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olivia troy, director of the republican accountability project, former top aide to then mike pence, michael steel, former lt. gov. of maryland. one quick correction, benny made a mistake and said the irs extended the tax deadline until may. as of now the deadline has been extended for a handful of states affected by recent natural disasters. i don't know where betty lives. for more americans, the deadline remains april 18th, just a few days later than normal. by the way, it was a viewer who told me about this mistake so i thank you for that, please, if you ever encounter an error we make, please let me know. look up the irs protocol in your own state for more information. that does it for me. thanks for watching. catch me tomorrow morning on "velshi." the "cross connection" with my good friend tiffany cross begins
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right now. ♪♪ ♪ >> we need federal laws that guarantee the freedom and right of every american to have access to the ballot to be able to vote. the john lewis voting rights act, the freedom to vote act address that issue and those are the issues that are present and are imminent and that are really dispositive frankly of this moment in time in terms of whether we are going to fight for some of the most important pillars of democracy is up as the freedom to vote and free and far election. so let us pass those two pieces of legislation and ensure through federal law that all americans have meaningful access to the polls. >> good morning, welcome to the "cross connection." as you all know, thursday more juan year since january 6th
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insurrection happened here in washington. it is a sobering reminder the current threat to democracy requires real tangible change. we begin today with crucial legislation that has a direct impact on your life the build back better act and federal voting rights legislation are on ice on capitol hill and while the spotlight has been focused on man. . >> manchinema. they will decide the rules for the filibuster to passing two key voting rights laws. let's be honest, who would we want election day a federal holiday to make it to the ballot box to carve out time on the same day. honestly, this should be a no-brainer. joining me congresswomanka
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camilla jayapal and the co-chair of the voting rights caucus, i am thrilled to have the face of build back better and voting rights. congresswoman terry pool, i'll start with you. people are screaming our democracy is on the brink of destruction. one of the key pillars is the the path to the ballot box. chuck schumer is saying he will bring this vote to the floor. they will be able to pass something on voting rights. i have to ask you, how will that happen? a lot of you are skeptical and nervous? >> congresswoman, we are having trouble with your audio. >> well, happy new year,tive new. >> happy new year. >> and i'm excited to be on this show with fellow member.
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we were back in washington for the january 6th remembrance so we can deal with our fragile democracy. nothing is more important and fundamental am than the right to vote. so i understand people's frustrations about this. but i am excited about the fact that the leader of the senate chuck schumer as well as the president has come out and really have made voting rights their top priority. i'm looking forward to them having some movement in the senate. you know, they can reform the filibuster or actually as they call it do a rule change that will allow them to have 51 votes for voting rights. they did so most recently by lifting the debt creeling with 51 votes for democrats. they can do it with that and a lifetime appointment on the supreme court with 51 votes, surely, they can save our democracy by ensuring that we pass john robert lewis vogt rights advancement act and the freedom to vote. >> standing in the way of these
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philly bust you are roles, as you know, congresswoman jayapal is senator man. in and senator cinema, i want you to listen to a gop-funded ad talking specifically about joe manchin. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> do you see liberals are desperate suppose enact their radical agenda, so desperate, they want to change the rules and eliminate the filibuster. senator joe manchin promised he will not let that happen. >> i will not vote to end the filibuster. i do not support ending the filibuster. chuck schumer knows that. >> if liberals eliminate the filibuster, they can jam through their socialist agenda. call senator manchin, tell him to keep his promise. >> it's consistent with the gop messaging to tap dance on people's fierce and place of a lack of intellectual curiosity in their voting base. one of the ways he is standing by in serving people is the
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build back better legislation. i am curious if you have had any direct conversation about build back better and changing the filibuster rules, which would change the path for your signature legislation? >> tiffany, happy new year to you. i have to lift up the strength of my colleague who has been a champion on voting rights for so long. i spoke to senator manchin right after he went on fox news. he called me that next day. i have not spoken to him since then. and i think that where we are is that there is a real discussion about first moving voting rights, which is absolutely essential in the way that terry talked about to our democracy and not divorced from january 6th because that was an attempt to overturn the elections and undermine people's fundamental right to vote. now as soon as we are finished with that, the conversation will get going again about build back better. when i say conversation, i don't mean another lengthy round of
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negotiations. i mean that the president had a commitment from senator manchin to a frame for build back better, which we passed something almost exactly like that framework in the house. there was about 10% of the bill not a part of the framework. not something he had agreed to and our belief is that senator manchin will work with the president to keep that promise he made to pass something that is very, very close to that framework transformational. universal pre-k care. making sure we provide elder care. healthcare, so that folks in states that didn't expand medicaid can get that access as well as the aca subsidies that allow people to access healthcare at the time when omicron is surging. these are all the things that senator manchin has agreed to. and my firm belief is that we can get that pass, something
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very close to that. i know that's what the white house is working on. but for two weeks, through next week and martin luther king day, the focus is on voting rights. as soon as we're done with that, it turns back to build back better. >> you know, these are two key pieces of legislation that feels like they're competing at times. they really shouldn't be, congresswoman, i'll turn it back to you. i heard congresswoman jay a pal -- jayapal spoke with manchin. if you haven't, what would you say to him? >> i have not spoken directly to senator manchin. i have to cinema and the trip she had to selma and walk hand to hand across the pettis bridge. what i would say and frankly to all of the republican who's are
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standing in the way is that voting rights is the pillar. it is the bedrock of our democracy and if we as elect officials are more concerned about getting ourselves elect than allowing our citizens to elect their representatives, shame on us. you know, voting rights has never been a partisan issue. it has passed the voting rights act of northeastern 65 has been reauthorized five times under three republican presidents, most recently 2006. nothing is more fundamental and if we can actually reform the senate rules to lift the debt ceiling, surely, we can reform the senate rules in order to allow the voting rights act of 1965 the full protects, federal oversight. we've seen states go you a muck. when states go amuck, there has to be a protectionism, to ensure every american has the right to vote, that is john robert lewis
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voting rights enhancement act. >> i have to say, nanny one cherry picking out and impediment to voting rights, you are a bone aified hypocrite. that is not something we support. can the democrats hold the majority in congress with voting suppression ravaging the country today? can, if nothing happens, can the democrats protect their majority in congress? >> can i tell you this, tiffany, we have to keep our promise to the american people. we as democrats ran on build back better agenda. we ran on voting rights. voter suppression is alive and well. in two months time we are about to celebrate the 57th anniversary of bloody sunday in my hometown of selma, alabama. old battles have become new again. we have to roll up our sleeves and fight and fight like hll to make sure we get voting rights
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passed and build back better agenda passed as well. we promised this to the american people. it's fundamental to keep our promise. >> congressman, jayapal, do you think they can hold it as they are right now? >> well, i went with terry and john lewis and walked across that bridge. i don't think we should even allow this to be a question. if we want to say that we are a democracy, then we have to preserve that essential right to vote that so many people fought for and died for. so i think that you know look can we win? i always believe we have the most amazing candidates that run and that we, they are going to do a phenomenal job. but that's not the question, tiffany. the question to me is, are we going to preserve our democracy? are we going to allow people the right to vote? are we going to pay tribute to
