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court justice and arthur lean is retiring, you have no idea how much we have depended on you all of these years. happy retirement, great respect. that's going to do it for us tonight. and i will see you again here monday. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. the cost of this fight is not cheap but keeping the aggression is more costly if we allow it to happen. russia is the aggressor, no if's, ands, or butt's about it, and russia is the aggressor and the world must hold russia accountable. >> that's president biden as he urges congress to approve a massive new aid package to help ukraine fight against russia. he wants quick passage, but we'll explain how the fight over immigration here at lome could get in the way. meanwhile new attacks across ukraine from the capital kyiv to the eastern regions, even at the
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united nations chief visits the country. we'll get a live report from the ground. and the january 6th committee ready to go public. as the chairman announces the date of the first open hearings. good morning. and welcome to "way too early." on this friday. april 29th. i'm jonathan lemire. president biden is asking congress to fund a sweeping aid package aimed at keeping ukraine in the fight against russia for at least the next five months. the president is proposing $33 billion in military, economic, and humanitarian assistance. it's more than double the size of the nearly depleted $13.6 billion aid package that was approved last month. the president announced his proposal by acknowledging quote, the cost of this fight is not cheap.
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>> we either back the ukrainian people as they defend their country or we stand by and as the russians continue they're , atrocities and aggression in ukraine. every day, they pay the price with their lives for this front and so we need to contribute arms, funding ammunition and the economic support to make their courage and sacrifice have purpose, so they can continue this fight and do what they're doing. it's critical, this funding gets approved and approved as quickly as possible. >> the president also asked congress to enhance u.s. authority to liquidate the assets of sanctioned russian oligarchs and then take that money and donate it to ukraine. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy recorded a thank you video, saying he's grateful to the american people. he also urged congress to pass the measure quickly. however, the funding could hit a snag if senate democrats try to link it to a covid funding bill. both measures have bipartisan support. but republicans hoping to add
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title 42 immigration amendments to the covid funding oppose that tie-in. congress has passed legislation that gives president biden the ability to quickly supply ukraine with weapons on loan. the measure invokes a famed world war ii era law that allowed president franklin d. roosevelt to help british farms arm in their -- british forces to arm in their fight against hitler. it had already been passed you nanlsly by the senate earlier this month. the defense secretary lloyd austin had urged congress to pass the legislation and told reporters yesterday that the pentagon is looking at new ways to send additional artillery and air defense weapons to ukraine. meanwhile, in the war-torn country, several explosions rocked the capital of kyiv, shattering weeks of calm in that city. at least ten people were injured in the athacks that came barely an hour after talks ended between president zelenskyy and the u.n. secretary general who was touring the war-torn capital
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to assess the damage. local officials say they believe that five russian missiles hit two high-rise residential buildings in the heart of the city and the russians were trying to humiliate the united nations and says moscow's actions demand a strong response. the city has been slowly coming back to life, this month, after russian troops retreated from the area to focus their offensive in eastern ukraine. russian rockets also pounded a make-shift hospital inside that steel plant in mariupol where thousands of civilians and fighters have been holed up. ukraine's minister of foreign affairs says dozens of already wounded soldiers were killed and many were injured further in that strike. the ministry also said that the attack was a violation of the geneva convention, which lays down certain protocols for treatment of civilians during a war. in video, posted on twitter, showed people combing through the rubble, to remove the dead,
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and search for survivors. this, as the founder of the far right military group the azov battalion issued a fresh appeal saying quote, the situation gets complicated every hour, and our people need rescue. the bombing of the hospital came as the u.s. secretary general called for a cease-fire in the besieged port city, and the opening of evacuation corridors. saying quote, thousands of civilians need life-saving assistance. he also called the situation in mariupol a crisis within a crisis. meanwhile, president zelenskyy said in a telegram message that ukraine is ready for quote immediate talks, with the help of the u.n., to evacuate civilians in that port city. joining us now, live from lviv, ukraine, nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. raf, good morning. thank you as always for being here today and we heard from president zelenskyy really pushing for the idea of the humanitarian corridors to get civilians outside of that steel plant which has become in many
