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the capitol in an insurrection hoping to hold the presidency illegally for donald trump. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts right now. right n ow good evening once again. i'm ali velshi, they 351 of the biden administration. just an hour from now it will be exactly one year from the day we all watched in realtime as a mob march to the capitol. launched a siege on the building and then tried to stop the duly elected president from being formally declared the winner of the election. it was a scene most of us could never imagine happening in america. earlier today, one of the capitol police officers who took the brunt of the attack from supporters of donald trump summed up where things stand a year later. >> it was hard to believe that it's been a year but here we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.
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>> both president biden and kamala harris will speak to the nation tomorrow. this afternoon, the white house gave us a preview of biden's remark. >> i would expect the president biden will lay out the significance of what happened at the capitol and the singular responsibility. president trump has for the casting carnage that we saw it and will forcibly pushed back on the live spread by the former president in an attempt to mislead the american people and its own supporters. as well as distract from his role and what happened. >> democratic members of congress will also mark the anniversary of the insurrection with several events on capitol hill. republican leaders are not expected to take part. senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, and a bipartisan group of senators made up of multi republicans plan to travel to atlanta to attend the funeral of the late senator, johnny isakson. trump loyalist and house members, marjorie taylor greene and matt gates, will weigh in with their own views of the january six with what they are calling the, quote, republican response.
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meanwhile, demands for accountability with regard to the capitol riot are growing louder and they're being increasingly directed to the biden justice department. as the new york times asked, quote, will the justice department move beyond charging the rioters themselves? today the attorney general, merrick garland tried to respond to the mounting pressure on his department. during his speech, garland gave something of an update on the ongoing criminal investigation into the ryan. and he noted that more than 700 people have been arrested and charged. he then vowed to pursue everyone who might have been involved in the insurrection. >> the justice department remains committed to holding all january six perpetrators at any level accountable under law. whether they were president that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. we will follow the facts wherever they lead.
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as long as it takes and whatever it takes for justice to be done because insistent with the facts and the law. i understand that this may not be the answer that some are looking for. but we will and we must speak through our work. >> that one member of the january six select committee says he is concerned about what attorney general garland didn't say. >> what was left unsaid is what about the rules of those involved, not just on the sink, but in the days leading up to the six in the aftermath of the six. who made of broken the law. what comes to mind to me is the efforts of the former president to get the secretary of state of georgia to essentially find 11,780 boats that don't exist. there was no indication from attorney general that issues like that were under investigation. and i don't believe that that could be left to a local or district attorney's office.
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>> meanwhile, a new report from axios says that people associated with former president, former vice president, mike pence, are helping the january six committee. the pieces they have been particularly cooperative as the january 6th select committee focuses on what former president trump was doing during more than three hours that the capital was under attack. earlier today the panel did meet with former trump white house press secretary, stephanie grisham. she served as melania trump's press secretary at the time of the right. it we're shen says that she plans to continue cooperating with the committee. one of the two republican members on the january six committee says that they are also getting critical information for many former white house aides without having to resort to subpoenas. >> let's say that we never talk to president trump, or we never talk to any high individuals. we are going to have people all that have a piece of that story. a slice of different moments in time that we can put together into the bigger picture as we
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know how investigations go. you put those pieces together and then you move up the ladder. that is what we are doing. and i think you're going to have continued cooperation by a significant number of people. >> with that let's bring in our lead off guest on this wednesday night, yamiche alcindor, is the white house correspondent for the pbs news hour and the moderator of washington week. also on pbs. jonathan karl jon is the chief correspondent for abc news he is the author of the new york times bestseller, betrayal, the final act of the trump show. and katie benner, is the reporter for the new york times. welcome to all of. you good to have you here. yamiche, let's start with you. we're going to hear for the president tomorrow, the president has given us a preview. they say that they are going to lay the blame for january six squarely at donald trump's feet. but this is a tough line for the president who got elected. he ran and got elected on the idea that he is going to be a unifying near of some sorts. >> that is right ali. but when it comes to january