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the idea that we are actually here as government to help people do the things they need to do in their lives and to have opportunity in their lives so they can wake up every day and feel like they can manage, that they can provide for their families. that's what the build back better agenda is about. is making sure that people feel differently about their lives in a country that has become too polarize by wealth inequality. we have moms who can't afford child care, who can't get back to work. we have people living on the streets in the richest country in the world because we don't provide housing. we have people that can't get healthcare at a time when omicron is surge. those are things that government can step in and be the great equalizer of opportunity so that whether you're white, black, brown, rural or urban, rich or poor, you have those protections. and i think those are the two things that as terry said, we ran on this, this is not some crazy agenda. this is what we ran on and won
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on, people in georgia, arizona, so many states, black, brown, indigenous, white, rural, came out and delivered us these majorities. now we got to deliver for them. >> yes. i want to remind our viewers. i know we spent time talking about the two senators in the upper chambers. the two people standing in the way are republicans, obstruct any policy happen. sadly, it seems they are helping them do that, whether that's their interpretation or not. thank you for joining us. i think it says women are the keepers of the culture. are you on the front lines, so i thank you both. on behalf of the american people, thank you. coming up, it's time to get real about why the insurrection happened and why it could happen again. you don't want to miss this after the break. i'm see you then. o miss this after the break. i'm see you then
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okay. this week our nation mourned the tragedy of the january 6th capitol riots. from dawn until dusk, elected officials and other voices across the cable news spectrum pontificated on the dangers, the specific events of that day may pose to our democracy. however, what we didn't see were enough voices willing to point out the deeper festering rot that's plagued this nation since it was born. people who neater discovered or built this land have been led to believe america is theirs and theirs alone. it is that delusional fever dream that's tearing the united
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states apart. joining me is malcolm nance, the author of the forthcoming book. they want to kill americans, millibars, terrorists and deranged ideology of the trump insurgency. i can think of no better title and person to talk to about this. thank you for being here. i am curious from your expert perspective, what do you see as the biggest threat to american democracy. >> the biggest threat is the delusion one-third of this country is the living under where they believe nothing they hear unless it comes from the mouth of donald trump and is passed down through his sick sycophants. that budge literally isolates them against any common sense, any rational. the only thing that seems to break through, tiffany, is when you see what happened to ted cruz yesterday is when you refer to them, the insurrectionists of january 6th. >> yeah.
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>> as terrorists. that's the only thing that breaks through. >> since you brought that up, malcolm. i do want to play a sound byte. it's baffling to me why ted cruz is able to walk around without a spine and legislate without sense and character. let's listen to what he said to tucker carlson. we'll talk it to on the other side. >> we are approach ac solemn anniversary this week and it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the capitol where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage. >> the way i phrased things yesterday, it was sloppy and frankly dumb. >> i don't find that, look, i've known you a long time, are you a supreme court contender, you take words as seriously as any man that served in the senate. every words, you repeated that phrase, i do not believe you used that accidentally, i just don't. >> so tucker, as a result of my sloppy phrasing, it's caused a lot of people to misunderstand
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what i meant. >> honestly, this is a cult. after everything this country has done the folks that look like you and me here we sit bicker patriots than those two half-witted individuals with their feigned outrage and lies to the american people. how does this persist? >> well, it's going to persift so long as they have the ability to inject the poison of the cultism through the veins of the news media. they have an information sphere which is impenetrable. they represent only 30% of the country. the other 70% have to wake up. they have to be mobilized. i think that's what president biden did this week. he finally sounded a clear clarion call that america is under attack. and i don't use those words irrationally. okay. i spent my entire career in the navy and in bell jens warning this nation about clear and present dangers to the constitution and to our citizens. this is a clear and present
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danger. they do not believe in the constitution as it was written. they have some bizarre misimpression of whatever donald trump seems to think it is. they are loyal to a man, not to the nation. as long as they believe that donald trump is the embodiment of the america and the america they want, there are already, we've seen, many incidents over the last few years, where they will kill to make that point. right now, they're simmering. the only question is, will we be able to stop them or will we be able allow them come this november, if we lose the 2022 election, allow their political body to radicalize them further and bring this nation to dictatorship. >> well, that is the question, pal malcolm. many are running for office. it's a multi-prong threat to dreams you have the violence before january 6th that continues after january 6th, certainly the most invisible was
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a year ago this week and then you have people who are election deniers funded by the private sector and at least 163 republican who's are supporting the lie and contributing to the discord we see in our american democracy. so i ask with those, that level of attack on our country, can we stop it? that's a question i ask you. >> well, we certainly can stop it. you know when i predicted this 62 days before the insurrection on real time with bill maur that this nation was undergoing an insurgency. init's multiple incidentles. it starts with the political element deciding they cannot achieve their halls of power without using that to undermine the present government including brigg armed para-militarys and acts of terrorism, which we've seen in the past. the attack on the capitol --
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>> yeah. >> the attack on the capitol january 6th. >> absolutely, i want to ask you a question question before we run out of time. the pipe bomb set out while vice president kamala harris then she was a candidate at the time while she was inside, do you think that she was the intended targeted? this is your area of expertise? espionage and things like this, do you think she was the intended target? and if so, what kind of person does something like this? what's the profile of this terrorist? >> well, we know the bombs were delivered on the night of the 5th or the late evening of the 5th. terrorists when they carry out operations like this always want to do something symbolic. now, the bomb that was placed near the dnc was clearly meant to intimidate the feel that work inside there. i don't think she was the target. i think the entire subject of anyone being a democrat was the target. because the crazy qanon ideology believe all democrats should be
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literally genocide. the other is more circumspec. it was not at the republican national committee. it was at a building near the republican national committee, so it wasn't as direct. terrorists take these opportunities to carry out their attacks when they can and as you saw in some of the footage there, they try to be very circumspec. this person was a very good person with good trade craft. i think eventually we will get them. it wasn't targeting the vice president. >> this is one individual and sadly there are many who feel the same way. several hbcus were receiving bomb threats this week as well. scary times, nothing new to those of us used to this level of violence, we do have to defeat it. thank you so much for your always very necessary expertise and you will be back on the "cross connection" many, many times. coming up next, new york is turning up the heat on the trump offspring. we have the legal lowdown. offspring. we have the legal lowdown. in-wat
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the fight that holds donald trump accountable for all his wrong-doing continues. this week new york tomorrow reveals she has suspended the two eldest trump kids in an investigation into trump and his business practices. now don, jr. and ivanka along with their father are refusing, arguing they can't be suspended
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because they are also under criminal investigation in manhattan. is it me? that is quite a defense. joining me the correspondent for the nation, ali, honestly, ricky rich here have the gall to kind of thumb their nose, quite frankly. >> i'm in too much trouble to be in more trouble him i'm sure that worked when they were kids. it doesn't actually work in the legal system. i want to give a shout out to tish james. she is doing what's necessary. let's compare tish james to bob mueller, who we knew refused to go after donald trump, jr., even though he was at the meeting at the heart of that investigation, refused to subpoena donald trump, jr., ivanka trump, he was afraid of the optics of what it would look like of asking donald trump's children to tell the truth. he was worried about that.