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ways the alamo for ukraine encircle bid russian forces. what more do we know about this plan. is there any sense that the russians are going to go for it? >> jonathan, good morning. and at this hour, there is a glimmer, a glimmer of hope, for women and children, inside that steel plant, albeit a faint one. president zelenskyy's office is saying they are planning an operation today, to get civilians out of that field plant, according to reuters and not independently confirmed by nbc news, but that would be a big moment, if we were to see women and children coming out of that steel plant, after weeks and weeks of russian siege, and now the united nations has not confirmed anything but we know they did move a team down to zaporzhiazhia yesterday to be in place in case there was a window for an evacuation to go ahead. a couple of dashes of cold water on this. there is no official confirmation from the russians
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and they obviously have a say in this. they have agreed to, and renegged on humanitarian corridors in the past, and we have also spoken this morning, to a ukrainian marine, down in the tunnels underneath that steel plant, and he says there has been talk every day for the last four days of evacuations, and they haven't materialized. he says he's not seeing anything this morning so far that suggests that this evacuation is going to go ahead. and jonathan, that's one of the things that is so striking about this siege. these people with barely any food, barely any water, unable to see the daylight, they have cell service. so they can communicate with us, they can tell us about the almost unimaginable conditions down there and president zelenskyy telling "time" magazine he texts or calls with the commander of that ukrainian marine unit every single day getting a sense of what it is like for those forces, so jonathan, we will see what happens in the coming hours. you and i have talked in the past that there is a you know
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verse in which putin wants this siege at the steel plant to end so he can take full control of mariupol, so he can free up his troops there and sends them to the eastern front but this is feeling like it may be a critical day in the weeks long siege of the steel plant. jonathan? >> we will keep a careful eye on that as the day goes on. ra f, we want to shift focus to the west here. these explosions in the capital of kyiv, shattering which had been weeks of calm, is there a sense, from the ukrainian fishes that you've been speaking to that, this was a one petulant act by russia tied to the u.n. chief's visit or do they think the war is come together capital? >> i think it's both, jonathan. there is a very clear sense in kyiv that this was designed to humiliate the u.n. chief as he walked around the suburb of boroyanka earlier in the day looking at the alleged war crimes, and president zelenskyy
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was very clear, that no russian missiles hitting the capital and an hour after they were meeting, he called for a firm response. and we know at least two residential high rises were hit in this missile strike. ten people injured. one man reportedly losing his leg in this attack. and this is part of a broader trend that we're seeing. the fighting on the ground is in the east. but the russians determined to strike every corner of this country, from kyiv, down to odesa with their missiles hitting places that they can't get their ground troops into. the russian ministry of defense says they were targeting a military production factory in kyiv last night, and they say this was a precision strike. we haven't seen evidence of that. we do know civilians were injured in this attack. and it's a reminder that nowhere in this country is out of range of vladimir putin's missiles. jonathan? >> certainly feels like another strike in their campaign of terror against civilian
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populations, nbc's raf sanchez thank you as always for your terrific reporting. still ahead here on "way too early," the january 6th committee sets a date for public hears. plus the justice department is making moves to seize more stuff from russian oligarchs and look at those yachts, and the fda wants to take a major brand of cigarettes off the market. those stories and a check on the weather when we come right back, as we take a look at a pre-dawn u.s. capitol. u.s. capitol
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the chairman of the january 6th select committee says the first public hearings will be held on june 9th. chairman bennie thompson says there will be eight hearings in all spread throughout the month of june. the chairman says donald trump jr., rudy giuliani, and republican house leader kevin mccarthy are all on the list of people the committee would like to hear testimony from. the justice department has filed
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a new lawsuit against donald trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort, the d.o.j. is accusing manafort of failing to report interest from a foreign bank account and is seeking nearly $3 million. this is just the latest in a long line of legal woes for manafort. back in 2019 you will recall he was sentenced to 47 months in prison on fraud and tax charges and released early in 2020 due to health concerns, because of the pandemic. trump later gave him a full pardon shortly before leaving office. young children in the united states may soon finally be able to get some protection from covid-19. moderna has asked the fda to authorize its vaccine for children under the age of six. this comes after cases in that age group have spiked over the last few weeks in this recent covid surge. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk has more on this long-awaited announcement. >> a year and a half after the
