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corporate america and the party of poor working-class people and working families. >> jerry dickinson another democrat in the five-way primary says this election is all about the future. >> i think a lot of folks are saying it is time for one generational change. lee is far more divisive in her approach and i come to this as a consensus builder, as a coalition builder. >> and for summer lee, the stakes are clear. >> what are you in this for? >> very clear. to build power frl working-class people. that's it. >> i'll see you right back here tomorrow, but for now "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. the city of buffalo joins a list of communities in the united states and all around the world,
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cities like charleston and pittsburgh and el paso and christchurch in new zealand that have been tragically been victimized by racist rampages and violent extremism fueled by racial hatred. the conversations across this country today do nothing for the families of the victims. they do not erase their pain or ease their horror of the loved ones' violent deaths, but at least we have a quorum willing to acknowledge the problem. the ideology that fuels saturday's mass shooting no longer sits on the absolute fringes of our society. ten people were gunned down, three others injured at a supermarket by a shooter who traveled more than 200 miles to target a predominantly black neighborhood in buffalo, new york, a shooter who according to police this morning would have continued with his rampage if he had not been stopped and arrested by police. 11 of the 13 victims were black. the dead range in age from 32
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years old to 86 years old. the shooter wrote a lengthy, in which he was inspired by the shooter who massacred 49 people in a mosque in christ church, new zealand. the manifesto includes dozens of anti-semitic and racist themes pushed by white supremacists which wrongly claims white people are being replaced in america. what is one of the most alarming developments in the politics in the last few years that despite warnings from national security officials, people like donald trump's appointee to lead the fbi christopher wray who said in 2020 that whit supremacist trorism is the largest threat in the domestic extremism problem, despite that warn tradition him, one of the country's two political parties have brought the baseless and dangerous
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conspiracy that white people are being replaced out of the dark, dank corners of the internet. as "the new york times" puts it, replacement theory once confined of reddit message boards and semi-obscure white nationalist sites has gone mainstream, in sometimes more muted forms the fear crystallizes of a future america in which white people are no longer the numerical majority has become a potent force in conservative media and politics where the theory has been borrowed and re-mixed to attract audiences, re-tweets and small dollar donations. that has become gospel for parts of the republican party. from the post, quote, representative elise stefanik, the number three house republican and other gop lawmakers came under scrutiny sunday for previously echoing the racist great replacement theory that inspired an 18-year-old who allegedly killed ten people while targeting black people at a supermarket in
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buffalo. while stefanik has not pushed the theory by name, she and other conservatives have echoed the tenets of the far-right ideology as part of anti-immigrant rhetoric that has fired up the republican base ahead of the mid-term elections. but by far, and you all know this already, the biggest evangelist for this biggest evangelist theory is tucker carlson and here's what he's been saying day after day after day on his broadcast thanks to our friends at the program. watch. >> i know that the left and although the gatekeepers on twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term replacement if you suggest the democratic party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots with new people more obedient voters from the third world, but they become hysterical because that's what's happening, actually. let's just say it. that's true. >> let's say it for emphasis.
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it is the secret to the entire immigration debate. demographic change is the key to the democratic party's political ambitions. in other words, you're being replaced and there's nothing you can do about it so shut up! [ laughter ] they're trying to change the population of the united states and they hate it when you say that because it's true. our country is being invaded by the rest of the world. >> the country's being stolen from american citizens as we watch. >> in political terms this policy is called the great replacement of legacy americans with more obedient people from faraway countries. >> it really happens every night. the mainstreaming of a deadly ideology and what we do about it is where we start today is former rnc chairman michael steele is here, charles glow and claire mccaskill joins us and with us on set nick confisori for "the new york times" his byline was on an incredible
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document about tucker carlson. a new guest at this table, virtual table. i want to start first with your reaction about what this conversation should look like. well, it's been a bit muddied and we need to unmuddy it. there is replacement fact and a replacement theory. there is a fact according to estimates that the white majority will be replaced by non-white. you can feel about it hover you want to feel about it. there are some people that are encouraged about it, but it is a fact. there are certain southwestern states that will, in the coming decades become majority hispanic, not just majority, minority and depending how you want to feel about it. the theory part of it is another thing that this is a plan by democrats and jewish people or
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whomever and they're orchestrating this rather than a fact born out of basic migration and reproductive data. that is the -- the universe that we need to be dealing with, and the problem becomes that there is, the republicans will never be satisfied -- the white people to keep the numerical majority is for the country to shrink. for everyone who is non-white to have a lower birthrate which would be an economic disaster. so what they do is they attack it all of the other ways. they attack immigration and they think everything they say will be as to the domestic infant inventory which is what the leader was talking about. these people use it in terms of the way that they need to have more children just to keep up in the game of population.
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that is not going to stop. they're going to go after birth control. they're going to go after lgbt people because they think those are white people who could be having children which are white and here is the great irony of all of this, it is not actually black people who are going to be the replacements, right? if you look at all of the projections, the percentage of black people will hold relatively stead, but in the coming decades there will be nearly twice as many hispanics as there are black people in this country and eefrnts ally asian people will become the largest share of the immigrant population and that is the thing, but because there is such a long legacy of anti-blackness in this country and because blackness is the greatest contrast to whiteness, black people continue to be the largest share of the people who are attacked as hate crimes on
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the racial scale. so what we need to hold both -- these are all young white men who are terrorists that are doing this and it is black people bearing the brunt of it, even though according to their own theory, black people are not the people who are doing the replacing. >> michael steele, i want to show you two things. first this is congressman jamal bowman on the republicans' role in fanning the flames. >> we need a reckoning and we need to look white nationalism directly in the face and finally do something about it. we continue to kick the can down the road on this issue and we need a process of truth and collective healing. people are being radicalized across the country by so-called replacement theory is by rhetoric that's coming from fox news, the republican party and
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others pushing a national coordinated campaign of fear around replacing the white race and everything that is antithetical to what america is supposed to be. so as a black man, i continue to feel victimized by so much of what happens here, and what we saw today is a radicalization -- excuse me, yesterday, is a radicalization and an extreme response to the subtle implicit and explicit racism that lives in so many aspects of american society. >> michael steele, let me just add to that across the aisle, congresswoman liz cheney echoed a lot of that message by saying the house gop leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy and antisemitism. history has taught us what begins with words ends in far worse. liz cheney is writing this, gop leaders must renounce and reject the views and those who hold them. that would mean, michael steele,