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so he didn't do it. tish james doesn't have those same kind of fears and in fairness, tish james can't be fired by donald trump. so, there is that, too. but look at the difference between a real investigation of what's happening in new york state versus the fake investigations of the trumps that we've gone at a federal level while trump was president and arguably now. >> you know, i think you make a good point, when people prioritize optics over the actual law or justice, i don't really care about optics. we can't be so worried how something looks when it comes to protecting this democracy, quite frankly. i want to shift gears to the doj. i know you've had a lot of opinions on attorney general merritt garland. he says we will continue to investigate january 6th. there is a time line, we're in the year of mid-terms, he doesn't really have as long as
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it takes. what does accountability look like? we seen these rank and file people get charged. but the mark meadows, the don and ivankas, the girl there, kimberly guilfoyle, all of these folks, none of them are clean. peter navarro did a great interview this week. when will they be held accountable? >> he got him to confess. if he likes merritt garland is as least as good as ari mel berg. he says he will follow the facts and investigations to wherever it goes and will not be afraid holding the homeland accountable. so far, all i've seen is him being afraid to hold them accountable. but if he did have a secret plan top hold powerful people accountable, this is what his investigation will look like. he is moving slowly, starting at
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the bottom, working his way up, that is standard. that is correct. if he was going for it, this is what it would look like, unfortunately if he wasn't going for it, if he was going to charge the low hanging fruit. if he was going to let the political people off the hook, this is also what his investigation would look like. >> yeah. >> so a lot to trust merritt garland, that is great. i am happy for you. i hope your trust is rewarded. i need more than trust. i want to see evidence that this man is willing to do what he says he is willing to do. so far he's only sentenced 71 people. for the most part, they have gotten light sentence and charged with slaps on the wrist. >> we have to send a image to people who feel this behavior is okay, who feels their skin color protects them or they're entitled to disrupt democracy. i think it is high time to send a direct message to those folks. i want to talk about these vaccine mandates, i am baffled
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people are fighting this tooth and nail. yesterday the supreme court justices weighed in on this argument about mandates for large employers. i don't know why people are pushing back against this. take a listen to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> what's the difference between this and telling employers where sparks are flying in the workplace your workers have to wear a mask? >> when sparks are flying in a workplace, it's because there is a machine unique to that workplace. >> why is the human being not like a machine if it's spewing a virus, blood borne viruses? >> exactly. this is the precisely my point, we are way over time. about ten second left, what itself your take on this whole entirery deck lus sergeant? it's like people are pro-covid it's very world. >> america, we in danger, girl. the reason the conservative justices are anti-vax mandates
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is not because they're trumpers anything like that. it's because they're republicans. the supreme court republicans are doing what republicans do, in this case they don't want the vaccine mandates because it's coming through osha. there has been a generations long attack on what labor rights. because osha protects workers and republicans don't like protecting workers. around that's why they're against the vaccine mandates is because of their longstanding crusade against labor, labor rights and worker safety that is now leading them towards anti-vax land. people need to understand, when you let republicans control your country, this is what you get. >> you are absolutely right. listen, elly, we're out of time. i want to say thank you for joining us. i'm sorry to hear of the passing of lanni guinier, a legal scholar, she was well known and beloved by all.
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. >> it looks like we're the first. aerial, charlotte. >> hey, happy birthday. >> please, come join us. >> oh, look, it's quinn, leo's mom. hi, gwen, hi, i haven't seen you since leo transferred to dalton. >> i'm not gwen. but i know who you are talking about. >> this is lisa sprint charlotte. >> anybody read the new a.e. smith book? >> and just like that, the shoe was on the other foot, the sex and the city franchise are undergoing an educational transformation in the latest iteration, widening their circles with high friends, it's high time. all of us can take in our journey to enlightenment. take for example rhode island state rep patricia morgan. this tone deaf tweet she had a black friend who was no longer
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talking to her thanks to crts. girl, bye, listen, karen, the tweets spawn the trending hashtag i had a white friend. she wanted that smoke. she got it. interracial relationships not only expand our cultural understandings of each other but prepare us to better live and experience the world around us. it doesn't always have to center whiteness, even though we'll have a conversation about that as well, joining me now is professor of african-american studies at princeton university and nancy long eun, associate professor at viola university and author of reel inequality, i cannot think of two better women, somani, i want to start with you. i thought that scene with charlotte and harry where they were the minority was such a great scene. first of all, i thought charlotte was making a very genuine effort. she noticed she didn't have a
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lot of black folks in her social circle. and she you know had cultural contribution to the conversation and was not pandering. it felt like a very genuine conversation and relatable. do you have friends outside of your ethnic racial social circle and how are your conversations? are you really unfiltered? how does that look? >> yeah. thank you for having me. yes, my entire life, i've had multi-racial, multi-cultural friendships and those relationships are actually built i think on three core principles, trust, care and respect. so, from that basis, we do have friend conversations, honest conversations, unfiltered kchlts ones that can be difficult precisely because that's how we care about each other so deeply. i would say about that episode, part of the beauty is they each rescued each other at various moments. there were some beautiful moments of care in the midst of the awkwardness.
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>> i agree. i completely agree. nancy, you and i talked a little bit about that. i think it's really important that we not center whiteness in these professions all the time so often we talk about diversity, friendship diversity, it is centered on black and white. i think there are people members of the rising majority who could stand some intellectual curiosity about our fellow americans and having those conversations. so when it comes to those unfiltered conversations, i am curious your take on the conversation you have with folks that do not look like you, in the spirit of being unfiltered, you know, there is concern about sometimes anti-black sentiment in all communities, including latinos, api. this is something we have to get over getting to know each other. >> yeah. when i started grad school, that was probably the first time i really had more intimate reasons partly because the students of color were in the minority and
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if i only made asian friends, i would have only a few. so i started to have shared experiences and there was some growing pains for sure. right, because when even between groups of color there is isolation and misunderstanding. and i think a lot of it is what kind of having trust and respect and humility, right, the willingness to say, hey, i didn't know that, or i sense the whom kind of like i think you are somebody else and have this perception, this misunderstanding. those kind of micro-agressions will happen and i think in order to have friendship across culture, one must be humble and say, hey, my bad, i'm sorry, what can i do better? >> yeah. i think you know there is a lot of commonality between folks of color. i want to play you a clip. as we talk about having friendships, the show "white lotus," i thought that show was
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interesting. it did speak directly to some privileged lives, in this case, it was a white person friends with an indigenous person, who young women with a budding friendship. take a listen to this exchange. i'll get your opinion on the other side. >> i'm not my parents, paula. >> but you are. actually you are. you think you're like this rebel. but in the end, this is your tribe. you're a family. the people here. >> that's really manipulative, palm louisiana are you the one who stole yet i'm the bad guy. >> don't give me that. you've stolen, too. >> what did i steal? >> well, i guess it's not stealing when you think everything is already yours. just stop pre tending to be my friend. i'm just some prop used for some weird credit.