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first covid-19 vaccine for adults was authorized, moderna now says it has a version for childrens age six months to five years old that is safe and provides robust protection. >> when we look at effectiveness, we see excellent level of antibody in these children. >> the vaccine is two shots taken four weeks apart, 25% of the adult dose. the company says it's 51% effective for six months to two years and 37% for ages two through five. those numbers only tell part of the story, according to a doctor who helped conduct the trial. >> there is no severe disease or hospitalizations observed within the trial. but we did see some infections. >> ann marie has enrolled her twin 4-year-olds in part to protect vulnerable adults in the family. >> it was really important for us to get our kids vaccinated as soon as we reasonably could. >> but a majority of parents of young children appear much more
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tentative. >> i'm not sure, i might wait for some other kids to get it first. >> i don't think it is not necessary at this moment. >> only 28% of kids ages 5 to 11 have gotten two voses of the vaccine -- two doses of the vaccine, moderna could have the pedic vaccine as soon as june. and medical experts say that children who have been infected with omicron should be vaccinated. >> it protects against the variant and it can protect against future variants. >> and now, after a long wait, the youngest among us may soon get that protection. >> that will be greeted as good news for parents and so many young children that i know. the food and drug administration has provided a plan to ban menthol cigarettes and flavored cigars in the united states. menthol accounts for more than a third of cigarettes sold in america. the proposal would likely have the deepest impact on black
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smokers, according to a government survey, nearly 85% use menthol cigarettes, compared to just 29% of white smokers. public health experts say the landmark plan is the government's most meaningful action in more than a decade towards tobacco control. still ahead, we're recapping a huge night in sports. the nfl draft kicked off in las vegas, and three more teams are moving on in the nba playoffs. that's next, on "way too early." . . that's next, on "way too early." and disruptive muscle aches. you can count on fast, effective relief with motrin.
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2022 nfl draft, the jacksonville jaguars select trayvon walker, linebacker, georgia. >> first of all, few things unite a divided nation like
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everyone booing nfl commissioner roger goodell, it was epic but you saw him introduce jacksonville jaguars as they took georgia pass rusher trayvon walker as the first pick in the nfl draft select the 6'5", 272 pound walker over the michigan star hutchison who was then chosen by the detroit lions, his hometown team, with the number two pick. just the second time in draft history, in the first time in 31 years, the first five picks were all used on defensive players. and there was just one quarterback drafted in last night's first round. it's picket who didn't go far and got selected by the pittsburgh steelers, as number 20, and also nine draft day trade, the most in a first round since 2010, including a blockbuster that lands tennessee titans star receiver aj brown, he heads to the philadelphia eagles, in exchange for the 18th and 101st overall picks.
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brown has reportedly agreed to a four-year $100 million deal with philadelphia. the draft continues tonight. three more nba playoff teams advance to the conference semifinals last night. the dallas mavericks rallied from a 12 point half time deficit to clinch the first playoff series victory since the 2011 nba finals. the 98th and 96th win over the utah jazz last night, in game six, sends the marvs to phoenix where they will face the top seeded suns in game one of the western conference semifinals, that will begin monday. phoenix survived a scare and eliminated new orleans last night with a 115-109 win, and the top seed in the west moves on. and the city of philadelphia was growing very worried about their sixers but they didn't blow a 3-0 series lead and in fact made easy work of the raptors in toronto last night, defeating the raptors in game six 132-97
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and advancing to the eastern conference semifinal conference against the miami heat. one first round series still going out west, the memphis grizzlies have a chance to close out the minnesota timber wolves, they play game six tonight. we go to the nhl. and to ottawa, where the visiting florida panthers beat the senators 4-0 last night. and combined with the shootout win over the western conference leading colorado avalanche, the panthers clin wered the first president's -- clinched the first president's trophy for the best regular regular season. and turning to major league baseball and a cool moment on the field in atlanta yesterday. ahead of game between the braves and the cubs. chicago's all-star catcher wilson contreras shared a teary-eyed embrace with newly promoted younger brother william at home plate and the brothers got a chance to exchange line of cards where they squared off against each other at the major
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league level for the first time, and that is great to see. and braves fans loved this, too. the atlanta stars ronald acuna jr. returned for the first time since undergoing major knee surgery after he tore the right acl in july of last season and cuna is an electric talent and went one fore five and a pair of stolen bases in the you a 1 win over chicago. time now for the weather and let's go to michelle grossman and what kind of weekend do we have in store. >> we are looking really cold in the northeast and probably feeling that in dc and feeling that in new york city as well. so we do have freeze warnings, 22 million people im can't pad by the freeze warnings and the hot pick, cleveland, harrisburg and the state of new jersey and trenton, freeze warning temperatures. we will start to warm. not much today. still cool, and below normal for this time of the year but
