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out there, not in here. which is how brian approaches reporting and anchoring. tonight we salute him for his extraordinary contributions to nbc and msnbc. so many of us have spent so many years getting the news from him. he's paved the way in more avenues and aspects than i can certainly capture with words right now. so i will just say at the end of our broadcast, thank you, brian, and we will be watching tonight. that does it for "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts right now. hi, joy. >> how are you doing? >> i have to say my favorite brian williams story is when i was working at a news editor at wtvj. he came in. and i remember oh my god, that's brian williams. he set up shop next to us. he took the time to ask each of us our names, chatted. i was like this is the nicest man i've ever met. he was so cool and so open and so personable. we love him. we love bri-wi.
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>> we sit here and try to figure out how to do the news and it's kind of a tough job. watching him from before i ever looked in the business, that looks like how to do it, if you can do 10% of it. >> and he is funny. he is hilarious. we love him. thank you. were a wonderful evening. good evening, everybody. we have a lot to get to in the next hour, including two legal setbacks for donald trump. late today a federal appeals court ruled against his effort to withhold documents from the january 6 committee. the new york attorney general is seeking a deposition from trump early next month as part of her investigation into the trump organization. and we're going to get to beth of those stories shortly. but we begin "the reidout" tonight with something that's become abundantly clear. many the battle to save this american experiment with multiracial democracy, there is one party that is standing up for small d democracy, the government of the people by the people and for the people, and that is the democratic party. and then there is the party of
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open hostility to democracy. that's the republican party. just look at the past 24 hours. president biden began a two-day global virtual summit this morning on renewing democracy here and abroad. and while he didn't explicitly mention the attack on democracy on january 6, he stressed that democracy worldwide is headed in the wrong direction. >> in the case of sustained and alarming challenges to democracy, universal human rights and all around the world, democracy needs champions. here in the united states, we know as well as anyone that renewing our democracy and strengthening our democratic institution requires constant effort. we need to enact what we call the freedom to vote act and the john lewis voting right advancement act, and that's going to remain a priority for my administration until we get it done. inaction is not an option. >> later, at a ceremony honoring the late senate majority leader
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bob dole at the capitol, biden calls him a hero of democracy. make no mistake, dole wasn't perfect. it wasn't all great. he was die-hard republican who backed donald trump. but as a senator he co-sponsored an extension of the voting rights act in 1982 over the opposition of the reagan administration. that would be impossible in today's gop, which is now openly trying to nullify the votes of black and brown americans. while they're fully embracing their inability to accept an election loss. mango mussolini's hand-picked candidate for governor of georgia david perdue told axios if he had been the governor last year, he would not have certified georgia's election reports. meaning he would have supported the coup. multiple recounts confirmed the former president's loss. georgia law does not allow the governor to reject the results. but purdue's pro coup stance is
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one sign of how deeply the former president's anti-democratic big lie has become republican dogma. georgia republicans have also wasted no time taking advantage of a provision in their restrictive voting law passed this year allowing state election boards to take control of county election boards. reuters reports they're now racing to purge black democrats from those boards, reorganizing six county boards in recent months through county specific legislation. in one rural county, local judges appointed a white republican to replace a black democrat, giving republicans a one-vote majority. in another, the republican county commission ousted two black democrats from the board. boards in two of the six counties have already moved to restrict access to the ballot. i'm joined now by aaron haynes, editor at large of the 19th, and olivia troye, director of the republican accountability project and former very to vice
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president pence. let me ask you about georgia. there is going to be a legal challenge. the hill is noting a federal judge did -- rejected a request to dismiss a legal challenge to that law filed this spring by the naacp and other groups that argue the state's new votes limits threatening to illegally suppress the vote of minority groups. republicans are moving right along ahead, right ahead with destroying democracy. what is being done on the ground to turn that back? >> yeah, well, joy, i want to first start by just noting that these are the kinds of moves that would have been subject to preclearance, right. under the voting rights act preshelby. but now legal challenges are really one of the main avenues of recourse that folks have who understand this has the
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potential to be disenfranchising to voters. i understand that republicans in georgia continue to say this is about election integrity, but it's hard to question that when you have brian kemp and brad raffensperger saying that these elections were deemed safe, secure, and accurate, and they were run not once, not twice, but three times the results of those elections despite the former president looking for those 12,000 or so votes that would have declared him the victor in georgia. but that reuters story, to your point, the six georgia boards taken over since the passage of s b-202. there is 159 counties in georgia. we have a long way to go here. but but this is a cause for alang because you have a republican-controlled state election before. assuing control of county boards that they deem underperforming. they're looking into fulton county, which is the most democratic. and in the south that also means the blackest county in the state. so these are rural counties.