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six president biden has always been crystal clear. he saw the attack on the capital as a state on our democracy. he sees it as a real threat to american democracy. and he has always said that the people who are responsible should be held accountable. he has been very clear that he wants to be independent of the department of justice's investigation. but we can expect that tomorrow on the anniversary of this terrible day where we saw white supremacists and all sorts of hate groups and all sorts of people who were fueled by the lies fell to them by the former president trump, that he is going to president biden i'm going to be forceful with this words. he is going to be marking the moments and marking the cinemas of this moment in our history. this is a moment where american democracy was almost brought to its knees. and this, is a white house where it is not clear not only inwards but inaction where people need to be held accountable. we of course know that president biden has waived executive privilege by many of the documents sought out by the january six investigation committee. that is going to be something that he is absolutely going to
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be clear about tomorrow. tomorrow's gonna be an emotional speech. i am told there's also gonna be a speech where he's marking the day and reminding people that this is not sort of a tourist visit. this was not a sort of protests gone wrong. this was one of the darkest days in american history and we expect the president to say just that. >> not a tourist visit indeed. katie benner, you and i had this conversation a number of time, and the attorney general said it today. he said that we will pursue this investigation wherever he goes for as long as it takes. and there's a lot of people very frustrated with the as long as it takes part. you pointed out that proper investigations, legal investigations to take time. the last four times of the trump administration gave us the sense that everything doesn't work through the normal process. but what merrick garland said today is still going to be unsatisfying to a lot of people. >> it is going to be unsatisfying, but he was really trying to create realistic expectations, first of all investigations take a long time. this is not something that's going to happen quickly even in the court's public opinion that
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donald trump has already been condemned and convicted. second of all, the reality is that the justice department needs to bring any case against the former president or anybody who worked in the white house any former official. they need to be ironclad. they need to have very strong evidence. not just because it has to get through a district court and the jury. but also the appeals court in washington d.c.. and the supreme court. nobody knows the players in both the appeal court or the supreme court better than merrick garland. and he knows that this is not a place to bring novel legal series, it is not a place to take risks because judges will rejected. keep in mind it is the course that has already expanded the power of the presidency. it is the courts that have expanded the power of the executive branch. so any robust an investigation will start to chip away at the privileges that the court has already brought. and they will have to convince juries in courts that this is a prosecution that is winnable. this is an extremely high bar, much higher bar than we saw in
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either of donald trump's impeachment. which keep in mind, while the president was impeached, he was not ultimately convicted and removed. this is a much higher burden than that. so even though garland said in his speech today that we are not for closing investigations with the president, we are not for closing investigations into his allies, we still have to meet evidentiary standards. which will take a long time to meet in order to bring a case. >> jonathan carl, good to see you my friend. you write in your book about the last days of the trump administration and you have written in a commentary this week about what would have happened if just little things were different by a matter of degree on january six last year. including if the vice president of the united states at the time, mike, pence had decided to go with what donald trump and his cronies were planning. if you have decided to simply amount while he was in congress that he was not certifying the election in favor of joe biden.
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>> mike pence is somebody who had been supremely loyal to donald trump. he stood by him after charlottesville. even during the 2016 campaign he didn't utter a peep of criticism after the access hollywood tape came out. he never stood up to donald trump. he had never challenged him once in public and there is little evidence that he had done so in private either. but on this moment he was disloyal at precisely the right time. and whatever about today is that, although the record is pretty clear, when you talk to constitutional scholars from a left to the right. basically anybody who wasn't immediately around donald trump in the days before january six, they will say that pence did not have the authority to single-handedly throw out joe biden's election victory. he didn't have the authority to throughout those electoral votes. and it is kind of insane to think that he did that one person could effectively choose
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the president of the united states. but here's the question that i explore today. and i talked to michael logic who is one of the most prominent and well respected conservative jurors and former appellate judge, former direct, former head of the office of legal counsel of the justice department under the first george bush. he said that the it is clear and he had vice pence, he said he advised pence not to do it but he had no choice but to simply count the votes as they were open. he said, while pence had no authority to do otherwise. it is unclear who had the authority to stop him if he had done it. and michael luttig, argues that we would've been in the state of maximum chaos. that is not even clear to the supreme court had the authority to take up that question. and this could've been the moment that we would've known -- >> right, that was a question that was swirling around everybody's minds, also it's of issues. including what happened to
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donald trump when he doesn't leave the white house. people near that he had to but the question is who actually removes it. what does the military do? michael luttig, made an interesting point that this probably would've gotten working out overtime. but in that time we would've been an actual constitutional crisis. an important thing for people to remember. yamiche, a year ago in the days following january six, republicans and democrats seem to genuinely speaking that agreed what happened was really bad and should never happen again, many of them were prepared to blame donald trump for. some, are republicans will not be participating in any of the formal remembrance exercises of what happened last year. >> ali, it is one of the starkest things that happened after january six. at the beginning of january six when the capitol had been broken into, when i was hearing from sources that everyone from how speaker and house minority leader, kevin mccarthy had been calling the president and telling him that he needed to
