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something to keep an eye on in tomorrow's news. president biden and vice president harris are making a rare joint trip, traveling together to atlanta where the president will deliver a voting rights speech and he is expected to call out georgia republicans for what they're doing to make it harder to vote in that state. this is happening, of course, as senate democrats have renewed their push at the federal level to try to pass new protections for voting rights. senate democratic leader chuck schumer has set martin luther king day a week from today as the deadline for democrats to vote on changing the senate filibuster rules in order to get those rules passed. but the pressure here is intense. a coalition of voting rights groups that helped biden win georgia in 2020. those groups have essentially told the president in a statement don't show up in georgia without a plan to get these bills passed. some of those groups plan to boycott the president's speech tomorrow in atlanta. we shall see. msnbc will have live coverage of the president's speech tomorrow. it is expected to start shortly
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before 4:00 eastern, and we'll see you there. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the las word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. your breaking news tonight about donald trump's lawyering being engaged with the district attorney's office in georgia is important stuff, to put it mildly. i mean, that means they're in there making their arguments about why he should not be criminally charged. >> yeah. there is nothing that we can read. there is nothing that we can extrapolate directly. we can't say this definitely means the investigation is at this point, or that this is going to happen in the investigation or this is not. but to the extent that the president's lawyers i mean have a lot to deal with right now given nine pending civil suits against him for january 6, plus all the legal stuff that's happening with his business, all of this stuff, for them to be taking in-person meetings with this prosecutor's office in december, which is when we know
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these one of these meetings happened, that is news, and it means it might be a more concrete worry to them than we had previously understood. >> we're going to have neal katyal join us in a moment. i'm going to hand him that. i'm going to hand him your breaking news, among other things to tell us what does this mean when criminal defense attorneys are meeting with district attorneys who are investigating the criminal defense attorney's client. >> i wait with baited breath. i would love to hear what he those say. thank you. >> that's why we have two shows, rachel. that's why there is the follow-up show. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. thank you. well, today was not a good day for defendant donald trump, possibly criminal defendant, but definitely already a civil defendant. tonight we have the breaking news that rachel just reported that attorneys, criminal defense attorneys for donald trump have now met in person with the fulton county district
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attorney's office in georgia, which is conducting a criminal investigation of donald trump's possibly criminal interference in the georgia presidential election last year. district attorney willis announced the investigation is focused on, quote, potential violations of georgia law prohibiting the solicitation of election fraud, the making of false statements to state and local government bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office, and any involvement in violence or threats related to the election's administration. the associated press is reporting today that district attorney willis will be making a decision in the case in the first half of this year. in an interview with the associated press, the district attorney said i certainly think that in the first half of the year that decisions will be made. also today, donald trump had a very bad day in federal court.
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in a five-hour hearing involving lawsuits that could bankrupt donald trump. the five-hour hearing involved three lawsuits suing donald trump for his part in the attack on the capitol on january 6. one of the lawsuits is filed by two capitol police officers. another is filed by congressman eric swalwell, who will join us in a moment. nbc news reports that judge ahmed meta, who was appointed to the court by president obama asked trump's lawyers what do i do about the fact that the president didn't denounce the conduct immediately and in fact sent a tweet that arguably exacerbated things. what do i do about those facts that he doesn't do anything for about two hours to tell people to stand down and leave the capitol? he continued. isn't that enough to at least placably infer that the president agreed with the conduct of the people who were in the capitol that day?