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normally this kind of thing would happen outside of the bright spotlight of metro atlanta if it wasn't for voting rights and voter suppression being such an issue. you've got organize owners the ground that are obviously trying to once again make this a question of voter turnout versus voter suppression in georgia as you a couple of really high profile races, the governor's race and also senate race coming up next year in georgia. so the stakes could not be higher. but the infrastructure is already on the ground, in place and in motion to potentially disinfranchise so many of the people you saw standing in line in record numbers just this time last year and again in january to turn that state blue. >> and the thing is, olivia, you have on the one hadn't hand, part of this is gotv. because the republican voter base cannot stand to loose, they're just like donald trump. they stomp their feet and get mad and say i'm not going to
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come out to vote unless i'm going win. they want to guarantee to win. and trump wants to guarantee that you win. the people who refuse to guarantee that donald trump won got death threats, all the way down to low -- to people just counting the votes. to issue death threat, storm the capitol, commit violence, do anything, but we must win when we vote. part of that is no, don't worry. we'll make sure you win. just make sure you vote. let's put up the map that draws a little circle around everybody that is black and say we're going to put those in a box. it is about go tv, but it's also been not believing that elections are legitimate, period. that they just want to seize power. i wonder if there is a way to organize against that. >> well, it's a frightening moment for our democracy, because it's rigging the system before our very eyes right now. and it is happening at all
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levels. it's happening -- we're getting the disinformation, the ongoing disinformation regimes that continue to push these lies and the state and local levels by the voting laws being passed by the states and the leaders that are empowering this to happen. quite frankly with perdue's statement about the 2020 election, i think that should be a disqualifier. you are plate importantly lying as a person running for candidacy of governor in a state. they think should be disqualifying because you're lying to the american people. but i think this is going to be a very hard moment for our country. the more that these movements continue to enable this to happen, and i think it's also a very dangerous moment for our country. because all of these things actually undermine public confidence, not only in our electoral system, but they're undermining public confidence in our public institutions. and what these threats, these threats are ongoing, and i think they're going increase going forward. and i am very concerned about what's going happen in the 2022
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midterms. we're in the middle of democracy on a global summit, and i just keep thinking about the fact that what happened to the united states being the beacon of democracy and setting the example for the world. right now we have foreign adversaries watching what is happening here, watching elected leaders consistently undermine our democratic system. and you've got to believe they're pointing to that. they're pointing to that example and they're mocking us. they're using this undermining us globally as well. there is multiple layers of implications of what is happening here. >> well, you've got to at the local level, it's thorough, right, erin? you have conspiracy theorists and everyone from qanon on running for all of these local and state official spots. so they're going to be in position from the school board all the way up theoretically to the governorship to all be in place to implement the big lie. not just to believe it, but to implement it. you have trump hunting his enemies list and take out any political leader, any republican
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who refused to do it last time so he can be guaranteed that they'll do it this time. i wonder how we even conduct elections in georgia if in fact republicans have put themselves in place to reverse the results. you know, this is sort of a wilmington moment because if democrats manage to put in place a stacey abrams as governor, then they will have done that on top what they just did with these two senators. god knows what's going to happen. god knows what happens after that. your thoughts. >> this is why you have democrats in places like georgia, in places like texas continuing to push for federal legislation around voting rights. because while voting rights is stalling in congress, voter suppression is absolutely on the march at the state level and is going to be when state legislators reconvene at the top of 2022. what's happening in between these presidential cycles at the local level absolutely sets the stage around ballot access in the upcoming election and