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say something, telling him to say something. that this was. wrong -- before january six had stuck by the president through all sorts of mayhem. there was a sense that the republican party was going to move away from trump. and what we saw of course was in fact former president trump really strengthened his grip on the party. and by doing that he was able to sort of metastasized this lie and spread it throughout the gop. and really, now it's become the sort of litmus test of whether or not you are a true conservative. whether or not you believed the election lie. in some states, now across the country, that is how you're going to get elected for local officials. that is how you're going to get elected to different positions in this country. so, what we have seen here is a complete one 80 republicans and establish republicans who would talk about the constitution before january six. we'll talk about the wrong this of former president trump after january six. they have also fallen in line because they want to keep hold of power based on the sources that i've talked to you. and they're all focused on
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making sure that they stay in the former president's good graces. and this to me, i talk to experts, is how frankly democracy has died. when you have someone like former president trump, who has decided that he is the end all, be all leader of a party. and that he is spreading misinformation and lies and there are people willing to be violent for him. and then the people who are supposed to be in checks and balances. those sort of establishments and figures who have been elected that they don't stand up to that person that is when things really really get dicey and we've seen of course over the last year dozens of whopping passed by gop legislators. restricting the right to vote. all based on this lie and it really is a scary time when you talk to immigrants who have emigrated to america, because they wanted a stable american democracy pleading cases like, in haiti, venezuela, belarus. they say that this is sort of what they have seen in their own countries and how things have gotten really really scary and got in stable. so this is absolutely the thing that we're talking about. and continue to talk about. because it's now a sort of slow
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january six happening in different states. [interpreter] >> we heard from the chief of the u.s. capitol police, katie, about increasing threats to members of congress. we've heard tonight about sort of rumblings, though nothing specific, about threats about things that could happen tomorrow. what is the federal government and justice department and fbi stands now on dealing with threats like this and how do they think about them differently than they did prior to january 6th? >> internally, the department of homeland security and the fbi, the agencies are taking seriously threats against the capital leading up to january 6th and tomorrow and they are also taking seriously threats against lawmakers. and i want to emphasize that it's not that threats were not taken seriously during the trump administration. and i've spoken with researchers and law enforcement officers inside the hss, and they said that every time the president spoke about someone
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he did not like, whether that was former officials like jeff sessions or rod rosenstein, whether it was opponents in congress, every time he named people he did not like, the spike of threats against that person was huge. so it's almost like they were under a wash of threat so constant it was really hard to keep up with the flow. obviously, we are in a different political time right now. so, again, threats are taken seriously. it's just a very different tone and tenor of threats. so that is what is happening. second of all, we are definitely seeing the justice department trying to address the idea of threats. we saw that in the attorney general speech today. merrick garland said clearly that despite the fact we have seen startling polling, not the majority, but still the majority, believe that violence is not an answer to political conflict, that is actually not the answer, we cannot think that way. we cannot think that way in a
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democracy. we have to have a hard, bright line against political violence. >> jonathan was karl, the january six committee is looking at people in trump's inner circle and trying to get information, basically what happened right from the election to january 6th. how does that materialize, in your opinion? are these going to be people who participate in public hearings? what will it end up -- what effect will it end up having? >> i think that the case they are trying to make is the january 6th. it's called the january six committee. but january 6th was about more than the riot that day. it was about more than the attacks on the building and the police officers, all of the mayhem that we saw. it was about the effort to overturn the election. and that began immediately after the election, it began on election night, when trump went to the east room and said he had won an election he had actually lost. so they are going to be going
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through and they want to establish first and foremost that what he was saying about the election was a lie. we all know that, we've read, it we've seen audits that were done in georgia, we saw that the senate republicans in michigan did their investigation. we saw even the cyber ninjas come up with no evidence in arizona. but i think what you will see is that high profile members of the presidents inner circle thought that what he was saying was flatly wrong, say it in public. i think one person they would like to see testify in public, in prime time, would be former attorney general bill barr, who told me in the interview for betrayal, that it was all bleep. that there was nothing to it. that there was nothing to what trump was saying. he went and investigated the allegations in all those contested states and came back and told the president directly that there was nothing to it. and trump went on and continue to try to overturn the election. >> he was not dissuaded.
