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documents to lawyers who the committee says promoted the big lie, and participated in attempts to disrupt or delay the certification of the election results. rudy giuliani, sidney powell and jenna ellis. the panel also sent a subpoena to boris epshteyn. the committee's letter to giuliani says between mid-november 2020 and january 6th, 2021, and thereafter, you actively promoted claims of election fraud an behalf of former president trump and sought to convince state legislatures to take steps to overturn the election results. the panel says sidney powell and jenna ellis also pushed claims of election flawed. for boris epshteyn, committee he reportedly spoke with trump on the morning of january 6th about options to delay the certification of the 2020 election results. the panel says he reportedly attended meetings at the willard hotel where trump allies
reportedly led a war room on efforts to overturn joe biden's win. now, in case you have forgottens baseless fraud allegations and conspiracy theories the trump legal team put forward as they tried to keep biden from the presidency, here is a little reminder. >> it was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud, specifically focused on big cities and specifically focused on, as you would imagine, big cities controlled by democrats. there are other aspects of this fraud that at this point i really can't reveal. they conducted themselves in a way that suggests there was fraud. one of the things that does involve fraud is not making it possible for the people who were supposed to inspect, to inspect. that's a fraud. that's a fraud on the voters. >> what we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by
the day is the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba, and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states. >> if the united states caves to corruption or this type of election integrity disaster, then no election will be secure from here on out. and we all need to be keenly aware of that. we won't be intimidated. president trump will not be intimidated. >> tonight the january 6th committee member adam schiff commented on the new subpoenas. >> rudy giuliani was really at the center of things. he was one of the most aggressive promoters of that big lie about the election. he was involved in trying to get these state legislators to send alternate slates of electors or to delay sending slates of electors. they were involved in urging the
president reportedly to seize voting machines. that's the kind of thing you see in the developing world. our inquiry is broader than what just happened on a single day. it's all of the multiple lines of effort to overturn the election. >> now, today was also the day that senate democrats began their effort to pass voting rights protections. debate got underway this afternoon. voting is now expected to take place tomorrow evening, but republican opposition as well as resistance to changing the filibuster from at least two democrats in the senate mean almost certain failure. despite that, democratic leader chuck schumer made it clear he will still pursue a vote and a rule change. >> the eyes of the nation will be watching what happens this week in the united states senate. if republicans choose to continue the filibuster, their filibuster voting rights legislation, we must consider and vote on the rule changes that are appropriate and
necessary to restore the senate and make voting legislation possible. >> the partisan election takeover bill that democrats want to ram through this week are not, not in any way successors of the civil rights legislation from the mid-20th century. some of our colleagues across the aisle reconfirmed they have the courage and the principle to keep their word and to protect the institution as well. but too many colleagues want to respond to a 50/50 senate with a rule-breaking power grab. >> earlier this evening majority leader chuck schumer added this. >> if the republicans block the length slayings before us, i will put forward a proposal to change the rules to allow for a talking filibuster on this legislation. >> meanwhile, several groups are pushing the senators to enact voting rights.
today the naacp president derrick johnson sent a letter to all 100 senators in which he wrote, our democracy may be standing in its final hour. the bedrock of freedom in america lies in our sacred right to vote. we still have time to act, but the window of opportunity is rapidly narrowing, end quote. >> with that, our leadoff guests on this tuesday night. ashley parker, a white house bureau chief with "the washington post." carol lehning is an investigative reporter, also with "the washington post." and coauthor of with philip rucker. "new york times" bestseller i alone can fix it. daniel goldman a former u.s. attorney for new york, general counsel for the house intelligence committee during donald trump's first impeachment. welcome to all of you. thank you for joining us. carol, starting with you, how big a deal are tonight's subpoenas? >> it gets right down to the core, the core group that was around donald trump in the days and actually weeks of efforts to
try to push the big lie and to try to block a peaceful transfer of power. to me it's pretty striking the group chosen here. they are lawyers. they gave the president legal advice, but they also were meeting and giving him advice about how to lie to the american public and how to kind of mangle the constitution, which they didn't appear to understand very well, to make claims about why vice president pence could block the election certification for joe biden, then the president-elect. these subpoenas also go to the heart of individuals who were with the president and speaking to him directly, which i think is really key, ali. people who know what the president said about these efforts to mislead the public and do it in multiple stages. >> daniel, let's talk about executive privilege. a number of people said they don't have to give this