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beyond. you know, olivia mentioned the democracy summit that's happening right now in washington. the remarks that president biden and vice president harris were giving were being made to other countries, but they just as easily could have been made to congress. i was at president biden's major speech in philadelphia when he talked about voting rights, and really, so many of the organizers that helped to put this administration in office are really wanting him to continue to push for this. he called the fight for democracy the defining challenge of our time. he brought up, quoted the late congressman john lewis, who he know was a civil rights icon who risked his life for voting rights in tulsa. he tasked kamala harris as part of her portfolio. she said today ensuring things like every eligible american can access to vote is part of her lead and executive action is not enough. she said the status of women is the status of democracy in this country. so saying those kinds of things
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on the world stage i think absolutely indicates that they are aware that the rest of the world is watching. president biden said that the u.s. is going to lead by example, but right now that example very much looks like voter suppression as poe posed to voting rights. >> it does. >> right? so i think the world is wondering what that example is going to be going forward, because we are losing our standing in terms of being kind of the leading democracy that the rest of the world looks to for guidance as to how to conduct, you know, a small d democratic government. >> we're going have to bring you ladies back on. i think one of the questions people always ask, what do we do about it? we know what they're doing. the question is having a democracy summit is nice and giving speeches is great, but we need to figure out what we're actually going do about this, because we have to fight back. errin haines, olivia troye, thank you very much.
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up next on "the reidout," more witnesses come forward to meet with the january 6 committee. plus, two major announcements from new york attorney general letitia james. one involves the investigation of donald trump. the other regards her own political future. meanwhile, republicans seem to be rooting for bad economic news, but most signs show the biden economy is booming. and remember the tv show "24"? tonight's absolute worst is a absolute dangerous 24 hours of misinformation. you're not going to belief it. "the reidout" continue. s after this. ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ imagine having someone else do your books for you. as your quickbooks live bookkeeper, i'll categorize expenses, reconcile accounts, and close your books. cool. yep. know where your business stands. intuit quickbooks live bookkeeping.
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lawyers will file an appeal to the supreme court. meanwhile, the top republican on the house select committee, liz cheney tweeted today that the committee has already met with nearly 300 witness, including four more key figures today. kash patel, chris miller, chris krebs, former director of the department of homeland security's cyber security agency, who was fired by trump after declaring the last election to be the most secure in america's history. attorney john eastman, notorious author of "the blueprint to steal the election." and ali alexander, the organizer of the "stop the steal" rally that drew trump supporters to washington on january 6. now as far as criminal charges go, the government has brought charges against more than 700 of the maga supporters who participated in the insurrection itself. and serious questions remain about how so many people from across the country were convinced to take such radical actions that day. joining me now is ayman mohyeldin, host of msnbc's
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"ayman" and host of the podcast american radical. and glenn kirschner, an msnbc columnist. glenn, i am going the start with you. i don't have a lot of faith in the united states sport, but who what do you think the chances are they will review this in expedited fashion, and number two, that they will reverse in your view, reverse this decision to say no, executive privilege really does mean the current president, not the last one. >> first of all, joy, there is no reason for the supreme court to exercise review of the case. there is no serious constitutional issue to be decided or resolved. this is almost a rare instance where you have two branches of government in agreement. the legislative branch wanted the information from the national archives, and the executive branch, joe biden said we think these documents should be turned over because it's in the national interest for the house select committee to get to
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the bottom of january 6. there really is no reason for the supreme court to exercise its discretion and take review of the case. and i'm with you, joy. i don't have a ton of confidence in the supreme court as presently constituted. but here what's i will say. when they have the opportunity to review election challenges, they declined to do it. when they had an opportunity to decide whether donald trump is a king because they had to decide whether he should be required to turn over tax returns and financial documents, they bluntly said you're not a king. you're subject to the system like any other human being. and so i think on the presidential power front and on the integrity of our elections front, the supreme court's track record has actually been pretty good, unlike its track record on other fronts. >> yeah, ayman, part of my lack of faith in the supreme court is -- and you have a pot cast that is about the radicalization of one of the individuals that was at the capitol. but i think the radicalization