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thanks to all three of you for helping us out, yamiche some alcindor, katie benner and jonathan karl, them and coming, up they told her to then, why can't they tell the truth now. now not so much. our friend eugene robinson and our friend bill kristol are here to compare a contrast. and later, you may think you are fully vaccinated but given recent guidance on boosters, you may be unclear as to what fully vaccinated actually means. one of our top doctors is here to discuss, "the 11th hour" just getting underway on wednesday night. y night.
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solution. >> this is the cost of telling thousands of people that there is a legitimate shot of overturning the election. >> in the year since the attack on the capital, the vast majority of republicans have refused to condemn the former president or the actions that led to the uprising. the new york times with this headline tonight -- trump's hold on the gop is unrivaled. quote, his rehabilitation, to the extent one was even needed among republicans, is the latest example of an enduring lesson of his tumultuous time in politics. that mr. trump can outlast almost any outrage cycle, no matter how intensely it burns. the spotlight shifts. the furor fades. then, he writes history, end quote. with us tonight, eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the washington post and bill kristol, author, writer, thinker and politico, veteran of the reagan and bush administrations and the editor at large at "the bulwark" and you are also involved with the
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group that put this ad together. it's running on conservative networks, in fact. the target of those ads or that ad is not democrats. it's republicans. it's people who might be reminded what's right looks like. >> yeah, that's right, i'm proud to be part of the group that did this ad. our video genius put it together. i think it's compact and crisp. and it makes the point. before they could look at the polls, before they could get intimidated by primary challengers, before they could get intimidated by donald trump, once again, people reacted in realtime to what happened. and now something happens, you get that first reaction before you think, the honest reaction. then you spend week weeks, months, years, papering that over. but they've spent a year papering it over and distorting it. it's important to help some people at least -- there may be some, ten, 20, 5%
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who will say, yes, that was terrible. and then, secondly, why is the party denying it now? the reason they are denying it now is because they are terrified of trump. it's trump's party. and by denying it now they are emboldening efforts to steal elections and distort elections and foster this big lie, and so i hope that that can be a tiny part of obviously much bigger efforts. and right now we have the january six committee, to really bring home the truth of what happened and not just it let go down the memory hole. >> eugene, there are a lot of republicans are some republicans who will say, all right, it happened, it was bad, yeah, it was trump's fault. but let's put this behind us and move on. you wrote this week in a column that in order to save our democracy there must be a reckoning about january 6th. what do you mean by that? what is a real reckoning look like? >> well, a reckoning means finding out exactly what happened. it was planned, how it was
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planned, how is organized and how is directed. and how it happened. so all of the work that the january 6th committee is doing has to be done. the same time the justice department has to continue its prosecutions of the insurrectionists who committed these violent acts at the capitol and salted police officers and he filed the capitol, break and tons of laws on the process. and has to go beyond that -- has attorney general garland said today, he is certainly not shy of doing -- look at the plots in the planks and the orders. to see if there are criminal charges that need to be files on some of the higher ups. and then there also has to be a reckoning in terms of what almost happened.