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tracking on those drows. tomorrow, in new york city, just one degree below normal. look at what happens as we start the new workweek, we're looking at temperatures much warmer, and 75, and by tuesday in philadelphia, richmond, we're looking at temperatures into the low 80s. and switch gears and talk about the threat that we're monitoring today, through this evening, into the nighttime hours and we're looking at an enhanced risk, pretty high. and 9 million at risk. we could see hail as large as softballs. jonathan? >> michelle grossman, thank you very much, and have a great weekend. >> you too. still ahead, we're digging into the new efforts by the biden administration to go after russian oligarchs who may be evading sanctions. plus, my interview with white house economic visor jared bernstein on the heels of the new report showing the u.s. economy shrank in the first three months of the year. the first time that's happened in a while. we're back in a minute. s happend in a while we're back in a minute
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early." it's coming up on 5:30 a.m. on the east coast, 2:30 out west. it's friday. i'm jonathan lemire. this week's prisoner swap with russia is bringing more attention to other americans who are still being held there. paul reed has been in russian custody since december of 2018. the marine ved was in moscow for a wedding but was arrested on espionage charges, which he and his family say were fabricated by russian intelligence. in june of 2020, he was convicted of spying and sentenced to 16 years in prison.
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president biden released a statement following the release of trevor reed on wednesday, in it he mentions whelan and another american is not included brittney griner arrested on drug charges at moscow airport in february before the war began and very little information about griner since she was detained. an official with the state department met with her last month and says the two-time olympic gold medalist is in good condition. she has a court date coming up next week and could determine when her case goes to trial. the state department says it remains focused on the release of both americans. attorney general merrick garland says that the justice department is seeking new funding to go after russian oligarchs suspected of evading sanctions. at a congressional hearing yesterday, garland says the d.o.j. is requesting $67 million to help freeze, seize and turn over assets. this comes after the house passed a bill earlier this week, urging president biden to sell
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the frozen assets of russian oligarchs and use the money to provide additional military and humanitarian aid to ukraine. joining us now, here on set, political reporter for axios, great to see you. let's start there. and as the white house says it is running out of money, to fund ukraine, and they are looking to pick up some by converting these yachts into money passes. i think you and i would both happily take possession of one of these yachts if so asked by the government and how much of a boon here? >> a shifting strategic value. i think initially you put pressure on the oligarchs and hopefully they put political pressure inside the kremlin on vladimir putin and the inner circle and obviously these are folks with a lot of political clout in russia. i think it's clear by now that there probably isn't the domestic political pressure to shift russia's course in this invasion and turn now to creative way to create resources
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estimated at $2.5 billion worth of these yachts have been seized worldwide, belong together russian oligarchs. so you're seeing in addition to the billions that we're authorizing, officially to ukraine, it is just a way to pump a little more money into that effort, because you know, ukraine could use every dime it can get right now. >> you make a good point in the first couple of weeks of the war, it was a sense that oligarchs were unhappy with putin and protests in the streets of russia and now what is happening? >> i think there is a lot of consolidation inside the kremlin, this national spirit has really flaired up, and that was the initial hope, that whether it was with seizing yachts or massive jets or unprecedented international sanctions and an indirect way to apply pressure to putin and the inner circle and i don't think that has materialized and not shown as a deterrent effect but
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useful in other ways. >> and $33 billion in funding for ukraine. but it is not going to be so easy to get it over. there what are some of the complications on capitol hill, including how to work through it. >> obviously, republicans really, you know, they see immigration as a very potent issue right now, and perhaps understandably, and they are not going to want, to i think the idea is to tie that to sort of a covid-related package which is then in turn tied to ukraine aid, and then the bigger these packages get on capitol hill, the more objections you tend to see from both sides of the aisle. so it's something that by itself would probably refer a lot of bipartisan support. the bigger these sorts of legislative deals get, the more difficult it is to get it over the finish line. >> and lastly, one of the things that always happens here in washington, as soon as the amount of money is allotted people start asking about when is the next one coming and obviously the president suggested yesterday and officials near him saying that this is five months worth, and