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of the republican party, it's on the rooter to the tooter. it's from top to bottom. it's mark meadows who used to a norm core congressional republican who is now facing contempt because he decides i don't believe subpoenas are real. the steve bannon is the model where i ignore the subpoena. it goes all the way down to your average, you know, what used to be a regular republican who is now a qanon. and so i think that radicalization to me also includes the court. we can throw out precedent. stare decisis means literally nothing. we can get rid of it because of our religious beliefs are going to get rid of abortion. it's total. you've been able to cover international radicalization movements and the domestic one here. where do you see the through-points? >> forget mark meadows for a second. look at marjorie taylor greene. >> hello. >> she is telling you that she is somebody who espoused qanon theories. she may have apologized for them. when she speaks in private, she
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still perpetuates that the election was stolen. she is still throughout in places like northwest georgia where i spent the better part of the last year investigating this radicalization. and it's people like here who are taking young women and men from the qanon world and connecting them to the trump world and the maga world. and say hey, listen, if you become a foot soldier in our movement, you can try the overturn our democracy, overturn our election. put the supreme court on the side for a second. when you're looking at what is happening with the issue of radicalization, it's young people. they may be destitute. they may have some out of their luck, if you will, or down on their luck, bombarded with this disinformation that the election was stolen. and then they follow demagogues, whether it's marjorie taylor greene, whether it's donald trump who says i alone can fix it. come -- if i shoot somebody on fifth avenue, they're still going to support me. and they believe that they are the foot soldiers in this movement. so when he says go up to the capitol and stop the transfer of power, stop the certification of
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the election, they're prepared to do it. and in some case tragically pay for it with their lives. and that's part of what we've been investigating over the last year. how did this young woman in our podcast, roseanne, go from being someone who was apolitical, somebody who whose family said she actually made fun of donald trump early on in his administration. she didn't take him seriously. how does she go from that to suddenly voting for the first time in her life and becoming a foot soldier in this very dangerous ideology? >> let's play a quick clip from this special that ayman produced. >> let me ask you this, justin. you said i don't understand why this is being treated as -- portrayed as a violent event. but at the end of the day, you have four people who are dead. >> yes. >> does the president, president trump have blood on his hands? >> does he have blood on his hands? no. >> you don't think the president bears any responsibility? >> it was a peaceful event. absolutely not.
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>> but it turned violent. >> i know. and we weren't the perpetrators of the violence. do you understand? it was peaceful, peaceful, peaceful, peaceful. it was peaceful. >> and ayman, for a moment, by pod, i mean podcast. it's total. and it's whether this person or the woman from publix, the publix heiress who is sending $60,000 over who say let's fund the stop the steal movement. it doesn't feel like it can be separated. it feels like it's permanent radicalization. >> i'm so glad you played that sound bite from the podcast. first of all, that was the guy who was with roseanne in final hours, final minutes of her life. this interview that we tracked down happened the day after. so it gives you a sense that even after the world had seen the insurrection, even though we had seen trump supporters attack the police with flags, waving trump flags, throwing projectile, hurting the police,
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smashing through windows, they still believe that it was a peaceful protest. they still believe that it was not them that were the violent ones, and that they were being instigated and agitated by antifa and blm. so it gives a sense of the denial that they live in, the inability to see the reality for what it is. and they live in their own bubble. whether they are somebody who is living overseas funding money and funneling money to these groups and movements or whether it is, as the president and his allies like marjorie taylor greene continue to say behind closed doors that the election was stolen, it is ultimately fuelling a very dangerous radicalization in this country. listen really quickly. the number of people who have messaged me since this podcast has come out saying i have a mother who is a qanon believer. i have a sister who has gone down this rabbit hole. they have severed their relationships with. and it's a serious problem that i think if this was any other context in this country, if this was muslim ideology or extremist ideology in the context of