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so, the idea that mike pence could have, you know, thoroughly just changed the electoral votes if he chose to do so. so i think one quick and relatively easy thing to do would be to reform the electoral count act, which is kind of ambiguous and unclear and make it clear that vice president does not have the power, so there is no question going forward. >> bill, let me ask you about donald trump -- he has decided to not do his press conference or whatever he was going to do tomorrow. but matt gates and marjorie taylor greene are going to present something that they call a republican response. i am not clear on who allows them to do that. or who these republicans are who think that that is a good idea. >> well, those two do, and they are members of congress. as you know, they can get a room and stand outside and have a press conference and make claims. but of course it is about
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donald trump in large part. i would add that to gene's list of why we need to -- [inaudible] donald trump's right now leading in polls to be the republican nominee for president. there is some chance that the republicans will win the next election. we could have a recession, god knows what. anyway, there's a chance the republicans will win and trump is likely to be the nominee. it's very important for people to come to grips with a serious question. should this man be president again? one of the risks of that? liz cheney has put that very powerfully. and liz trump is someone who got along with trump. she supported the republican party. is this man -- and republicans cannot take that attitude of, oh, well, it's a nomination, i'm a republican, i guess i have to support him. i think one thing that is important here is to make people come to grips with what
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trump did and that's why it is so important to take responsibility. for trying to use the instrumentalities, to pressure state officials to overturn the election. and then the lying about it afterwards, of course, as well, and the dereliction of duty that afternoon, 187 minutes. i think the committee is very interested in that. he knew what was happening and he refused to stop it because he wanted the violence and intimidation in chaos. >> and we are learning more and more about who told him what's in those 187 minutes. these gentlemen are staying with us. coming up, the attorney general put it simply today. it's all up to congress now to ensure that every eligible voter to cast a vote. one of the chances of that? happening when the 11th hour continues. continues. do you struggle to fall asleep and stay asleep?
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happened that governs whatever happens on january six. you tweeted today that maybe he will, maybe he won't. but that is not where our attention should be focused. >> i am strongly for reforming it. i personally vibe with the judge that will introduce that bill as well as the other two bills. and move the balls. which would be the easiest way to explain it to people. -- and to happen in terms of the state legislators on january six itself. -- having said that, that bill has not been -- yet. there are two other bills, which are good. bills if the republicans want some strike part to it they should not be debated on the floor. but i'd suggest that it may will be imposed to take out the parts that they like the most. they can refuse to let them even be debated. in that situation we now face the child lewis act. >> eugene robinson, we are interested in hearing with the vice president and the president have to say tomorrow about january six.
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and of course, there have been some pressure on them both to lean into the voting rights aspect of things a little bit more. it is something that has been somewhat more resistant depending on your perspective. there's some critics that have been too resistant about it. but do you expect to happen, and what do you think can happen if the president decides that they are going all in on voting rights? >> well, look, if the president decides that this is a number one issue and a number one initiative then that has a big impact in washington. and so, that is one thing that he will do more to lean into the voting rights question tomorrow when they give remarks. because, you know, we are talking about the survival of our democracy. we are talking about the basic right to vote and we are talking about the recent tense across the country to restrict that. in ways that favor the republican party. and we simply can't allow that
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to happen. so president does have a point. he should put whatever pressure on that he can apply. >> bill, you and your group have taken on an ad on conservative television tonight. the difference with the president is that if he has this politics, and he goes, on and he still has kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. how does he solve that problem? >> well, manchin and sinema support the bill. the question is how they voted for it to support changing the filibuster in certain ways to make it possible to pass it. i think that he needs to try to persuade them. maybe they need to do another. vote maybe need to pull out individual parts of the vote. no intimidation for elected officials. no pardons of overruling by election admission to live. let's just put that on the floor. are republicans really don't impose that? i think that there might be ways to begin to make it harder for republicans to oppose this
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and also convince manchin and sinema that the republicans can keep on opposing. they've got to support the forms of the filibuster. they've opened that door. manchin has at least some. but with those doors will be is not so clear right now. >> gentlemen, thank you for your time tonight. eugene robinson and bill kristol. coming up, pivotal to a new normal. fighting to learn to live with the risk of covid. when the 11th hour continues. ur continues i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase,
