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spike the footlong? sorry, i didn't want the delay of game. save big. order through the app. good day. this is andrea mitchell reports in washington where the white house is responding to growing national frustration over that shortage of covid tests and delivering critical assistance to schools. the biden administration announcing today it will supply k-12 schools with 5 million tests a month all in an ongoing effort to keep children and teachers safe in the classroom. the action follows a hearing where dr. anthony fauci defended himself from repeated attacks
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and misinformation. on capitol hill senate democrats, they are in intense talks with both kyrsten sinema and show manchin to try to get them to agree to a filibuster carve out on voting rights. chuck schumer threatening a floor vote even today with no hopes of passage. nato and all its allies facing off against russia today. just a few moments ago i spoke exclusively with the head negotiator for the u.s., deputy secretary of state wendy sherman. vladimir putin's spokesman mr. peskov has threatened a walk out if they don't get what they want regarding nato, and you said that's a nonstarter. do you think there's a real chance they would not resume negotiations and just go ahead with military aggression? >> i think it's quite possible
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that president putin will make a choice not to engage in diplomacy, but i also heard the spokesman say there would be rounds of discussion. so i'm not sure that choice has been made yet, and again, i would say it's a stark choice for russia. they can engage in diplomacy, de-escalate, ensure that tensions are reduced and make some real progress on issues of concern to them. or they can take a path of invasion, coercion, subversion. who knows what they will do, and they will face very steep, very grave costs to russia. i hope they choose the former. it's in their interest to do so. >> can there be real diplomacy as long as they still have 100,000 troops on the border of ukraine? >> without a doubt what the russian delegation heard today was virtually every single one
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of the 30 nations who spoke speaking as one at nato, saying that russia should de-escalate, that it is very hard to have the most and the best environment conducive to diplomacy, conducive to solving problems when you have such a threat at the border of ukraine. so i hope the russians take that onboard. i hope they take a confidence building step to de-escalate. certainly nato has taken a confidence building step by offering the nato-russia council. we offered an extraordinary session of the strategic stability dialogue. osc has put the permanent council meeting agenda to this very issue, so we have put forward an ability to dialogue and to negotiate to solve problems. what so far russia has put forth, they have come to these meetings. that's useful. but they also put things on the table they know we cannot agree to. we will not have a country to
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have a veto about who joins nato. there is a nato process. it is for the nato members to decide. there are standards setout. it's a very transparent process. no one gets a veto right over those decisions. it is a decision for nato allies. so i hope, again, that russia makes the smart choice. >> what signal are they sending by having live fire exercises within 24 hours of your sitting down with them for 8 hours first in geneva, and then they're doing live fire exercises right on the ukraine border? >> andrea, it's very hard for me to know what is in the mind of president putin. i will say there's no doubt it's meant to intimidate, meant to coerce, meant to create a threat, to put pressure, to create a crisis. there's a lot going on in the world. this is not the only challenge we're all facing. i know back in washington and here in brussels except for this interview i'm in a mask 24/7.
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we're all facing coronavirus all around the world. we're facing issues of climate change. we just had the dprk launch a missile where the security council met on monday. we've all watched the changes with great concern in kazakhstan, watching 10,000 people whose lives have been lost, and we grieve for what has happened to kazakhstan and call on authorities to bring order back. they can do that should they choose to do so. i hope that happens. so there's a lot going on in the world. this is crisis created by russia. and quite frankly, i don't understand why at this moment russia is a very big and poefrl country. they're a permanent member of the u.n. security council. they are a vast land mass with lots of resources including whale, a lot of energy resources.
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they, in fact, have the largest conventional military in europe, and here they are somehow threatened by ukraine, a much smaller country that's just a developing democracy. they say they're threatened by a brigade exercising in a smaller country that's close to russia. i don't understand how that is a threat to russia, but somehow russia feels threatened enough to amass 100,000 troops. i think president putin understands exactly what he's doing, and i again, i hope he'll de-escalate and choose diplomacy. because if he really wants all of us who heard in a single voice that spoke today of 30 nations to address some of the concerns that russia has, we can only do that in an environment that is conducive to diplomacy. certainly that's the best way to do it. >> if he doesn't invade, if he doesn't move across the border, would cyber attack, would something short of an actual
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physical ifivation also stop diplomacy and induce the sanctions? >> i think that if president putin either through invasion, coercion, subversion, hybrid attacks, some other way to undermine the stability and the governance of ukraine, if he takes action in that regard the entire international community will respond in a way that lets him know that we know exactly what has occurred here, and there are costs to continue to act that way in the world community. >> wendy sherman, deputy secretary sherman, thank you very much. thanks for taking time to talk to us today. >> thank you, andrea. >> and squloining us now for reaction to that conversation with the deputy secretary, the admiral, formernateo supreme ally commander. and bill taylor, former u.s.
