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what would that even look like? and 23 years since the massacre at columbine. the former principal joins me to talk about his efforts to help communities heal after unthinkable horror. that's as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle. tonight there are new questions about what happened inside that texas elementary school, were 19 young children and two teachers were killed on tuesday. nbc news reporting that texas investigators now say that victims of the shooting were found in four separate classrooms. meanwhile, details are emerging about the police response and the specific timeline of the attack. tom llamas has more on that timeline. >> authorities say the gunman crashed his grandmother's truck at 11:28 am. witnesses reported seeing carrying a long gun and a bag. he fired at two people outside a funeral home while before
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heading to the elementary school. at 11:30 am the first 9-1-1 call came in. this video shows the gunman, dressed in black long gun in hand, entering the school ten minutes later at 11:40 am. police say that the doors appeared to be locked. as for whether or not anyone tried to stop him from entering, yesterday director of the texas department of public safety said this. >> there was a brave -- resource of a certain person, that approached and engaged him at that time. then gunfire was not exchanged. >> but today the department told me this. was there a school officer on campus and was that school officer armed? because that is what we have been told. >> no. no. there was not an officer ready and available. >> four minutes after the shooter entered, local police arrived at 11:44 am.
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the officers were treated after fire and called for reinforcements. >> we needed body armor. we need assistant riflemen and negotiators. they were also evacuating personnel and students and teachers. >> a tactical team arrived at 12:47 pm. >> tactical teams arrive. with orders his shoot and kill the suspect. >> police acknowledge that the shooter was in a classroom for an hour before they were able to take him out. video taken after the shooting rampage shows loved ones being restrained outside the school. unable to get to the children, they begged officers they are to charge in. >> our thanks to tom llamas for that report. today, the uvalde texas police department issued a statement saying this -- it's important for the community to know that our officers responded within minutes.
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the president and first lady plan to visit you fall day on sunday. today was supposed to be the last day of school before summer vacation. instead, families there are preparing for funerals. those students who did survive are left with the memory of that horrible day that changed their lives forever. >> i heard shoot, shoot, the shooter trying to shoot at an officer. they went past the direction, went back inside. >> what were you thinking as you were hiding in that bathroom for so long? >> i think i was just trying to be still. and not move at all. i was just crying in my hands. trying to not make noise. >> let's bring in my good friend and partner ali velshi, live in uvalde and our msnbc c correspondent, ken delaney and. he covers national security and intelligence.
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hearing from that nine year old girl is brutal. ali, people and eovaldi, tell us, they are obviously searching for answers there. how are they reacting to the law enforcement response? >> look, imagine this -- many cases see the families not getting the bodies of their children because the process here -- this is a small town of 16,000 people. they called in a medical examiner. they do not have their own medical examiner or coroner. they called in one from san antonio, about -- away. it's been a long time to get to this. and they are trying to get closure. there are no chances of closure before there are burials. then, this confusion coming from the police is adding to it. we don't know with the story was a no one is disparaging the bravery of the police who were involved and went into a tough situation. but the changing messages and confusion have been very hard on people. there is a memorial behind me. you can see it up there. it has the crosses. you and i talked about last
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night. this is the front page of the newspaper. just the date, may 24th, 2022. a black paper. but think about this, stephanie. it's not just the parents who lost their own children. it's the idea that this is a tiny community. everyone knew someone here. and last night, you and i were talking about one of the two teachers who died. her husband, today, went and laid flowers at the memorial and went home to his family and died. he collapsed and died. we believe it is a heart attack and around here a lot of people are saying it is heartbreak. the community is broken. and in a little community like this -- you and i have covered shootings before -- but in larger cities it's easier to recover, there are so many other things. but i interviewed people who went to the school. i interviewed a man whose father planted the pecan tree there on the lawn. it is hard to see how this plays recovers overtime because it is now on a list that it never wanted to be on. it is a difficult time, stephanie. the community has to come together by the levels of stress are increasing, not decreasing. >> people are grieving but they
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are confused. can, help us understand. because we learned tonight that the victims were found in more than one classroom. tell us what is known at this point. what did you make of the news conference? >> that news conference was astounding, stephanie, now it only because the texas department of public safety substantially revised its account two days after the shooting -- including contradictory things at the head of that agency saying at a news conference, sitting next to the governor of the state. but the person -- the deputy regional director -- then failed to answer key, substantial questions. we are 48 hours after the incident at this point. the biggest one, really, stephanie, is why there was an hour delay. when this shooter made entry into the school, unimpeded we now understand, you've all the police officers did russian. and they were fired on by the shooter who had a weapon of war, an ar-15.
