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we crossed through the looking glass. comedians are confused because i make jokes sometimes with you and sometimes you're like wait, are you joking or did that actually happen? did someone say that? it's a dangerous time which is why we got to stick together. >> pete dominic, congratulations on your 500th show. thanks for joining us tonight. thanks for coming on "the beat". >> thank you for always joining me, professor. >> that does it for me. "the reidout" with joy reid is next. howdy. >> i'm not calling you professor, sorry. i know you are one. whatever. this is a very quick tease, so my who won the week, jason, involves you because you and me, did we not try to win a week? >> my gosh, yes. if you tell that story, okay, okay, okay. i'm so excited. >> okay. professor, i'm going to call you professor because of that. we won the week and that's a tease. thank you. see you later. thank you, jason. all right, cheers good evening.
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we begin "the reidout" with the investigation on the on going threat of our democracy today. the inner circle did when many refuse to do, show up before the house select committee on the january 6th insurrection but he refused to talk. dirty trickster roger stone invoked his right to self-incrimination. >> i invoked my fifth amendment rights to every question not because i've done anything wrong but i'm fully aware of the house democrats' long history of fabricaing perjury charges on the base of inmaterial or irrelevant. >> for the record, stone was previously convicted of lying to congress and the only reason he's a freeman today is because they commuted his prison sentence and pardoned him.
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they are looking into stone's involvement in the planning of anti democratic rallies january 5th and 6th leading to the attack on the capitol. the committee said he solicited donations for the committee invited to a lead a marge to the capitol but didn't go. stone was subpoenaed with right wing conspiracy theorists alex jones and a deposition for jones scheduled for tomorrow has been postponed. as the committee continues its investigation, following this week's vote to hold former white house chief of staff mark meadows in criminal contempt. senate minority leader addison mitch mcconnell in the twilight of his career fresh from reelection with no elections to worry about for six years, if ever again and having successfully thieved, ka fived and bullied the court he wanted into existence has returned to stating the obvious. >> i think fact-finding is
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interesting. we're all going to be watching it. it was a horrendous event and i think what they're seeking to find out is something the public needs to know. >> really, addison? that's the same mitch mcconnell in may led senate republicans in blocking a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the siege on the capitol. you can always smell the brimstone. he's saying he's watching what's unfolding on the house side and which participants are revealed because while the clown show of roger stone is a spectacle and it is a spectacle, the question is what were sitting members of congress doing and who were they communicating with on january 6th? like election denying congressmen jim jordan whose office admitted he was one of the lawmakers whose text to mark meadows was revealed this week. that's something one of my next guests says is written confirmation jordan is a traitor to the constitution.
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and joining me now is congressman ruben of arizona and don callaway, founder of the national voter protection action found and glenn, former federal prosecutor and msnbc columnist. i'll start with you congressman giago. this is a text read during the proceedings to hold mark meadows in contempt and this was the text on january 6th, 2021 vice president mike pence as president of the senate should call out all electoral votes he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all in accordance with guidance from alexander hamilton basically saying the vice president should throw out the result of the election. he forwarded that text, he forwarded it to mark meadows. you said that means he's a traitor to the constitution. please explain. >> look, it was a very much
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fraud. what he is doing is interfering in the procession of congress in terms of passing on in democracy and using, you know, very fluttery words of james madison to absolutely have nothing to do with the powers of the vice president that day as an excuse to obstruct the power of congress is still illegal. and therefore in my opinion a traitor act trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power. he's going to say as like a criminal being caught by a police officer in the middle of it just starting to scream may versus madison. you're still a traitor. it doesn't matter how you wrap up your reasoning for it. >> let me broaden this out, congressman. before the civil war, there were literal traitors with an enemy
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fanks that same flag is flown by the insurrectionists as they entered the capitol, defecated inside of it, et cetera and occupied offices. so there have been literal traitors inside before. do you believe the ins insurrectionists are traitors? >> i certainly think the organizers of it and jim jordan is one of those are traitors. i do believe that they are just as bad as breaking through because you were a sport coat, it does not mean that he's not just as bad as the guy that was wearing the camouflage and carrying the confederate flag. he has access to power and information and knows a process of how to actually stall democracy. >> let me come to you on this,