committee evidence because of executive privilege. rudy giuliani's lawyer, robert costello, called the subpoena political theater and said, mr. giuliani would be covered by executive privilege should mr. trump invoke it as well as attorney/client privilege. can you please explain these two privileges and how they come into play here? >> certainly. and that is true, but only those privileges are at play, but only as to donald trump. it's important to remember that the letters requested information about conversations that at least some of these individuals had with members of congress as well, which of course would not be subject to either privilege. executive privilege is the concept that the president should be able to have free d discussions with his senior staff and those around him without fear that it would come out later in a congressional hearing or in other matters. and so it pertains to
conversations that donald trump had himself with others around him. it does not include conversations that are unofficial, perhaps well the campaign, and certainly the supreme court has held it does not include conversations that relate to improper misconduct or other illicit activity. attorney/client privilege includes potentially jenna ellis, sidney powell and rudy giuliani, who at various points represented either the campaign or donald trump. the problem with attorney/client privilege for these individuals is that there is an exception for attorney/client privilege under the crime fraud exception, which basically means that if you are doing something improper, illegal, fraudulent, then the attorney/client
privilege cannot be a shield to the disclosure of that information. the bottom line, neither of them are good privileges, would probably hold up in a court of law, but there is certainly at play and could hinder the january 6th committee from getting this information without going to court. >> ashley, rudy giuliani and donald trump have been close for years, although they did run against each other for the primary for the republican nomination. can you remind us of the kai nam dynamic between these two while donald trump was president and why rudy giuliani would be so important to the committee? >> absolutely. so rudy giuliani when donald trump was president, you have to keep in mind trump came into office not knowing sort of the typical people you would know if you had come up through a traditional path. say, a governor, a house member, a senator. he didn't know many people in washington. so his core group of supporters and allies and people he trusted
were people he had known from new york, from the business world, and one of those people was rudolph giuliani. so giuliani often had a sort of unofficial role in the president's orbit. sometimes his personal attorney. but a very outsized one, someone trump would call late at night from the residence, you know, kind of get around his various chiefs of staff to get in touch with him. trump likes the way giuliani fought for him on television and inside the white house. so well before january 6th, rudy was making trouble, creating chaos and unnecessary headaches for the official white house team. but they couldn't really control him or rein him in because then-president trump liked what he was seeing in his friend. >> let's talk about what this means in terms of the narrative, where the committee is as it narrows in. you mentioned this in your first
response, as it narrows in that circle around donald trump. is this as close as it gets before you get to donald trump and/or his children? >> it's pretty darn near as close as you can get to the children and melania. remember, rudy was having -- and steve bannon were having more conversations with donald trump in this time period than his own family members were. i covered prosecutors for a long time, so i sometimes think like them. but these are concentric circles of witnesses. as we get closer and closer, what's happened? we are getting towards sort of the end. you can feel not the very end, but close to the end. and the committee's had all this time, 400 witnesses they have already interviewed. you can imagine that strategically what they have done is moved through the circles. they have talked to people who talked to rudy giuliani or on the receiving end of his emails, spoke with sidney powell when she gave her slightly cuckoo for
cocoa puffs claim that venezuela had somehow interfered in our election through machines designed by hugo chavez. you can imagine these concentric circles are closing in where the committee has information about what these four people saw, did, said, and they want to ask them-point blank, do you dispute this? another thing that's really important is these individuals were pushing things that were so clearly fraudulent. and so i would echo what daniel said. jenna ellis was pushing the idea that the constitution barred pence from opening the envelope. well, jenna ellis doesn't have any constitutional law experience as we've learned in the last several months, and she fabricated some of her claims about her experience with constitutional law. sidney powell, we've already
discussed the venezuela issue. boris epshteyn and rudy giuliani were on a podcast with bannon. forgive me. let me be clear. giuliani was on that podcast with bannon pushing the idea that state lawmakers could participate in blocking the certification of this election and they were working with donald trump. lots of these things had falsehoods built into them, and that's also critical as we see the committee trying to seek answers from these people for why they were making the claims they were making on donald trump's behalf. >> daniel, you have the benefit of having seen this from a few perspective. you were a prosecutor and you watched on the first impeachment of donald trump. we got a lot of information out of the impeachment that wasn't public knowledge, things that happened behind closed doors. in this case, these lawyers, giuliani and ellis and sidney powell, they did everything -- it's like we saw it happen at