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and a couple of them were wounded and then they were treated. understandably so. so, they were following the doctrine of mass shootings that developed after columbine which is, you do not wait for the swat team. you russian and try to limit the shooter of. because most victims are killed at the very beginning in that shootings. most do not last longer than 12 minutes. so, they did that. but then they were repelled. and then, for reasons we do not really understand, they waited for 60 minutes until a federal border patrol lead tactical team came in and finally took the initiative. let's not understate the bravery involved in that action. there were local police in that two. they created that stack. one person led the way with a ballistic shield. and that person was shot in the scalp, we understand. and they then breached the classroom and shot the shooter and put 15 bullets in him. julia ainsley, my colleague, reported that. that was an hour later. and there are real questions
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about some of the children who were wounded, whether they could have been saved had the police gone in earlier. it just violated the doctrine of what police are supposed to do after a mass shooting. it is really inexplicable. there is a swat team in the uvalde police force and it is not clear why, whether they responded or if they did, why they did not get there before an hour. so, there are many painful questions here. this would have been horrible under the best of circumstances. but you have a texas police agency that does not appear to be giving straight answers. and then you have some real questions about the police response. >> we are just two days out. there are a lot more questions. we just have to be careful. we are not drawing any conclusions yet. there is a lot more we need to find out. ali, governor abbott is going to uvalde tomorrow. and let's be clear. because there are headlines that he is no longer going to the nra convention. but that's not exactly true. he's not going in person. but he is not turning his back on the nra. he is making them a prerecorded
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video that will be played on the big old jumbotron. so, what is the community saying about the governor coming in the states response? >> yep. well, look -- texas is a complicated place when it comes to guns. even in this community, gonna ship is taken as a given. so, we do not have people who sort of are at extremes on this thing. but it is kind of interesting. because texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in the entire country that just got more liberal in march. and part of the issue here is that people are saying, what we are doing here is not really working. so, what is the way in which you preserve your second amendment rights but not do exactly what we are doing? there are incremental ways in which you can do this. showing up at an array conventions is not a place -- and. in columbine there was an nra convention. it about 15 minutes away,
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saying this one is going to be in houston. and getting them to disavow support for the nra, that is not going to happen anytime soon. so, it remains controversial. it's not hard and fast in this community. this is not a place where people are saying, hey, let's have questions about who acquires guns. there are questions about whether red flags and other issues are once we should be considering. it's not a given what should be happening. but greg abbott and usually said he wasn't going. then that he was going. now he's not going but there are going to be a video response from him. >> he is not going in person but he is participating. ali velshi, stay safe. and get rest. thank you. can, we heard this earlier today from former fbi official frank -- >> the biggest thing that's contrary to training post columbine is that, clearly, the philosophy and policy is that you go in. and you go in with what you have.
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i remember that phrase, particularly being ingrained in our heads, post columbine. if that means that you, i local caught that showed up, and some sheriff's deputy who drove by, in the three of you are going in. >> now can, you just mentioned this, just a few moments ago. that protocol has changed. it is not, let's retreat and get back up, let's bring in a swat team. something happens and you charge. frank is obviously saying that they did not follow the latest protocol. how are other law enforcement veterans reacting to this? >> they are aghast. they have questions. because let's leave open the possibility that there was a good reason. one factor here is that they were hard indoors on the classrooms. ironically, they were designed to keep out mass shooters. but he locked himself in and they did not have a key for a while. that may have impede the police response. but that does not answer the
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whole question. those videos have parents exhorting the police to go in and other counts we have seen, that is just agonizing and infuriating to law enforcement officials that i have talked to. because it is absolutely the case that they are all trained to go in and do what you can do with the weapons that you have. but at the same time, we have set up a system where we are asking the police officers with handguns to rush into rifle because it is absolutely the case that they are all trained to go in and do what you can do with the weapons that you have. but at the same time, we have set up a system where we are asking the police officers with handguns to rush into rifle fire from weapons of war. and that is not really fair to them, stephanie. we should point out. >> it certainly isn't. and thank you for your reporting, ken dilanian. i know it is not easy. i want to bring in texas state senator roland gutierrez, his district includes you've all day. you and i talked just a couple of nights ago, hours after the shooting. here we are again. would have the last two days been like for you? how are you tonight? >> you know, stephanie -- i guess how i feel doesn't really matter. my constituents are hurting. i went by one of the victims fathers today, saw him outside of his house. and he is just in shock. he does not want to talk to his senator or a reporter.