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donald trump's lawyers were seeking to have the lawsuits dismissed and insisted that donald trump said nothing to provoke the attack on the capitol. once the attack was under way, judge maeda asked donald trump's lawyers, once the attack was under way, wouldn't somebody who is a reasonable person say that's not what i meant? the judge was wondering why donald trump never said that to those people attacking the capitol. you're not doing what i wanted you to do. he never said that. donald trump's lawyers argued that anything said as president can never be the subject of a lawsuit. and as lawyers do, when they think one argument might fail, donald trump's lawyers offered a second argument, which is that donald trump's comments were simply part of doing his job as president. judge maeda raised the georgia case where donald trump called the secretary of state asking him to change the vote count in
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georgia. judge maeda asked donald trump's lawyers how is he carrying out the function of the presidency by calling a state official? donald trump's lawyers argued that his job is to make sure, quote, that the laws are faithfully executed. "not the state laws," judge maeda interrupted. argued that there is no evidence of conspiracy. donald trump's lawyers saying a conspiracy has to be established before the rioters arrived, and there is no evidence there was any evidence beforehand. the judge responded "the president invited people to the ellipse. the plaintiffs contend he further encouraged them to march to the capitol and take it by force, and people accepted that. so that's not enough to establish a conspiracy?" leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california, whose lawsuit was heard today. congressman swalwell served as a house impeachment manager in the second impeachment trial of donald trump. also with us, neal katyal,
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former acting u.s. solicitor general and an msnbc legal contributor. and congressman swalwell, i normally of course go to the office holder first. but with your indulgence, i want to begin with neal to ask him about the developments in georgia, but only if that's okay. >> i think i should get some cle credits for this too. >> okay, you will. neal, i want to get your reaction to rachel's breaking news in the previous hour about donald trump's criminal defense attorneys meeting with the district attorney's office in georgia. >> so, lawrence, i have two reactions. first is it's good to see georgia doing what the united states justice department should have been doing for the last year, which is investigate what looked like a bunch of potential crimes by donald trump. maybe the u.s. justice department is. we just don't have any evidence of it. but that brings me to the second point, which is it's really good news that georgia is investigating this. and it's very, very bad if you're donald trump to have this. this is a really serious thing,
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to have your lawyers go in and meet with criminal investigators. that's not something that happens cavalierly. it certainly never happened in my lifetime, or lawrence, i suppose yours as well or most of our viewers. so it's not something law enforcement does without a really good reason. and that's particularly the case when you're talking about not you or me, but a former president of the united states. you're going to cross every t before you open up and bring those lawyers in for that inquiry. but here it was really necessary. just within 12 hours of the georgia news breaking last year, now over 365 days ago, i wrote a "new york times" piece calling for essentially impeachment and investigation, because it does look like criminal laws were broken. so it's really good to see georgia getting to the bottom of this. >> and neal, just to follow up on that, donald trump's criminal defense lawyers and his company's criminal defense lawyers had these kinds of meetings with the manhattan district attorney before the
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manhattan district attorney issued indictments against the trump business and against allen weisselberg. >> correct. this is a natural precursor to a possible indictment. it doesn't mean donald trump is going to be indicted by any stretch. that's what they're trying to ask questions about. but in a circumstance like this, if you're law enforcement, you don't just go in. you first ask the people to come in and try and explain themselves. it's really hard to explain themselves when you have the guy on record, on tape recording saying hey, find me 11,780 votes. >> and congressman swalwell, we heard some of the trump defense as a civil defendant any way about that phone call to georgia where he's asking for votes. the trump defense today in court seemed to be, well, when he is president, he can say anything he wants and it is absolutely his right to say anything he wants. >> lawrence, donald trump is meeting the long but slow arm of
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the law. in court today in a civil case, he met accountability, who he's been a long-time stranger of. and as it's being reported now, the georgia district attorney is ramping up for investigation. and the judge today did allude to the fact that this may not have been just a one-off on january 6. and our position is he didn't just show up at a rally and spontaneously say "go to the capitol." but for weeks he had been unhappy with the results on november 2023 and had been plotting to incite his voters and aimed them at the capitol. in the meantime, just days before that, he was hell-bent having a shakedown with the secretary of state of georgia. so this was not just a one-off. this was premeditated by the president. it's what he wanted, and hopefully now it's what he's going to be held accountable for. >> one thing we've seen
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consistently, when team trump lawyers, whether it was the yule giuliani team in the fall, or now today the trump lawyers in this civil suit, when they end up in court in front of judges, all the games stop. and congressman swalwell, we heard the judge today saying the perfectly normal things that everyone else says in the face of this evidence, like wouldn't someone who really wanted to stop the attack on the capitol immediately tell those people no, that's not what i meant? when i said "fight like hell," i didn't actually mean fight like hell, like you're doing right now. it seemed like the trump position and the trump lawyers were smacking into that kind of granite wall of yet another judge who just seized the plain facts in front of us. >> that's right, lawrence. the judge a number of times put the screws to the trump team.