the same time. what does the committee get or learn or how do they benefit from subpoenaing them and their testimony? >> well, a number of things. we would get the conversations that they had with others behind the scenes. you might get information about the fact that they knew what they were promoting was completely bogus. you might get information about donald trump's mental state. was he aware that the lie that he was pushing was actually fraudulent? this all relates, i think, a little bit more towards a criminal investigation. were they trying to fraudulently overturn the election? then it does, to january 6th per se. but certainly it relates to the lead-up to january 6th. but there is an incredible amount of information that you would get not only just about the conversations that they had, but also pressing them, cross examining them about these
claims, about whether they believed them about the influence that they had, who else was involved. the list goes on. but it raises another issue, ali, an additional privilege, so to speak, which is at least sidney powell and rudy giuliani we know are currently under criminal investigation, and certainly the big lie has to at some point fall under the broader investigation of the department of justice. so they may have fifth amendment privileges available to them as well. >> ashley, let's talk about the white house. there are two sides to this worrying about democracy coin. one is getting to the bottom of january 6th. the other is the voting rights bat until the senate right now. what's the white house's thinking tonight? >> the white house knows what anyone who is following this knows, which is as of now at least democrats are set up to fail because they have at least two members who said they will oppose any sort of rule change
that would allow the democrats to pass these two pieces of voting rights legislation. but the white house, if you saw, press secretary jen psaki sort of said this is of critical importance. it's fundamental to the democracy and important to move forward on the vote and have every senator on the record for where they stand in this moment of history. that was something president biden said similarly, sort of a new aggressive tone and posture in his voting rights speech in atlanta the other day, the same thing, that this is one of the things he ran on, the existential crisis of our time, and they need to push forward and move forward in any way they can, and at the very least lay down a marker of who voted on what and who stood where in this critical moment. >> thank you to the three of you for kicking it off tonight. ashley parker, carol lehning and daniel goldman. the great see set.
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courtrooms. they were spreading it in official and unofficial ways, and remember, our committee is not a criminal investigatory committee. our committee is an investigative committee for the american people to figure out what happens happened to us and how did we get set up for a situation we almost lost our democracy. >> for more on our breaking news on then january 6th committee subpoenas, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager, and michael steele, the former chairman of the republican national committee, former lieutenant governor of maryland and host of the michael steele podcast. there has been a cast of intriguing characters who have been investigated and subpoenaed by the committee. some of them are names the public had never heard before, including jeffrey clark. some senior and important people but you didn't know what they were up to. these four who have been subpoenaed today are names
everybody knew and watched in real time. what do you make of these subpoenas and what do you think it means about where the committee is? >> it's getting closer. this is the clown car that was surrounding him. you know, really prior to the election, as they set this all up, that the election may be rigged, and then from election day all the way through january 6th. so it's getting closer and closer to trump, and, you know, hopefully, at the end of the day we are going to, a, learn what happened and who was involved, b, there will be consequences, and c, we to everything possible to make sure this is a one-time event. we are surrounded every day by evidence that consumer protection 2.0 is underway. essentially, in trump's corner, irregardless of how people voted who would call the election the way he sees it. this could not be more grave in terms of the threat to democracy. these are people surrounding the oval office, the desk in the
oval office, on conference calls with trump, you know, all day long. so they were witness to the insurrection and how it was organized. >> michael steele, david calls it the clown car that was driving this thing. but when we watched it, when you watched the press conferences, the stuff that sidney powell would come up with or jenna ellis or rudy giuliani at the four seasons landscaping company in philadelphia, it -- a lot of people didn't take it seriously. they did think it a clown car. what is the danger here? we're now seeing the intersection of what we were watching in public with what was going on at the willard, war room at the willard and the department of justice and realizing how much -- how serious this could have been. >> yeah. i think david put it just right. they were clowning around with their law degrees. they were clowning under the color of their profession as attorneys and using that profession and using the, you
know, the importance of those degrees, particularly talking on a subject as important as, you know, elections and the process and all of that in such way as to confuse, obfuscate and, in many cases, lie. and so the consequences are, as we've already seen played out for some of these characters s is not just what's in front of them right now, but what's already come before with, you know, various actions taken against them in their standing in the legal community. i think for the public, what they have to understand is just what those actions have wrought. the response from professionals in the legal community, from judges who heard their cases, and now from the january 6th committee. all saying the same thing. a, there was no fraud, and, b, the fraud was actually what was being perpetrated by the individuals standing before the court and now standing before