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ambassador to ukraine. welcome both. admiral, what the secretary just said is that they don't have to go across the border, that a cyber attack or continued provocation, misinformation, disinformation, stirring up the militias in the dombas region there's more that would also trigger sanctions, and she says the allies all 30 strong are absolutely rock solid. do you think that's true? >> i do. i feel the nato alliance, and this is based on my conversations with many sources in europe and also with ambassador smith and others, the alliance is completely aligned on this. the question is and you heard the ambassador use an interesting word, what about a hybrid attack? a hybrid attack is kind of a mix of conventional tanks, troops, missiles, armor and cyber
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propaganda, individual assassinations potentially. this has been the russian specialty for the last -- over a decade the invasion of georgia in 2008, the prior invasion of ukraine 2014. as i score it, andrea, i think there's still about a 20% chance that vladimir putin goes big and tries to go to kiev and change the regime. but i think there's a 60% plus chance there'll be a mix. i think it's unlikely he's going to back down quietly. >> that is ominous, indeed. ambassador taylor, do you think putin is taking the threat of u.s. and european sanctions serious enough. >> i think he's taking the threat of sanctions very
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seriously, and we hear -- we hear him constantly raising this. i mean he raised it with president biden. he said, you know, if you put sanctions on us it will disrupt relations. and for generations to come, he said so he's clearly taking sanctions very serious. and i'm impressed with the unanimity, with the solidarity, with the unity of the allies. and not just the nato allies. it's eu, it's g7. and i think mr. putin must recognize that solidarity means sanctions should he decide to do that 20% serious invasion the admiral talks about or even some version of the 60% hybrid attacks that he's threatened. >> just to follow up on both of you with ambassador, why would
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he amass 100,000 troops and not back down? doesn't he have to do something? >> he's amassed those troops in order to focus the world's attention on his grievances. he will not simply back down in the face of -- of what the ambassador absolutely correctly calls this unanimity of effort. i think it is going to take some level of serious negotiation. there are areas which we can have a conversation with russia. we need to continue to confront them on this, but we also need to find a way diplomatically to take some of the tension out of the system. i think it's going to be very difficult in the weeks and months ahead. >> ambassador taylor, has putin accomplished his purpose by having -- keeping everyone guessing and having all attention on him and his grievances against the nato advances on the eastern flank? >> andrea, you just said exactly
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the right thing. all the attention on him. president putin has this thing about -- about himself, about his place in russian history. and i'm not entirely sure that the russian people would agree that an attack that kills tens of thousands of ukrainians and kills tens of thousands of russian soldiers is worth his ego. but it may be that the russian people would not go along with this kind of a -- of an attack just to place vladimir putin in the ranks of stalin. this is -- this may be a mistake on his part. so you're right, it's hard to see what's in his head. he does make these threats, but he may not have the backing that he needs at home. >> and admiral, give us your
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military perspective on just how good is the ukrainian military since this buildup since 2014 we've armed them and the ukrainian insurgents which we're flow planning to arm. >> of course ambassador taylor was aeroambassador in ukraine. i think they'll agree they've made considerable progress. we've had the troops along nato troops. they have work to do. they've improved significantly. we've moved hundreds of millions of dollars worth of armaments to them. there are training missions working with them. they will fight, and they will fight hard. and the further the russians go into ukraine because they're moving in that routing from the russian ethnic part in the east
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to the ukrainian part, kiev and to the west, they will fight very hard. they do not want a russian boot on their throat. they know what that is like. they will fight hard, and the body bags will go back to moskow. >> a brilliant forecast. thank you both. your experience is valuable to us both. we really appreciate it and ow viewers are grateful to have you on our program. and pass fail, the white house plan to get millions more covid tests into our schools and the new coordinator to oversee it. plus new fall out over that hearing yesterday with dr. fauci and senate republicans. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. d senate repus you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.
