tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC December 6, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
so tonight, representative massey and judge pirro, with your poor taste and poor judgment, both of you, both of you are tonight's absolute, absolute worst. have some compassion for a change. happy holidays. and that's tonight's "the reidout." "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes. fellows, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> donald trump finds a new candidate in his quest for republicans who held the line for democracy. >> think about how different it would be today if kemp had fought abrams first instead of fighting trump. >> tonight the high stakes in georgia and why the department of justice is now suing texas. then the former national guard official now calling two generals, quote, absolute liars regarding the pentagon's delayed response to the capitol riot.
plus, she was one of five people who died during the insurrection. tonight roseanne boylan's six-month descent into conspiracy theories and how she became an american radical. and new reporting on the number of people potentially exposed to covid during trump's deception and some really important news about why you need a booster shot, when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. a big development today in donald trump's ongoing quest to turn the republican party into a vehicle for his own authoritarian aspirations. of course, the former president continues to exert this power over the republican party with a litmus test he created for republican politicians after his ignominious defeat. and the question, the single question they must answer is did they support his attempted coup? and would they support a coup in the future? and if the answer is no to either question, they're in
trouble. we're seeing this again today. now donald trump has set his sights with complete focus on this issue. remember trump's legendary bullying of georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. trump called him in early january asking him to just find 11,000 votes to change the outcome of the race in georgia. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. so what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes. fellows, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> as we all know, raffensperger refused to participate in the coup. not even clear what he could do if he wanted to, but he refused to find 11,000 votes. so raffensperger now has a trump-endorsed primary challenger. >> you're next secretary of state, a friend of mine,
somebody has done a phenomenal job, jody hice. jody, come here! and jody is running against one of the worst secretary of states in america, rino brad ralphs persian gulfer who is trying to turn the tables on me because i'm fighting for election integrity. to be honest, i was surprised. he is a congressman who is loved in his district, who's got no problems, no election problems, could be there forever, and said i want to do this because what's happened to the state of georgia is a disgrace. >> so brad raffensperger doesn't support the coup, despite repeated bullying by trump, and trump backs a primary challenger to get rid of brad raffensperger, so there will be a more coup-pliant replacement to a single issue primary challenge. raffensperger refused to cave to demands he steal an election. now he has been removed. as you heard donald trump imply there, it's also fair to
conclude that jody hice would pass the litmus test and participate in the coup. in fact, he was one of the 147 republicans who voted to overturn the election results on january 6 just hours after the insurrectionists had been cleared out of the capitol. so that's a central issue here. it's why jody hice is rung. it's why he has been endorsed. he has essentially promised he will deliver an election for trump. he will even steal it. he will be a good, loyal foot soldier in the next coup. well, today donald trump has set its sights on another statewide office holdener georgia, governor brian kemp. now kemp, you might remember, used to have brad raffensperger's job, the secretary of state. and in that role he made all sorts of changes including purging voters from the roll and putting 53,000 voter registration applications on hold just before the 2018 election when he was running for governor. on election night, kemp beat democratic challenger stacey abrams by a margin of about 54,000 votes.
she contends that margin was basically due to the changes he had made as secretary of state to suppress the vote. so in brian kemp we are not talk about a guy with a stalwart commitment to ballot access, democratic integrity. in fact, he has a reputation for just the opposite. but like brad raffensperger, brian kemp refused to actively foment a coup, despite the fact that like brad raffensperger, he also was on the receiving end of a call from donald trump asking him to do so. and ever since, trump has been trying to get rid of him too. in september, when trump held a rally in georgia, he hinted that kemp would be primaried and that he had a candidate in mind. >> your rino governor brian kemp, who has been a complete disaster on election integrity. a complete and total -- and i'm not looking to say that. i'm not looking to say that. he has been a complete and total disaster on election integrity.