this committee on capitol hill. and i'm hoping the public understands and takes to heart exactly what that means, that the big lie was in fact that. and that anyone out here still pushing it is lying to you and needs to be shut down. you know, to david's point, we'll see how seriously now the committee moves to enforce the subpoenas, to bring that pressure, yes, as congressman raisman said they don't have the legal authority to prosecute. that's not their strength. but they do have the ability to make a compelling case that the justice department, when they get this, can only prosecute. >> this is interesting. david, when congressman raisman was speaking to rachel he said they don't have criminal, you know, criminal authority, but they do represent the american people, and the point here is that through these hearings if the american people can be
convinced of the wrongdoing that occurred and the things that need to be put in mace to prevent it from happening again, that would be a good thing. people aren't really moving on this. do you think these subpoenas and the idea of public testimony by some will move the needle on public opinion to make people realize what michael was just talking about? >> you know, not with the diehards. but they are not going to be moved by anything. the maga diehards. i think the more there's testimony from people who are as close to donald trump as you could get, i hope some of these hearings happening in the evening where they will get more original viewing. so, yeah, i think overtime, listen i think where we are is basically two-thirds of the country thinks what happened was wrong and are worried about democracy. by the way, that should be 95%, but it's not. we can't change that right now. but, obviously, it matters what the justice department thinks about this because while this committee does not have criminal jurisdiction, the findings in these committees, obviously, are
things the doj can take forward. and look at all the people who were there on the 6th who have pled guilty, will serve time in prison and the people who organized this, who funded it, who had the idea in the first place, who continued to say it was the right thing to do so far have not been held accountable from a criminal standpoint. and i think that, hopefully, that changes because, again, this was kind of a hapless crew around him. the next one won't be. it will be well organized. it will be better staffed. it will be more airtight. and that's, you know, what we have to prevent. i think the consequences of the last one have to be strong enough to help, hopefully, be a deterrent for the planning on the next one. >> guys, as always, thanks for your analysis. david plouffe and michael steele are staying with us. we'll be right back. e staying w. e staying w. we'll be right back.
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we have some breaking news. moments ago new york attorney general letitia james posted on twitter, we are taking legal action to force donald trump, donald trump jr., and ivanka trump to comply with our investigation in the trump organization's financial dealings. welcoming back daniel goldman. he serve ds as general counsel for the house intelligence committee during the first trump impeachment. i don't know if you had a chance, this is brand-new information, to go through the reporting on this. it seems that the attorney
general of new york state is making the case that donald trump, donald trump jr. and ivanka trump provided misleading financial representations to institutions at the former president, quote, had ultimate authority over a wide swath of conduct by the trump organization involving misstatements to counter parties, including financial institutions and the internal revenue service. what do you make of this if you had a chance to look at it? what is new in here and important? >> what's new is some details about what her civil investigation relates to. we've known there has been an ongoing civil investigation into the trump organization in the attorney general's office, which is separate and parallel to the criminal investigation that the attorney general is involved with as well as the manhattan d.a.'s office, who is leading that investigation. and it was certainly around the trump organization's finances. but now what we are learning from this filing and that press release tonight is that the
allegations are that donald trump, donald trump jr. and ivanka trump were very involved in exaggerating or misstating statements of assets and finances in order to obtain loans, insurance, and tax credits. and to overinflate the value of various properties. there has been some suspicion since michael cohen's testimony in the house almost two years ago that this is the investigation. michael cohen said that they, the trump organization, would inflate the valuations of some of their assets in order to get larger loans, and then deflate the same assets in order to pay fewer taxes. so what we are now learning is that the new york attorney general's office is indeed investigating that as part of
the civil investigation, and is seeking to force the former president, his son, donald jr., and ivanka a to sit for depositions. they already filed a negotiation to quash the subpoenas in court and the attorney general is now responding to those motions in this court filing. >> there are -- it's a lot of reading. for people interested in this sort of thing, there is a lot of detail in here as to what they allege the misstatements were. there are a lotov them. one of the more interesting things here, we know that these allegations go back some time. the attorney general of new york relates to things going back to at least 2004. but what's most interesting is the fact that until 2017 the former president had sway over some of these decisions and then since 2017 ivanka trump was the main conduit. so the issue at hand here is how close or how far the former president was to the more contemporary of these