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it's been nearly two years since the pandemic started. our students and teachers tried their best, but as a parent, i can tell you that nearly 18 months of remote learning was really hard. i'm so angry that instead of helping our kids get back in the classroom, the school board focused on renaming schools schools that weren't even open . please
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children. with the surge the white house announcing a million covid tests available for k-12 schools and the white house also introducing a new -- >> reporter: andrea, obviously this is the biden administration really trying to emphasize their desire and effort to keep schools open right now amid those supply chain shortages, and the long lines for tests around the country, the administration announcing those 10 million tests, that dedicated stream. it will be 5 million of the rapid tests, 5 additional million of the lab based pcr that will be made available to schools. but the distribution would begin as early as next week. the states will be applying through the cdc on this. this is in addition to tens of billions of dollars as part of the covid relief law that was
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passed many months ago, directed towards testing and schools and also helping schools to keep their classrooms open going forward. but this isn't the only headline on this issue the white house is making today, announcing that dr. tim inglesby, an expert on this issue is joining the covid response team to oversee its testing initiatives in their briefing today. we heard from the white house on another key issue announcing 1.5 million, 500,000 additional courses of the treatment by astrazeneca. and finally on the issue of the masks today because that's a key issue. we heard from the cdc director and director fauci noting among their priorities is that americans wear masks.
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as it relates to the concern there are not a sufficient number of good masks out there right now, the experts indicated today they're strongly considering trying to make more high quality masks available to all americans. we'll keep you posted as that conversation develops. >> and then they've got to get them to actually use them. peter? >> no doubt. >> thank you so much. and joining us now dr. zeke emmanuel, university of pennsylvania vice provost and former covid advisor to president biden. first of all, does today's testing ramp up begin to move in that direction? what about the other criticisms? >> well, andrea, if i could dissent a little bit, we were not criticizing the administration. we thought the administration -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa --
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>> we weren't. that wasn't our intention. >> it may not have been your intention, but that is certainly the way it is taken, and i've read it a couple of times. it calls them out for falling short on a number of different issues. >> no, andrea, what we did is to say in the first six months they executed their strategic plan, and then we had a shift and we needed a new revision of the strategic plan, and we were offering a suggestion about how to go. look, we're fully sympathetic to them, you know, jeff zians and all the others are working 6:00 to midnight to try to solve this problem, and stepping back and doing a strateging plan is hard in the midst of trying to address all these issues and we were helping in directing the country to what those strategic priorities ought to be. on testing, we do think that we need a plan about how we're
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going to use testing, whether we're going to use testing for people who have been positive but are asymptomatic to go back to work, for example, and these are important questions, and i do think the appointment of tom ingl pgesb, he's got a very good vision where he has to go. we've made some additional suggestions to him about closely linking the test positivity with accessing treatment like the pfizer and merck drugs, and they're i think taking this and working hard at it. >> well, you did suggest they have new markers as this has changed. i mean, notably no one predicted delta and omicron, but certainly a lot of expectations especially
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with the level of nonvaccination you're going to have a level of mutation with the level of virus out there in the world. so it should have been anticipated. and you've said since the beginning of delta, since june perhaps they certainly have been slow to respond to change their direction on a number of fronts including accepting that it's here to stay and they've got to adjust to a new normal. >> well, i think that -- i think that's the most important thing for us to understand is that covid is going to be endemic. it's going to be around us. when we can get our death rate and hospitalization rates down after this omicron spread, we're going to have to live with it around us on a regular basis and that means changing our view. vaccines are going to prevent us from having serious complications largely, may not prevent us from getting infected as you heard from from both the fda commissioner and dr. fauci. we may get it.
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and the important thing is that it doesn't force us into the hospital, we don't die from covid. it's kind of like the other respiratory illnesses. to get people vaccinated to happen faster. the second important thing is to make the indoor ventilation improve, and as you point out when there are surges or upswings to get people to wear very high quality masks that reduce the chance of transmission. >> why do you think they are still relying on what you've referred to as forgeable paper cards, which are unacceptable in the 21st century? why the reluctance for vaccine passports? why the reluctance to move more quickly on k95 or n95 masks?
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>> well, i would say on the vaccine passports i think the hostility that many people have in america in general to the government's looking over my shoulder, they're monitoring me, all the misinformation out there which is believed by a lot of people about, you know, some microprocessor being injected into them with the vaccine. this is why a government is hesitant to create a electronic vaccine certificate. on the other hand many states, and i know with washington's tacit understanding have begun to make electronic vaccine certificates available, have a common platform for them and not force people to use them but allow people to opt in with their phone. i think that is really important especially as we get to an endemic state, and we're all going to need vaccination and then some repeated boosters.