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and frankly, he put the screws to our team. what we're alleging is something that's been rarely alleged, thankfully, that a president used their social media platform and a speech to incite a violent mob. and this is a case in many ways of first impression. but you saw every time the trump lawyer tried to make this a partisan argument. the judge also shut him down and said i don't want to go into partisan politics. i don't care what the political party is of your client. this is about whether he did or did not do what is alleged. so you're viewers are frustrated. i see them on twitter. they're getting impatient for good reason that donald trump has not yet met accountability. but we are now starting to see this -- i call it an upcoming crescendo of all these civil and criminal investigations. and i can't help but think that he's going to meet accountability. and that's a good thing, because that means the rule of law and law and order will prevail over chaos. >> neal, what was your reaction when the trump lawyers ran into
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reality in that courtroom today? >> i mean, in some ways, my jaw dropped. it shouldn't at this point. nothing should shock me from a trump lawyer, but it still does, lawrence. congressman swalwell is doing a great service to the american people by bringing this lawsuit. what he is essentially saying is the ku klux klan act, which is over 100 years old, was violated when trump fomented this violence. and his argument by his lawyers in court today wasn't as much oh, i donald trump didn't do it. it was much more he's immune because he was carrying out his official duties. now give me a break. find me any field anywhere where inciting an attack against your colleagues should count as a normal day on the job. i mean, it is true that for certain things, presidents have immunity. but context always matters. and the idea that you have a broad immunity irrespective of context is basically what we rejected when we threw out the
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kings in the 1700s. you know, the judge today asked the trump lawyer. he said is there anything a presidential candidate -- a president could do as a candidate that's not entitled to immunity? and the answer given by the trump lawyer was i can't think of an example. that's absolute immunity. that's exactly what our constitutional system rebels against. >> and of course congressman swalwell, if that were true, richard nixon would have served a full eight years as president. >> that's absolutely right. , lawrence. this is the accountability that donald trump deserves. and we're not going relent. the january 6 commission is not going to relent. and i promise your viewers who as i said are very active on twitter, they recognize that there is an inside game and an outside game. this is the outside game on accountability. the inside game is as it relates to voting rights if we want to make sure that donald trump
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cannot be successful in trying to do many of these tactics again in 2024, the senate needs to step up and do its part. i can bring a lawsuit. my colleagues can bring lawsuits. we can pass legislation in the house. but this is an all hands on deck effort, and that part is just as important as anything that i did in a courtroom today. >> congressman eric swalwell and neal katyal, thank you very much for starting off our pleasure tonight. >> my pleasure. >> at the end of the hour tonight, we're going have a special "the last word" about the loss of sidney poitier and other greats who we lost this weekend, including some dear friends of mine. coming up next, jim jordan does not want to answer questions about his phone calls with donald trump on january 6 or his texts with sean hannity. that's next. texts with sean hay that's next.
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are you willing to tell the select committee what you know about events leading up to --
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>> i've been clear all along, i've got nothing to hide. >> yesterday, congressman jim jordan rewrote the "i have nothing to hide" line from "i have nothing to hide" to "i have no relevant information that would assist the select committee." that's what jim jordan said in a letter to the select committee investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol. in the letter, jim jordan refused the committee's request for his cooperation with the investigation. congressman jordan is of course once again not telling the truth about having relevant information with the committee's investigation. the committee is investigating everything donald trump did and did not do on january 6. and everything donald trump did and did not say on january 6. here's what happened to jim jordan when he was asked about that by house rules committee chairman jim mcgovern when jim jordan was not under oath. >> so when did you speak to the former president on january 6?