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we heard from the chairman milli in the last two weeks saying this war could last far longer than that. is there any concern that officials you talked to that at a certain point the appetite from the public and congress to keep funneling money to you ukraine might run out? >> there is hefty appetite in the general public for continuing to support ukraine. but that's of course different from appetite in congress and in washington. $33 billion is about half of the size of the entire russian defense budget. so you're talking really serious money. and i think there's immense strategic value there that the pentagon and the biden administration see, but whether or not there is public support for it is different, you know, from the actual legislative nuts and bolts of getting this stuff over the finish line and especially if we potentially get into a recession, we are seeing one quarter of negative growth, i think that will be a much harder sell. >> and then an ask of this size reinforces the biden administration's goal to weaken russia to the point where it
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couldn't do something like this again. thank you as always. come back soon. and still ahead, live with cnbc for an early look at marks as wall street looks to continue a rally off of big tech earnings. we're going to have that and other business news next on "way too early." r business news nexty too early. (johnny cash) ♪ i've traveled every road in this here land! ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ crossed the desert's bare, man. ♪
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depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. can a company make the planet a better place? at walmart, we're pursuing 100% renewable energy in our operations. and aiming to protect millions of acres of land. so we can all live better. time now for business and for that, let's bring in our friend cnbc rosanna lockwood who joins us live from london. u.s. stocks rallied yesterday despite a negative economic report. can the stock market continue that momentum today? what are the early signs? >> early signs not good unfortunately. with a negative outlook on the u.s. futures, all main indices. tech is the big story of the day. amazon over 9%. after reporting earnings.
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and investment really not going down so well. and apple slightly lower. tech from asia might have been the gift for all people, the tech index in hong kong up about 10% today. more fiscal support from beijing might be supporting china more broadly. that is a green start in europe and maybe we can give it to you guys, too. >> let's hope. we heard yesterday that the u.s. economy shrank in the first quarter. and if it shrinks again for the current quarter, we'll officially be in a recession. tell us more about that. >> yes, it's been a concern that we've been highlighting for a few months now and especially for the fed as well. we w-run away inflation with prices getting higher, they raise interest rates and they don't want to tip the economy into a recession and we don't want stagflation and the u.s. labor markets are going along quite well and keep an eye on that and plenty of people are
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asking me, are we back in the financial crisis or recession and to that, no, i graduated in that in 2009, the economic drivers at this time are different and we might come out of the recession a bit quicker. >> after some depressing recession talk, let's send us into the weekend in a more light note. tropicana wants us to change up the breakfast routine. what can you tell us about the company's new venture? >> yeah, i don't know, i think it sounds like a clever way to get people to buy, not one, but two tropicana ingredients, with the orange juice makers and it is the cereal which you can pour orange juice on instead of work, and i thought it was star wars day, and they created the perfect kind of pairing so you can quote tip your sunshine and eat it, it, and whether you hate it or love it, we know you'll try it, and i think we will. >> one obviously for morning shows, we care about breakfast
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back now to the economy, and new data shows that the united states economy shrank in the first three months of the year after strong growth to close out 2021. analysts say the economy contracted largely because the government cut back on pandemic-related spending. but there are plenty of other factors at play, from supply chain woes to the war in ukraine. and we're certainly feeling the fallout from the gas pump to the grocery store. at the white house yesterday, i caught up with jared bernstein,
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a member of the council of economic advisers and we had a wide-ranging conversation about what is affecting americans and the gdp report for financial america. >> we don't want to always interpret one quarterly or monthly number and we have volatile things, with inventory buildup and that is important is we had strong consumer spending and strong business investment. if you look at those components, which are much more kind of the core of the economy's growth, you actually get a 3.7% growth rate, so that's relatively strong. and interestingly, analysts across the board, this isn't just us, markets as understood that once you get under the hood of the report, the negatives look pretty volatile, pretty temporary, relative to the positives. >> so with this report, combined with, there is a warning, there are some banks, that a recession could be on the horizon. does the white house feel that?
