick caruso. neither candidate in the very high profile race was able to win more than 50% of the vote. incumbent governor gavin newsom and senator alex padilla both easily won their primary races. people in the united states may soon have a fourth covid-19 vaccine option. an independent group of advisers to the fda yesterday voted in favor of authorizing novavax vaccine for people 18 and older. next the fda will decide whether to authorize the shot for emergency use. the novavax vaccine is the first protein based shot made available in the u.s. which is in line with many long standing vaccines including those for hepatitis b and shingles.
the vaccine already been approved for use across europe, australia and parts of asia and has the authorization of the world health organization. elsewhere, u.s. gas prices are now closing in on $5 a gallon and little relief is in sight. despite those high costs, demand remains unchanged, for now. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has more. >> reporter: with the u.s. in overdrive and likely just days away from topping a national average of $5 a gallon, gas prices in several states are now spiking upwards of 10 cents a day. >> i just think we're getting ripped off. >> reporter: with the west coast by far paying the most, the pinch at the pump is hitting families like hector alvarez hard. in los angeles, many are dishing out $7 a gallon, alvarez supports a family of seven is juggling skyrocketing housing
prices, staggering inflation and now record fuel costs. >> we have to, you know, really think about how far we can travel or where we can go. >> reporter: with a recent poll showing americans cutting back on eating out, making impulse purchases and driving, the u.s. is poised to officially hit $5 a gallon as early as thursday, according to aaa, 75% of commuters say that's the benchmark where they'll put the brakes on driving. that's what happened in 2008 when the national average hit 4.11 or roughly 5.40 a gallon today with inflation. >> the consumer is in a different position than they were in 2008. as we get around that 5.20, 5.30 national average, we might see some change in consumer behavior. >> reporter: but as pent-up pandemic demand pumps up prices for now, there's also been a surge for electric vehicles. take a 310 mile road trip from l.a. to the bay area. a gas guzzling sedan will set
you back nearly $250. the same trip in an ev, just 43 bucks after three supercharges. >> feel badly for people who are not able to get an electric car right now and are stuck paying those prices. >> for most americans, though, electric is still out of reach. and soon the price at the pump may also be. miguel almaguer with that report. still ahead in sports, tampa bay's pursuit of a stanley cup three-peat is looking a lot better. out west the meltdown continues for the los angeles angels despite a major move by the organization. plus, tiger woods makes decision on playing in golf's next major tournament. all that ahead when "way too early" comes right back. y" come.
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meanwhile are now set for new ownership. the team announcing late last night it has entered into a sale agreement with an ownership led by the waltens. the heirs to the walmart fortune and also america's richest family. the reported $4.65 billion price tag marks the most expensive deal for a sports franchise anywhere in the world. testament again to the nfl's popularity. turning now to major league baseball, the los angeles angels free fall in the standings cost manager joe madden his job. madden won a world series with the cubs back in 2016, mixed success with the angels. his firing coming on the heels of a 12-game losing streak. the team then announced that third base coach will serve as interim manager for the rest of the season, but swapping out the skipper did not change the angel's fortunes last night in anaheim against the red sox. angels fell to a 13th straight loss. for boston, bobby, the 6-5 win
in ten innings marked the team's sixth victory in a row. meanwhile, bad news here, folks. the new york yankees the first major league team to 40 wins this season following another night of dominant pitching, big swings they beat the twins in minnesota, 10-4. i'm pretty sure the minnesota twins last beat the yankees in a game in april of 1972. in houston w a season high 12 strikeouts in seven innings of work on the mound against the seattle mariners, astros' ace justin verlander moved past the mets max scherzer as the career league strikeout leader and now in to 17th place all time just ahead of john smoltz. now to golf, tiger woods will not compete in next week's u.s. open championship. woods explained his withdrawal on social media yesterday. writing that his body needs more time to get stronger for mayor
championship golf. with hopes to be back on the lings at the british open being held next month. woods made a surprise return at the masters in april, just 14 months after sustaining injuries in a life threatening car crash outside los angeles. he faired surprisingly well there. he went on to play in the pga championship last month. he had to withdraw after the third round. players who compete in this week's inaugural tournament for saudi funded golf league trying to rival the pga will not be penalized, at least not yet. all eligible players including phil mickelson are welcome to play at the u.s. open. the rollout for that saudi league less than smooth so far. time now for the weather. and let's go to meteorologist michelle grossman for the forecast. good morning, michelle. how is it looking? >> good morning. it's looking soggy and foggy for
many of us. new england, the northeast we're seeing that wet weather to start out your wednesday. and we're going to see the threat for severe weather as we go throughout the day here. we're looking at severe weather through the central and southern plains where you see this yellow shading, that's your best chance for some severe weather. winds gusting to 16 miles per hour, could see some hail an inch or larger and few tornadoes. chance for flash flooding as well once again where you see the darker shading we could see flash flooding. dangerous heat, it's a big story, a big story over the next few days, 27 million people affected by a heat alert. we're looking at temperatures into the 100s. so 102 in abilene today. 104 in del ray. tomorrow same story. we're looking at the upper 90s in parts of texas. 106 in tucson. look at what happens by the weekend, jonathan, we're looking at temperatures near 115 in phoenix by this weekend. >> 115 in phoenix. >> that's a pool day. >> yeah, it is.