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did you talk to the former president before, during or after the attack on the capitol? >> of course i talked to the president. >> or was it all three? >> of course i talked to the president. i've been clear about that. i talk to him all the time. this is not about me, mr. chairman. i know you want to make it about me. of course i talked to the president. i talked to him that day. i've been clear about that. i don't recall the number of times. but it's not about me. i know you want to make it about that. >> joining us now is democratic congressman pramila jayapal of washington. she is a member of the house judiciary committee and chair of the house progressive caucus. thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> great to see you, lawrence. >> you served with jim jordan on the house judiciary committee where you get an awful lot of exposure to his tactics and his approach. i'm sure, like me, you were not surprised that jim jordan is refusing to cooperate with the committee. >> you know, lawrence, i was not surprised except that i had
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heard that he was going to cooperate with the january 6 committee, and that this was somewhat of a backtrack. you know, i think it was hard for me to believe that he was going to come in and voluntarily give this information, but i was hoping that perhaps i was wrong about him, and that maybe he was going to do that. it's not up to jim jordan to decide whether he has information that's relevant or not. he said that he had spoken to president trump on january 6 and in the days leading up to it, and that is absolutely within the relevance of what the committee is doing. and so i think that this is a bad move on his part. not a surprising one if you look at his whole record of being such a big supporter of donald trump, regardless of the fact that the president tried to incite a riot and tried to overturn the election, but it is unfortunate. and i think it's unfortunate that i'm hearing that it's
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possible that the vice president pence might also not -- choose to not testify before the committee. because we need everybody to give their information in order to get to the bottom of this. >> it is peculiar when someone who is a declared friend of donald trump and supporter of donald trump who publicly believes donald trump has never done anything wrong, that like jim jordan, that that person, who had conversations with donald trump on january 6 would not want to go to the committee and say to the committee under oath, here are all the good things donald trump said on january 6. here is all the correct things. here is all the things the president said that are exactly what you would want the president to say in that situation. so maybe jim jordan doesn't have anything good to see about donald trump to the committee if he is under oath. >> well, i think it's pretty clear he is hiding something.
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he says he doesn't have anything to hide, but he is hiding something. and you know what? jim jordan is not wrong when he says it's not about him. it's actually not about him. it's about our democracy. it's about our constitution, and it's about the need to get to the bottom of a president who tried to overthrow an election. so i think he does have something to hide. it's clear that if he doesn't want toe testify before the committee, he is hiding something. that's my view. >> the president is going to georgia tomorrow, making a very strong pitch for voting rights. this now seems to be the number one agenda in the united states senate. >> well, i think it is. and right next to it -- i don't think these are pitted against each other -- is build back better. but i think we've got get voting rights through. and leader schumer's commitment is to try and get it through before martin luther king day, because it is directly tied to, of course, our civil rights
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history and to january 6. i mean, january 6 was about overturning an election, and that includes undermining the right to vote. there is 400 voter suppression bills that have been introduced in the last year that is not a coincidence that all of those bills have been introduced. so the president has said to me and has said to the senate and to the country that this is extremely important. and as somebody who served in the senate for a long time as you did, he is also saying, look, i believe it's so important that we need to have a carve-out to the filibuster, and we need to remember that voting rights was not -- often not a bipartisan proposition. and right now in the country, it is the case that we need to just have a simple majority to be able to restore voting rights to everybody. so he is going to go out there. he is going to make that case. we're all pushing as hard as we possibly can all the way through martin luther king day and through the vote on the senate floor, and then of course we'll
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turn our attention back to build back better and hopefully get that done shortly after that. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we always appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. and coming up, no politician seems to regret his endorsements more than donald trump. he is now calling a senator whose candidacy he endorsed a jerk because that senator believes that joe biden won the presidential election. former senator claire mccaskill will join us next. will join us next. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪
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republican senator mike rounds of south dakota said the thing yesterday that almost all republicans in washington are afraid of saying. >> the election was fair, as
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fair as we've seen. we simply did not win the election as republicans for the presidency. and moving forward, and that's the way we want to look at this, moving forward, we have to refocus once again on what it's going to take to win the presidency. >> donald trump, who remains banned from twitter and facebook issued a written public statement in response to senator rounds that was filled with lies and what psychiatrists call projection, best exemplified by this line. is he crazy or just stupid? that is of course what most of the world has been asking about donald trump since he first started talking about president obama's birth certificate ten years ago. no politician in history has come to regret his endorsements more intensely than donald trump, who yesterday said "i will never endorse this jerk again." senator rounds responded today. >> i think as republicans we owe