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we don't know how frequently. but to be alerted you need a booster, where to get it. >> i was wondering if you watched the hearing yesterday and watched the way tony fauci reacted to the misinformation and the egregious attacks from two doctors, marshal and rand paul, both senators. >> i agree with you, aegregious attacks and really reminded me of a joe mccarthy waving papers that were false charging them with communism, and frankly rooting the careers of dedicated civil serve wants like dr. tony fauci who served this country as head of naid for nearly 40 years and to indict his integrity is
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just appalling, and indict it in a way that just is not about his own integrity but the safety of him and his family. that is really shameful, and, you know, it's an embarrassment that this is what goes on in the united states senate in lieu of trying to get our arms around a pandemic that is still causing 1,750 deaths a day. >> well, mccarthy is probably the best analogy, and by because of the modern technology rand paul was trying to raise money on it on social media by fund-raising off his attacks against tony fauci. >> tony -- i thought tony was rightly indignant. and it, again, reminds of things that were done to bring down joe mccarthy. this is not acceptable to ruin someone on the basis of false
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innuendo. >> thanks so much, zeke. thanks for being with us today. and turning point to the president's emotional voting rights speech help or hurt to get joe manchin and kyrsten sinema onboard. that question next. this is andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. is andrea mitchell r'a hear this next one. kevin holds all my shirts and shorts. he even stuck with me through a cross country move. yeah, i named my dresser kevin. on msnbc alright. i am sold. superpowers from a spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual customizes their car insurance. ow! i'm ok! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ only in theaters december 17th. (vo) america's most reliable network is going ultra! with verizon 5g ultra wideband now in many more cities
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democrats are pushing ahead with their attempt to pass voting rights rej slagz on or before monday's martin luther king, jr. day holiday even without having the votes to pass it. in his strongest speech yet president biden endorsed a filibuster carve out for voting recognizes, something he's always opposed until now. he also warned the nation is facing a grave threat to democracy, saying senators will be judge by history. >> do you want to be on the side of dr. king or george wallace? do you want to be on the side of john lewis or bull conor? this is the moment to decide, to defend our elections, to defend our democracy. >> but the gop is solidly against the measures of voting rights, so it cannot pass. none of it can pass without
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changing the filibuster rules, rules joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are still defending. joining us now is the veteran leader of the naacp legal defense fund, which she'll soon be departing after nearly a decade heading that legal powerhouse. it's so good to see you. >> good to see you, too. >> was the president's speech a real call to action, or was he messaging exercises to satisfy the democratic base especially black voters who supported and won him the nomination and presidency? >> i think it's a great question and gets to the heart of the matter. i think the president's speech was important precisely because so many people think this issue of voting rights is an issue that only matters to black voters or to the base of the democratic party, when, in fact, as the president said yesterday it is a democracy issue. the fact that black and brown and disabled and native-american voters are being targeted by
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voter suppression doesn't change the fact that the purpose of it, the design of it is to subvert our democracy and to ensure that the outcome of elections are controlled by one political party. this is a very dangerous moment. now, to be clear myself and other civil rights leaders met directly with the president last summer, and we asked him then to make the speech that he made yesterday. so, yes, we believe that the president needs to use his bully pulpit to inform the american public about what is at stake and also to do what he did yesterday which is to speak the truth. the president as you know, andrea, served for 36 years in the senate. i've said to the president and his team no senator can outsenate joe biden. he was a leader in the senate for many years. he knows when rules have to
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accede to the constitution and to our democracy. that's the case he was making yesterday and i think he was making it as manchin and sinema but i also think he was making it to the american public and really making clear what the stakes are, that you can keep saying the words filibuster at the end of the day it comes down to where you are going to fall in history, where you're going to fall, how you want to see yourself and what is the future of our democracy and what would you have done to strengthen and protect it. >> was his message undercut by the snub from stacey abrams and other voting rights activists in georgia by not attending? >> i really don't think so, andrea. i'm not traveling during covid so that's why i wasn't there, and i actually think that -- you know, i've said that i'm rather proud that our civil rights infrastructure is now so strong and diverse that people can have different responses. this has been a year's worth of incredibly hard work by people on the ground, by those of us in
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the courtroom, by people being arrested outside of, you know, congress, by those of georgia, alabama and texas organizing and mobilizing, by those in the political process like stacey abrams. we're all frustrated. we're all angry that this legislation hasn't moved forward. and i don't fault anyone for however they choose to respond at this moment because i know they're doing the work. and so that is what we stand united in. we stand united in our goal to get this legislation passed. we know many people are just paying attention to this now, but we've been in the trenches on this for years and especially the last year, the push around these two bills. and so, no, i don't think the president's message was undercut by the decision of some civil rights leaders and organizers to continue doing their work rather than attend the speech. i think we wake up this country to understand that the people doing that work are working not only for black and brown and