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he does not want to talk to anybody. families are in shock and destroyed. if you are a parent, you understand. if you are a rational human being, you understand it. i will tell you what one person did tell me. they don't want their children 's death to be in vain. they want to see change. we must create change. >> do you think that texans want change? just think about this. you have had, what is it? you've had 13 mass shootings over the last several years. and in response, what has the state of texas done? they've gotten looser gun laws. >> i have a lot of republican constituents who elect me as well. at the end of the day, i am a hunter team and many of them don't either. at the end of the day, these are militarized weapons. if you talk to hunters in texas, they will tell you they want common sense restrictions. and how an 18 year old was able to access militarized weapons
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is just shocking. but that has been the law in texas for so many years. that must change and we can have that change, if greg abbott has the will to bring us back into the legislature and get that done. red flag laws can happen tomorrow if they simply have the fortitude to do what is right. waiting periods can happen if they simply have the fortitude. >> i made a mistake, it was eight shootings over the last 13. years well, the governor is coming tomorrow. when he speaks with constituents, when he speaks with families, do you think he'll be telling them this? >> i know that i was told this. and, i have been advocating for gun comment sense gun laws for years in the texas legislature. in 2019, i like the bill that did not even get up to the committee. at the end of the day, the people elect us to bring solutions to problems. this is a significant problem. there's the evidence of the
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problem, right behind us. these are the things that we are dealing with here. and, these people are hurting. and, for anybody that's against this, they need to put themselves in the place of these people. they need to understand that these folks took the kids to school and they are never, ever going to see them again. >> what is your reaction on how officials are handling the investigation, the timeline? it seems confusing to people sitting in my seat. but, you are right there. >> i've talked to dps officials, i have asked them for speed, about them for a little bit more transparency, a little bit of faster reporting on this. it's my hope that we'll have something more tomorrow and not saturday. at the end of the day, i get, it i get that this is an ongoing investigation. a lot of great people here. including those officers that went in. it does appear that some protocols might have been violated. but i am not a professional. i mean, at the end of the day, we will let people -- we will let these facts come out. >> we certainly well, what have
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parents told you though? i mean, we've seen people of parents that were on the scene begging to go inside. what are they telling you about that? >> a lot of people are upset. and, as this last press conference came out earlier today from dps, a lot of people are upset about the ambiguities, the confusion, the lack of response. and, so i have impressed upon my colleagues here and the folks are dps to make sure that they have transparency, quickness so that we get the information as quickly out as possible. to people, because these folks deserve to know if there was a failure. it is not going to bring their children back. not at all. and i don't blame anybody for what's happened here. but, we have to know how to do things right should this ever happen again. who i do blame, is the policy makers that are in charge of the state. the republican house controlled,
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the republican controlled senate, the governor -- at the end of the day, people are demanding change whether you, greg abbott, are going to change the laws and how some common sense gun solutions for all texans? militarized weapons have no place in our schools or anywhere in our community. >> well, he's making his way to uvalde tomorrow. perhaps we'll hear the very message. state senator roland gutierrez, thank you so much for joining us tonight. coming up, new reporting on the possible, and i say this in quotes, bipartisan action on gun control, we'll ask our friend michael steele the chances of anything getting passed the divided senate. then, later, we'll talk to the former principal of columbine high school. his message to other schools dealing with mass shootings and what he's doing to make school safer. the 11th hour just getting underway on a thursday night.