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islamic radicalism that we spent 20 years fighting, if that would have happened, that jihadist ideology, this country would be up in arms seeing the kind of radicalization that is taking place in various parts of this country. >> to say nothing if muslims were posting pictures of themselves with the whole family, including 5-year-olds holding firearms and holding ar-15s. let me very quickly ask you, glenn, does it become a defense? going all the way up to this publix heiress who is throwing all this money at this insurrection activity. people like what's her name, sidney powell, who used to be a respected attorney who has gone all the way down the rabbit hole and is being investigated for her activities. radicalization at some point something that they can use in their own defense? >> it's not a legal defense, but it's a mitigator. in other words, it might reduce somebody's punishment or the sentence they're facing for crimes they committed, but it will not get them out from under criminal responsibility for what they did. but all of this, joy, it
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highlights the fact that donald trump is the one who incited it and stoked the flames with their lies about stolen votes and stolen elections. and donald trump on january 6 told people what to do. go down there and stop the steal. that's an action word. and the fact that he used the word "steal," we all me that's a lie. that provides the corrupt intent for donald trump's inciting this insurrection. that's where the responsibility needs to lie. >> yeah, we're using the right word for it. it's radicalization. no different than if it is in another country. it's still radicalization by an individual who has a self-interest and who doesn't do the violence himself. he doesn't want to pay for the crimes. he lets other people do the crimes. ayman mohyeldin, congratulations on the podcast. glenn kirschner, thank you very much. would like a word with the former disgraced twice impeached
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>> thanks to former trump fixer michael cohen's testimony in 2019, new york attorney general tish james started looking into donald trump's finances, and now she is planning to depose trump, calling him in to answer questions under oath on january 7th. james is investigating whether trump committed fraud by improperly inflating the value of his assets on financial statements in order to obtain loans and secure tax benefits. trump reported different valuations to banks and taxer traffic reports. for example, an office building at 40 wall street in manhattan. when listing assets, it said the bill was worth $527 million, which would make it among the most valuable in new york. but just a few months later, the trump organization told property tax officials that the entire 70-story building was worth less than what a hi-end manhattan condo, less than $6.7 million. that was less than 1/30 of the
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mouth amount it had claimed the year before. that property is under scrutiny from the manhattan district attorney and new york attorney general along with several others like it for which the trump organization gave vastly different value assets. according to people familiar with the investigations who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing inquiries. as "the washington post" notes, appraisers have said it is highly unusual for a company to provide such widely different valuations of the same properties a the same time. trump's lawyer responded today saying, quote, trump is right when he says this is a witch hunt. we are not concerned about it because he has done nothing wrong. i'm joined now by tim o'brien, senior columnist at bloomberg opinion, and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general of new york and managing partner of main street law. mr. snell, i'm going to point you to the tweet that you put up earlier today. you said if the new york ag wants to depose trump, it's because they've already assembled their case. trump's testimony would just be the icing. you don't go after the ceo until
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you've already gotten all the other evidence. this case is 90% built. does that mean you believe donald trump will be indicted? okay, we're having some issues with mr. snell's audio. so we're going come back to him. i'm going to go to you tim o'brien. to set aside whether or not we believe there will be an indictment. a lot of people doubt trump will ever face accountability. but if he shows up for this deposition, you have dealt with him in a deposition before. how do you expect him to behave? >> well, donald trump's biggest problem, joy, is that he is a flagrant and unhinged liar, and that is a lawyer's worst case scenario to put someone under oath who isn't capable of actually telling the truth. you know, this is a very targeted deposition. when we deposed donald trump, we had lots and lots of issues to discuss with him over lots and lots of years. well looked at the valuation of all of his properties. we had his tax returns. we looked at his dealings with insurers. we looked at what he got for speaking fees when he went out on the road.