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glen. the question is did these people commit a crime? we've seen members of congress were texting guidance to the chief of staff saying hey, here is ideas on how we might be able to undo the election. cnn is reporting one of the other people sending strategies to try to help is rick perry who used to be the governor of texas and joined administration, that he apparently at least according to cnn was pushing an aggressive strategy, supposedly to try to also overturn the election and get mike pence to do it. again, perry denies it but cnn says he was one of the people doing it. you had multiple house members saying here are strategies circulating this bananas power point that says china and hugo chavez and other people were stealing the election. these things are horrible. are they crimes? >> so, joy, i agree with the congressman that jim jordan is a traitor to the constitution. i also believe there is probable
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cause that jim jordan committed a crime by forwarding that text to mark meadows and here is why. jim jordan forwarded the text urging meadows to tell vice president pence to throw out electoral votes to basically under mine joe biden's win and he did it after donald trump's own attorney general bill barr said there was no fraud undermining joe biden and did it after trump's own officials like christopher krebs said this was the safest, most secure election in u.s. history, the same thing trump's agencies like the department of homeland security said after that as the congressman said you can put any words on it. you can scream marbury versus madison. he obstructed an official proceeding and that statute which is a 20-year felony says
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if you obstruct or attempt to obstruct or endeavor to impede a congressional proceeding like the electoral vote count, you committed the federal felony of obstructing a felony proceeding. that is what jim jordan did. >> i go to you on the politics and the way this is playing out. the proceeding is the most effective presentation we've seen so far because they were giving us data and saying members of congress did x. members of congress said y. people were interacting with the chief of staff. we have that. do you think it would be good sort of good for the country to see and to experience members of congress being subpoenaed before this committee? they're sitting in the body but they were also committing the alleged crimes. should this committee, which
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does -- it's bipartisan. they have two republicans on it. should they start subpoenaing people like jim jordan? >> absolutely they have to and here is why. glen and i have many times why the president needed to be impeached when we knew he didn't have the votes to convict him on the democratic said. had to happen so you can make the case. maybe that matters for 2022, '24 politically but history. we have to have a record to show what these criminals did in the white house and now in this instance while in the people's house of representatives. this will be the guy for what not to do going forward. you have to have trials when you know it's not coming in the senate and there won't be broad accountability because we as people of faith and frankly the story of black folks in america is you preserve the record so future generations can see what they did when they tried to tear apart the republican. >> or, you preserve the record
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so that maybe merrick garland the department of justice might wake up as if from slumber and decide maybe they should prosecute some folks. any day now. we're waiting. any second, you know. >> sure. >> we believe in christmas miracles. >> i'll be bereave. the second reason you prosecute is insurrections are inside the house and you charge them in federal courts. >> very quickly, i've got to go to you glenn on this. what do you think is the significance? there is a lawsuit. using the courts does work sometimes. the naacp have been working against louis dejoy and the post office. it a big deal. they seem to be using the post office to interfere with the election in another way slowing down ballots. is this going to be what -- are we going to do civil cases because of the doj?
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>> unless they step up, pick up the pace and indict people we've seen commit crimes in the harsh light of day as a former career d.o.j. employee, i'm still scratching my head because we've seen no prosecutions of consequence so you know what? we have to fill the void with righteous lawsuits because trump and company used the court's system for their own purposes. delay, delay, delay, run out the clock. righteous lawsuits should be brought and hopefully they will have some hope of dislodging the dejoys of the world. >> absolutely. you've also got the rnc paying for donald trump's legal bills for tax crimes in new york, alleged tax crimes in new york. congressman, this is a bizarre story. "the daily beast" said you've been threatened with kidnapping by a russian politician because you said this is how we should be dealing -- he said this is
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how we should be dealing with these bastards, talking about you because you said russian escalation toward ukraine could lead to a harsh military response towards the u.s. and ukraine should be provided with weapons by the united states saying that that might mean war fair or russians might die. their response is you should be kidnapped. what are your thoughts and are you getting protection for yourself now that you're getting threatened by the russians. there are things that have happened that believe they are dangerous. >> they're not going to do anything. attacking a member of congress is akin to war unless you're an insurrectionists, that's a different story. my statement is very clear and it's because i support democracy. ukraine is a democratic institution. it's being basically haunted and targeted by an autocrat in putin and the russians in general and i don't want to send troops into ukraine. i've said that 100%.