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18. why do you need to be able to buy an assault rifle? >> you know, i think part of the conversation, we have to be unified. this country is not unified. i want to go back to my original question, why does an 18 year old in texas need to be able to buy an assault rifle? >> the reality is that this isn't a new topic. there's been a lot of legislation that's been out there. >> you haven't answered my question though. why does an 18 year old need an ar-15 in the state of texas? >> so, this is a legislative process works. it's congress determines the law. right now, we have a congress that will talk to one another. there's so much rhetoric and heat. >> so, start talking or answering garrett haake's important question. that question dodged three times by you've all these member of congress. that was tony gonzales. their meanwhile, minority leader, mitch mcconnell, got the headline he was looking for. he said he encouraged senator john cornyn tois bipartisan action with democrats.
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but nbc news points out this. quote, asked if the legislative solution that republicans would welcome involves red flag laws, background checks or mental health access. mcconnell declined to offer any specifics. he only said that the goal is to come up with the proposal, if possible, that's crafted to meet this particular problem. let's discuss. i want to bring in lisa falkenberg, editor of the houston chronicle, and michael steele, former publican of the national committee and former lieutenant governor of maryland. michael, of the three of us, you know mitch mcconnell the best. so i turn to you. as i said, he got the headline he wanted. there are discussions are getting something done on a bipartisan basis. do you buy that? because that's talk on the same day that senate republicans blocked a domestic terrorism bill. >> yeah, no. i don't. it is a way of sort of deflecting some of the heat. so, now, the members have a talking point.
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we are working on bipartisan legislation. we are looking at ways to address this issue. it is taking that clip that you came into the segment with and just sort of exponential lies-ing it. it just sort of giving it a better frame in a better, you know, deflection point. it is not -- no one's putting anything serious on the table even though there are serious substance and policy decisions that they could put on the table. mcconnell could very easily have said in answering the question, will it background checks, red flags. he could've recently said it would include all of. that we are looking at all of that. but he didn't. and that was a tell. >> so why are democrats even wasting their time talking to him? why not take something to the vote, to a vote, show america on the floor all of these americans that don't want to keep america safe? why don't they just move on? >> i think they should. and, you actually are raising a very important point not to
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lose sight on. because guess what happens now that mcconnell sort of made this move, is that it freezes everything. so, now, schumer sitting there, going well, he's saying that he's going to talk to us about legislation, we are going on a break for ten days for memorial day and then, oh, and then the summer recess for 4th of july. and, all the steps that schumer could've taken to put legislation on the table that would've backed republicans into the corner on these individual items doesn't have been. because they are talking to democrats about legislation. we have seen this movie 1000 times. mcconnell is acutely adept at playing this particular game this way. it's still stunts me that senate democrats have been bigger this issue up by now. >> he is going to run the clock and wait for us to get back and talk about gas prices and the price of eggs at the grocery
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store. you know, who's not eating eggs, those 19 children that were murdered two days ago. >> lisa, your paper's editorial headline reads this, abbott says, never again after you've all the school massacre. don't fall for texans. why? what do you know that we don't? >> that's right. well, after santa fe there were promises made. after all paso, there were promises made. i remember after santa fe, the governor was actually open to red flag laws, he held task force that got together. he invited group texas gun sense that does favor sensible gun reform. and, the leader of that group was sitting right next to abbott and said that he seems very engaged and he really understood the problems. and he really wanted to address them. a year or so later, when the legislature really needed the
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governors help in leadership it was nowhere to be found. and, the leader of the group, as he said, had backed away from everything that he thought he was going to do. so, we've seen this before. i guess what i am hoping -- you know, texans are very angry right now. and saw my. so is my editorial board. but, we cannot despair. we have to cling to some kind of hope that when john cornyn, for instance, says that he's not making a political point that he's -- that he really does care about these dead children. that there is something inside of him that actually does and actually wants to do something. >> whether he does or he doesn't -- >> -- >> take us to republican voters, because you know all sorts of them. and, many are not gun enthusiasts. i think about a whole lot of rich republicans who moved to
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texas in the last few years because they like the low texas. they are not into unlimited guns and no abortions. so, why does so many republicans just go for this? >> well, i think that you have to really be clear about who you are talking about. you are absolutely, right there is a very distinct difference between the republicans who was more concerned about other things that gun and you just referenced them. but then you have a group that is very much holden with the nra, very much funding to the political infrastructure of the party. that allows for cash and votes to flow. and that is how they leverage. both of those, a critical times. so, you see, as we were just discussing maneuvers that, you know, say that we care, we are concerned. but that is the runway approach. the runway of the law, by the time they get to the end of the runway. and you're ready for lift off, you burn all the fuel. the plane is not going anywhere.