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tish james' property is focused soven properties, and on this issue of whether or not he inflated the values when he wanted a loan and deflated the values when he want toddler his tax bill. i do think this signals that she is very near tend of her investigation. i the not think she would seek to depose him unless they felt they were fully armored up with all of the evidence they needed to put on the table across from him. it's going to be interesting to see how he responds to documentary evidence that's in -- contradicts what he or people in his organization have said in the past. that's what my lawyers did when we deposed him and we stripped the bark off of him like an old tree. you know, we caught him in i think more than 30 different lies during two days of depositions in late 2007. >> yeah. >> the other thing to remember is her investigation is linked
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to cy vance's investigation. they have been collaborating throughout, and vance's investigation i think is broader and has longer legs than tish james. so i think you can see these as part of the same effort. >> yeah, and mr. snell, we've got you back. so if they are now trying to depose the ceo, depose donald trump, does that indicate to you that someone below him has talked, has given him up, and given up documents and information? >> i think yes, but really, the documents are really -- the documents are really the key thing for the civil case, because at the end of the day, the civil case does not need to show intent. so it's less about testimony and more about the documents. and the documents are plain as day. the thing you showed earlier, joy, really just puts the nail -- hits the nail right on the head. that is a 3300% disparity between what they reported to a lender and what they reported to the tax authorities. these numbers really speak for
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themselves. donald trump didn't need anybody to snitch on him. he snitched on himself with how broad of a disparity that was. >> and can cash please explain to us the difference in what would be -- if donald trump were to lose the civil case, and letitia james were to win it, what would be the penalties for that versus a criminal case? >> so the reason why everybody has been sleeping on this case and not really giving it that much attention is because, you know, people who want to see donald trump be brought to justice, they want to see him go to prison. this is a civil case. he is not going to go to prison. no one will for this matter. however, this could take an economic wrecking ball to the trump organization. this could mean hundreds of millions of dollars in back taxes, penalties, other fees that he could have to pay to the state as well as to the lenders that he defrauded. so this could be ruinous for him financially. >> and could he then face the criminal case if cy vance's case is connected? >> exactly.
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he is going the face it with a one-two punch. he is going to have the civil case and the criminal case going. we didn't realize until today how far along the civil case is. this is really far along. we wouldn't bring in somebody for this kind of testimony like we were just saying. 90% plus of this case is already built. so this is really far along. he is going to get -- trump's going to get it from both directions on this one. >> tim, i've always sort of somewhat suspected because of the sort of vagaries of the sort of daintiness of the department of justice and these olc members who say oh, don't touch a former president that donald trump is more likely to go down like al capone on his taxes, on the money stuff, and that's the stuff he is facing. he is facing a bunch of other civil lawsuits. he is facing a bunch of other criminal inquiries. but in the end, is it going to be his lies when it comes to his money that are going to be his biggest danger? >> as long as they can tie him to those lies and tie him to
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what they are assessing are criminal acts. they are going to have to show intent in the criminal case. and donald trump is not a sophisticated man. he is an ignoramus in many ways, but he is a survivor, and he has this reptilian ability to evade the law by surrounding himself with other people he throws under the bus when push comes to shove. and undoubtedly he will blame this on accountants. undoubtedly he will blame this on other people in his own organization. so there is going to be a really high bar i think for cy vance's office the say they know he did it and he knew he was doing something wrong. >> yeah, he'll find a pat it is. he always finds someone willing to do it. it's really strange. tim o'brien, thank you very much. tristan snell, thank you very much. tonight's absolute worst is still ahead. but first, you wouldn't know it from watching the right wing news channels, but the american economy is actually doing pretty darn well, despite the the pandemic, next on "the reidout."