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it to tell the truth. and i think integrity matters. and so, in my opinion, if we want to keep the confidence of our supporters and our voters, then we have to be honest with them. >> republican senator mitt romney rushed in to support senator rounds on twitter. mike rounds speaks truth knowing that our republic depends upon it. republicans like governors hutchinson, baker and hogan, senators like mcconnell, thune and johnson, bush, cheney, plus 60-plus courts and even the right-leaning editorial page agree joe biden won the election. joining us now is claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri. she is an msnbc political analyst. senator mccaskill, thank you
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very much for joining us tonight. so there is mike rounds saying joe biden won the election. that provokes the predictable donald trump attack. that then sends mitt romney into defense of senator rounds, and we are watching what seems to be a phenomenon that refuses to end this republican attack on republicans about who won the presidential election. >> you know, the interesting thing is if my former colleagues more than just mitt romney and mike rounds, but if all the republicans did what mike rounds did yesterday, if all of them spoke up, there would be a sea change in this country, because donald trump would then be faced with the reality that the leaders of his party are no longer going to go along with his lie. but they are afraid of primaries, and i will just tell you, lawrence, over the weekend, talking about depressing. there was a poll taken in a congressional district in
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missouri over republican primary voters. 64% of them in southwest missouri said that donald trump had won the election. and that's happening all over the country in red places. so you have this complete disconnect with what donald trump has created and what some republicans in the senate clearly know is going to get them in trouble in general elections, once you get past the primaries. and that's what mitch mcconnell is laying awake worrying about at night. >> so the endorsements, political endorsements, there is a value to that currency. and it varies depending on who the endorsement comes from. but donald trump devalues his own currency constantly by constantly retracting endorsements he has issued himself. so as we enter another election year with donald trump offering endorsements to republicans
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running in these primaries and in general elections, the electorate gets to wonder when is he going to call this guy a jerk who he is endorsing today? >> well, i mean look at ted cruz. look at the names he called ted cruz. during the presidential election. accused his father of being an assassin. he said horrible things about his wife. he said really derogatory horrible things about ted cruz, and ted cruz just crawls around on his belly trying to please donald trump. so there really is on full display those that have integrity and character and those that don't in the republican party. it will be interesting to see how this turns out. i do think the democrats have to be very careful here. they've got continue to remind voters the problems donald trump caused. but i really hope they also realize that for us to win these midterms, they're going to have to remind people that we had
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more jobs created in the last year than ever in history in this country. that the gdp is the highest it's been since 1984. i mean, they really have to begin selling the good news of this administration instead of focusing on the fight within the party as to what build back better is going to look like. >> ron johnson republican senator wisconsin has announced he is going to run for another term. that looks like a possible opportunity for democrats. joe biden won wisconsin. wisconsin's other senator is a democrat. they can go democratic in wisconsin. >> wisconsin, you got the same situation in pennsylvania where, you know, joe biden won pennsylvania as much as donald trump doesn't want to admit it. and you know ron johnson, you know, i got to be careful here, because i really do try not to get down in the mud. but i got to tell you, this guy is such a political hack. he likes to pretend he is a
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manufacturer, a businessman. he promised the voters of wisconsin he would only do two terms. but he loves being a politician so much. he loves scratching donald trump's back so much, he is now going to say to the voters of wisconsin, yeah, well never mind what i told you. i'm a typical politician. i'm going to do what i feel like to hold on to power, not what i told you when i initially ran two terms ago. >> yeah, so he has to begin his campaign with, okay, i'm breaking my word. that's the first thing i'm doing is breaking my word, and then go on from there in a state that is highly competitive for democrats. >> highly competitive. but let's make sure we understand one thing. motivation is what controls. you know this, lawrence, as well as i do. motivation controls midterms. so how motive ready we going to be if our side of the equation votes like our democracy depends on it, which i believe it does,
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we should be able to win wisconsin. on the other hand, if the folks that are most motive ready the folks who are pushing the big lie and shining donald trump's shoes, then mitch mcconnell is going to run the senate. >> so how do you translate that motivation into the individual states and districts where you really need it more than other places? >> well, i think one of the things that has to happen is there needs to be thoughtful advocacy for the races that really matter. you know, sometimes we get caught up, for example, wanting to beat mitch mcconnell. and money pours into a state where it is not as likely that the democrats are going to win. i think we've got to be really strategic about where we put volunteer resources and money resources and make sure we're putting them in those races in georgia where we have to hold on to two seats. it will be tough. in wisconsin, in pennsylvania. make sure that we are protected