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but i do want to give ukraine the capability to defend itself and we've not given them that opportunity under trump. we basically with held a lot of diplomatic support and material support so i'm trying to change that. i went to ukraine with a bipartisan group of members there and we want to make sure democracy arrive there is and make sure it survives here. by the way, they are both protected. >> you're right. it would be nice if it could survive here. that would be great. congressman, thank you, don will be back later. up next on "the reidout" the damming report on trump'siberat undermining efforts. she mistook her gun for a taser when she shot and killed daunte wright. kim potter takes the stand in minnesota. how cool is this? i got to speak to the real maria from "sesame street" about the
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meat packing workers. the report said infections and deaths were three times higher than estimated yet trump made a political decision to protect their workers. trump's chaos and lies have left an awful hand print on how the pandemic is experienced today. it's like how we live in two countries, one who cares about surviving covid and one that is simply over it. according to a poll 96% of democrats received the vaccine compared to 54% of republicans. 30% will never get vaccinated. even as omicron burns through america it's that old familiar sinking feeling, the surge like wildfire and average cases are up 19% in the last two weeks and today new york state reported the highest number of daily
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covid cases of the entire pandemic at more than 21,000. joining me is dr. gupta and the chair of the serve american movement and former republican congressman no longer affiliated with the party. dr. gupta, i feel like we've been having this conversation for two years now and it feels like there are two kinds of people who are over covid. in my experience, it's the people in my life that got vaccinated and boosted. they're like if these red state people want to catch it, let them. then you have the people in the sort of red state world that say i don't care about covid and if 10 million people are dead. i don't care. i'm not wearing a mask. i'm not getting vaxed. i'm living my life. with those two sets of people being over it period, will we ever get over covid?
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will it ever go away? >> joy, good evening. nice to see you. i'll say psychologically, we have to move towards a new sense of normal and this is where i'll lead into my identity as a long doctor. if we talk about the vaccine clearly what it can and cannot do, thinking about the flu vaccine for example. the flu vaccine will not prevent positive tests and mild symptoms. i think that clarity in talking about the vaccine is not going to reach 100% of republicans but maybe the additional 16% that have not got vaccinated like mcallen texas and places with surges. updating the definition of fully vaccinated will be critical here but come march, april, we have to be clear to all of us regardless of partisan stripe that there is a chance you might test positive. you might develop mild symptoms
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in the majority of cases especially if you're triple vaccinated and that's okay. that's what real life will look like. there is no zero risk. there is no eradication. i think that's the new normal. omicron allowed us the opportunity to shift the frame and thinking sooner than we otherwise would have. >> there are david the sort of idiot crew, right? the tucker carlsons, the literally preaching death. they're vaccinated. he doesn't care. let me play him. this is what he did the other day giving his unsolicited advice. here he is. >> if you find yourself living in a place where people are still talking about covid non-stop two years in, it is time to move. not just because your neighbors have been brainwashed, obviously they have been but because your neighbors are boring. at this point it is simply not an interesting topic for your
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private life. covid has killed a lot of people. so has prostate cancer. imagine telling people about your prostate for the next two years. >> some people are dying, get over it. leave me alone. i want to go to the bar. there are people like this atlantic piece rocking all through the social media but matthew where he says -- he's saying the same thing. doi. i don't know how to put it. nobody cares outside the world inhabited by the manager classes. many if not most americans are leading their lives as if covid is over and have been for a long while. he's an editor of a catholic literarily journal where there is also this sense of people just don't care that a lot of people are dying. they want to live their life. i'm telling you, i'm seeing that. i'm traveling again. you go to some of these cities and that is true. people are done with covid and
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they are either vaccinated and are vaxed and relaxed or cold to the idea that a lot of people are dying. even if they're in a high density. what do we do about that? >> joy, i think you're right. there is a lot of people that are over it, perhaps prematurely out of fatigue. but there are also those who are over it because they've been fed misinformation they've accepted. my wife and i have a friend who passed away with covid believing it was not a big deal, that actually even once he contracted it, he didn't need to see physicians for it. ultimately, within ten days he had passed away and he did so because he was listening to voices of misinformation and that is exactly what tucker carlson is projecting on the american public when he questions masks and questions vaccines and questions the public health guidance. it is dangerous misinformation that jeopardizes the health of our communities and ultimately can lead to the deaths of fellow americans and i think that's the critical thing here, right?