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and, so, that for a lot of those republican, that's been a very effective tactic. that really kind of runs the plot. a lot of the legislation! other republicans that are in the party, that is not their thing. that is not with the fight over. they are looking at other narratives. and, even within the nra, which is very interesting, stephanie, you are finding more and more nra members that are just saying, i've had, it i'm done between the corruption inside the institution as a whole and this response to these tragedies. it will be a shame to see how that pressure builds inside that organization in a way that maybe changes some of that dynamic. but, right now, to the point that was just made, there is not a lot of hope in that regard. which is why the citizens have to turn the tables here. >> i don't, know michael. >> -- >> i will believe it when i see it. when i hear about people breaking away from the nra or
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that they want change -- okay, in theory, they say that. but an 18 year old can walk into a gun store tomorrow and by a semi automatic weapon. when rules and safety become priorities, then i will believe. it >> always good to see michael steele and lisa falkenberg -- coming, up the former principal of columbine on a message he gave to another school dealing with unimaginable tragedy. what he is doing now to make schools safer around the country. that's when the 11th hour continues. continues.
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as littleton, colorado wakes up to the full scope of this tragedy at columbine high school, after the deadly school shooting yesterday, investigators are now on the scene trying to clear what is still an active crime scene. investigators are inside the high school trying to clear all of the bombs and explosives left behind. in the meantime, the death toll now stands at 15 dead. that's the latest figures. >> at the time, columbine was by far the deadliest high school shooting in american history. in the 23 year since there have been many many more school shootings. and as those communities grieve, the surviving students and teachers tried to cope with their new normal. their school, and their hometown. it all becomes a household name for the worst possible reason. columbine, parkland, sandy hook
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and now rob elementary. we have now frank deangelis. former principal of columbine high school. he has made his life's work the recovery of similar schools from these tragedies. i know you reach out to the principle of robb elementary school. what did you say? >> i left a message. and i remember after columbine, the principal reaching out to me. and i did not even know what i needed. but i reached out and said, this please give me a call. and i am waiting to hear back. but there is another connection. i was involved with the santa fe shooting years ago. and i met with school board members, and it just helped them. deal with the aftermath of a horrific event. >> how do you do that? what is your work look like? i know you are part of a network of principles who have had matthew things at your schools. and you come in and -- i don't want to say troubleshoot -- but you offer some unique support.
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>> i was part of the national association of secondary school principals. and the director, greg buckles, he called me and said, fred, you can head up this committee. they are many of us who are administrators who have dealt with school shootings. and right now we are working on a recovery network guide to deal with the aftermath. and things dealing with graduation or dealing with the aftermath of things of this nature. we are out there. and what ends up happening usually, since columbine, almost every major shooting. and i've been to various places, i've been to parkland and sandy hook. i go and talk to the faculty and answer questions. i meet with parents. and i do a lot through zoom to help these people with the recovery process. >> people want answers. they are not happy with what
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they are getting from law enforcement and the response thus far. i know you experience something similar with columbine. what are these early days like? when people are in trauma and just want answers? >> it is very frustrating. i think what we ended up seeing early on is that -- and i see this all the time -- it's the five stages of grief. right now, it's denial. but now there is some anger taking place. unfortunately, wouldn't up happening is that the narrative comes out right away. things that we are still talking about 23 years later. it's things in a narrative that were not necessarily accurate. and i think right now, just being able to understand and want answers. -- i know in the state of colorado, we had a school shooting at arapahoe high school, and claire davis lost her life and appearance just wanted hice help and the clair davis rule was passed by legislators. they just want to know. they are entitled to know.