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>> i have to say, i have had that experience you know certainly tried to build friendships and have people i like you because you're not like them. every time that happens, i'm like, ah, there it is, i was waiting for it. there it is. how do you deal with situations like that. that's not a genuine friendship. that is an associate, not a girlfriend. >> absolutely. i think it's important to distinguish between, this is why the issue of trust is so important to me. right. because this is a person with whom she trusted herself and experienced disrespect and disregard and in that exchange, just the fact that the young white woman i'm not that, i'm not that. who are you? who are you with this person? can they rely upon you? can they expect you to respect them fully? those are the kind of questions and in general in friendship when people fail in that
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respective, friendships are not genuine and cannot continued. i also loved the deep honesty, right, the honesty. that was an opportunity. the honesty is an olive branch. the question becomes, what does one do that? >> what does one do with that? let's talk about that on the other side this conversation continues right after the break. other desi this conversation continues right after the break.
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all right, let's keep this conversation going. we're back with ama knee perry, as we discuss interracial friendships. i want to play a soundbite from one of our nbc colleagues, she's a reporter at an nbc affiliate who talked about what some in the aapi community eat on ne year's day, and she talked about dumplings, i believe. this is the voice mail that she
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received after. take a listen. >> hi, this evening your asian anchor mentioned something about being asian and asian people eat dumplings on new year's day, and i kind of take offense to that because what if one of your white anchors said, well, white people eat this on new year's day. i don't think it was appropriate that she said that, and she's being very asian and, i don't know, she can keep her korean to herself. >> all right. that, of course, spurred the hashtag very asian. this is why i'm playing that. we just before the break showed that exchange between the two characters on white lotus and the young indigenous woman said at the end of the day that's your tribe.
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there's always so much sympathy for folks like that. people say i have a cousin who feels that way, she's not so bad. my aunt voted for donald trump, and she's a nice person. my mother supports him. she doesn't like his tweets but she's not terrible. here's the news flash, your aunt, your mother, your grandmother, whoever supports that philosophy, they actually are terrible people. that actually is garbage when you support racism. we extend humanity to people like that and so little humanity for folks like us. can you be friends with folks like that? >> i do encounter people like that. >> i bet. >> it's so hard because they have this like false equivalency that somehow, you know, whites are being under, you know, represented because asians are talking about having pride in their, you know, in their culture, and -- but everything, everything that we talk about is default white, right? and so the persecution complex is very hard because then it's
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kind of like how can you have an exchange, you know, a friendly relationship when there's this feeling of like it's either me or you, like us against them, this pitting against each other. yeah, and it's dumplings. who doesn't love dumplings. >> it's so utterly ridiculous. amani, nancy makes a really good point. i do find when we are overlapping, this is what it takes. our politics is not working. to change hearts and minds, it is sometimes having these conversations. i don't want to be a teacher, i'm not your project. i'm not the one person you talk to to feel better about your crappy attitudes on race relations. so when you're having these exchanges, how do you cultivate unsafe conversations, when people want to ask those things that might feel a bit inappropriate, how do you handle that? >> well, i'm very clear, and i'm not interested in -- and i will say this directly at times to
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white friends, i can't deal with your angst about racism, right? so we can have an honest conversation, but you have to be willing to listen and also to listen to the fact there are situations in which people of color are going to express their vulnerability and their hurt and there has to be an ability to not suck up the emotional air in the room, to listen carefully and not be defensive. and also take on the responsibility, not just in our interaction, what are you saying when i'm not here? what are you saying in the rooms with those folks? >> yes, exactly. >> that's such a good point. there are times when racist things do happen, and then after the whole incident goes down, somebody will come over and say, i am so sorry. that is so inappropriate what that person just did. i appreciate that. don't talk to me, talk to them in the moment. correct your tribe. tell your tribe, hey, we don't stand for that. so listen you guys, amani perry and nancy, thank you for having these discussions. these are the conversations that need to happen.
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we will continue to have them here on "the cross connection." fred hampton was a coalition builder and talked to everybody, and we all need to be our individual coalition builders in our community. so thank you both for having a very necessary conversation, one that will continue hear. in the next hour, we'll pay homage to a legend actor and activist, sydney portier. my all star panel will talk about what could help folks get back to work and hip-hop god father, the dmc of run dmc, darrell mcdaniels stops by with a word on his latest adventure. you don't want to miss any of that, so keep it right here. igh. ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ ♪ yes -- ♪ wait, what was that? timber... [ sighs heavily ] when owning a small business gets real,
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♪♪ i hear republicans say today that my talking about this strong record shows that i don't understand, i don't understand. a lot of people are still suffering, they say. well, they are. or that i'm not focused on inflation, malarkey. >> all right, welcome back to "the cross connection." we're a full week into the new year. just yesterday the labor department dropped a brand new jobs report, showing the united states only added 199,000 jobs last month. now that's less than half of what economists originally predicted. still, at the same time, unemployment numbers dipped to a new pandemic low but not for
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everyone. actually, most notably for black women. the only race and gender group whose jobless rate got worse last month, and the overall decline in unemployment comes in spite of the endless stream of media reporting on the labor shortage. so perhaps paying workers a dignified wage they can actually survive on would solve some of these problems. i want to welcome my trending topics panel for the week, and that's katie phang, returning champ, she's a an msnbc legal contributor and co-host of cnbc's money court, michael harriot, and jess morales, executive director of care in action. so glad to have all of you guys. jess, i want to start off with you by talking about these jobless numbers. you know, i feel like i know a lot of people who are looking for jobs who can't find work, and then i know a lot of folks who are saying there is a labor shortage when i look at the talking heads in the echo chamber of the cable news networks. explain this dichotomy. >> well, what we're seeing is
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something that's really fascinating, which is, yes, people are leaving their jobs. this great resignation, but people are also finding new jobs. we had the job numbers come out this week, and those numbers are showing that there's more employment than we've seen in quite a long time, and i think this is perhaps called the great awakening might be better. workers are being clear. they want good jobs. they want good paying jobs, and the pandemic has helped recenter people on what they care about, and that really is not just their work. they want a better life, and work was supposed to provide that, and now it's not. and so we're really seeing a shift both in our economy and in the power that workers are taking in the job market that i think will have reverberations for generations to come. >> you know, katie, i think jess makes a good point. there are a lot of women who still can't return to work because of child care issues, which is something we need to address and acknowledge. there are also people who are
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starting their own businesses. there are people who are taking the leap from, you know, one job to another, and a lot of this great resignation focuses on white collar jobs. but the folks who are quitting who are in hospitality and lower wage earners, they're quitting because they're just simply not paid enough, and so it seems like the answer is to pay people more, but i'm curious your take on all of this. >> well, that would seem to be the right answer, but does that necessarily handle the issue of care insecurity, which has just been magnified and amplified as a result of the pandemic. i am a working mom. i also own my own business. i understand the struggles of an employer, but i also understand the struggles of trying to make sure that there is adequate child care opportunities. 1.4 million fewer moms are actually in our labor force right now, and that is only from a couple of months ago, and these are college educated women who could actually work from home because they have telework
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capabilities, and yet they're not in our labor force. why? because the uncertainties of the pandemic create the inability to guarantee adequate, safe, proper child care for not only our family members, but also making sure that we have teachers available to put our children in safe learning environments. i think you should always end up having an increase in the wages to keep up with inflation, the consumer price index also went up. i think until we have adequate child care provided by our government, provided by our local municipalities, we're not going to be able to adequately address these issues of care and security. >> yeah, you're right. you talked about teachers returning. we're going to talk about that later in the show. just to let our viewers know, for those of you who don't know, the average cost of child care for an infant is about $1,300 a month. that's some people's entire paycheck, as you know, michael, for sure. i'm just curious your take.