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surge in cases. the cdc says it will not change the definition of what it means to be fully vaccinated. but the agency released new guidance today and now recommending that all people, all eligible people stay quote, up to date. staying up today with covid vaccine shots. back with us tonight is celine gounder, professor of menace and infectious diseases at the end why you school of medicine and bellevue hospital. she is part of a panel that advised the biden team. she hosts a weekly podcast on the impact of the coronavirus called epidemic. doctor gounder, it is good to see you again. i want to get your sense of this. because you and i have been talking throughout the entire pandemic about the pattern of it. when we saw omicron start in south africa we saw a steep ramp up and then we saw a steep dropoff. and we saw that elsewhere. americas bigger. the geography is larger. it is more complicated. how do you process where we are in this continued moment and how we should be responding? >> ali, i do think that we are
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going to see a similar spike up and spiked backed down here in the united states with respect to omicron transmission. but there is, as you point out, some very important differences in terms of the demographics of country like south africa. a much younger country. many of their immunocompromised patients have hiv a.i.d.s., in this country. we have older people, not only do we have people with hiv and a.i.d.s. but also people who are highly immunosuppressed from associations with cancer, diseases, all the different medications that they may be taking. so we have a slightly different context in which the omicron variant is playing out here. >> what is your sense of people who are saying that this new variant is so contagious. and so many people are getting it that it is causing some people to think, hey, maybe i should get this and just get it
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over with. >> i really think that it is a misunderstanding of what is immunity. i think we have to be very careful about advocating something like that. something like chip gain talks were saying that we should just allow the virus to spread without trying to stop it. and i think there is a few reasons for that. one, dr. fauci notes that we do not know what will all of the characteristics of this new virus are in this new variant. we know that it appears to be milder in younger people and one of the reasons is that it seems to favor the upper airway over the lower airways and more in the nose and throat than in the lungs so as to cause less severe disease. but we don't know as well how it's going to play out in older people and highly immunocompromised people. particularly those who may not have been vaccinated yet. and we don't know what it means in terms of long covid. so right now it does seem like it's a more benign variant but
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i think it is too early to say that this is just a common cold. >> you are a public health professional. what is your sense of the warnings that we've been getting from doctors about hospitals filling up in terms of icu beds, staff getting sick, stuff shortages in the health care field areas to this matter? >> i am seeing it firsthand. a bellevue hospital where i work, many of our staff are out sick right. now they are really understaffed and it is creating tremendous stress on the system. we are really trying to avoid any kind of elective procedures and get everyone out that we possibly can. in needs of an out -- we are pulling doctors from outpatient clinics, and people who were supposed to be on holiday or we're pulling them back in. to help stop and stuff the hospital right now. we're definitely seeing an impact on we have to remember that just because the virus is
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more benign, relatively speaking, let's say toughest deadly, if you have twice as many cases than in actually get to the exact same number of deaths. so this is still a very dangerous variant that we're dealing with here. >> a very good way to put it. because a lot of people have been struggling with explaining to people that it may be not as fatal but there is a lot more of it around. what is your sense of the cdc guidance around staying fully vaccinated without describing what fully vaccinated means? meaning, whether it involves a booster? >> i think that that's an appropriate recommendation. i think, on the one hand, with respect to preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death -- and so the bulk of what is truly destructing to the society -- the first two doses in the pfizer and moderna series are very good at preventing severe disease hospitalization and death. and where we occasionally see
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breakthrough infections turning bad, it's really the elderly, the highly immunocompromised and people living in nursing homes. if you want to further reduce risk, reduce risk of infection, transmission and so on, the additional doses become especially important. as you see new variants emerge, there is a role, potentially, for additional doses of vaccine. but i think especially when you consider -- when you talk about mandates and requirements -- i think you have a higher bar to cross, so to speak, in terms of why you are recommending a dose of the vaccine. is it in the public's general interest or not? >> celine, good to see you as always, dr. celine gounder. coming up, an inside look into the fbi's january 6th investigation and their efforts to identify those who stormed the capitol, when "the 11th hour" continues. ur" continues.