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asian-american and native-american communities, they're working for american democracy. and everybody has to get involved. >> this comes at a time as you know better than anyone when you're about to leave your position. after nearly a decade of leading this historic organization as you see the rise and legitimization of white supremacy not only around the country but in the halls of congress, literally january 6th with the confederate flag unfurled which had never been unfurled in the capitol not even during the civil war and the secession, did you ever feel the mission will never be accomplished? >> no, i don't. i started out as a civil rights lawyer more than 30 years ago and i don't believe it has been in vain. i actually think this is what it makes to make the substantive change towards equality and
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democracy and the full dignity of all people. it is a long rock to roll-up that hill. andrea, you and i sat together right after charlottesville if you'll remember, and we talked then about the rise of white supremacy in this country. that was in 2017, and i sounded the alarm about the danger we were in when the president of the united states, then-president trump essentially sanctioned those right-wing nazis who were walking through charlottesville. and i talked about what the consequences of that, talked about what happens when leadership at the highest level fails, why president eisenhower was so important in calling out federal authorities to little rock. what it means when the president turns away from the core principles of equality and justice, and we are seeing the fall out of that. they are following his example. in fact, they're seeking his approval. it has metastasized throughout the country. he didn't create it, trump, but he certainly has been an
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accelerant, and it's been quite a shame to see the cowardice of so many who have gone along with this ugly part of what has been part of america since its beginning. >> well, i think we're at a stage where we all have to speak the truth and don't -- don't abide by traditional limits on what we can say on television. >> that's right. that's right. thank you for that, andrea. >> i was going to say you're a national treasure. i can't wait to see what you're doing next. thank you. and lying in state, members of congress paying respects to former senate majority leader harry reid. that up next, his lasting impact on the institution where he served for so many years. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. n msnbc.e wor. ♪ ♪
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former senate majority leader harry reid lies in state in the capitol rotunda, a rare privilege moments after senator schumer pointedly praised reid for adapting filibuster rules, an issue dominating today's fight over voting rights. >> in so many ways, so many ways harry was a guardian and a steward of the senate. he took great care of the senate as an institution, but he also knew that the senate had to adapt to changing times.
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as we confront the challenges of the coming weeks and months i take comfort knowing that harry is with us in spirit. >> reid has served eight critical years as majority leader setoff a chain of unintended consequences, though, by using the so-called nuclear option to change filibuster rules, so president obama's nominees other than supreme court justices can be confirmed with just a bare majority. when the republicans then took over mitch mcconnell went further, extending that to supreme court nominees thus allowing donald trump to get three justices confirmed. now the future of that legislative body and its rulesha hang in the balance. senator, it's great to see you. you served with harry reid for so many decades, so how do you
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remember him as a leader and as a friend? >> well, thank you, andrea, and susan, good to see you as well. a lot of things have been said about harry reid over the last number of days, and you get the sense of unanimity among democrats and clearly among some republicans how he conducted himself as a senator from nevada and also as a majority leader, minority leader. he's very inclusive in terms of involving people. i became chairman of the banking committee and acting chair of the labor committee when ted kennedy became very sick. and harry reid as a leader was very deferential to his chairs and various committees, and he was very involved. the different styles of leadership -- and harry really always involved not only his leadership team but also the committee chairs and those responsible for moving legislation. so he was a great leader to work
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with in terms of achieving the results, obviously the key achievements were obviously affordable care act, financial form legislation during the early years of the obama administration and then beyond to a number of other matters, obviously, which he played a very critical role in. so he was -- he was brief in his comments, didn't waste a lot of time. people knew when he said no he meant no. some of the most important decisions he said no. he was willing to pitch in on matters. i can recall a number of occasions when harry reid would get ahold of some member when you were having difficulty, and you never knew exactly what was said, what was offered, what was denied, but harry had a wonderful ability to make things happen. and for those of us who were chairs of committees or working on major bills, you couldn't have a better ally as a member or leader than harry reid was at those critical moments. so he made an awful lot happen because of his firmness, his confidence in his colleagues and