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you studied macroeconomics, michael, i think, or micro economics. that's the thing about michael harriot, you guys know i have a ph.d. in micro economics, right? we do now. what's your take on all of this, michael? >> so one of the things that we're seeing in this macro economic, by the way, is that, you know, one of the reasons for the great awakening is imagine working full-time for an employer for a number of years and during an economic and global pandemic or crisis, you realize not only don't you have security in the economy, but you don't even have -- people are working -- or realizing that the people who, the companies who they have donated their time or worked for years for don't offer any kind of security, right, whether it's child care security, whether it's job security or whether it's economic security.
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so why not pursue the thing that you like, the thing that you love or at least gives you security. and the other thing is, right, we're also seeing a lot of teachers, a lot of professional people because their co-workers put them in danger. i have a sister who's been teaching for 25 years because she lived in a rural district where the parents would send their kids to school with masks and the teachers wouldn't enforce the mask policy, so they quit. there's a combination of things . it's the pandemic, the economy, the supply chain that is closing businesses. we're seeing a lot of things in this great awakening, and if this is going to be an economic crisis, why not choose the thing that offers you security or at least pleasure in your life. >> yeah, some joy, exactly. speaking of crisis, i want to
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turn to georgia where the three convicted killers of ahmaud arbery were all sentenced to life in prison yesterday. travis mcmichael and his father gregory mcmichael were denied the possibility of parole. roddie bryant will be eligible for parole i think after 30 -- serving 30 years. katie, one moment that i found very striking during the sentencing hearing yesterday was the judge. the judge actually made the court sit in one minute of silence just to punctuate the point of the terror that ahmaud arbery must have felt and the torture that he endured after running from these three vigilantes who ultimately, you know, were responsible for taking his life. i'm curious your take on the sentencing and just that moment in court. you're an officer of the court. i've never seen anything like that. >> yeah, so, you know, it was powerful. like i actually have goose bumps and the reason why is it was a white male judge. we had a young black male victim
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of murder, and to have the judge say for one minute of silence afterwards that it was just a fraction of the time that ahmaud arbery was running in terror for his life, and the fact that this judge who is supposed to be and had one of the best countenances and demeanors on the bench during the trial versus the kyle rittenhouse judge, for example, this judge said that ahmaud arbery was hunted down and shot. and that is exactly the imagery that fits with what the evidence was. and so to not only have the judge elect to not give that possibility of parole to travis mcmichael and greg mcmichael, the son and the father duo, but to also look at someone like roddie brian and say i may give you the possibility of parole after 30 years, but he's already in his 50s, right? and i mean, we say sometimes as prosecutors they may go into prison, but they come out in a body bag, and that's a definite
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possibility for somebody like roddie bryan. that is important, i was happy to hear that from the judge. >> absolutely. i wonder if it did send a message. another interesting point was the prosecutor got up and said, oh, and by the way, i don't want them to make any money off of this death either. if they're talking about writing books or scripts, all of that should go to ahmaud arbery's family. i can't help but think what if this had happened with the trayvon martin case, how might that look and how might that feel for sybrina fulton who a real american hero and survivor who relives his death every single time something like this happens. what's your take on all of this? >> so if it sent a message, he sent a message to his fellow jurists, his fellow people on the bench because we know, first of all, even though this is justice, we know that like long
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sentences don't -- i want to be clear about that. like his sentencing these people to jail will not stop people from killing black people. >> absolutely, michael. but i think, you know, you get a sense of this is what justice looked like. i thought it was interesting what you just said is it surprised everybody that a white male judge sentenced a white person to a life sentence, which is interesting because, you know, that's supposed to be impartial justice, and we are all surf -- a national news story that a judge did what a judge is supposed to do, and the court system did what the court system is called to do, and the people who we saw murder somebody was convicted of murder. and which says a lot about our criminal justice system in and of itself. >> i completely agree, it was an anomaly, which you're absolutely
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right. hollywood lost another legend this week with the passing of 94-year-old sydney portier. he's best known for his ground breaking roles like "lilies of the field" and "guess who's coming to dinner. he was the first black man to win an academy award and was credited for paving the road for the countless black actors we've all grown up knowing and loving. i was in love with this man, i thought he was so handsome. even when i was young, it was a big deal when you saw black people on tv. sidney portier meant that for so many people. your thoughts. >> you know, i too, tiffany have a kind of personal connection with mr. portier, i really believe he's one of the very first people to kind of teach me about racism at the individual level, that individuals were the people who were perpetuating racism because i was obsessed with old movies and i loved
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"guess what's coming to dinner" when i got in college, i learned that one of the ways in part because of this movie that people could measure racism and antiblack sentiment is whether or not they would let a black person come over for dinner, and i think that speaks to his legacy not only as an artist and an actor, but also as someone who actually absolutely was an agent of social change, not only in his performances but in his work in the social justice movement. so lately i've been thinking about how public people become so personal to each of us, and i'm thinking so much about him and his family and also of us who have been touched by his work. >> i completely agree. i don't want to disparage this man's legacy. i want to get katie in here really quickly. something that people may not know. he was an activist and did so
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much, but i do want to mention that he and diane karo, this is a t, if you don't know this, they had an affair for years and so katie, sidney poitier said to the late great diane c carroll, you leave your boo, i leave my boo, and we're going to do this thing together. so diahann carroll, and sidney poitier said on second thought i'm not so sure. >> that was a power couple. >> right. right. >> i just couldn't believe it went down like that. we're way over time. just curious on your thoughts on the life and the legacy of this lover and this man. >> listen, very quickly, there's that saying, right, with great power comes great responsibility, and mr. poitier said that he consciously chose roles knowing that he would be representing millions of people and the fact that he embraced that, the fact that he
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understood that was his responsibility. he did it with such elegance and quiet certainty and fortitude, really speaks about the legacy of this man. he really is legendary and worthwhile of remembering and of everything that he has done and accomplished in his life. >> absolutely. michael, they're screaming in my ear got to go, i have to get your thoughts on sid knee poitier before we go. >> besides what he did on the screen, never forget that sidney poitier was one of the financial backers of the civil rights movement during the time. he did it quietly, he didn't ask for any applause. that's important too. >> yeah, absolutely. very good point. and he was quite the looker, i thought sidney poitier was one of the most handsome men to ever grace the screen. thank you. we never have enough time on this panel. thank you, guys, for all weighing in. coming up at home, the fight over whether or not to keep kids in school or go remote tees up around the country, but especially in chicago. we're going to talk about that right after the break. e going tt right after the break.