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>> that's a law preventing shootings. there have been all sorts of ideas thrown around. there always are after a shooting. what do you think about hardening schools? arming teachers? making it one entrance point? when i think to columbine, i remember looking at the sprawling campus. there could not have been one entrance. >> no. we had many. and it was very interesting -- we probably -- parents were concerned about the safety of the school. and i told parents, columbine was probably the safety school in the world after columbine. but what was interesting to me was that some students came in and they said mr. deangelis, we know you want to keep a safe but this is no longer like a school. we get more anxious through seeing all this extra security. there are ways to do things. but the thing about arming teachers -- i'm not a proponent of that. now, i need to preface that that there are some real communities where would take law enforcement time to get
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their. but i'm going to say this. i will use myself as an example. i could go through gun training and safety programs and things of that nature. but would i do not have is that mental state. when i encounter the gunman on april 20th and he pointed a gun at me and he's getting ready to shoot me -- if i was armed, i don't know if i could have shot that person because he was one of my students. and i would have tried to talk him down or reason with him. and having that mind mentality, that would put the girls in danger. when i talk to law enforcement people they say, basically, when we come in and see a perpetrator, we are going to stop the killing. i don't know that i could've done that because that was one of my students aiming the gun at me. but i am a strong proponent of school resource officers being in. i think, often what happens is that they get a bad rap. and when i go and talk to administrators and school officials, a lot of times i
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hear administrators say, well -- the cops and it gives a negative connotation to the police officers. the school resource officers we had at columbine were unreal as far as being developing relationships with the kids. they were trusted source for the kids. and it was very enhancing. the thing that we see with a lot of these events is that they are usually over within five minutes. it makes you wonder, if there was a school resource officer standing right there, that if the gunman would have walked into the school, knowing there is a good chance that he would not have survived. >> frank, you just made us a lot smarter on this tonight. imagine that -- a principal facing off against a student if they did have a weapon in their hand. could a fire at their own student? that's the world we are living in. frank deangelis, thanks for joining us tonight, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming, up it's difficult to fear and that is why we need to
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hear. and we have dr. vin gupta to explain why ar-15 saw weapons are especially lethal in mass shootings. that's when the 11th hour continues.
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handgun, which we captured in slow motion. the handgun bullet traveled about 800 miles an hour. it's sliced nearly straight all the way through the gel. >> this one is going to be a
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little bit later. >> now, look at the ar-15 around. >> see the difference? >> yes. >> it is three times faster. and struck with more than twice the force. the shock wave of the ar-15 bullet blasted a large cavity in the gel, unlike the bullet from the handgun. >> a powerful and much needed reminder of how lethal, ar style rifles are. as experts tell the houston chronicle, these particular weapons like the one used in uvalde often leave victims unrecognizable. you need to hear. this with us tonight, doctor vin gupta, a critical pair pulmonologist in seattle and a reservist serving in the u.s. air force medical corps. vin, i know this is the last thing you want to talk about. but i need you to explain to our audience what we are talking about for gun safety. there is nothing save about an ar-15. walk us through what happens to a human body, a child when a bullet from an ar-15 style and
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to see you. >> well, good evening stephanie. and for your audience here, not to get too graphic, if you are, if you know somebody, or let's say somebody get shot by an ar-15 style weapon and that bullet goes in through an entry wound, what happens on impact to the flesh that soft tissue between your skin and bone, it's like a mini bomb went off, stephanie. and so, what you'll have is that you have tissue destruction. we'll have bleeding out, likely. you have damage to arteries and veins. and, in battlefield, medicine, what we get taught in the military medicine is that one of the core components is tactical compact casualty care. you have -- to stench the bleeding, to try to save a life and to -- you start talking not in heart rate, respiratory weight, these normal vital signs that you and i are well aware of, two years into the covid pandemic. we are talking about things like shock index, heart rate divided in solid blood pressure.