with us tonight a friend of mine and a great senator, a man who -- i don't know, are you going to run for governor, david perdue? are you going run for governor? where is david. stand up, david. david perdue. are you running for governor, david? did i hear he is running for governor? thank you, david. he is a great guy, and he loves this state, and he has done a fantastic -- a fantastic job. >> of course perdue can run for governor because he lost that senate race quite infamously. last week stacey abrams announced she is running for governor again, a rematch being set up from 2018. and in response donald trump issued this deranged statement. quote, abrams just announced she is running for governor of georgia. i beat her single-handedly in 2018. i'll beat her again, but it will be hard to do with brian kemp because the maga base just will not vote for him after what he did with respect to election
integrity. but some good republican will run and some good republican will get my endorsement, and some good republican will win. well, you probably know where this is going. lo and behold, some good republican has raised his hand. >> i'm david perdue. i'm running for governor to make sure stacey abrams is never governor of georgia. to fight back, we simply have to be united. unfortunately, today we're divided, and brian kemp and brad raffensperger are to blame. look, i like brian. this isn't personal. it's simple. he has failed all of us and cannot win in november. instead of protecting our elections, he caved to abrams and cost us two senate seats, the senate majority, and gave joe biden free rein. think about how different it would be if kemp had fought abrams first instead of fighting trump. >> what does that even mean? just minutes ago the official stamp of approval from donald trump came in.
he released this statement, never missing a chance to knock the current governor, quote, kemp has been a very weak governor. the liberals and rinos has run all over him on election integrity and more. that's not about the people of georgia. it's about donald trump. because it's about one thing. david perdue knows it. he can say his campaign is about whatever the heck he wants. it exists for one reason, to remove brian kemp and replace him with a republican who will participate in donald trump's next coup. that's not a hyperbole. that is just the plain facts as they appear before us. incumbent politicians to be clear rarely get primaried unless they're really disastrous dire straits and run with the blessing of their party, usually because they control the state party if they're governor, and because they have the name recognition and the power of incumbency behind them. the exceptional problem happening with this incumbent,
of course, isn't anything kemp did policy wise. it is the failure to pull off a coup for donald trump to alter the trajectory of american democracy away from election by the people and towards an authoritarian dictate from above of who gets to be the next president. so david perdue can make noise about election integrity all he wants, which is just a euphemism. that's not what he is running on. he is running on a platform of brian kemp didn't pull off donald trump's coup. he did not take the shot at american democracy, but i will. that's it. end of story. that's what this election is about. donald trump's mono maniacal focus on the pro coup litmus test is working. we're seeing it. state after state, office after office, part of the broad assault on the basic mechanics of democracy and representation. as "the washington post" reported, trump allies are working to install their supporters, like david perdue, quote, in key election posts across the country. part of a wave of republican
contenders who have embraced the former president's false assertions about the 2020 election. donald trump is looking for collaborators. he wants collaborators for his next run at american representative government to destroy it, and he is getting them in droves. senator sheldon whitehouse, a democrat from rhode island who serves in the senate judiciary committee, he just wrote this opinion piece in "the boston globe" about the upcoming ever summit for democracy and fight against corruption and authoritarianism. senator, you are obviously a colleague of david perdue before he lost that election in a free and fair election in which the people chose to kick him out of his office. it just strikes me as like craven and shabby and odious to sign up for a primary challenge under these conditions, but i wonder what you think as someone who knows the man. >> i'm a little surprised myself. i did not see him as somebody who was going to be this allied
with trump for this particular reason. >> there is no other real way to interpret it, right? this is what it's about. right? you can't say there is some other agenda here. >> nope. and, well, if you look at georgia, you know, you see that trump has got these candidates in his trump slate that he is trying to move into georgia, and that's one issue. you played the tape of his call to secretary of state raffensperger, and that's part of a scheme to try to influence the election and in fact to try to cheat in that election. that goes straight into georgia
as well as david perdue. and then you got a third thread, which i'll bring in, if you don't mind, which is jeffrey clark, the guy we're looking at in the senate judiciary committee who was in the u.s. department of justice, nominally