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that. it is a catastrophic cascading effect on our parents and the families, and that doesn't even begin to account for the fact of the social and emotional toll that it takes on our students. >> chicago public schools were closed for a third day in a row on friday amid a clash between the school system and its teachers. now, the teachers union is demanding a return to remote learning saying the schools lack sufficient testing and other safety protocols. in response, the school system canceled classes saying the teachers have orchestrated an illegal work stoppage. this is the biggest dilemma in education right now that many of you at home are dealing with. whether to send kids and teachers and support staff back to the classroom amid the ongoing omicron wave. joining me to discuss is dr. chris pernell and stacy davis gates. dr. pernell, thank you for joining us this saturday. i'll start with you, a lot of my friends are dealing with this. my executive producer said this
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is all her friends are talking about. is there a safe way to send kids back to school from your medical perspective? >> happy new year, tiffany, and thanks for having me. i think we're asking the wrong question too often, should children be in school and the way that you framed it is best. what are the conditions? what are the characteristics or features of the environment that would allow for the safe education of both students and teachers. we need to emphasize on an environmental scan, do schools have appropriate air filtration and ventilation. do schools have appropriate access to testing. do schools have appropriate contact tracing policies. are children and teachers vaccinated at a critical level. when we're able to do that checklist, checklist of basic and foundational elements that need to be in place. we can safely educate our children in school, and i know how important it is to do that. but what is happening right now
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that i would caution people against, we don't need a zero sum game. public health is not about pitting stakeholders against one another. public health is about informing practice, informing and giving guidance so that we can keep the greatest amount of people healthy. >> yeah, absolutely. and stacy, to that point, you know, look, we're -- you're a woman after my own heart. i spent some time in labor organizing at the national education association, so i completely understand your position. but we have to keep in mind that it's not just the students and educators. it's also education support professionals. it's the cafeteria worker, the janitorial staff, the counselors, and sometimes these are older folks. according to the data, omicron is not necessarily spreading in schools. most of the contact comes out of schools, but they bring it in schools and older people are certainly susceptible. i'm curious how you respond to mayor lightfoot who talked about her constituents and single parents and people lacking child care. this is a crisis for everyone
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involved, quite frankly. >> absolutely, tiffany. i am a mother of three chicago public school students. it has been a tough year. that being said, we have to do more than acknowledge the pain. we actually have to put policies in place in order to mitigate the harm of covid. the biden administration sent the chicago public schools $2 billion in order to support infrastructure and mitigations that help us not only open school but remain there. like retail, like the airline industries, we are experiencing staffing shortages. this pandemic has just ravaged our communities, so yes to all of the talking points, and our mayor actually has the ability to create an infrastructure and to partner with the educators and the families on the ground in order to make this work. and make the necessary pivots happen when we need to. and right now this acrimony has
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been frustrating, traumatic, and unnecessary. yesterday we learned that our mayor turned our governor's support down. our governor said i have face coverings, i have vaccination clinics and i have testing for you all and she hasn't taken him up on that. that is, quite frankly, the crux of the issue that we are faced with today. >> i want to talk about testing, and i'll kick this back to you dr. pernell. there were tests, some tests sent home, and i imagine it's not just unique to chicago here, but in chicago during the holiday break, according to the reporting, the teachers union asked for universal pcr tests. there were some, i think 150,000 pcr tests begin to students or 150,000 were never returned, i should say of the 40,000 or so tests that were mailed in, a majority produced invalid results. so testing can't be the only problem, and it certainly can't be the only solution. and even if you're at home testing, we're essentially asking people to rely on the honor system. i don't know that i want to trust that the kid next to me whose parents are anti-maskers
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who don't believe in the vaccine is following protocol, and i'm trusting their results over something else. what's your take on that as a medical professional. >> we definitely need to get more sophisticated around our testing guidelines and parameters. we need to have a mixed approach. what is a mixed approach. there needs to be both availability of pcr tests which are the gold standards and being able to identify coronavirus infections as well as having at home rapid antigen tests. what are those tests best used for, tiffany? they're best used in a serial fashion. i recommend them to people in community. i recommend them to parents and to families. it is a way to say do i have symptoms, am i potentially infectious. is it a safe opportunity to leave my home. we need to get more realistic around the infrastructure that is needed in order to ensure
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that all families and all americans have tests. we can't decide that in the weeks before a holiday. we need to decide that in the down time. we need to decide that in the summer. this pandemic did not just start. this pandemic has been going on for years and we have been talking about the baseline foundational issues that are important in order for families, teachers and students to be safe. >> yeah. i'm so sorry to interrupt you. i want to ask you a really quick question before you do. you're talking about testing. the omicron variant is so transmissive so i'm curious if people get it, like if somebody's got the omicron variant, do they have super immunity, and once everyone gets it, does the variant just dissipate? >> you know, i want to caution people. i want us to go with what we know certainly. we know that omicron is more transmissible. we know it's 2.5 or 3.7 times more transmissible than the delta variant. we don't know that because you've been infected with
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omicron that you can't be infected with another variant that is yet to surface. >> got you. >> the most important thing is to prevent cases. >> right, exactly, and really quickly, we've got about ten seconds left, stacy. what is the one thing that will get teachers and students in the classroom from your perspective? >> leadership and partnership, so far it has been incompetent leadership that has gotten us to this place. look, everyone wants this to work. our member are mothers, our members are mothers of chicago public school students. we want this to work. it's deeply frustrating and it's been traumatic to everyone involved. we need our mayor to come to the table and put the necessary mitigations in place. >> all right, you both have an open invitation to come back here. stacy, certainly please keep us posted on what's happening there, and thank you as always to dr. chris pernell for joining us. coming up, your property, money, and belongings can all be seized even if you are just suspected of a crime. how congress is trying to put an
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what you got on my drink? >> don't lie. >> i have nothing, man. >> what you got? >> i'm broke as a joke. >> you all some high rollers, and you all broke. >> that's right. you all remember devo. that is essentially how some law enforcement has been behaving when it comes to asset forfeitures. strolling these streets asking what you got for my pockets, homie. authorities have received $65 billion from average citizens like you and me, that's billion with a b. they only need to suspect you of a crime to snatch property and money and even law-abiding
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citizens may never see their cash again. the practice is so egregious that congress is finally investigating. joining me now is david b. smith, he's a criminal r defense attorney and one of the top forfeiture experts in the country. i'm so happy to have you on the show. i've been wanting to do this topic for months. i think this is so ridiculous that this happens. i have to be honest, some of the stories and examples that i've seen of asset forfeiture sounds more like a heist than anything associated with law enforcement. how exactly is this legal? >> well, that's a very good question. it's legal because civil forfeitures have been used in great britain and even in the american colonies for centuries. so it's -- i don't think anybody would invent it today if -- you know, on a clean slate. it has this historical
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validation, and actually, the supreme court has written that in its opinions upholding the civil forfeiture practices based on history. of course congress can reform the laws, and they have actually. in the year 2000 there was the first major reform of u.s. civil forfeiture law. i helped write that law, but it hasn't -- it did some good, but it hasn't really stopped this civil forfeiture from continuing. >> yeah, i mean, the law's been reformed, but it hasn't been rolled back, but nonetheless thank you for your work on that law. finally, congress is investigating jamie raskin is the democrat investigating. i want you to take a listen to alexandria o'ocasio-cortez and something she noticed about civil asset forfeitures.