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you don't go to a dentist to fix your car and you don't go to an auto mechanic to work on your teeth. you certainly don't need to listen to untrained voices about what the public health science is around covid and ultimately, then, that rests on our political leaders and as you've said in the intro, we have divided our country along political lines on a public health matter and that's where the danger lies. the thing about voices of leadership is people follow them. whether you're in the media or in the public arena or you're in the political arena, you have a greater responsibility to your fellow countrymen on issues of public health than you do to your ratings or income. >> it's clear that donald trump -- he messed it up. it's so broken, he's broken it so thoroughly it's impossible to fix what was busted. dr. gupta, what worries me is it doesn't matter if you don't believe that covid is real. covid is here and now we're
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hearing that the omicron variant is not responsive to monoclonal antibodies so when people like the attorney general in florida say don't worry, we'll treat you with monoclonal antibodies, they may not work at this point. this thing is surging so fast we may not be able to treat it with magical cures. the question for you for those of us that believe covid is real and people die, we have a heart and don't want people to die and don't want nurses and doctors to be over worked and lives destroyed by seeing people die. give us advice. what do we do at this point? are we all going to get covid? are these anti-vaxxers going to make us get it? >> let's start there. i want to get to the monoclonal piece to be concise. to this issue of hesitancy and frankly, the fact that some people said they will never get
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et whether political or not. this is what clarity and resetting expectations is vital. i'm hearing across the spectrum the emerging of omicron saying we need a third shot and the breakthroughs in the nfl are being used and co-opted to say the vaccines have failed and in part, i do think we need to acknowledge and have the awareness to say we in public health need to reset expectations more clearly. you talk to any pulmonologist, you have one here, they will tell you a vaccine against a contagious constantly changing respiratory virus will never prevent a positive test. it's best to keep you away from folks like me and icus. that needs to be the message moving forward. i fielded probably ten calls from loved ones and family members trying to get a monoclonal for somebody 65 and older that had breakthrough
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manslaughter after she shot and killed 20-year-old daunte wright at a traffic stop last april claiming she confused her gun for her taser. >> we were struggling. we were trying to keep him from driving away. it just went chaotic. and then i remember yelling taser, taser, taser, and nothing happened and he told me i shot him. [crying] >> potter testified she reached for her taser because she feared for her fellow officer's safety. that's not what she said in an earlier interview.
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>> it explains when asked by this examiner why she decided to draw her taser, officer potter said i don't have an answer. my brain said grab the taser. do you recall that? >> i don't recall it, but it's in the paperwork. >> closing arguments are monday. law professor at nyu and msnbc legal analyst and nypd detective. thank you both for being here. i have to start with you, mark. the idea that a trained police officer with more than 20 years on the force could not tell a taser from a clock to me is so completely nonsenical it makes no sense. these are the pictures of the two firearms. they are different weights and different colors. this is her testimony. let's just go into the training first. let me play this real quick and i have a question for you. here is the prosecution you might recognize from the chauvin trial, the same set of
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prosecutors, same of them questioning ms. potter on the taser training. here is part of that. >> part of the taser policy includes that all training should include performing reaction hand draws or cross draws to reduce the possibility of accidently drawing and firing a firearm. that's part of the policy, right? >> that's what it says. >> and that's part of what you're trained to do, correct? >> we didn't always draw from -- we aren't always drawing our tasers from our holsters. a lot of time we did closed in training. >> the policy you're required to abide by that you signed off on requires you perform reactionariry hand draws, true? >> during the training, yes. >> does any of this defense make sense to you? >> not at all and no excuse for a professionally trained police officer and experienced professionally trained police officer to confuse the taser for the firearm. that testimony and other
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testimony related to training that a professional police officer undergoes on a regular basis she was very missesz sieve -- dismissive of the a lot of the training to answer a question about training and those type of standards that is really pointed out is just as in a chauvin case, she's a field training officer. she's the one training the next generation of police officers how to do things correctly and properly supposedly just like chauvin has a field officer trainee along with her. a lot of her testimony, a lot of her positions and just her demeanor clearly displays that there is a high level of culpability in regards to her. >> and yet, melissa, is there a question what seems like an open and shut case to the laymen will