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but that is not common in civilian medicine. we are talking about things like shock index, wondering how much blood volume has been lost in somebody's injury and settings like. this you lose 40 to 15% near blood volume within minutes. so, it's going to happen really quickly. there's organ failure. there's inflammatory cascade. much more detrimental to the body than an injury or a bullet that might go into the body from a handgun, stephanie. so, that is why timeless of the essence. but also different skill set, battlefield. not civilian medicine. >> so, does your average hospital -- let see somebody actually makes it into an ambulance and into an emergency room. can an average hospital, can leave into someone? >> absolutely. but time is of the essence. here the concern here is are you going to hemorrhage to death. how much blood volume would be used. it depends where the injury occurred, wasn't ellen, could they amputate that lynn? again, is a tourniquet in play. scan the stench of that bleeding. the emt civilian emt generally
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are taught in these situations, but stephanie, they just don't have enough opportunity and skill flex to do this. it's not that common these types of wounds and injuries at a massacre like level. this is battlefield medicine. so, yes, this could happen quickly. and if the patient was stabilized in the field right after that injury, literally within a minute or two, we're not talking one hour, within a minute or two, that injury was recognized, the tourniquet was, placed, yes then you take that person to in hospital, you get them blood products, you do damage control, resuscitation, the type of immediate emergency surgery from a trauma sergeant to stepped up bleeding. >> we are out of time, but i have to ask, why can some of these children not be identified? there is not rubble there under, they aren't missing, the right there in the classroom. >> well, they likely sustained, i'm speculating, here but they likely sustained facial trauma, bullets to their face. and, again, in this case, once you have that impact you have
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soft tissue destruction and probably have a face that's unrecognizable as hard as it is to articulate that, as hard as it is for your audience to hear. that so, that's the reason why. >> unrecognizable. unrecognizable! that is the work of an ar-15 weapon of war. doctor vin gupta, thank you for joining us tonight. those lives that were stolen in you've all day, they were all taken too soon. each one of those faces you are looking at, that is what matters. and, tonight, we are hearing from those who love the most. including the parents and many of them, one little girl, alexei's parents. >> [inaudible] >> i haven't gotten to see my baby since the day we took this picture with. there >> i just want to see her.
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>> why kept the holder and touch or, this is the only thing i can hold. >> they also told -- that she was smart, loving, and appreciative little girl. -- told my colleague something very similar. >> the sweetest girl that you've ever met, ever had the chance to me. i had to honor to call her my daughter. >> and as we learn the names of more victims, let's take a moment to remember who they were. >> --, she was just ten years old, her uncle said that she loved school and made friends everywhere she went. -- told about that she was fast, on we'll, day she won six races, she also loved to dance and swim. naveah bravo, middle the washington post that she put a smile on everyone's face. her and said that her name is have been spelled backwards. the washington post also reporting that miranda's life was also law, have. >> maite rodriguez, also ten
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years, old her and wrote on facebook that she was full of life and dreamed of when they going to texas a&m to become a marine biologist. young children who deserve to live long beautiful lives. those lives were stolen. we'll be right back. ack.
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>> the last thing before we go tonight, and this is now our fault. an emotional jimmy kimmel used his monologue last night to speak about his sadness and frustration over the robb elementary school shooting. he asked for courage from pro gun texas politician, senator cruz and governor abbott. pleading with americans not to take this in action on gun regulations anymore. >> here's the thing i would like to say to ted cruz, the
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human being and governor abbott and everyone. it's okay to admit that he made a mistake. in fact it's not okay, it's necessary that you made a mistake, when your mistake is killing the children in your state. it takes a big person to do something like that, it takes a brave person to do something like that and do i think that these men are brave people? no i do not, i do not. but man i would love if they surprised me. i would love if any of these guys surprised me. i don't know, this is not a time for moments of silence, this is the time to be loud and to stay loud and not stop until we fix this. some people say that this is a mental health problem. others say that it is a gun problem. it is both, and it can be both and so let's work on both of those. there have been 27 school shootings so far this year in this country and it is may.
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how does this make sense to anyone? but these are our children. and our representatives are supposed to represent us. we want limits on who can walk around with an ar-15. and it damn well should not be a teenager who works at a fast food restaurant. if we cannot agree on that, forget it. this is not their fault anymore, it is now our fault. we get angry, we demand action we don't get it. they waited a. >> tonight on all in. it was reported that a school district police officer confronted the officer making country. office confronted the >> massive new questions about the timeline of the school shooting, as dystopian distractions to actual solutions continue. >> god help us. if we don't harden our schools and protect our kids.
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>> tonight, or learning about what actually happened in uvalde. how school security ramped up in the wake of previous mass murders continue to fail and why all of us are concerns about more guns keep getting ignored. and as the leaders of america's gun crisis meet at the nra convention going all about the potential for congress. >> why only in the your country, why isn't only in america? why is this exceptionalism so awful? >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, what we know happened at ramallah matthew school in uvalde texas is that 19 children and two teachers were shot and killed. they were murdered by an 18 -year-old who purchased two weapons as soon as he was legally able. right after his 18th birthday. there's a lot we do not know. in particular, about the
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