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we'll talk about it after. >> as long as the police can claim that they believe this property is in some way connected to a crime, they can -- you know, this seizure of one's property can just happen without any sort of recourse in the immediate -- in the immediate term, correct? >> that's absolutely true under the federal process. >> and then the police can sell your home or sell this property and use it -- and use the proceeds as revenues, correct? >> after the property has been forfeited, yes. >> this is baffling to me, and i just want to let our viewers know that some of the money from civil asset forfeitures pay for military style vehicles for police departments, such as was the case in st. louis during the unrest there. the money they seize paid for some of the vehicles you saw with standoff with protesters
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there. this is quite baffling. obviously it impacts black people, disproportionate to other people across 21 states. the average forfeiture amount was just over $1,200. these are not drug lords. so my question to you, david, is when the police essentially rob you because that's what's happening here, agents of the state are robbing you, who do you call? what do you do? >> well, if you have money, you can call a lawyer and try to get the lawyer to get your property released or win in court, but one of the two biggest problems with civil forfeiture is you're not entitled to a court-appointed lawyer, and most people cannot afford any lawyer, much less a good lawyer. and you know, frankly, even if you have money to hire a lawyer, it's hard to find a real civil forfeiture lawyer such as myself because there's only about a
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dozen of us in the whole country, which -- who specialize in this area and who really know what they're doing, and they're mostly on the two coasts. if you live in the middle of the country, it's really hard to find a local or, you know, a lawyer who's expert in this area. i mean, they're almost nonexistent, which is kind of strange because there's so many -- >> because it happens so rampantly. i imagine your phone might be blowing up after this segment, david, and just so our viewers know, some reasons why people might have a large amount of cash on them is they might operate a food truck. they might operate a barbershop, a beauty salon, many cash businesses, even though we're increasingly going cashless. david, thank you so much. we will definitely be revisiting this topic, so i appreciate you, and keep your phone lines open, david, because there are plenty
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of people i imagine will be reaching out to you after this. >> i hope so, i'm in alexandria, virginia, if you're looking for me. >> i think people from all over the country will be looking for you. so thank you so much, david, for being here. happy new year to you. coming up at home, despite some reunions, the ongoing horror, absolute horror of migrant children being separated from their parents rages on. we'll discuss the lingering effects on kids from this nightmare trump era policy. stay tuned. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? now they can! with downy light in-wash freshness boosters. just pour a capful of beads into your washing machine before each load. to give your laundry a light scent that lasts longer than detergent alone, with no heavy perfumes or dyes.
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when we were kids, most of us didn't have to worry that we would be ripped from our parents' arms or be forced to learn a different language in a strange country or grow up away from our family and completely forget who we are. but thousands of migrant children separated from their parents in the trump era have lived this american nightmare, and their stories do not end with hugs and tearful airport reunions. after those embraces, the psychological damage from that trauma runs deep, and although more than 2,000 children have been reunited with their parents, more than 1,700 remain separated to this day. joining me now, michelle mendez. she's an attorney for the national immigration project of the national lawyers guild. michelle, some of the stories that i've read about, there are children who were essentially kidnapped, right, from their parents, placed with other families, and they've been calling someone else mom and dad for over a year. they've forgotten their native
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tongue. sometimes they don't want to sleep in their parents' home. they're confused. tell me how parents are unraveling that because you've worked with these families for years. >> that's correct, tiffany, and good morning. yes, years have passed but the trauma still remains for these families, and we know that the trauma still remains for these families because both the parents and the children continue to struggle with the trauma. for example, there's a mother, a domestic violence victim who lives in new york, and she says that her daughter with whom she was separated three years ago and reunited three years ago, that they still are not able to talk about it. her daughter still can't bring herself to discuss what happened to her during the separation. and then there's a father who was brought back to the united states just last year and was separated from his young son in 2017, and he tells us that just now are they able to start discussing family separation. he feels like in more ways than one, he is just now getting his son back to him, even though
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they were physically reunited, and so this goes to show that just being reunited, that alone is insufficient to mend the compounded trauma that these families suffered. >> yeah, i have to say if 1700 white babies were kidnapped, it would still be breaking news. the fact that this falls out of the national discourse is disgraceful, and i want to shoutout my colleague jacob soboroff who keeps this story in the headlines because this is so terrible. you talked about one of the kids who can't even talk about what they went through during separation, while according to reporting by bbc, there was rampant abuse at some of these detention camps. kids talked about sexual abuse. they talked about rampant covid and lice outbreaks. a child waiting hours for medical attention, a lack of clean clothes. hungry children being served undercooked meat. a lot of people in america voted for the administration that allowed this to happen twice mind you and sat back and
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watched it happen. tell me one of the most egregious cases that you've seen with kids trying to cope with the trauma that they experienced and endured. >> i mean, it's so hard to pinpoint just one case, tiffany, because it's just -- there are so many manifestations of this trauma, but if we talk to medical professionals who have evaluated these children, they will tell you that some of the children just regress, regress physically, regress mentally, and will go as far as even like wetting the bed, you know, to behavior that is common of a toddler, right? and these are older children, so this is, again, just one way that this trauma has manifested itself in these children. >> yeah. and you know, so i want to talk a little bit about the parents who are still trying to be reunited. the reunified parents are entering the united states on temporary visas with no
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guarantee they won't be deported again or separated from their children for a separate time, and it takes a while, you know, they can't just show up here and they're here one day and take their kids back, so they have to be here for a while. many landlords are hesitant to rent to these parents who are not documented citizens, who have no source of income, no credit history. it's such a quagmire, and again, i just can't imagine if these kids looked like, for the folks who call themselves pro-lifers, do we care about children or not? you know, and it just seems like we don't. how are parents expected to get around all of these loopholes when trying to get their babies back? >> i mean, you just said it really, really well, right? they're supposed to navigate immigration and the whole, like, maze of immigration. they're supposed to bond with their children or try to reestablish a relationship that was broken by this government at a very crucial moment in that child's life. they're supposed to put food on the table, but again, they're