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>> certainly we're keeping track of all of the recession probabilities that the markets an banks are putting out but the argue is that the economy is a matter of head winds and tail winds right now. the tail winds are very strong. probably most important is the job market. there is also a very strong unemployment insurance report this month showing rates that were, going back to the 1970s to see such strong job growth as far as those claims go. and so if you look at the factors that are pushing the economy forward, people have strong balance sheets, and net worth is elevated, and strong jobs, and wage gains and you've seen a lot of talent pushing the economy forward. against that, there are the head winds most notably inflation and they show up in the gdp report as well and you balance all of those out, we see steady growth going forward. >> let's talk about it. you just mentioned inflation. that of course is the primary concern, for voters and the head wind as you say for the economy.
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what was your move on what the administration is trying to do? >> the president has detailed all of us, thinking about the economy, right now, to work on this issue of trying to ease the inflationary pressures facing households and their budgets. this means our work at the ports. we know that something i never used to talk about, dwell time, how long containers are spending in the ports, that's down 50%. shelves are stocked at about 90%. which is about as good as it gets. and if you look at his competition agenda, trying to make sure that there's enough competition between firms and industries that are overly concentrated, so consumers can benefit from that, if you look at his energy policies of course, and we're releasing millions of barrels of oil into the energy supply part of the economy, all of those are near term help to ease inflationary pressures. of course, we got to do much more. the president consistently points out what a challenge these inflation rates are to household budgets. >> so a democrat goes to the
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white house and just puts the two g's, gasoline and groceries. and let's take them one at a time. >> sure. >> gasoline first. fuel prices obviously have gone u considerably, i know the president squarely puts the blame on president putin and his invasion as part of the reason and what are the trends that you're seeing. >> as you look at the putin price hike, and russian's invasion of ukraine very clearly putting real pressures on commodity prices in general, of course energy, gasoline, food, also fertilizer, other metals, and the president has been up front with the american people, those are some costs that that invasion is generating. >> the other part is groceries. >> yes. >> we've seen prices of corn, soybeans really sore in recent weeks. whack what can the administration do, what can the administration do about that for americans who are frankly having trouble putting food on the
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table. >> one of the things the president tried to do in the food space is the meat packing sector, there are four companies that control 85% of all of the production of beef and pork in this country and he is talking about how critical it is to lower the barriers of the entry into the industry which the american people can benefit from competition and put downward pressure on prices. >> finally flashing back to europe and the russian invasion of ukraine, and germany announced phasing out of russian energy and sanctions on the energy industry as well, which could have a global impact and some economic issues could lead to a recession. >> thus far, if you look at the impact of the invasion on energy prices, you certainly see pressures there. especially at the pump. but you also see inventions. particularly from this president. around release of barrels from
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the strategic reserve. historically significant ones. and the adding of ethanol e-15, particularly in the midwest, but also increases the supply of gas. it's a good granular example of these cross-cutting pressures. again, we're everything we can to help offset the very type of pressures that putin's unjust and murderous invasion is leading to. and, as the president has been very clear about, that's going to cause some cost pressures. but many of the interventions that we've taken have helped so far. we're going to keep pressing on them. >> that was my conversation with white house economic adviser jared burnstein. thanks to him. up next, the u.s. gets behind an expansion of nato. coming up on "morning joe," live reporting from the ground in ukraine as russia launches new attacks across the country. department national security adviser john finer is a guest. plus, we'll hear from the armed
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secretary of state antony blinken told lawmakers that the u.s. would strongly support sweden and finland if they chose to join nato. blinken did not provide a timeline but told the house hearing it is, quote, under very active consideration by both countries. sweden and finland expressed interest of joining the organization since russia's war on ukraine began. secretary general said yesterday the two countries would embraced with open arms and could become members quite quickly. germany is no longer opposed to an embargo on russian oil. according to the "wall street journal," german representatives to the european union are dropping objection to a full