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if today gop leaders listen to liz cheney they would renounce tucker carlson and all of the others who have advocated white nationalism, white supremacy, anti-semitism and the race theory. >> don't hold your breath on that because that's not happening. we can get past that wishful thinking that republicans will come around because the day is monday, right? and this horror occurred when again? so you can see that there is no interest in stepping into this moment very much as we've seen in the past. i give you charlottesville and any number of examples where the voices on this side of the aisle have been not just muted, they've been stone shut because of the embrace of a level of white nationalism that brings forth cash and votes which in the political ethos are the only
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two things that matter in a moment like this. so stefanik goes out and raises money off of this, you know. we see candidates getting elected on, you know, race baiting, critical race theory. so now we're seeing again the consequences of that, nicole and the reality is now what? now what? i mean, we can't get a voting rights bill through the united states congress. so i don't know what the hell people expect is going to happen when a white young white guy goes and shoots ten black people. what do you expect that to happen, america? we barely respond to the killing of grade school kids. we have to decide collectively whether or not this matters. what charles said is the case. i love the way he just
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crystallized what this is. the reality around hey, folks, america is changing. america has been changing since its founding. it's been changing from the moment we stepped on these shores and yet a lot of african-americans not just feel, but know we still carry the brunt of white angst, fear, anger in our communities and so it doesn't matter what the demographic shifts are. we feel we're the go-to and that's just not, poor us victimhood. that's just the reality that we've functioned with for 400 years and made work despite it all, but now we're at an inflexion point where you will see this thing grow and expand and touch a greater number of communities across the country and so then we'll see how america responds to that because for the last 400 years it's been, okay. we'll get to you next whenever next comes. >> michael steele, and there are
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two things here that should be unacceptable to every american, and in the halls here, the conversation is always the same thing about guns. if you slaughter babies at newtown you do nothing. it's everything you need to know about the united states of america. frankly, you knew that after columbine, right? >> right. >> but the republican party, if you swap out christopher wray's testimony and the sentence that christopher wray utters isn't by far the greatest threat in america is domestic violent extremism isn't white supremacy, when you swap that out in the year 2001 when robert mueller was the fbi director is radical foreign extremism. there was nothing the republican party wouldn't do to protect the homeland from foreign extremism. nothing. nothing. why can't you convene a summit to have the republican party at least acknowledge the threat they now face from -- from an
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ideology from within its own ranks that is rotting and corrupting one of the two political parties in the country? >> because there's been benefit received from those ranks, you know? where's been the penalty points ascribed to the party? where have they been held accountable? i mean, we've got folks running around saying january 6th was just, oh, you know, another day in washington. so if that's -- if that's now your new standard, and of course, going back to your first point about, you know, foreign terrorism, well, it's foreign and it wasn't white. so of course it is easy to rally around that, you know? you saw president bush have to come out and tell the country, look, y'all, this ain't about muslims. this is about bad people who want to do bad things to us, right? so that's, i mean, he had to clarify in the moment because he
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knew if he didn't that would be the rope everyone would swing from, and so without that clarifying conversation by our political leadership, yeah. an 18-year-old kid hearing and seeing the lives of stefanik and gates and marjorie taylor green and go through the list, katherine mccarthy either siel notally or directly officialing that sort of nationalism. yeah. >> guess what happens in a grosh rae store in a town near you, you're at risk and that's the problem. >> because the country doesn't have the leadership to really speak to. it gets dismiss when the border and then you go down that rabbit hole. i guess one last point on this, nicole, and i get we always want
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to put it in a political box and say it's all about these right-wing republican conservatives and i've had some conversations with just everyday white folks sometimes and the party is not sometimes the be all and the end all of this. this is a -- this is an attitude. this is a feeling, i guess, an idea that's -- that goes across party lines, and there are americans out there. i mean, remember, donald trump got how many millions of votes? he didn't shrink in the number between 16 and 20. he grew, and so you can't just say that's all republicans or that's all conservatives and i'm not giving any quarter to that, trust me, but i think we need to be wide-eyed about the nature of our country not just focused on the political box we want to put people in. >> well, not central to tucker carlson's popularity. i think in the same way that donald trump has some of those
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crossover voters or carlson has cross overviewers. i want to play from your big investity piece into what he does. >> this is how radical demographic change happens. >> i don't want to live in a country that looks nothing like the country i grew up in. they can import an entirely new electorate of the third world and change the demographics so completely they'll never lose again. if they import new voters they'll run the country forever. many americans don't recognize where they grew up. the a long-term agenda of refugee resettlement is to bring in voters. illegal immigrants are the key to their own power. the key is to import as many democratic voters as possible. it is to ensure the political control, replace the population. this policy is the great replacement, the replacement of legacy americans with more
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obedient people from faraway countries. >> michael steele, i want to read from elise stefanik's ad. she's guilty of one of many things and one of them is ripped straight from the montage of tucker carlson. radical democrats are planning the most aggressive move yet. the plan to grant amnesty to 11 million illegal immigrants is to overthrow the permanent liberal majority in washington. as again charles pointsed out, the demographic changes have been in motion since the late 1980s and '90s and the only president who has had a policy of amnesty is ronald reagan. >> it hasn't really played out that carlson and others like him have feared. hispanic voters moved towards trump in the last election in the border counties of texas, and the black voter has moved
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towards trump. this racial essentialism has been the wrong kind over and over in american politics. the true story of america that today's immigrants are tomorrow's nativists un. it's two sides of the same coin in america and we're also suspicious of them throughout our history, but i will say that when stefanik's campaign is dialing up and looking for dollars on facebook and when carlson is on the air, they're looking for the same thing, for the same reason. it's ratings, audience, money. they see an audience, they can tap and this idea -- and it's different forms and shorts of the antisemitic and anti-black continent is powerful and vivid and explain something that's happening to people who are very worried. that's the one cheap. the reason why it's so hard on back away from this, is that is
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an audience, an on-purpose replacement is actually happening. it's not only republicans, and takes many forms, but they're all kind of connecteded. >> claire, president joe biden's candidacy was in his words what he saw in charlottesville and the ex-president's reaction to it. i think he's had some incredibly powerful things to say in his written statements and his statements to the camera today have spoken straight to this, but what are your thoughts about how he handles this moment? >> the biggest problem that joe biden has is that americans sense his empathy and americans chose him over a very divisive leader. but it doesn't have the same kind of impact that we need
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right now just because so many voters are wrapped up in this idea that joe biden is not as popular and frankly, i don't understand it, why his popularity has waned the way it has. i think it's a complicated reason, but here's the thing i want to say, nicole. i think that it is not fair to spend so much time talking about elise stefanik and tucker carlson and not mention donald trump. donald trump said the ugly part out loud. there have always been racists in this country and yes, my friend michael steele is right. there are democrats that hate black people and there are republicans that hate black people. no question about it, but the difference is that donald trump came down that escalator and he said the ugly part out loud. he said mexicans coming here were rapists when we all know the vast majority of mexicans who have come to america are looking for the american dream.