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in nevada. make sure that colorado is okay. and then if there is a little left over at the end, take a look at ohio, north carolina, and florida. >> former senator claire mccaskill joining us once again from her tv kitchen. thank you very much for joining us tonight as always. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up, police in iowa are investigating after a zoom meeting of iowa democrats was invaded by racists while a black iowa state representative was speaking. representative phyllis phoebe who was interrupted by those races will join us next. s intere races will join us next. a quote. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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when the iowa democrats zoom meeting was invaded by racists. black iowa news interviewed representative thede, who is black, about the incident and reported thede said the racist act seemed to last forever. she said she has been called a racial epithet before, but had never experienced anything like what occurred on friday's call. the gazette newspaper reports individuals shouted andrew a racial epithet and posted an image of a monkey on the shared screen for all participants to see. among the event's participants were three black state lawmakers and two black leaders in the iowa democratic party. one of the leaders on the call was iowa's first black democratic party chair ross wilburn, who joined this program in october after someone threatened to lynch him because he wrote an op-ed critical of
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donald trump. that threat is still being investigated by the ames police department. a recording of friday's zoom meeting has been turned over to the west des moines police department, which is now investigating. and joining us now are two people who experienced that attack on friday, iowa state representative phyllis thede and iowa democratic party caucus chair al womble. thank you both very much for joining us. representative thede, let me begin with you. you were in the middle of saying something when this suddenly happened. how did you realize what was going on? >> well, you know, things were humming along quite well. i had been ten minutes into my speech, and then all of the sudden a monkey came on to the screen. now i didn't think too much about it, but as it went on, the
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young person started to say things about what the monkey looked like and addressed -- and i'm sorry to be so forward, but talked about how big the testicles were. and then began to laugh and scream. and so it took me off guard. and so i said to al womble, i said we need to get him off. so with that the young man actually said no, don't block me. i'll get off. so he had gotten off, and i continued with my speech. but as you know, it went on further past that. >> and al womble, when did you realize what was happening and what could you do about it? >> so just as representative thede said, we saw the image that came up on the screen. i tried my hardest then to remove that person from the zoom meeting. then i -- we had more individuals come on. and as i said before, it almost
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felt like playing whac-a-mole. the moment i knocked one down, another one came up. so i tried as hard as i could to remove them as quickly as they kept coming on. >> and mr. womble, how long did this go on? >> it went on for quite a few minutes. we were eventually able to kind of clear the screen of all the unwanted participants. but i really have to give it to representative thede. she continued with strength and grace and said i'm going to continue my presentation and make sure i give information to the voters of the state of iowa. so i just appreciate her and everything she did that night. >> and representative thede, did you change what you were saying in any way to target any of your comments to the people who were trying to destroy this meeting? >> absolutely not. my focus was on the people that were on that zoom call. we stayed strong. we didn't waiver on anything that i needed to talk about.
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and that's the way you keep moving forward. whatever they did, that's what they did. but what i had to do was toe make sure that the president that were on that zoom call, they heard my message. we're talking about communication and how to talk with legislators, or how to write legislators. whatever we need to do. but i never wavered from that because that's why we were on the call in the first place. so we were able to finish. and i thank goodness that al was able toe help us get through that. and so that was very, very important, that we continue. and so i'm very happy the way it ended. >> reporter: and representative thede, did you have a chance to speak after the fact with other people who were involved and what it felt like for them when this happened? >> oh, absolutely. i got tons of calls and emails. people were upset. they were frustrated. they were angry. they said i'm so sorry that this
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happened to you. i even had a minister say, you know, this is awful. this is not what this country is about. and so we really just rallied together with other folks, and it felt really good because we know that there are people out there who will not tolerate things like this. and, you know what? this is going to continue to happen until all of us take our voices out there and say enough. enough is enough. we're not going to tolerate this anymore. we are done with this kind of rhetoric. and what we're going to do is we're going call you out on it. and then once we do that, we're still going to move forward with our target, things that we need to do. and i feel good about that. nothing is going to stop me. i'll keep going. and if people want me to come and talk with them, he will do that as well. but nothing will stop us from telling the truth. >> representative phyllis thede and al womble, i am very sorry that this happened to you and this is the reason you're joining us tonight. please come back. we want to hear more from you.