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as the house select committee investigating january 6th gets set to hold its first public primetime hearing tomorrow night, we're learning new information about the former president's actions that day. according to "the washington post," for two weeks before his january 6th rally at the ellipse, donald trump pressured the secret service to devise a plan for him to join his supporters on a march after the speech to the capitol. the agency rebuffed that request but then scrambled to accommodate him the day of the rally when agents heard him suggest to his supporters he would indeed join them on that march. according to the post, witnesses told the january 6th committee that, immediately after trump made that remark, secret service reached out to d.c. police about blocking intersections to set up a motorcade route. police officials declined because they were already stretched so thin that morning monitoring numerous protests and the growing mob at the capitol. the january 6th select committee is confirming a new witness it
will call during the primetime hearing tomorrow night. u.s. capitol police officer caroline edwards. thought to be the first law enforcement injured during the insurrection. she suffered a traumatic brain injury during the riot. listen here as she recalls her own experience to garrett headache. >> i could sense immediately something was off. and you know, then they approached our line. they injured me and a couple of officers by tearing down, you know, our barricade. and then the fight on the west front began. >> what is it for you that sticks in your head? >> the screaming. when somebody shows me footage of the 6th, i have to have them turn off the sound because that sound, that screaming, that just constant -- i can't hear it. it takes me back to a very bad
place. >> documentary film maker nick quest was confirmed earlier this week to also testify. he and his crew were at the capitol on the 6th and recorded the riot from its beginning. joining us now congressional reporter at politico nicholas wu covering this day in and day out doing terrific work. you have new reporting on notable people who will attend the hearing tomorrow night. who is going to be there? >> so, in addition to these witnesses you're going to have some special guests in the audience. there's going to be the widows of several of the officers who died in the aftermath of the attack. both had husbands were officers died by suicide in the aftermath of the riot. in addition, several of the officers, the higher profile officers who previously testified to the committee, harry dunn, daniel hodges and
michael fanone might also be in the audience. they have taken a high profile role in the aftermath of the attack and you might remember they were witnesses last july before the select committee. >> certainly the committee looking to make a real statement tomorrow night. feel like they'll have the nation's attention really want to drive forth their narrative as to what happened on the 6th but also how to prevent something like this happening again. there's another side, republicans, only kinzinger and cheney participating on the committee. how do the gop members on the hill plan to respond to what the nation is going to hear in these hearings? >> the gop is in an interesting bind so to speak in how they respond to this mostly because they lack very little visibility into how this panel is going to lay out its findings and its investigation. cheney and kinzinger are no fans at all of the national gop. so they're not really providing
that much intel. so result, what we're hearing so far and seeing from other members of the republican party in some ways has either been very reactive, seizing on very specific parts of the investigation or just kind of trying to preemptively spin things a certain way. for example, jim jordan who you might recall is also a target of the select committee's investigation released an op-ed yesterday in the federalist talking about how this was kind of a power play by the committee in trying to rebut some of the arguments that the panel put forward. but without the visibility they would otherwise have in the panel's internal workings, most of this is almost firing in the dark. >> nicholas wu, as these hearings ramp up, i'm certain we'll speak to again soon. we'll check in with cnbc for the latest business news. the futures board is in the red after two days of gains on wall