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they have strong family values. they have deep religious faith. they want to work hard. they want to raise their children in a place where there is a brighter future. that is very american and he called them all rapists out loud when he announced for president of the united states. the moment he did that, things began to dramatically change in the republican party, and now they're all comfortable with gaining political power through hate of black people and brown people and some of these people, it's all about jewish people, and that now has become an important part of the republican party, and i think it is really important we don't forget that dtd delivered that. >> charles, i have it think with this, and you've dealt with this operational racial hatred in a way that was accelerated or in the open or whatever word you want to use. when you look at any effort to
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try to. i don't know if the bell can be unrung, to make the counter extremism effort, where do place donald trump? >> he's a central figure, but he is not the beginning nor will he be the end of it. one thing that's very interesting to me about this, nicole is that white people who have told people who look like me, black people and other racial minorities. it's fine to be a minority. you can do it. you can make it. you're just not making it for whatever reason it is has nothing to do with us. you can make it as a perfectly position to be a minority. the moment that white people sense that they could be on the verge of being a minority themselves many of them are responding with terrorism and killing people. so i want them to understand what that looks like to people like me which is absolute
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hypocrisy. >> michael steele i saw you nodding and i'll let you jump in on this. >> i love what charles writes and i love what he says because he nailed it yet again. you know, so when you -- you know, we're coming through school and trying to get jobs and, you know, do your best, guy. it's okay, you can make it. you know, i know it's tough out there. okay. yes. guess what? in about 20 years the tables turned, so this is your reaction to taking on becoming part of the grand american experience as one of many as opposed to just the minority because one of many. we look at ourselves as one of many. yes. our numbers may be smaller than some, but we're part of the collective. that's what you keep telling us. charles is right. the moment it looks like the numbers are going to go in a different direction a whole lot of white folks say time out.
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no. at the end of the day this is about two things. it is about money and this is about power and there's one thing that i talk about when i -- when i talk particularly to young african-americans and as the country changes, don't get hooked in this idea that one day the people say it's the money hook and the power piece and that's the thing that they are scared to lose control of more than anything else, and we've already seen it in our history, right? when there was black wall street. what did they do? >> burned it down. >> so that money piece and that power, that power piece, those two things are the last vestiges. you all can have the american dream as long as we have the money and the power. >> no one's going anywhere. when we come back we'll continue our conversation from the buffalo massacre with democrats
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sounding off on the possible pathways out or remedies for the rights disinformation spiral. pennsylvania will go to the polls tomorrow and we are learning more about ultra-maga kathy barnett along with her marching on january 6th. the candidates are having to answer to just hours left to go in that campaign. later in the program we'll speak to an elected official from that state, one who defeated barnett in her first and last campaign for congress, madeleine dean will be our guest and all of those stories and more, and "deadline white house" will be right back after the break. don't go anywhere. right back after the break don't go anywhere.
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a lone gunman armed with weapons of war and hate-filled soul shot and killed ten inon sense people in cold blood at a grocery store on saturday afternoon. jill and i, like all of you, pray for the victims and their families and a devastated community. the justice department has stated publicly that it's investigating the matter as a hate crime, racially motivated act of white supremacy. as they do, we must all work together and address the hate that remains a stain on the soul of america. our hearts are heavy once again, but our resolve must never, ever waiver. >> that was president joe biden yesterday reacting to the shooting in buffalo and as countless presidents have done before him seeking to console a nation in the aftermath of
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another racist mass shooting. we are back with our panel. claire, you talked about doj investigating as a hate crime. michael steel talked about voting rights legislation, police reform legislation. are you confident that sort of the levers of the executive branch are functioning as rapidly as the threat we now face motivated by white supremacy? >> well, we have hate combined with an incredible love affair of guns in this country. we need to remind ourselves while there was that awful, horrific shooting in new zealand, this is essentially an american problem and it comes back to these military-style weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible in as short as possible time period and obviously, that is the power of the nra once again,
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firmly in the back room at mitch mcconnell's office, the nra and all of the gun lobby and guns have become a symbol of the republican party in terms of their, quote, unquote, freedom. it doesn't matter what kind of weapon it is. so gun safety is something this country wants. they want it. this country wants gun safety. they want more controls over the type of weapons that are easily put in the hands of an 18-year-old that clearly is mentally ill and full of hate, but we have not been able to politically get it done yet and that will take more votes. it will take more people getting elected that are following the will of the people on this subject, and for the life of me, i have to tell you, when i talk about this subject i want to crawl into bed and pull the covers over my head because it is like groundhog day and it is so heartbreaking that we all know we can do something.
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it's not going to solve the problem, but we can do something and yet we continue to do nothing. >> don't crawl into bed and pull the covers over. we need you to be part of this conversation and nick, we need you to be a part of this conversation, and i wonder if you think that anybody at fox sees any correlation between tucker carlson championing a great replacement theory and the mass shooter, who also adhered to the ideology that tucker amplifies night after night. >> i think what fox would say is that tucker takes care on his show to denounce violence even as he fans the air every night on the same show. >> so what do you think he'll do tonight? >> what do you think tucker will do tonight? >> by the look at past performance you will see that he's being misrepresented that
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it is true and it's what he said in the past. joe biden's administration has sent back over a million migrants at the southern border. he has kept some of trump's policies at the border, he's gone back on others. he wants more legal immigration, for sure, but this is not the behavior of a replacement kabal,as you will hear it spoken about on fox conservative media, but look, this is a top-rated show on cable news. they have a fervent and loyal audience of mostly people over 54. almost all of them are white and that's who they're broadcasting to every night and that's not where the money is made, and that's the size of the audience and there is money in this, and they have found that it lights up their audience. they can be downstream of the more extreme versions of these ideas. they can sand them down. they can make them lesson vowsly racist and inflammatory by leaving out the kind of rhetoric of black people being replaced
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which is what you saw in the buffalo manifesto and they can make a lot of money doing it. >> so -- if this is the -- if this is not the country you want to live in, what is most distressing what you all articulate is a hard wired structure and financial incentive to just, the status quo. let's just leave things as we are. we are radicalized and despondent mentally ill teenager who consumes the, you know, sludge that fox news pushes out that is amplified by the senior republicans. in liz cheney's words she was the last number three republican and in the last number three republican's words this is what the republican party is doing, they're enabling anti-semitism. isn't that where we are, michael steele? it's where we are. >> yeah. it is a lot of where we are.
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i think to your broader question, though, i keep going back to this, you know, i hate to sound like a broken record here, but the reality of it is these people do what they do because in the main, we kind of let them, right? it's as was just noted in the last segment, a third of the american people are okay with this? they believe that, you know, they're being replaced by people who look like me, you know? brown skinned people, you know? so how do you begin to turn that around when you kind of hope that the remaining two-thirds go, you know what? you all just need to chill. we've got this, you know? and start looking at the kind of people we are putting our state legislatures who are passing all these crazy laws that we know are -- are fueling this particular flame. look at the people we will send
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to congress this fall. i mean, why can't we just ask the straight-up question, do you believe in, you know, replacement theory is don't give me the hubbeda, hubbeda, hubbeda, thank you very much, you will not be going back to washington or you will not be going back to your state legislature. at some point we, the people, have to -- >> the rest of that sentence has to be an argument that's made to the country. you will not be going back to the legislature because this ideology is fueling domestic violence extremism that endangers every grocery store and school in america. who makes that argument? >> we do because we don't want our grocery stores and our schools endangered and we don't want elected leaders who sit there mutely or -- or conversely expressing outward support for this stuff because that's why it works. i'll give you just a quick example.