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okay. so we got some really, really great news this morning. the number of people filing for weekly unemployment claims dropped to a 52-year low, something we haven't seen since 1969, the year neil armstrong walked on the moon when the average newspaper cost 10 cents, when the president was nixon and the top tv show was rowan and martin's laugh-in. look it up, kids. if you adjust today's unemployment numbers for population increase, job numbers have never been lower than they are today. in the first year of his administration, president biden has overseen the addition of 5.8 million more jobs than donald trump did during the same amount of time. by any normal metrics, it is a biden boom. and yet the american people are still singing the blues. a new npr marist poll finds the majority of americans say they don't feel the direct payments that that came from the biden policies or the expanded tax credits they've been receiving
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for months. it also showed that the american public doesn't understand how build back better with its free pre-k and paid family leaf and lowering prescription drug costs will address their top concern, inflation. and even when they do direct acknowledge that they have received benefits they give credit to both joe biden and republicans who literally opposed giving you that money and voted againsit. it is a complete disconnect between the reality and the feels, which the gal -- the woman who directed the polling explained as the result of democrats, not having a unified message on what they're doing. cue joe manchin. >> the unknown we're facing today is much greater than the need that people believe in this aspirational bill that we're looking at. and we've got to make sure we get this right. we just can't continue to flood the market as we've done. >> okay. so weirdly enough, yacht man joe
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and his friends in the republicans edition crew seem to lose all their inhibitions about cost and inflation when it comes to pumping your tax dollars into the pentagon. the senate is pushing to finalize a defense budget that's going cost nearly $8 trillion with a t over ten years. that is almost five times more money for guns and tanks than manchin and company are willing to spend on you, your kids, your health care, your clean water and your elderly parents. where are senator manchin's western about flooding the market when it comes to mahoney? you know, the guy from west virginia might want to listen to the former senator from delaware, joe biden who suns said don't tell me what you value. show me your budget and i'll tell you what you value. i'm joined by co-founder of and co-author of "the making of donald trump." david, i feel like part of the challenge that democrats have is they do good economic policy, but not good political policy. back when george w. bush was president, he sent out what we used to call the bush bucks.
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$300 and $600. you get this one big boom, cash infusion. economically, it's not as good because you're not layering the money over time. you spend the money one time and it's gone. but it gives him a political boost. joe biden got that when they did the first check, the $1600 and they made up the rest of it and you got $2,000. his approval ratings are up. but now they've layered the money out so you're getting it every month, i don't feel like i got any money and now i'm mad. is that the problem that they're doing good economic policy but bad politics? >> oh, they're doing very bad politics. this white house communications office couldn't sell ice cream to children in july. i mean, this is one of the constant promise democrats have. here is this 14-point policy memo, and blah, blah, blah, and this person, instead of reaching right into the guts of people. you know, most people don't pay close attention to the news. they don't understand government
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spending policy or anything else. they understand practical things. i'm surprised that the checks to parents haven't had more of an effect. >> yeah. >> beneficial for the white house. but right now we've got 4.6% jobless rate. very, very low by stark standards. the number of people who are unable to find full-time work or they've given up, it's called u-6. it's the broadest measure on the point. it's only 7.4%. now i wish it was lower, but that's a very low number. and the number of people who are long-term unemployed, they haven't been able to find a job for six months or more, it fell last month by 136,000. try and find that in news reports on the front pages telephone papers. buried in the junk. if it weren't for government jobs shrinking, largely school teachers, older school teachers who can't risk getting covid or they have a spouse or compromised child or parents they can't risk getting infected, if it weren't for all the losses of those jobs, we'd
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have even more job growth than we do. >> yep. >> in october, "the new york times," "the wall street journal," "the washington post" and the networks all reported disappointing job growth of 210,000 jobs. donald trump before the pandemi. so that's 12% more. >> right. but when he did it, the same media would be like, great jobs numbers. it's partly a disconnect also because the media talks about republicans and democrats differently. there's a much lower bar for republicans. i also wonder too if it's because there's sort of this worship of the corporate man. if you want to blame somebody for how things don't feel well, think about companies like kellogg who makes your cereal, where they're about to lay off and replaces 1,400 union members because they dared to go on strike. there's this photo on twitter, saying, i feed your families but i can't feed mine. people are like, elon musk who are, let's not give people day