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we saw target in particular selloff as they delivered disappointing guidance for the market. overall it was a positive session. in terms of today's trade, u.s. futures are pointing to a weaker start to the trading day. some bad news out of europe potentially weighing on sentiment. we got a profit warning from credit swiss. that's a sector to keep an eye on for the u.s. market open. overall they're waiting for the end of the week. >> we'll certainly be watching that. yesterday not great here. the world bank slashed its global growth forecast and warned that many countries could fall into recession. tell us more about their warning. >> so the world bank joined a chorus in downgrading. now sees 2.9% gdp growth this year down from 4.1% anticipated back in january. so pretty steep cut to their forecast. the group is warning that
russia's invasion of ukraine is exacerbating the damage from the pandemic. the president of the world bank said the war in ukraine, lockdowns in china, supply chain disruptions and the risk of stagflation are hammering growth. and for many countries recession will be hard to avoid. so pretty stark warning, john. >> stark indeed. lastly, you mentioned target. they had an announcement they're slashing prices even more than anticipated as the year moves forward. but there's a reason behind this. tell us about it. >> so target is essentially saying we're going to cut prices so we can clear unwanted inventory so that we can restock our stores with back to school supplies and groceries, things that people want to buy. now, all of these actions are as target attempts to combat surging inflation, supply chain pressures. but target said this isn't going to be without cost. they're now anticipating operating margins of 2% for q2,
that's lower than the outlook the company gave just three weeks ago. so, pretty notable from target. we saw shares react badly on the back of it. clothing down 2.4%. but target tried to reassure investors saying the second half of the year should see healthier s.e.a.l.s growth and margins. >> all right, cnbc's julianna tatelbaum, thank you as always. coming up, we'll have a preview of president biden's high stakes trip out west for the summit of the americas and why several leaders won't be there. we'll be right back. there. we'll be right back.
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president biden heads to los angeles today for the summit of the americas. the first time the united states has hosted the event since 1994. the president plans to announce a new partnership centered on helping nations in north and south america recover from the pandemic and address longer term economic challenges.
but there are several notable absences in los angeles. mexico's president confirmed this week he would not attend after the u.s. announced that cuba, nicaragua and venezuela were not coming to the summit. guatemala are boycotting the event. real concerns raised about the effectiveness of a summit on migration without those countries participating. joining us now white house reporter for the associated press chris traveling with the president later today. chris, good to see you. let's get right to it. migration is not the only topic for the summit but certainly a big one. how is president biden going to put forth a plan for the region without the presidents of mexico and these other leaders even going to be there? >> so that's going to be very challenging. and it's going to be an open question how much buy-in he's going to have from the region for his plans. the administration says that
there are plans of migration going forward no matter who shows up, that they're working with the governments the foreign ministers, even the presidents themselves aren't there. but the same time, it really undermines the launch of this new initiative to curb migration in the region. >> it's more than migration, there's an economic plan they're trying to out the the president will propose it. give us a tense, if you will, the larger message that this is sending from mexico city, from these other leaders as to what they think right now of the united states' influence in the region. >> to step back for a second, the summit of americas has been held to knit together the region, have more free trade, more partnerships. what you're seeing now is sort of a fracturing i would say. you're seeing china's growing influence in the region. you're seeing the u.s. struggling to just get leaders to show up for an event.