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when the society decided to rear its ugly head back in the gop, what did the political leadership do? they said no, get the hell out of here. >> right. that's not what we're about. so they found a surreptitious way in the nixonian with the southern strategy, but that's been the ongoing battle, but in that first full frontal assault the party leadership stood up. by the time you get to trump everybody's like, okay, because again, there's money and votes in it, nicole and that's the problem. so to the extent that -- i always get this feeling that a large swath of the american people sort of check out. what do i do? who's voting for this stuff in congress? who's voting for this stufr in the county council or the city commission or the state legislature, because that's how it starts. >> yeah. >> all right. to be continued.
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charles, and thank you for being part of this conversation. michael and claire, stick around. up next for us, some of the republicans in pennsylvania who will face the ballot box tomorrow were so enthusiastic about the big lie that they travelled to washington with the insurrectionists for the stop the steal rally, their commitments about the lies about a stolen election front and center in the next hour. that's our story. stay with us. e next hour. that's our story stay with us - common percy! - yeah let's go! on a trip. book with priceline. you save more, so you can “woooo” more.
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>> so right around this time tomorrow, it's 4:43 in the east we'll be right around election results and the tremendously consequential and kind of sordid race in pennsylvania. the meteoric rise of kathy barnett, a far-right fringy, if you will, big lie advocating republican. she has surged in recent weeks like too fringy for trump fringy pulling herself alongside the competition. there's the trump-endorsed dr. oz. former hedge fund ceo dave mccormick and a couple of also rans, but you see the top three are neck and neck as they so often do late surges mean late focused and not too late in the case of our correspondent. this focus, that attention, barnette resulted in the photographs independently verified by nbc news showing barnette marching during the
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capitol insurrection or toward it as it's getting under way on january 6th alongside members of the proud boys. barnette isn't the only republican candidate that was there on the day of the insurrection in washington, d.c. so, too, was doug mastriano endorsed by none other than donald trump. barnette is answering if some of her past comments anti-islamic tweets in 2016, she addressed a controversy on fox news over the weekend insisting that the context of the tweet his to do with syrian refugees and then she said this. >> overwhelming majority of the tweets that are now being presented are not even full thoughts. they're not even full sentences and yet people take it and they begin to build their own narrative around it. so i can't provide a lot of context because again, it's
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almost ten years ago. that's how far they have to go back to try to find anything on me. >> just what our country needs, politicians who don't tweet in full sentences or thoughts. let's bring in our coverage, nbc news correspondent dasha burns live from scranton, pennsylvania. you have been all over the story thisec wooend. fill us in. >> we are actually waiting for kathy barnette right now, nicole. we are here in scranton, where she's about to have an event and a lot of people are looking for a lot of answers right now. we will see if she provides those answers. you mentioned over the weekend those images of her. we knew that she was in washington on january 6th and this is the first time that we have seen those pictures and her marching toward the capitol. to be clear, we do not have evidence that she was on the capitol grounds. she breefrped the capitol and marching toward it alongside her known members of the proud boys, two of whom were actually
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arrested and indicted on their alleged activity of participation in those riots. and we've been talking to some of the other candidates here. her rivals, oz and mccormick who likely did not see any of this coming. they did not think they would be fighting off a third candidate at this point. i just spoke to mccormick earlier today and i asked him about barnette, here's when he told us. >> now what's happening is she's getting the spotlight and a lot of questions that should have been answered a long time ago that all of the scrutiny that i got and others have gotten are coming to the fore and she has to answer those questions whether it's about military service, career. >> do you think she's answered them properly? >> she needs to are answer them. and i don't think she's answered them yet and that's the kind of scrutiny we have to have for all of us and i have certainly had it because the stakes are too high. if you get to the general election and there are a lot of things about your candidate that you didn't know and you voted and that's unfair to our country and to our parties and she has
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to answer those questions so voters can make informed decisions. >> the campaign did respond to our request for comment on those pictures saying that kathy was in d.c. to support president trump and anything that she supported destruction of property is false and she has no connection to the proud boys. i've been talking to voters and you mentioned earlier, is this all coming too late? it just might be. every voter that i've talked to doesn't really know what we're talking about when we bring up some of these attacks and they're mostly focusing on her position to abortion, on the fact that she brings something different that the millionaire candidates she's running against aren't bringing and it takes a while for the messaging to trickle down to voters. oz and mccormick had months and months and i do hear those repeated from voters. i haven't heard any of the attacks trickle down to the ground to the people that will be casting some ballots tomorrow, nicole. >> i mean, michael steele, 1996
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is calling and wants its, like, standards and ethics for campaigns back from david mccormick's precious mentality. the voters deserve answers. republican primary voters may not hold it against her. are you sure this is, like a late, last-minute offer? will this help her or hurt her? how sick is that? she has backed these anti-democratic impulses of the republican party and she's ascended? that's the story, really, right? not the dogfight among three. >> so i love dasha's dogged reporting on this this weekend. >> she's a bad ass. wait, we have to bring dasha back about reporters not being let in. was there also an event in pennsylvania for republicans where reporters were aren't let in? >> yes. >>.
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>> tell us about that. >> you may have seen an interesting interaction over the weekend. this was not on my bingo card. i had a bit of a standoff on the air on msnbc with a gentleman dressed as paul revere who was preventing reporters from entering a rally rally between mccormick and barnett. sorry, mast ra know and barnett. it is difficult to talk about this with a straight face. i mean, it was a really bizarre scene. all the reporters were there. this was supposed to the big rally for moat of them. mastriano made headlines getting the trump endorsement. we were just being asked to let in and were prevented from doing that, again, by a gentleman dressed as paul revere. >> michael steele, my serious point is josh is on the ground, but our reporting shouldn't lose sight of the fact that anti-journalist, anti-press access, pro trump at that point,
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pro insurrection, the only people that walked to the ellipse, that is who is surging in the republican primary. >> yes. so i go back to segment we just went through, and dasha's reporting actually confirms for me the point i was trying to make. this is because people want it to be. it will not surprise me, nicole, if barnette wins tomorrow night. it will not surprise me because of the nature of this and the fact that it doesn't matter that she marched. i would ask, okay, tell me, police barnette, what happened when the crowd got to the capitol? where were you? what did you do? did you advance further? did you stay back? and then we'll wait for video tape, right, to show exactly what you did or did not do. so the reality of it is that doesn't matter. they don't care.