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as we mentioned, hundreds of rioters have already been charged for their actions on january 6th. but one of the largest and most complex investigations in fbi history is ongoing, as investigators work to identify people who stormed the capitol. nbc news correspondent pete williams has an inside look at the fbi's work. >> a year after the worst attack on the u.s. capitol since the british torched it 200 years ago, the fbi hasn't stopped working to identify rioters. this exclusive look shows agents and analysts combing through tens of thousands of photos and videos. investigators also used facial recognition software and cell phone records that allowed them to plot the movements of individual people inside the capitol, the largest use ever of that technique. >> it was all over the capitol grounds. >> steven -- is a member in charge of the washington field office and says a priority now is identifying rioters who attacked police, like this man,
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who used a long probe to administer shocks. >> he's giving him an electrical jolt? >> correct. >> that must be painful. >> i imagine it would be, it would be like any taser. >> or this man, beating a police officer with a long poll. >> that one, right there, he hit him in the head. >> or this man, shown spring of chemical at officers. >> he grabs a riot shield, throws the cannon, and starts beating the officers. >> police have received hundreds of thousands of tips responding to photos like these on the fbi website. tips have even come from my chair drivers and waiters. >> we've had restaurant workers turn someone in because they've overheard someone talking about it. >> charges have now been filed against 700 people and about one fourth of pleaded guilty. but the big question remains unanswered. was there actually a planned relevant advanced to storm the capital or was the case of
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seizing the moment? >> it matters in terms of record history. to get a sense of what this was all about. was it a perfect storm of a failure of security? extremist coalescing around the capitol? or was it something greater? >> members of the far-right oath keepers and proud boys have been charged with conspiracy but -- say they were prepared for violence in the streets. and the fbi has yet to figure out who planted to pipe bombs at democratic and republican national headquarters. no breakthrough so far despite surveillance video showing the suspected that night on some capitol hill. >> why don't you know yet to place these bombs? >> they are covered from head to toe, right? they have a hoodie on, glasses, mask, gloves. fully clothed. >> the fbi has even compiled this map showing the bombing suspects moving movements that night. >> what do you see in the video? what are they doing? >> the person is walking on
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this road here. >> one bomb was placed just outside the democratic office entrance. >> pretty close to that corner? >> yeah, close to that area there. >> our thanks to pete williams for that reporting. coming, up the powerful message around how we deal with trauma, whether personal or, shared win "the 11th hour" continues. hour" continues.
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the last thing before we go tonight is about trauma. maryland congressman jamie
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raskin and his family experience profound trauma a little over a year ago when their 25 year old son tommy died by suicide on new year's eve. in his book unthinkable raskin is open about losing his son. on deadline white house he today he explained nicole wallace explained why he thinks it is so important to be public about his family's experience. >> you turn on some of the news and you look at the internet, you would think that america is all about violent polarization and mutual hatreds. and that's not been our families experience. we have had wonderful messages, thousands and thousands of messages from people across the country across the political spectrum, reaching out to us. we have had veterans who have battled mental illness, a veterans families who have lost people to suicide. we have had other families whose kids are going through depression or who have lost
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kids, reach out to us. there is a lot of pain out there. 800,000 families lost someone to covid. we've lost tens of thousands of people recently to gun violence in the country. the mental and emotional health crisis is out of control. the opioid crisis. this is a country that is in pain. this is a country that is wounded. and the way to deal with trauma is to speak of trauma, for people to be able to express their truths and to use the trauma as a bonding mechanism so that we can connect with other peoples pain and loss and then move forward. and i think that that is what is going to get us out of it. otherwise we will get into cycles of pain in cycles of violence and depression. and we don't want that. so for me, i know my wife sarah makes fun of me because i don't distinguish between public life and private life and that's kind of what you were touching on. for me, it is just life.
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i want life to get better for every american. we can do so much better than we have done over the last few years. all of us cam. >> well, tomorrow we will all speak of the trauma that raskin and this nation experienced on january 6th, 2021. it helps that we are all together and must do better in the days ahead. that's our broadcast for this wednesday night, with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of my colleagues here was nbc news, goodnight. c news, goodnight. tonight on all in, the january six committee wants to talk to mike pence. >> i would hope that he would do the right thing and come forward and voluntarily talk to the committee. >> tonight, new insight into how trump's coup nearly worked and how is vice president got
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in the way. >> he did not want to adversaries across the globe to see them fleeing the capital. >> then the capitol police officer harry dunn, on seeking the full truth of what happened one year after january six. plus, the daily beast, matt fuller, on his front row seat to the house and saying nothing has changed. the big picture of where we stand on investigations as the attorney general attempts to answer his critics. >> the actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tomorrow is the one year anniversary of the january 6th insurrection. and tonight, on the eve of that violent they, there is still one major lingering question from donald trump's attempted coup. while there are many. but here's when i keep going back to. we know now that it is quite established, after

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