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appeared on this program in 2014 i asked him to read a page of his book that i knew reveals the real bob saget. read that >> i put my entire soul into
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raising my own daughters and will continue to because it's the most rewarding part of my life. but they have also inspired me and taught me how to embrace and step up to that honored role of being a father in general. i get college audiences, thousands of people looking at me as the dad they wish they had, and, yeah, it's only for an hour and about a superficial a connection as can exist compared to actual real life parenting, but i take it seriously. that's not the comedian part of me using the word seriously. >> he meant every word of that. and yesterday we got the shocking news that bob saget at the age of 65 was found dead. local authorities said he was found his bed with the lights off in the room apparently possibly asleep when he died. no evidence of foul play. bob did two hours of stand-up the night before for a, pardon the expression, full house in
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orlando. bob's death came the day after i spoke at the funeral of my friend joan bowman, who i have known since he was in college. he was a brilliant comedy writer who created martin with martin lawrence. he appeared to be perfectly healthy and was 64 years old when his heart suddenly stopped beating decades too soon. john bowman and bob saget brought the kind of joy into people's homes and their hearts that only tv comedy can deliver in steady, healing doses. maryland bergman's work will live in our house with her husband, she wrote po some of the most moving songs we know which have been sung by musical giants like frank sinatra, barbra streisand and many, many others. she found the time to write the theme song for "a girl's school
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in los angeles which is the best school song i have ever heard. marilyn bergman died saturday in los angeles at age 93. the last line of "the way we were" written by marilyn and her husband alan bergman, so it's the laughter we will remember whenever we remember the way we were. f. it's not easy to think about the laughter when death comes rushing at us as it did this weekend beginning with the crushing loss of the great artist and activist sidney poitier, who died on friday at the age of 94. >> my father was a laborer. all of his life. >> yes. >> and my father once -- my father once almost beat a man to death because this man, he called him some kind of name,
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you know? that's my sister. and she is going to be a doctor. and we are very proud of that. >> in an interview with "the new york times" in 1989, sidney poitier discussed what it was like to be america's first black actor on the long road to winning an oscar. he said, during the period when i was the only person, no bill cosby, no eddie murphy, no denzel washington, i was carrying the hopes and aspirations of an entire people i i had no control over content, no creative leverage except to refuse to do a film, which i often did. i had to satisfy the action fans, the romantic fans, the intellectual fans. it was a terrific burden.
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i had the honor of meeting sidney poitier a few times at group dinners and i knew marilyn bergman, but you didn't have to know these people to love them and that love began with the love we share for their work. one thing i know that they all share is a belief in the ideals expressed by sidney poitier in august of 1963 in an interview in a studio in washington, d.c., where on that day sidney poitier joined martin luther king jr. jr. in the march on washington. >> i became interested in civil rights struggle out of a necessity to survive. i found having lived in new york and in other parts of america over the last 20 years since i came from the caribbean, i found it necessary for self-protection and for -- to perpetuate my survival that i involve myself in any activity that would ease
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my burden momentarily. the stamina, the texture of our endeavor to solve the negro question will exemplify for me the kind of interest the country as a whole has in doing the things that are necessary for us to be entitled to a future. >> sidney poitier gets tonight's last word. "11th hour" starts now. good evening. i'm stephanie ruhle. day 365 of the barack obama and tonight there is a new sign that the january 6th committee may be having trouble convincing former vice president mike pence to cooperate. the panel has indicated it's moving closer to asking pence to appear voluntarily. but "the new york times" reporting pence is, quote,


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