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they don't. the only thing that matters is that she gave an impassioned and very well done articulation of her pro-life views given the story of her mother and her life and all of that. and that was fine. and for enough people, that's okay. it doesn't matter whether you supported insurrection or not. it doesn't matter whether you were endorsed by trump or not. voters have sort of zeroed in and so for candidates like her, that's mcconnell's worst nightmare. >> there's this drama on the other side of the aisle. stick around through a quick break. we'll get to do democrats with claire on the other side. don't go anywhere. e other side don't go anywhere.
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we're back with claire and michael. dasha had to do some reporting. claire, everything we've talked about in the last 56 minutes sharpens both the contrast and the stakings ahead of the november midterms, right? >> yes, and tomorrow is the election in pennsylvania. and let's make one thing really clear here, trump -- she's not too fringy for trump. he would go for her in a new york second. he just didn't think she would win and wanted to be against mcconnell's candidate, mccormick. i think she'll win. that video of her marching to the capitol that day, that helps her. >> so sick. >> that doesn't hurt her in a republican primary. i think she'll win. then of course we hope john
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very fine people on both sides? with those words, the president of the united states asooned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it. and in that moment, i knew the threat to this nation was unlike any i had ever seen in my lifetime. i wrote at the time that we're in the battle for the soul of this nation. well, that's even more trud today. we can't forget what happened in charlottesville. even more importantly, we have to remember who we are. this is america. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. it was the foundation of now-president biden's candidacy for the white house, the fight for the soul of our nation. sadly, a year and a half into his time in office, it's a fight that is very much being waged. we continue the see hatred and division spewed, key tenets of
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our democracy threatened, in some cases taken away. and the hope voiced by dr. martin luther king jr. that all americans would be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character challenged day after day after day. like this weekend's horrific and tragic mass shooting at the supermarket in buffalo where ten people were killed after the shooter traveled hundreds of miles to a predominantly black neighborhood and opened fire there. buffalo's police commissioner said the suspect planned on continuing his rampage beyond that grocery store and described the shooting as an absolute racist hayes crime, saying this about the shooter, "this is someone who has hate in his heart, soul, and mind." the suspect is believed to have written an180-page manifesto before the shooting where he cited the racist conspiracy theory. new york governor cathy hochul called it white supremacy
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terrorism. it's deadly threat that america's top intelligence and national security officials have been trying to warn about repeatedly. here's christopher wray doing just within that. >> what i can tell you is that within the category as a whole, racially motivated violent extremism i think is the biggest bucket within that larger group and within the racially motivated violence extremist bucket, people ascribing to some kind of white supremacist-type ideology. certainly the biggest chunk of that. i would also add to that that racially motivated violent extremism for years has been responsible for the most lethal activity in the u.s. >> following saturday's shooting, president joe biden issued a strong statement saying, "a racially motivated hate crime is abhorrent to the very fabric of this nation. any act of domestic terrorism,
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including one perpetrated in the name of a repugnant white nationist ideology is hate to america. we must do everything in our power to end hate-fueled terrorism." tomorrow the traveled with first lady to buffalo to grieve with that community. how do we stop attacks like this from taking place? can the president have this visit with loved ones? that's where we begin the hour. the reverend al sharpton is here. the president of the national action network. a nbc national security analyst. miles taylor from the department of homeland security. and at the table for the hour, john heilemann, host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus" and the executive
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editor of "the recount." rabbi, i start with you. this is -- i read the president's statement right after the mass shooting took place. and i saw his statements yesterday. i mean, this was exactly what he sought to try to stitch back together in this country. kkk marches where people march this the light of day without their heads covered because there is some permission structure to do so. i wonder what your thoughts are, what your conversations have been like with the white house about how to use this as the moment and to decide what kind of country they want to live in. >> i immediately on saturday, after getting a call from buffalo from our -- leaders in
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the -- if this does not make the
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white house say, wait a minute, we need to call in leaders from all these communities and we need to send a signal that we are antithetical to donald trump's presidency with people on both sides marching. he needs to dramatically show that this administration is against it. it's good he's going tomorrow. he's a decent and good man. i've been in the room where he's comforted families. he met with george floyd's family and i was there. we need the next step now. he needs to meet with leaders
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nationally on the ground and saying we're going after these groups. we're not just going to sympathize with the victims. we're going after you and you will pay a price if you continue to encourage this kind of behavior. that's an interesting way to put this question to you, rev. the choice of the shooter and the ideology he adheres to, the great replacement of local and high-profile adherence in the republican party and the republican media, do you, if you're president biden, do you ask the murdochs to come to that meeting and say people who are dying who believe the same ideology that your most watched programs show? how do you get at the roots of extremism? >> i think that first you have to get to the bottom of what is the law and aggressively say we're going to enforce the law. as you expand the conversation,
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you can bring in whomever and say whatever you want to say to them. but i think you must put a flag on the ground saying enough is enough. we've seen el paso with latinos, seen san diego and pittsburgh. we see charlottesville. now we're seeing buffalo. we're going to stop -- first put you on notice we're going to stop it and enforce it, and you that carry this language will be liable. then i think you can talk to some of those the messengers that do it in other ways, subtle ways. we need to talk to -- passion action network says we'll assist in funeral costs, whatever we can. but beyond that, lead me to stop having to do this. we can't keep going from one situation to the next and just
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sing kumbaya and let's stand together and not put what needs to be put in place to stop this. >> rev, did the white house seem receptive to your idea? did they have any legislation that they planned to introduce in response? do you have any insight into what their plans are? >> the language they said is they are open and want to discuss these things, put everything on the table from having legislation, which didn't pass with george floyd, executive order. i think they are in discussion. i think we need to push thome conclude those discussion. ten people. we're talk about -- when i talk of somebody's son, somebody's mother, somebody's grandmother shopping for groceries. we're talking about a security guard. these were not people that were at a rally doing something to get somebody angry. they were shopping at the only store they could. the faith leaders, i talked with
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bishop pigeon and reverend brown there in buffalo and they're trying to make sense out of this, what can you say if the government doesn't say wait a minute and do something about it. it it's not ra radical when the president of the united states says there are fine people on both sides. the mainstreaming of this hatred, the mainstreaming of we will not be disgraced, this kind of mainstreaming of this opens and broadens the whole pathway to people like this young man to feel that they're standing up for something. while would he be live
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streaming? if he didn't do it and run and hide and we find it a week later -- we live streamed it. when you have that kind of spirit, there's bound more going to be against their actions. >> miles taylor, one of the two parties is streaming his ideologies. is the par chi which you and i once belonged, the republican party. and they may not believe the replacement theory, but by going on tucker carlson's show, but not drawing a line around the network that champions them, they are responsible for what the rev described -- mainstreaming this hatred. >> i've got to agree with the rev. and i think frank would probably agree with me that this eerily -- this is how we've seen international terrorist groups
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develop and become violent, except in this case it's a major political party feeding the narrative. in the 20 years we spent focused on al qaeda and later isis, the violence doesn't just come out of nowhere. it starts with this. and the gop has become a factory in this country, whether it's concerns about, you know, the deep state that secretly is controlling our government or whether it's concerns about a stolen election or this idea that brown and black people are going to feel like they're replaced in the country, these grievances become fringe conspiracy theories. conspiracy theories then get mainstreamed. what i've just mentioned has been so incredibly mainstreamed by the republican party. listen to this. so, for instance, qanon -- it's believed around 50% of republicans nax wide, the stolen
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thit smith believed by 70%, and this great replacement theory is believed by another 50% of america nationwide. these are no longer fringe theories. they're mainstreamed. then you are one tiny hop away from this idea that the grievance cannot be solved through the system and engaging in an act of vie ligs. i genuinely believe having spent a lot of time on counterterrorism to ask the question, is the republican party actually cultivating terrorists? i think that's the concern that we face today. >> frank? >> what happened this weekend is in my opinion the variant of domestic terrorism. we have a legal definition of terrorism and this fits the bill, violence aimed at coercion, intimidation of a civilian population for the promotion of an ideology. are there we go.