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supposed to get through this whole process, try to mend through this whole process, but yet they can't put food on the table for their children or they are -- if they are lucky to have a work permit, working, you know, day and night to try to make ends meet. so the parents are really struggling, not just emotionally, psychologically, but also financially. luckily there are organizations like together and free in seneca who are providing things like temporary shelter and groceries and therapy, but they can't do this long-term, right? they need some support long-term. that's where the government comes in. >> there are so many people, michelle, who speak from quite a callus place of privilege and say, well, the parents put their kids in that position and so what. what terrible human beings to think that way because the conditions that many of these parents are escaping, just imagine what you would have to be facing to take your baby and walk thousands of miles and risk life and limb just for a better
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life for your children, and this is what they were met with, and this is what the american government signed off on, and this is nothing new. families have been ripped apart for centuries in this country, and i hope we're finally at a turning point to stop this ugly practice. thank you so much, michelle mendez. an update on the 1,700 kids who remain separated from their families. thank you again. coming up, walk this way. one of the members of run d.m.c. has a special treat just for the kids. look at d.m.c. there, i see you, i'm tossing it back up at you, my friend. d.m.c. joins us next. stay tuned. c. joins us next stay tuned now, you can watch at home too. time to show the world what we're made of. activating "piggy power." nurse mariyam sabo knows a moment this pure... ...demands a lotion this pure. new gold bond pure moisture lotion. 24-hour hydration. no parabens, dyes, or fragrances.
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to rock around that's right on time, it's tricky is the title. all right, darryl mcdaniels has managed to do it numerous times as one of the pioneers of hip-hop. now he's taking his pen and pad and dropping a children's book titled "darryl's dream." here to tell us about it is run d.m.c.'s darryl mcdaniels. that's why he rocks the rhymes and i rock the anchor chair. so thrilled to talk about your children's book. you're one of the pioneers of hip-hop. i've been a fan since 1984, i think. so thank you so much for being here. what made you get into the children's book sector? >> that actually wasn't part of the plan. tiffany, as you know, everything i've created especially musically would inspire, motivate and entertain, but at the same time, it would make people see the greatness and potential in them. so all of the last 40 years, you all know darryl from when he got
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out of high school, went to st. john's university, hooked up with running jay and walked this way with aerosmith to tell the world it's tricky to rock a rhyme, but if you remember, tiffany, when i first started on my first record, i said i'm d.m.c. in the place to be, i go to st. john's university. since kindergarten i acquired the knowledge, after 12th grade i went straight to college. everything i've done with hip-hop and rock and roll inspired and motivated. so now i realized something, i could do with a kid's book the very same thing i've been doing all these years with my music and my videos. i can inspire and motivate the kids, and it's for two reasons, to let them know this. they are perfect just the way they are and just the way they are allows them to have everything necessary for them to succeed. that little kid, young d.m.c. darryl in the book is them. so i want them to see the possibilities for them to be who
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they are and become the people they were put here to be because, tiffany, then the next great journalist like you and the next great entertainers and doctors and lawyers and scientists and astronauts, so it's to encourage, to inspire, and also in this day and age, tiffany, you are perfect just like you are. >> i love that. well, first of all, i want you to know that as you were dropping that rhyme, the crew here in the studio, everybody started rapping along. i love that. >> exactly, they know it. >> you make such a good point. >> it's a classic. you are an icon. you rapped about going to college. i remember even with krs 1. absolutely. i remember him saying scott la rock has a college degree, and this was something to be proud of. >> yes. >> right. >> so hip-hop has really changed in some of the messaging that we hear now. so i'm curious if you, darryl,
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today could talk to little darryl at that time, what would be your message to little darryl, like the character in your book? >> yes, everything that people -- excuse me. everything that people think isn't cool about you is some of the coolest things not just on earth, in the universe. tiffany, i got teased and picked on because i wore glasses, but when i got on that microphone, i took rock and roll, and i took hip-hop, i took education and creativity, and i said, these for doing it all the time, c's for cool as can be, and why you wear those glasses and i would say so i can see. so a lot of kids think my freckles, my red hair, i'm not as tall as this person. i wear glasses, oh, i got to take piano lessons, oh, i got to take violin lessons. i want kids to know, the arts and creativity and education is
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powerful. your freckles make you incredible. your red hair makes you incredible. your height makes you incredible. i would tell little darryl in the book he's ashamed of his glasses. i would tell him, do not be ashamed of who you are. you are who you are for a reason. >> i love that. >> i rhymed about christmas. i rhymed about family. you know what i'm saying? you all can relate. the reason why the book is so -- the children can have something to relate. i want them to see the power and beauty in themselves. that's what d.m.c. did my whole career, inspire, motivate, but make you realize you can be greater than the mighty king of rock. >> the mighty king of rock. who knew we are way over time because you have so much to say. i'm going to put you on the spot right now and ask you, will you please come back on this show? because i have so many more questions. i wanted to talk to you about
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hip-hop. my brother and i used to sit in the kitchen and try to memorize it's tricky. please come back on the show. this requires a bigger conversation. >> it promise i will come. i promise i will come. >> i'm going to follow up with your team. thank you so much, darryl mcdaniels. >> have a good day, everybody. >> thank you, thank you, and same to you. thank you so much, and guys, don't go anywhere because coming up tomorrow on the sunday show with jonathan capehart, congressman jamie raskin will join my friend to talk about his recently released memoir "unthinkable." that's tomorrow right here on msnbc at 10:00 a.m. eastern, and maybe he will talk about that committee he's heading up, bipartisan committee on civil asset forfeitures. jonathan's got the big names tomorrow on the sunday show. check it out. you don't want to miss it. check it out you don't want to miss it.
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all right, that's our show for today, we're way over time. sorry to my friend alex. she's coming up right now, so stay tuned for my friend alex witt. >> you are officially dubbed today the coolest anchor in television for having just like that, and its efforts for racial equality and inclusion, and all that discussion, you go girl, so you know. >> thank you, alex. >> i don't mind that you took a few minutes or seconds of the show. have a good one. we'll see you next saturday. >> thanks, alex. a very good day to all of

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