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his inclusiveness with people across the board to make sure we're all involved in critical issues of the day. so it's a real loss for the country that he's not still there. we miss him. i'm not sure i've talked to harry an awful lot i think there was hardly a week went by in the last five years we didn't talk at least once on many different matters just sharing information back and forth as friends. and we talked a lot about these issues that you're raising today. and again, it's hard to say how we would have functioned in this new environment that's happened over the last decade or so. but, again, a real loss. >> and susan, what about the nuclear option, the unintended consequences, if you will, of changing the filibuster rules for nominees other than the supreme court and how that, of course, backfired on democrats when the republicans took over. >> harry reid opened the door to
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what happened by eliminating the filibuster for other judicial nominees. it was predictable many said that the time would come when the filibuster was taken away even for supreme court nominee. donald trump's three supreme court nominees would not have been confirmed most likely if the filibuster was still in place. and that is part of harry reid's legacy as well. he was not apologetic about what he did. in fact, when i interviewed him in 2019 he thought it would be fine to eliminate the filibuster all together, but he thought the senate ought to be willing to change with the times that had become obstruction to action. what some democrats cautioned is let's not get rid of the filibuster at this moment if republicans win the senate in november and they want to get rid of the filibuster for the issue that is most important to them, it will look very different. that is a debate we see going on
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now, andrea. >> and as well the closing minute we've got, less than a minute actually, the president's going to go to the senate lunch tomorrow and make another appeal for voting rights and to try to get manchin and sinema, some would argue the emotional he was at could have shut the door for manchin and sinema. >> he's a person that's spent 30 years in the senate and in the house, we changed the rules in 1975. i don't want to get too much in the details, but we changed the rules of the filibuster in 1975 and for good reason at the time. we allowed other matters to move forward even during the filibuster. we changed how many senators had to be present in voting. those rule changes which there
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was a rationale for them in 1975 going back now almost 50 years now. but, frankly, i think none of the senators are talking about the changes. i firmly believe you've got to change the filibuster rules. i would like to see us go back to the filibuster rules that existed prior to 1975. i think you might have more votes for that than just eliminating it all together. again, minority rights to be heard so they're not insignificant. and there is a distinction between the chamber of the senate and chamber of the house. you pointed out the difficulties that have occurred as a result of it. so i think there is constituency for change. i'm not sure there's one for complete elimination. >> all right, we're going to have to leave it there. so good to see you and to see susan. and closing in, new subpoenas from the january 6th committee could signal more changes for the trump inner circle. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. you're watching "andrea mitchell
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new subpoenas were issued by the january 6th committee erve night this round targeting and two aides of donald trump jr. the committee now also wants to question rudy giuliani.
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joining us now the 19th editor at large erin hayes and phil rucker. phil, how could these latest subpoenas help advance the investigation, if and it's a big if, they can get the witnesses in front of the committee? >> you're right it is a big if but these subpoenas bring you closer and closer to the trump family and the kind of conversations that then president trump was having with his oldest son, don jr., and other members of the family who were with him the morning of january 6th and, of course, at that rally with him. >> don jr. was also, according to previous testimony, working through mark meadows. was he also having other conversations with his father? some people infer that he was only dealing with the chief of staff. >> well, he was dealing with the chief of staff after the rioting began, but the entire morning he was dealing directly with his father. he was in the oval office with his father then.
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>> all right. we all saw him back stage in the tent the president was preparing to give his speech afterwards. erin, what about the democratic base, the january 6th investigation isn't moving fast enough. >> yeah, i mean, well, look i think you see this continued activity by the 1/6 committee in congress in hopes of giving the report to the american people particularly because as we hit the 1/6 anniversary we still have two very diverging opinions on what happened on that day, even as the assumption was on that day that so many of us were looking at the same thing as americans, you know, the picture a year later is that the interpretations of that are very different, which is why accountability is what these progressives are pushing for both from congress and the justice department wanting to see them taking action even though that is a meticulous process and, obviously, the
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justice department is independent from the politics of how the insurrection fall out continues to unfold. >> and, phil, we have very little time but were you surprised that donald trump hung up on npr on live radio? >> not terribly surprised. clearly trump has some hostility with some of the main stream media, including npr and it was not like he was calling in the sean hannity show, for example. >> that's for sure. i'll never confuse. >> we never should. very different. >> we ran out of time. please, come back. let's have another conversation soon. and that does it for today's edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online and on twitter. chuck todd is here with "mtp daily" right after this. "mtp daily" right after this.
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