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making domestic terrorism illegal. but we have a definition. a single solution to this, the law enforcement is only a piece of this, we've been talking about who should be at the table at a white house meeting. let's ensure in my opinion that the leaders of the social media platforms, all of them, are at that table, because we keep hearing about freedom of speech, freedom of speech, woe is me, we can't do anything. freedom of speech does not mean this. so you need to hold people accountable. if it takes an executive order because this congress can't legislate, so be it. what would that look like? the platforms, the reasonable platforms, they're crying out for regulation. they know they're not really media. they're more of a utility that requires regulation. is a they interact with law enforcement every single day on threats, but it has to get put on steroids. we need embedded federal agents
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and vice versa, social media folks, to actually develop the algorithms together for this. it's not happening fast enough. this young man, this person, this shooter -- we need to change that dynamic right now with the social media platforms. identifying it and the language before it's too late. >> i want to show you something senator schumer said since we've been on the air. >> every time maga republicans,
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pundits vilify wrongly -- to far right argue that people of color in minority communities are somehow posing a threat, a threat to the american way of life. this is replacement theory in a nut shell. it is dangerous and a deeply anti-american world view. it is not enough for outlets like fox news to simply condemn saturday's violence and condemn shooters' racist views and then return to their regularly scheduled programming.
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to have an impact in the fight against domestic violence extremism, fox news and their hosts need to actually stop spreading dangerous ideas like replacement theory on their shows. >> we cover the insurrection almost every day on this show and we sit here and do that. what we don't always do is tie it all together. the ballots that donald trump sought so to disqualify were from urban cities in the states he lost. he didn't want them in rural counties. he wanted detroit, alabama. the whole thing is at peace, and being against the sanctity of our elections and being against accepting what bill barr said was clear defeat for donald trump is all tied together.
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i mean, staff nick and tucker take it to the extreme talking about immigration and democrats wanting to import people that will replace -- it's all part of the same disgusting now dangerous and deadly ideology. >> it is, and, you know, we talking about insurrection on the show all the time you say, and we do, and of course you've heard me criticize donald trump and all of his acolytes and the party and all of its behavior around the insurrection and around stoking racial resentment, capitalizing on white grievance, all of that. you can't say enough that everything that's been said so far on the panel i agree with, by every single person on the panel, right? and yet i just don't -- part of this is going to take this conversation probably someplace it's not supposed to g in a political show. there's a thing about this that is, after all this time, that feels to me like it's birg than politics or it's other than politics. i mean, i was going -- i agree
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with senator schumer, but who cares? that speech is going to affect nobody ever. what joe biden said today is to going to affect nobody to who matters in this context and it's not because those people are doing the right thing. they're saying the right things, saying the truth. we need to hear those things. it's good they say them. it's good if republicans were to step forward and speak truth and go against what's orthodox in their party. i think -- i'd love to hear the other panelists talk about it -- how these conspiracy theories move to the mainstream and become part of the political discourse. they start someplace else. you know, the party -- the scarier thing isn't the donald trump and the trump wing of the party is leading the party in this terrible direction. it's that the party -- >> is willing go there. >> the base is leading the politicians. culture, i think, increasingly, trumps politics in america, and
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i think a lot of the people out there who are in the angry, enraged, violent right-wing white america who are responsible for following replacement theory, propagating it, picking up arms and doing what's going on here, it would be bet for the political culture held them back, but they're sort of beyond it. they're out ahead of the political culture. by ahead, i don't mean a better place, but they are the horses that are dragging the cart. you can see in some cases now even trump in pennsylvania -- you talked about earlier in the show, like the maga movement there is like -- went galloping off. and trump decided to endorse maga and they found somebody who was nuttier. and they said, you know, we're the movement. you're following us, not you're leading us. i think that that is to me a much more difficult -- i mean, getting at the core of the cultural problem here, which has a lot to do with these big, historic demographic shifts and the fear and the economic displacement, but that is a
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thing that politics -- it feels like window dressing to me. there are important speeches to give and white house summons to convene, and i don't think those things will move the needle on the deeper sickness that's driving a lot of this, which i think is embedded in as i said an economics and culture and the divide that's making these things happen -- i'm not saying it's beyond politics but exists in some way apart from our politics, which i think a lot of these people look at and, go i don't care about any of that. i'm scared for other reasons. i definitely don't want to say democrats. i'm not really following donald trump anymore. i'm following something that's scarier and darker than that. >> frank, i want to bring you in on this because i think what is also on the table is we have an extremism problem. i'm not sure everyone sees that it way or agrees that's the case. but no one is engaged in the counterextremism solution. i would give everybody two
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minutes to mull over those answers and stick around for the other side of the break, how this tragedy in buffalo fits into a bigger narrative, like what john is bringing to our conversation of extreme far-right, wide-ranging effort to destroy life as we know it, the author of "the buffalo shooter did not act alone, not by a long shot," joining us. tomorrow night we could see victories in two key elections by republicans at the capitol hill on gymnastics, the member of congress will be our guest in the hour. we continue after the quick break. ll be our guest in the hour we continue after the quick we continue after the quick break. every trip is a big deal.