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russian oil embargo, as long as berlin is given time to get alternative supplies. this comes after russia shut off gas to poland and bulgaria. germany is heavily reliant on russian energy imports and previously opposed a full ban. the shift paves the way for the eu to ban crude imports from the kremlin. joining us now, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments, one of our favorites, elise jordan. she is also an msnbc political analyst. good morning. great to see you. calls for the eu to enact a full ban on russian gas is growing. we mentioned russia cut off supplies to poland and bulgaria. germany now dropping their objection. how prepared is your sense of it, is russia -- i'm sorry -- is europe willing to cut supplies, and what would be the implications of that move? >> well, germany coming forward and actually doing this, you
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know, this many months into the war, is significant. i do worry about what the ripple effects within the german economy is. a looming worldwide recession, although the white house economic adviser just batted that suggestion away in an interview. i worry about the ripple effects, but in terms of what we should be doing to weaken russia, this is a great move. this is going to lead the way for the total eu ban. >> so we'll recall in the run-up to the war that one of the excuses offered by vladimir putin is that nato expansion was a threat to russia. well, all his invasion has done is made more countries inclined to join nato. but he has now warned, both finland and sweden, of serious military and political consequences if they become members. how do you see this playing out? i know something you worked on for a long time. what's the -- how do -- what's the future for the countries and nato as a whole? >> you know, jonathan, i was in
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the bush white house working on some of the messaging around the expansion of nato back in 2006. was it 2006 or 2007? yes, this has been a long debate and a long discussion. you look at how vladimir putin has really upended the world order since his unprovoked invasion of ukraine. it's this right here. who would have thought back in early january that we'd be looking at finland and sweden having nato membership by possibly the summer? you know, this could happen as quickly as the next nato summit in madrid in june. and vladimir putin has a lot of rhetoric, charged rhetoric these days. he, you know, threatens a lot of things. i wonder, given how overextended he is in ukraine, i think that provoking sweden and finland and
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acting out, lashing out because of nato expansion, i just don't see how that's actually in the russian interest at this moment. >> yeah. as much as putin wants to frame the conflict for those back home as russia versus the west, you know, he doesn't really seem to have the military to be able to take on nato, were he to expand that fight. particularly because ukraine is getting a reinforcement of weapons. elise, let me get your take on what the president asked for yesterday, a $33 billion package. do you think that's enough? will congress play ball? and do you think that even more could be needed if this conflict runs beyond the five months or so this funding is supposed to last? >> jonathan, definitely more funding is going to be needed. at the current rate that the war is going, this could go on for a while. this could go on for years. so, you know, do we want to just -- it's a choice. do you want half measures? do you want to keep the
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ukrainians well supplied with arms, push back the russians? or is the world going to step in and do something that actually, you know, causes this to end? or are we going to have some kind of negotiation? that's the real sticking point here. what is acceptable to vladimir putin? what is going to be acceptable to zelenskyy and the ukrainians who have suffered so much because of this unprovoked war? and the arms can keep flowing, but it's only going to -- the human casualties are going to continue to grow if we have an infinite war with no end in sight. >> elise jordan, we thank you for having you here and hope to have you back soon. to underscore elise's point, biden officials i talked to yesterday in the hours after the president made his request for this funding, they do worry that this is a conflict that could last well beyond the five months. could stretch up to a year or more. this is something we hear from president zelenskyy, as well. he is concerned that he is going
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to start losing the world's attention, as the war becoming a constant backdrop. not every day producing huge headlines. they'll turn into this slog and, therefore, the ability of the united states, the willingness of the united states and europe to keep supplying them with the equipment they need can fade. that's what he is afraid of. that's why we hear from him each and every day. thanks so you for getting up "way too early" on this friday morning and all week long. "morning joe" starts right now. the cost of this fight, it's not cheap. but caving to aggression is going to be more costly if we allow it to happen. russia is the aggressor. no if, ands, or buts about it. russia is the aggressor, and the world must and will hold russia accountable. >> president biden as he urges congress to approve a massive new aid package to help ukraine fight against russia. he wants quick passage, but we'll explain how the fight over

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