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care because i want my money. they're going to space, the billionaires, because they've got so much extra cash. but the villain is the nice older guy in the white house who gave you the $2,000 because oil prices didn't go down enough, you know? it's meh. >> people are terrified about this inflation. i just jousted with somebody on the internet. the highest inflation since world war ii. no, 7% is not. we had 20% inflation just before i was born. we've had 15% inflation in the past. >> during reagan. >> there's no perspective. and journalists bear a lot of the blame for this for writing stories that read like damn memos on policy instead of news stories that talk in plain english. >> yes. >> but the house and the democrats have to learn marketing. the republicans are really good at marketing. i admire how good they are at marketing. and democrats know this is a problem, but they never do anything about it. i hope we can get some democrats on and say, what's wrong with
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you people? go hire some consultants to teach you the principles of marketing. >> it's weird because democrats have hollywood, but they don't seem to ask them, like how do you do marketing? the other thing is republicans, to your point, they've taken the word "inflation" and turned it into the boogeyman word. i take you most politicians couldn't define inflation if you paid them to. they just said a word, and they go -- ah. i wonder if it's the simplicity and the simplistic nature of republican communication that makes it so effective. >> oh, no. i was on al franken's podcast the other day, and i brought this up, and he said, well, you know, our bumper stickers all end with "continued on next bumper sticker". >> that's exactly right. david cay johnston, thank you very much. cheers. tonight's absolute worst is next. you don't want to miss it. stay right there. why don't you♪
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all the republicans want for christmas is for you to get covid, or so it seems. what else would explain the snake oil mentality of the american right? one of those republicans is touting a new fake cure. this time it's elected snake oil salesman ron johnson, who says gargling mouth wash kills covid. now, let me be clear. listerine is some pretty powerful stuff, by powerful we mean it with eradicate the scent of garlic bread from your tongue after a tasty lunch, not powerful as it can kill covid. otherwise, it would be in the water. but more importantly, do not listen to this fool. senator johnson is not a doctor or a scientist. he's not any of the johnsons in
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johnson & johnson. he's a public health menace and he's spreading information that can kill. then of course there's superspreader television host tucker carlson. hardly an avatar for the manly man. he's more of a josh hawley than a method man, which may explain why he created a fake log cabin set for his talk show, so he could pollute real journalism even thursday while making you think he knows how to hunt his own dinner. on wednesday, he talked to nigel farage about british prime minister boris johnson's bout with covid. >> getting covid emasculated him. it changed him. it feminized him. it weakened him as a man. the virus itself -- this is true -- does tend to take away the life force in some people, i notice. i mean it does feminize people. no one ever says that, but it's true. >> okay, let's unpack your woman hatin' for just a bit. it's like textbook misogyny, this baseline retro variation where weak equates to female
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even though women, through a long, painful, and awe inspiring process are how lives are created and the reason the human race forges on. it is women who are the life force, not weak-chinned blokes who ditch their bow ties for fake log cabins. but this isn't just about ridiculous people saying ridiculous things. people believe what these not so bright winners are saying, and not just in red states. here's jordan cleper of the daily show, talking to anti-vaxxers in of all places, los angeles. >> what do you think of the covid vaccine? >> i don't think it's a vaccine. i think it's snapping the dna in half. >> where did you hear this? a siamese cat? you recommend for public health people meditating? >> of course. >> people working out in groups? >> definitely. >> eating healthy? >> definitely. >> covid vaccine? >> no. >> no? coffee enema? >> possibly. >> hey, sometimes you need a little sugar in your news about
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doomsday. but this is happening in every state, red, blue, and purple. it is dangerous, lethal, and it comes as we face a possible winter surge from omicron. the republicans and carlson want to see that surge burn brighter than a fox news christmas tree, which is why they are tonight's absolute worst. "all in" with chris hayes starts now, and we love you, brian. tonight on "all in." donald trump's case to keep his presidential records secret loses in court as the current president rallies democracies around the globe. >> this is the defining challenge of our time -- democracy. tonight, more alarming new signs of democratic erosion in america. then congressman adam shift on the stinging court loss for the former president. what's next from the supreme court and today's big flurry of january 6th developments. plus -- >> to me, we have the strongest economy perhaps i have ever seen. >> nor great news for workers as


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