so, it's harder to get people on the same page on things as basic as should we prioritize democracies at the summit, which is something that a consensus had been reached on in previous years. so, you're seeing limitations to how much the u.s. can pull people together in the region and sort of an open question on what role the summit is going to play this year and the years to come. >> and there's also just so much on the president's plate right now. issues at home like global inflation, rising fuel prices as well as, of course, trying to manage the alliance in the war in europe. so i know some leaders in the region felt like, hey, we feel like an afterthought here. chris, lastly and briefly, tell is the president going to meet the president of brazil who had anti-democratic tendencies and refused to say he'll concede if he loses this year's election. >> yes. this is a core tension of the summit. we're expecting the meeting to happen on thursday. however, you know, if democracy
is a core part of biden's objectives in the region, it could be difficult for him not to warn bolsonaro about his attacks on democracy in brazil. so we're going to be watching carefully to see what he says there. >> all right. heading to california with the president, a.p. chris megarian. travel safe. what to watch in next's primetime hearing before the january 6th committee. coming up on "morning joe" senators hit a snag in talks for new gun safety legislation. we'll have the latest from the negotiations on capitol hill. plus, we're going to hear live from the chair of the house oversight committee ahead of this morning's committee on the urgent need to address the gun violence epidemic. ahead on "mj" primary election results from seven states and a live report from san francisco where the city voted to recall its district attorney. "morning show" a few moments away. "way too early" will be right back. away
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joining us now with a look at axios a.m., congressional reporter for axios alayna treene. what is the one big thing for this morning? >> good morning, jonathan. great to be here with you. and our one big thing is taking a look at really a preview of the first of several meticulously crafted hearings by the january 6th committee, which start tomorrow night in primetime. and i'm told these watergate-style hearings produced by james goldstin, the former president of abc, they have a star documentaryand producer behind the scenes working this, but it's going to be a mix and a blend really of elements from the first two trump impeachment hearings a couple years ago. we'll see haunting video footage from some of the witnesses tomorrow that will be from nick quest who embedded with the proud boys on the day of the
january 6th attack as well as in the leadup to the insurrection. and then also we'll hear some public speeches of course from members of congress and members on the panel really pleading with the american public to not allow this to happen again, to not have another january 6th in the history books. and then the witness testimony, which they really chosen or tried to choose the most compelling people to paint a picture of what happened on that day as well as try to tie and connect the former president himself as well as his allies and officials who worked with him in the trump administration to the events and the lead-up to the january 6th attack. >> the committee playing this close to the vest. but they have been candid about the fact they need to tell a story, a compelling narrative. axios has a reporting about a divide among the committee. tell us about that.
>> there is. the immediate goal for the committee is to try and sway public opinion, which is going to be very difficult at this stage, particularly when a lot of americans are preoccupied with inflation, the economy, gas prices and the pandemic. but the real and almost more important goal is what they do legislatively and that's really where this big divide on the committee is. we're told it's particularly between jamie raskin, the democrat who was the lead impeachment manager for the second trump impeachment trial and liz cheney. and there's really disagreement over what legislation should look like, how far should they go in trying to change whether the electoral college, electoral reform rules. anything that would really have an impact beyond just these public hearings and trying to sway public opinion. >> talk about the two ends of pennsylvania avenue there. the democratic congressional
leadership and the white house. what do they each hope to see achieved at these hearings? >> there are different goals. i spoke with some white house officials this week and yesterday and the biden white house is really trying to stay out of this as much as possible. they see this as congress's fight and they really want congress and those on capitol hill to drive the messaging. there's also a concern about overly politicizing what's supposed to be a bipartisan and independent investigation as well as being seen as potentially politicizing the justice department and of course there were concerns of that in the trump era. but, also concerns that that could potentially impact any decision that's made by attorney general merrick garland if he does ultimately decide to try and take action and criminally prosecute any of these officials. it will be really difficult if the white house gets involved or if the president is seen as weighing in on this and it could potentially give the former
president and his allies an opening to attack the biden administration and really limit the credibility of what they're able to do. so they're really trying to stay hands off. but i'm also told if biden does weigh in, it will be at a key and pivotal moment similar to the speech he delivered on the one-year anniversary of january 6th. it was really a powerful and emotional speech that he delivered. that would be the benchmark for any weighing in by the white house, they said. >> yeah. biden, of course, made promise of his campaign they need to preserve democracy. outside of the january 6th speech he hasn'tt on directly. white house aides tell me as well they're saving it for a big moment. so we might indeed hear from him later this week. we should underscore before we go the original plan was bipartisan 9/11 style committee. republicans in the senate scuttled that. only bipartisan because representatives cheney and kinzinger decided to pak part.
we will have, of course, complete coverage here on msnbc and "way too early." thank you for the great reporting this morning. we'll talk to you again soon. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. people are hurting. families are. parents are. look, as divided as our country is, this gun responsibility issue is one that we agree on more than we don't. it really is. uvalde, texas, native and actor matthew mcconaughey adds some star power and passion to the push for new gun restrictions in an emotional plea from the white house. we're going to hear much more from the actor. and we'll tell you where bipartisan talks stand this morning. plus, the latest on the investigation into january 6th. another witness is announced f