allegations, letting alone the stuff that we know about or we believe to know about that is a little bit older. >> from the little that i have been able to read in the last couple of minutes, it does appear that the allegations that i have seen at least are that the former president's role in overseeing these statements and certifying these statements ended around the time that he took over and donald trump jr. largely took over while ivanka trump handled the relationship with deutsche bank. but what's interesting is that deutsche bank is also one of the banks that is alleged to have potentially been defrauded, and the key conduit at deutsche bank is a woman named rosemary vrablik who at least i think there has been some public reporting that she has met with investigators to explain at least her side of the story, deutsche bank's side of the
story. so there is certainly a lot of information that is available to the attorney general. some of the trump organization's accountants also has been in front of the investigators. the interesting thing, and this is a little inside baseball, ali, is it's unusual to be pushing so hard on a civil investigation that has a parallel criminal investigation. you cannot use a civil investigation as a stocking horse to develop evidence that you could then use in a criminal investigation. and that's one of the arguments that the trumps' lawyers make why these subpoenas and or depositions are inappropriate now. and it is a legitimate argument. so it will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. >> the trump legal team prior to tonight had addressed this issue in which they said the state attorney general is engaged in a criminal investigation that has an active grand jury. it cannot issue subpoenas for
testimony under the guise of a civil investigation that will immediately become available to its own criminal investigation, the lawyers argued in their motion to quash the subpoenas. the subpoenas are an improper end run around rule. this is a civil investigation that letitia james is talking about. what are the potential penalties for something like this versus a criminal investigation? >> well, the primary penalty is money damages. in a civil investigation, there are ways, depending on the types of organizations that the organization or the entity would have to be reformed, reshaped, or there may be punishments in terms of being a director for some individuals. that happens more with charitable organizations, which is what happened with the trump foundation, you may recall, that the new york attorney general sought to dissolve the trump
foundation because it was essentially being used as a slush fund, not for the purpose that it was designed for. and the board of directors of that trump foundation, which were the children of donald trump, were prohibited from being a board member for any charitable organization for a number of years. so there can be penalties depending on what type of organization there is. but primarily it will be fines and damages. by the way, that could be a lot of money and could have a significant impact on the ability of a corporation or an entity such as the trump organization to continue operating depending on -- [ inaudible ]. >> i might have lost you there. >> looks like our internet might have just run out of juice. we appreciate you sticking around to help us analyze this.
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one of the most powerful voices we hear in the country today is from our young people. they are speaking to the inequity and injustice that has grown up in america. economic injustice. racial injustice. environmental injustice. i hear their voices. if you listen, you can hear them, too. it will be the work of the next president to restore the promise of america to everyone. >> my next guest argues those young voices that then-candidate joe biden mentioned played a critical role in his presidential victory. in his new book, john della volpe explores the misunderstood and powerful influence of
generation-z in changing america. now, pew research center defines gen-z or zoomers as though between the ages of 10 and 25. he writes this. quote, zoomers have endured more adversity than any generation of young americans in at least 70 years. and they know it. torez the failure of older generations to resolve these challenges weighs heavy on them. for them, america at times has resembled a dystopia. but they won't sit back and take it. they've decided to fight their own war against injustice and inequality right here at home. they can be this century's greatest generation. end quote. with us tonight the aforementioned john della volpe, director of polling at the harvard institute of politics. he was hired by the campaign to lead youth polling. fight, how gen-z is channeling their fear and passion to save
america. thank you for being on the show tonight. let's answer that question. how is gen-z channeling their fear and their passion to change america? >> thanks so much for having me, ali. as you mentioned earlier from the president's remarks, i don't think there has been any generation in at least 75 years who has endured more trauma, more quickly than this generation, generation-z. in fact, most things that we think we know are actually just wrong. millions lost their homes to the great recession. they go to school and their schools are unsafe. the south africa exist place is unsafe because of lockdowns, school shootings. the whiplash from obama to trump, global warming, concerns about their fundamentals of our democracy. what this generation has said is that they have this urgency in other generations have let them down. they are choosing to fight.