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really work out that way. she did the crying. check. the jury is nearly all white. there is only one person of color on the jury. check. that doesn't always work out because if you look at the chauvin trial or trial of the men who murdered ahmaud arbery, it didn't work out to get that almost all white jury but she gets up there and does a sympathetic crying thing and you have the burden of proof to see she acted with some deliberation. what do you make of where we stand in terms of this trial? >> again, as you say, the burden is on the state to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt and the charges are manslaughter in the first-degree and manslaughter in the second degree and those are both homicide charges. manslaughter in the first-degree is essentially an intentional killing in the heat of passion. manslaughter in the second degree is an unintentional negligent killing and goes to where the prosecutor was going today. like you should have known
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better and you didn't do better. that's negligence. but it is really an uphill battle and as you say, the prosecutor has to convince this jury beyond a reasonable doubt and here he is in a cardigan with a cross pendant looking like a grandmother crying. >> do you think this case was overcharged? there was pressure because of the george floyd situation and the charging, do you think they might have hit too high with the charges and maybe should have charged her with something easier to prove? >> that's always a question for the prosecution and especially so here. as you know, the chauvin chal trial was going on as this happened. there were people calling for something to hold her accountable. there was the reluctance of the chief of police to denounce or condemn her and led to public outcries. there was a lot of public
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pressure to put a homicide charge on the table. >> and mark, what will be the message to other police if this -- if she does get off because one of the things that she said is well, if she hadn't been training this other guy, she probably wouldn't have even pulled the man over and she shot and killed him and said oops, not my taser. what message does that send to law enforcement if she walks away a free woman? >> it will reinforce the same message law enforcement normally receives during these type of proceedings, the justification for this toxic police culture that leads to fatal encounters involving black and brown people. it's a classic defense strategy. ignore the pretext stop. ignore the deviation from listen, in covid we don't need to focus on registration or air fresheners. ignore that. ignore the training failures. ignore whether or not there is a justification for using any
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level of force in this particular case and focus on the two seconds where they pull the trigger and discharge the firearm and decide whether or not the police officer was quote unquote justified. never mind these negligent terms or reckless terms. we want you to say was she sufficiently scared or startled to be justified. >> yeah, that comes down to is she scared of this young black man and then you never really go in the way we think it's going to go. melissa, mark, thank you both very much. happy holidays. who won the week is ahead. first, my conversation with the director of a new documentary about a show we know and adore "sesame street," the actress that played maria. we'll talk about the show's ground breaking diversity then and now. don't miss it. g diversity then and now. don't miss it.
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and i remember thinking are they sinking about what i think they were singing about? of course they were singing about race. or they could be down in the dumps because he's a green flog. other kids thought maybe it was something else. >> for more than 50 years the muppets have been entertaining and educating generations of children. "sesame street" helped teach my kids important lessons in values they still hold today, especially the idea we can all live together no matter what street become from, or the color of our skin, fur or feathers. "sesame street" is not immune but faced opposition since the inception in 1969.
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in fact, just months after its debut, the show was temporarily banned in mississippi because of its diversity. a new hbo documentary "street gang how we go to sesame street" shares how a talented ensemble came together to create a brand-new concept in learning that still holds true today. joining me now is the director of the documentary maryland and sonia, the actress who played maria on "sesame street" for more than 40 years and i'm fan girling out because you're one of my absolute heroes, maria. my god. i can't believe i'm talking to the real maria. i'm excited to talk to you. you helped raise me and my kids and i feel like you're everything. so just talk a little bit about what you talked about in that clip a little bit because it's not that easy being green. my crew knows it's one of my
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favorite songs. my ept sent it to me, i nearly cried ray charles singing it with kermie. you caught on to something a lot of people missed. that song meant something to a little brown kid and my little brown kids because it was about being different. talk about what "sesame street" means. >> i sure will. absolutely. i'll never forget that moment, when i walked in on the song lena horn was singing it with kermit the frog. i wasn't a writer on the show so i didn't know the behind the scenes what was going on but i certainly knew that while this was working on a lot of levels and sophisticated and thrilled to be part of it. >> it was -- it's incredible. maryland, let's talk about this movie because, you know, i think a lot of people kind of missed that point. it was prettyary to