in charge of the environment division, which under trump you know he wasn't supposed to do anything in. and he got himself all cooked up with a scheme to undo the election where? in georgia. >> yeah. >> he has now plead the fifth. he is not exactly a principle figure. he is kind of dweebie. so the likelihood that there were people behind him steering that letter at georgia as part of that scheme operating within the department of justice and through the department of justice is a pretty strong probability right now. so, you know, georgia could be the place trump goes for redemption, but georgia could also be the place where justice comes for trump. >> you mentioned jeffrey clark and his
sort of involvement in the department of justice. he apparently has pleaded the fifth now in terms of the subpoena from the committee. there are other layers here as well. what we're seeing happen in realtime is the assembling of people that will be willing to do what raffensperger didn't,
right. but even before we get to that, we have state governments that are controlled by republican state legislate chores, in texas gerrymandering their maps at the state level. >> yep. >> and at the congressional level an announcement from the department of justice, they will be suing texas over its new map. of course they couldn't block it ahead of time thanks to the roberts court which has gutted the voting rights act and has given carte blanche in a later case to pursue this extreme gerrymandering which manages to rig the game before anyone counts any votes or before you have to do any post-election jockeying of the secretary of state. >> yeah, now you're into the whole other question of how dark money packed the supreme court and captured it the way industries are accustomed to capturing regulatory agencies to do its bidding and how extremely obediently the roberts court signaled by a whole armada of
dark money funded amicus groups from the right wing have done exactly that. and, again, it all aligns towards reduced democracy and more power for special interests, particularly for very rich special interests who can hide behind the anonymity that the court has provided them. >> there is a growing sense. i mean, i feel a very pitched sense about the health of american democracy. i think sometimes there is a frustration. >> yes. >> there is insufficient appreciation in your chamber of what the stakes are. there is a filibuster -- >> agreed. >> that stands in the way of the democratic majority passing structural democratic reform that might be able to sort of forestall some of the worst case scenarios, strengthen democracy. do you agree with the critics who look at what the senate is doing and say you're not doing enough? >> yes totally not doing enough. on the other hand, you've got, you know, a local d.a. in fulton county, georgia who is doing her
job of doing a proper investigation. you've got this litigation by the department of justice which if they're energetic and aggressive, particularly in the discovery phase they could find out quite a lot. we've got our investigations going in the judiciary committee in the senate. so there's more to be done on the investigative side and more to be discovered i think through courts and through investigators. so while we are kind of blocked up with trying to find a way procedurally forward around republican obstruction and filibuster of these democracy reforms, there still are good proceedings that could yield very valuable information that could help turn this thing. >> the court -- the court's role in this and this sort of back and forth between the court's jurisprudence on these sort of key democratic structural reforms, them sort of giving the green light to state legislators to sort of barricade themselves
into power, it has a kind of fly wheel effect that we're all watching. this is the fear that you attenuate the ability to call people to account, that you attenuate the basic mechanisms of democratic accountability before you even get to the subversion question. how important do you think this summit is this week? is it a real thing? or is it show? >> no, i think the summit is real. i think that there are two separate dark money, dark economy problems that america is facing. one is the dark money control that has packed the supreme court that has done climate denial, that is behind voter suppression, and that runs so much of republican politics. the other is on the international side, kleptocrats and criminals are able to hide enormous amounts of stolen money, and they hide it in rule of law countries behind the very secrecy that is used by the domestic schemers. so the two relate in that sense,
and the shared solution for both is a lot more transparency to give to american citizens, voters what james madison called for, which is knowledge, because knowledge will forever governor ignorance, and you can't allow the american people to be ignorant of what's going on around them by letting politics be secret. >> senator sheldon whitehouse, thank you so much for making time tonight. an extraordinary accusation of lies and a cover-up by top army officials trying to hide what actually happened with the national guard on january 6. the jaw-dropping details next. . . i needed him to be here. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. feel stuck with student loan debt? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money right.