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we're back with the reverend al sharpton and our other guests. the john's point about this being beyond the reach of our political leaders and more of a problem of domestic extremism that is seated, that exists beyond any sort of news or political bubble, how do you solve that? >> yeah, i can't agree any more than i did with john. this is so much bigger than politics. it's never been about politics for me. it's about national security. and yes, it's about a party whose identified themselves clearly as aligning with conspiracy theories, lies, violence. yes, we get that, but the thing is you can't put the jeannie back in the bottle. the data points that these violent extremists latch onto, they're not going to get any
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better. some of these people, i monitor some of them in forums, they can tell you the date and the year and the time that white people will be officially outnumbered nape've committed that time and date to memory, and they see it as evil. there's the difference, right. we've heard everybody, including the president in the last 48 hours, talk about our vision of america. this isn't our vision of america. it is their vision of america. we have to stop saying that because it's -- you know, my vision of america is, yes, we all get along, we celebrate our differences, my grandparents came from italy and if somebody else's come from haiti, fantastic. their vision is entirely different than that. you have to stop saying this isn't our vision of america. their vision of america is a white america. so we've got to change the factors that get them to violence, whether it's socioeconomic, working on the hate, but to think that's just an executive order or some legislation is misguided. it is so much bigger. it is an existential threat.
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as we speak right now, here's the extremist forums, the chat right now is yes, the shooter is a hero, but you know what the debate? and probably should haven't antarctica elted a supermarket. maybe blacks weren't the way to go. he should have targeted pro-choice protests. why? because they've linked this to white replacement theory. they say we need more white babies. we're not getting enough. and therefore people who are pro-choice are actually part of the white replacement theory. this is the lunacy that's going on right now as we speak in these forums. >> frank, does it matter? should we stop calling them nuts and loons? are they extremists? the country has faced extremism of a form, variety, in a very different way than it seems to be willing to face extremism of a domestic variety. >> all right. so you'll never hae me just say
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extremism alone. it's a stand-alone concept. that's fraught with peril. if i say it, i screwed up. i will always attach the word violent in front of it, because that is what triggers law enforcement response. that's what gets you into that chat room. it often gets you in there way too late. we have to talk about our violent extremism problem because one man's extremism is another one that's a perfectly reasonable idea. we have to attach crime to it and make sure there are avenues and investigative tools. but this goes down to -- we can't even agree on curriculum. you see teach kids not to hate. really? we can't agree on history and math books in florida. so the attorney general and the white house released a new strategy, so called new strategy against the battle of extremism in america. what? last year? we were here talking about it? nothing's happened. it's pie in the sky. talked about curriculum, making kids more savvy consumers of social media. he talked about the clergy in
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social media. it's not happened and can't in this courage environment. that's why john is right. it's so much bigger than politics. it does pose an existential threat. >> that threat was described by you, miles, as threat of terrorism. christopher wray described it as domestic violent terrorists were the words he and ted cruz used and retracted on carlson's program to describe the january 6th insurrection. how do you as a country try to solve the problem with one of the two parties can't call them what they are? as frank is articulating, can't start raising a generation that isn't so vulcanize if republicans are blocking the teaching of tolerance and actually think that tolerance is part of the problem? where do you start? >> there's an enormous irony to you asking that question because
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a decade ago it was those of us on the republican side on capitol hill that were demanding that the obama administration call the threat what it was, right. at the time, we remember worried about militant islamist terrorists, right, people who perverted the religion of islam to launch attack against the west and conservatives were up in arms about the administration not calling it what it is. those same republicans are now the ones refusing to call it what it is, which is domestic terrorism, violent white supremacy. a lot of them are unwilling to acknowledge that it really does genuinely have ideological roots on the right side of the aisle, on the conservative side of the aisle. liz cheney came out today and said it very clearly. she said that our party, the republican party, has been propagating notions that have been hijacked by these violent extremists as frank notes to
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perpetuate these attacks. it is real. it is happening. but we can't get to the root of it unless we acknowledge it. you mentioned fbi director chris wray. i've had conversations with him in the situation room and at vhs about this problem when we saw domestic terrorism on the rise. i'll mention three b's how to address this. if it was a foreign terrorist threat, that would be billions, bureaucracy, and belief. we would spend blts of dollars if it was a foreign terrorist threat. we would totally reorient the federal bureaucracy to handle it, but ultimately, we wouldn't be able to get to the core of it unless we focused on countermessaging, focused on preventing people from radicalizing in the first place. that's what this comes down to. that's what we were warning about years ago when during the trump administration we told the white house domestic terrorism is a ticking time bomb in this country. they ignored the time bomb.
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and guess what? it's gone off. >> a lot of people think donald trump brought in the time bomb, but that's for another day. reverend, frank, miles, thank you so much for starting us off. doug sticks around. when we come back, we'll continue the conversation with the writer who says the buffalo shooter did not act alone. we'll explain next. we'll explain nexttoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about suddenr changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor if latuda is right for you. pay as little as zero dollars for your first prescription.
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state radio. david says the shooting in buffalo was not an aberration but the product of a dangerous movement giving oxygen in a toxic political system. it's entitled "the buffalo shooter did not act alone, not by a long shot," and he write, "it's the guns but not just the guns. it's the racism but not just the racism. it's the misogyny, but it's not just the misogyny. it's the attack on democracy, but it is not just the attacks on democracy. it is the assault on the truth, on teaching history and science, but it is not just the assault on the truth and facts and reality and banning books. it is the corruption, but it is not just the corruption and the cover-up and the obstruction of justice and the gaming of our courts. what happened in buffalo is not just about some isolated shooter, some deranged sociopath. he was fueled by an ideology of hate promoted by an american
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president, by a leading american news channel, by an entire u.s. political party. joining our conversation is the writer of that, david rothkopf, columnist for ""the daily beast,"" a member of our contributors today. david, i read that when you tweeted it first as a thread before putting it together in a piece. and in my own mind i tried to feel if that was right. it is exactly right. it is the most perfect description and diagnosis of what happened. and i guess my question at 5:39 is what do we do about it? >> well, i think the first thing we do about it is what you've been doing for your entire show here. you have taken a step back. you have take an step away from the narrative that people prefer a lone gunman or identifying this as an isolated incident. you have noted that domestic terrorism is a big problem. but domestic terrorism is not alone. institutional racism is a big
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problem. it is not just fostered, however, by lone individuals, the manifesto this guy offered up is something that was circulating among big groups and big chunks of it are parts that are endorsed by people on the right and by fox news and other members of the right-wing media. it's all those things, but, you know, you go a step further as john mentioned, it's a cultural issue. it's an issue that's raised in schools. it's an issue that's raised in churches that promote contrary to religious beliefs as i understand them, intolerance or promotes that one group is better than another group. and it is fostered state by state in policies that say you can't teach history here, you can't teach math if your math is woke, and it is funded by people
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who in one instance want to see, you know, something bad happen to the united states, you know. russia didn't fund the nra because they thought it was good for america. they didn't support donald trump and the right because they thought it would strengthen america. and by the same token, there are other pool who are trying to tap into popular unrest, tap into the cultural movement that john was talking about, because they think they can profit from it. they can use that anger and write it to the tax policies they want or the policies towards their companies that they think are advantageous. so unless you take a step back as you have done, unless you understand the breadth of the problem weaved together each of the elements into the fabric of this moment, you can't solve it. but then you have to call it for what it is, and, you know, props to senator schumer for calling it out.