they're choosing to empower themselves and to change the very nature of what it means to be american and to fight for this democracy. they are angry and they are more determined than any generation i think in america today. >> so that's a hopeful message, john. but in there you talk about their anger and their fear. given fear and anger, what's to stop gen-z from falling for fear-mongering politicians looking to exploit that anxiety? that's what donald trump did to a different op population. why would this group shall less is susceptible to falling for conspiracies and nonsense than older generations? >> well, clearly, there is a segment that does fall, frankly, for that. it's not monolith. people have said for many, many years this incredible b.s. detector, right? they can sense injustice. unlike any group of people i
have seen, they stand up and they use their voice when it's in a maul focus group or town meeting, in the school cafeteria or related to our elections. in 2018, in 2020, we saw record turnout among this generation. when baby boomers had a chance, middle schools had a chance, gen-x'ers had a chance. they broke all records in 2020 even when obama was on the daylight saving time. gen-z when millennials, they will outvote them in 2024. their differences in values and opinions are night and day when it comes to politics. >> john, in the last few years we have seen a number of people motivated to get involved in politics for an actual fear of the erosion of democracy. when it comes to gen-z, are they worried about big things like democracy or worried about big
things that are affecting their lives like climate, like gun violence, like social justice. in other words, does it all add up to democracy or is it a different set of concerns? >> it absolutely does. there is a significant concern about our state of our democracy, concern about the potential of civil war, like your guests earlier talked about. that was a key finding from the last iop survey we released in december. but there was -- there is five factors that have led to the formation of this generation's values. the first is the occupy movement. it wasn't led by a gen-z, but it clearly had a significant impact in how they think about economy, capitalism, you know, very wealthy versus those who are working two, three jobs just to try to keep a roof over their they had. number two, we have trump and the chaos christmas parade when steve bannon was on the national security council, borders
closed, et cetera. number three, we have the parkland movement. we have greta thunberg who created the climate strike and in the shadow and inspired by the parkland kids. fifth, we've got 17-year-old darnella frazier, without her and her iphone on memorial day in 2020 we might not have known who george floyd was and that rise to fight systemic racism. economy, violence, the climate or racism. and no generation has solved these problems, so it's gen-z's fight to empower themselves. >> they are also the most internety generation. we will have to book more time to talk about what they encounter on the internet. an important book. john della volpe is the author of fight how gen-z is channeling their fear and passion to save america. new reporting from inside ukraine as the white house warns of a possible russian invasion
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so let's be clear. our view this is an extremely dangerous situation. we are at that stage where russia could launch an attack in ukraine. >> the white house with a stark warning over the situation. thousands of russian troops remain assembled near the ukrainian border and efforts to ease tension has been unsuccessful. chief foreign correspondent richard engle has our report from ukraine tonight. >> reporter: while russia denies it wants war, it does want the world to know it has its sights set on ukraine. new video shows russian troops preparing for battle near the ukrainian border as fresh columns of russian tanks arrive in neighboring belarus, which has said it will follow russia's lead whatever happens. russia has positioned about 100,000 troops that could invade ukraine from the north, east,
and south. a bipartisan delegation of american senators visited kiev yesterday with a message for vladimir putin, who insists it's russia that's threatened by decades of nato expansion. >> our message there will be consequences if he chooses to violate the sanctity of this democracy. >> reporter: diplomacy is in high gear. before secretary of state antony blinken arrives in kiev tomorrow, the head of nato warning war is a real possibility. >> the risk of a conflict is real. nato allies call to deses claitt and any further will come with a high cost for moscow. >> reporter: secretary of state antony blinken is due to meet ukraine's president tomorrow and russia's foreign minister on friday. russia denies reports that it has already begun to thin out its embassy here, which could be ominous sign or just more
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twice the size of the empire state building passed by the earth earlier today at 43,000 miles per hour. now, wasn't that close. it was five times as far away as the moon, but it will be two centuries before this asteroid is projected to come that close again. now, this particular asteroid was covered in 1994. it is one of thousands that are tracked by those in charge of planetary defense. nasa is actually working on a plan to defend earth from dangerous asteroids in the future. this fall nasa will deliberately crash a spacecraft into an asteroid to test their ability to redirect the asteroid's path. nbc's gadi schwartz discussed the plan to deal with potentially threatening asteroid with dr. jonathan mcdowell. >> it does seem like we will actually have a defense mechanism on the horizon, right? >> the ability to defend ourselves against asteroids is going to take a long time to
develop. so we should start now. unlike the dinosaurs, there was nothing they could do, right, we actually have the capability of to do something about this. >> and that is our broadcast for this tuesday night. with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. so florida's republican governor, ron desantis, has just submitted a proposed, new map, for congressional districts in his state. what he proposes is that florida should cut in half the -- okay. texas's largest counties are now reporting on the real world impact on -- that they are experiencing this year. over half the ballots that they are getting are being projected by the