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create "sesame street" in the 1960s when we had an active fight in civil rights going on. we had just lost dr. king the year before. there was volumetivety racially. how did this incredible thing get started. >> this is one of my favorite things about this story. the fact that yes, it's a movie about "sesame street" but really is a story of this group of performers who came out of this point in our country that protests against the vietnam war, we're in full steam. the women's movement was just starting, the civil rights movement was coming and this group got together and said we want to make a difference and reach under served children. they wanted to reach all children but they really wanted to reach children in the inner city as it was known then, and give them a shot. and also, reflect back to them
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people that look the way they looked. this was the first mixed race cast living in the same neighborhood that was ever shown on tv and it was -- came to us through the lens of a show for 3 and 4-year-olds, which is quite >> and i've -- >> go on, sonya. >> i just want to add that it was -- meant so much to me to get on the show because i was raised in the bronx watching hours of television, never seeing any puerto ricans on television or any latin people on television and feeling invisible. so when they asked me to be on the show i thought, oh, my goodness, i could be for kids what i wished there was someone there for me when i was a kid. >> and i have to say to you, and i keep on almost calling you maria, but i'm not going to do that. you literally were one -- honestly, i think you might have been the first latina that i really saw on a regular basis on tv and then i think for a lot of kids and i grew up in a town that was majority black and brown. and so, you know, for the latina
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kids and for the black kids, we were not seeing a lot of people of color but we saw you and you were our friend. i want to get your take, first, just on the fight that we've seen. we just had an asian american muppet that was introduced to ""sesame street"," all of that has apd on "sesame street," what do you make of the fight about this adorable new asian american muppet? >> i just can't understand it. i can't fathom why it's difficult. i wish it had come on sooner. i think that when we had roosevelt franklin on the show, i refer to him as the roosevelt franklin syndrome, he was the first black puppet. and didn't fulfill the dreams, too street, not street enough, too hip-hop, not hip-hop enough. they cut the puppet because
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everybody couldn't agree how a black puppet should be presented. there wasn't another black puppet on "sesame street" for 50 years. and that's the problem when people can't decide, or they think -- they think a whole culture has to rest on the shoulders of one character. >> yeah, no, absolutely. and, marilyn, i think that's the point too, there is no character who can make everyone happy, but "sesame street" probably has tried more than any other show in history to represent every child, you know, even all of the -- not even real children. there were red muppets and purple muppets and muppets who can fly. i love grover. but there's every fantasy kind of tree creature, and fairy tale friend. i just wonder what will we learn about "sesame street"? that's subversive to have done in the 1960s. what do you want people to take away from this documentary? >> i want people to take away
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the fact that first of all "sesame street" did what they have done throughout their whole history, reflect the world back to children as the world should be without even calling attention to it, without pointing a finger and saying, look, there's a black puppet, there's an asian puppet, it's just what is. i want people to realize that, you know, creativity and art really can make a difference and change the world. and when you present something this creative, and this inspiring to children, you really can inspire them to think of the world in a way that is pure and loving. >> yeah. i cannot wait to watch this documentary. i'm probably going to try all the way from beginning until the very end, and i'm going to be so excited. my kids are going to be so jealous that i got to a meet the real maria. but it happened. thank you, happy holidays. congratulations. marilyn arjello, sonya, thank
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yeah, that's more like it. all right, we survived another week in ragnarok, folks. i love my producers. it's time to play, yes, who won the week, back with me, don callaway, david jolly, where to go first. in the spirit of "x" bipartisanships, former republican. >> january 6th committee, republicans want to undermine them, democrats are growing impatient but they painted a picture of a conspiracy to commit an authoritarian toppling democracy, a conspiracy that included members of the legislative branch, the inner circle of the president from the white house chief of staff to the former energy secretary to the political apparatus of the president himself. i think this is clearly going to a level in which you could
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indict the department of justice could indict sitting members of congress, the one sixth committee won the week. >> all right. don callaway, tough act to follow. who won the week, don callaway. >> dion sanders won the week, the legendary won the swag championship, landed the number one -- in the country to jackson state university. >> come on. >> played football, coached from florida state, fundamentally has the potential to shift the balance of power in favor of hbcu athletics, i'm here for it, go jackson state, tomorrow. >> listen, i didn't go to hbcu. did teach at howard. i am here for jackson state winning that battle. mississippi comeback. come on, i love jackson, mississippi, great city. the real answer, but my answer to who won the week, me. i won the week. and i'll tell you why. because i'm here in california, so i go to meet with up with
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