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we need that more from all the people who oppose this, and we need to put pressure on every time somebody stands up as a candidate, as a member of congress, as a school board president, and do just what the other side is doing and say you're lying, you're causing division, we are going to mobilize, because ultimately the people who oppose these policies in issue after issue, whether it's guns or education reform or woman having a right to choose, the majority. that's the other element of this. in issue after issue, 65, 70, 80% of americans support the issue that this movement opposes, and we have to mobilize that majority and reclaim the american narrative, which we're losing. >> david, i want to ask this question in a slightly different
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way. it could be a much longer discussion, but i think often in america the case is that culture, economics, social issues, the politics, the politics are often a lagging indicator in america, not a leading indicator, partly because of the lack of courage and leaderly quality of our politicians, not just today but throughout american history. we've had problems before in this country that are as ugly as the period now. when the civil rights movement happened, martin luther king led a cultural, social revolution. it feels followed by important legislation in civil rights and voting rights but it feels led first as a call to the american conscience. that was a social movement, first and foremost. is there any kind of fertile ground for that now? who would lead such a movement now? is this a country that can be led in that kind of movement now or has some combination of the
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technology that's divided the country, the way the market has come to work, has it made america immune to that kind of clarion moral call that then begins to shift the culture that then leads to kind of shifts in politics that did change the country in a positive in the 1960s? >> well, you know, god help us if we're immune to that. s polls show the majority agree on these issues that you and i might consider to be consistent with the process you're talking about there. if you go back and on the
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verge of nominating a candidate so extreme, so far to, i guess we call it the right? so out of the mainstream that everyone the trumpied gop's getting nervous. revelations that cathy barnett not only attended the january 6th riot, but marched alongside member of the proud boys is rocking the race in its final days. our next guest is someone we turned to frequently since january 6th and also happens to have defeated barnett in 2020. she was also a house manager during president trump's second impeachment trial. i wonder if you can tell us how
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much of this the national audience is waking up to was known when you ran against her, and are you surprised by what you're seeing in your state? >> well, thank you for having me, and thank you for the extraordinary coverage that you are doing on the buffalo massacre and the embedded racism, the white supremacy that is in and we have to deal with it as a country. in terms of the pennsylvania primary, my goodness, we were about to see a primary of extraordinary contrast. i did run in 2020. cathy barnett was my republican opponent, and we were able to see very, very clearly her homophobic tendencies, her islam phobic tendencies, her admiration and love for donald trump. and she lost by almost 20 points to me. but you know what happened after that? pardon me. i think i have a sore throat from yelling at rallies over the weekend. she did not concede and instead
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literally went on a tour door to door saying she was going to find the fraud of why she lost 20 points. she literally knocked on people's doors to find out how they voted. of course that's not supposed to happen here in america. her senate run, it is surprising, but it was based on a lie, based on the conspiracy theory of the big lie, based on values that are not, i don't believe, values of pennsylvanians. they certainly weren't the values of the fourth congressional district of pennsylvania. and so this is what you get when you have the toxic mix of mehmet oz of new jersey, a tv star who gets donald trump's endorsement, and mr. mccormick on the other side, hedge fund manager who loves to show his guns off. it is time in pennsylvania to make sure we nominate and then
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elect somebody qualified. unfortunately, those on the republican side are not qualified. i'm delighted to lift up the three democrats who are running because they are all sane, they are all for sensible gun restrictions, for women's rights. and so whether it's lieutenant governor john fetterman -- i wish him well and full recovery -- or my friend and fellow representative connor lamb or malcolm kenyatta, he's a star. they're all qualified and will do well in this extraordinarily important senate election. >> congresswoman, i wonder if you can answer me this. pennsylvania is a superinteresting state. it's a battleground state in every potential election as you're well aware, and as you're regretfully aware, donald trump won the state in 2016 and was close in 2020. the president unpopular in your
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state according to every poll. it's easy to say, man, what a "s" show, i guess the way they say it on this network on the republican side, but does that -- are you sitting here today confident that given the narrowness of the margin between republicans and democrats and joe biden's unpopular there right now, are you confident that none of these republicans are ultimately -- will ultimately not have a chance of winning in november? or do you think this is really a tossup no matter who the republican nominee ends up being? >> well, and you know we have closed primaries. so we will not be able to tell in a crossover fashion what happens. we'll be able to tell by way of turnout, and i have the tell you the, mail-in ballot turnout is extraordinary in my district, so many of the votes are already in. we'll also have in-person voting tomorrow. but i am confident that, number one, president biden is more popular in pennsylvania than you think. he is a son of our state, coming from scranton, and i believe
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people actually recognize that he actually cares about the people and making sure that what happens at your kitchen table, what concerns you about the safety of your children. you know, governor rendell has auchb set democrats ought to be -- or all republicans ought to be a single issue voter. where do you stand on ending gun violence? ask any one of the republican candidates, are you going to protect my children from gun violence? none of them will stand with us. so i have the confidence that we will get a fabulous democratic nominee, because that's already baked in. all three are good. and that the democratic nominee will win in november. >> congresswoman, i think we first started calling on you almost daily after the insurrection about your experiences that day and those of your staff. you got two republicans from pennsylvania who were at the capitol on january 6th. you know, and it's not that it's
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an afterthought. we've covered it a lot here, but i think it's kind of a tossup, whether or not that helps or hurts in a republican primary. what do you make of that? >> i think it's very sad. these would be leaders organized bus loads of people to come and then marched with them to the capitol. this was not a normal tourist visit. this was not a normal rally at the white house. this was an intended disruption of the transfer of power. the peaceful transfer of power. they had hoped to overturn through violence. americans attacking americans. they had hoped to overturn the election of a president, all because they were incited by a madman, an autocrat who cares nothing for them. but they organized their busses, up they came, and they didn't disavow it once it became violent. that's what i don't understand. if you thought you were just there to cheer ton president as he lost, that would be one
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thing. but once you actually saw your groups going in, marching with the proud boys, why in god's name would you seek mr. trump's endorsement, as all of these republican folks? they've grovelled for his endorsement. he's a madman, an autocrat. we came precariously close to losing our democracy that day, and here's the sad thing --s the not over. you don't try a coup once and fail. you learn from your mistakes and try it again. pennsylvanians, you're on the eve of this election cycle. please, everyone turn out and vote. your vote really matters. >> congresswoman madeline dean, thank you. >> tough day. >> you're still welcome to come back tomorrow. >> okay. quick break for us. we'll be right back. tomorrow. >> okay. quick break for us we'll be right back.
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