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early in the afternoon on the day of the capitol insurrection, it had been clear to everyone who could see the scene from the capitol police battling the mob to literally anyone watching at home that more law enforcement was needed and quickly. by 2:30 p.m., the trump-fueled mob had already breached the capitol and were inside the building, and members of congress were cowering in their seats, reaching for their gas masks and taking off their pins. at 2:30 p.m., there was a conference call between the capitol police and pentagon officials about what to do about this urgent crisis. according to the commanding general of the d.c. national guard, when the capitol police requested assistance from the national guard on that call, they were denied. >> the army senior leaders did not think that it looked good,
it would be a good optic. they further stated that it could incite the crowd. >> in written testimony, general charles flynn, then deputy chief of staff for operations who was on that call wrote, quote, i never expressed a concern about the public, image or perception regarding sending national guard to the u.s. capitol. director of army staff also on the call claimed at no point on january 6 did i tell anyone d.c. national guard should not deploy directly to the capitol. well, colonel earl matthews was serving as the top attorney to the d.c. national guard on that day on january 6. he was also on that call. and he says those two generals are lying. and i don't mean like suggest that. in a 36-page memo, matthews calls both men, quote, absolute and unmitigated liars, criticized the pentagon's inspector general for whitewashing the army's actions. specifically he says general
pious answered is false and misleading, calls charles flynn's claim he was not concerned with optics outright purgesy. the pentagon participating in a secret attempt to rewrite the history of the military's response to the capitol riot. woodra swann, correspondent for politico joins me now. betsy, let's first set up this point of controversy and contention and the timeline here in this call, just to go back through this. we've got the 2:36 request the national guard support by verbal question. flynn recommends for d.c. guard to stand by. they start drafting a plan for course of action. they say hey, we need people. the national guard does not get sent, and from the beginning there has been a question of why not. >> there has been a question of why it took so long for national
guard troops to get to the capitol building and defend the capitol. the defense department's internal watchdog, its inspector general released a report earlier this year that was basically exculpatory. it essentially said that the pentagon did everything it could have done, that senior pentagon leaders were doing their best, and that this day on the whole looks good for the u.s. military. what we have emerging now is a counternarrative coming not from the pentagon, but from the d.c. national guard, the actual group of troops who were called to respond to the capitol building. of course, we've had general walker's testimony. and now we have colonel matthews, who was on that 2:30 call amplifying and adding detail to that testimony. one key point of dissension is what did these two generals, flynn and pyatt say on the call when the capitol police chief was begging them to send in the national guard as soon as possible? those two generals have told congress that they did not oppose immediately sending in
the national guard while matthews now says in this document that's been delivered to the january 6 select committee that in fact they did. and very importantly, another key piece of detail that matthews brings here is he describes how everyone in the d.c. national guard at the armory in d.c. where many of those guard forces were stationed was -- he used the word stunned to describe how long it took the national guard to get to the capitol building. matthews gives an insider perspective of the extent to which d.c. national guard leadership felt ready to go. they felt they needed to be there. they felt they had the skills, the equipment, the personnel necessary to get there and make a difference, but they were stunned that it took senior pentagon leadership so long to green light sending those troops over. now to be clear, the pentagon is defending these two generals. they gave us a statement saying that pyatt and flynn were honest when they spoke to the committee. these are two diverging
narratives, and it doesn't seem possible for both of them to be true. the fact that there is this new emerging narrative coming out right now about why it took so long is a recent development. >> right. we should just be clear. this document is scorching. he says of the ig report, he says it is a revisionist tract worthy of the best stalinist and north korea propagandist. he says it's unmitigated lying that flynn committed perjury. it strikes me here these men are both on the record and i believe under oath saying we didn't slow-walk this because of a concern about optics. we weren't worried about how it would look if the national guard was called up. that wasn't the issue. and what you have from matthews is saying that's not true. at least in his telling, that's precisely what they were worried about. >> right. you have matthews saying that's a lie and using, to your point, unusually strong language to go after these two generals. an important piece of context
for all of this is that everything about the way the pentagon and the d.c. national guard prepared for january 6 was totally in reaction to the summer of 2020 when the u.s. military responded in a way that was deeply disturbing to protests in washington, d.c. so what everyone at the pentagon was thinking how do we make heuer the national guard doesn't go too far? how do we make sure the pentagon doesn't overreach? how do we make sure we don't overreact? that was the number one concern. and well, congratulations to the pentagon. they certainly didn't overreact. the problem of course was that they underestimated the immense danger that a crowd of quote, unquote blue lives matter type trump supporters posed to the law enforcement officers and to americans, america's democratic process. it was a horrible underestimation with immense consequences. >> betsy woodruff swan, as always, great reporting. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, she was one of the five people who died leonardo months ago at the
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do you believe that roseanne was radicalized? >> yes, yeah. >> her family tried to talk her out of attending the january 6 rally held in washington, but she refused. she went to the rally with a friend, justin winchle who had been one of the last people to see her alive. her family watched in horror as the events of that day unfolded. >> so we just watched the news, and the second that they said the second person died, or somebody -- there was more than one death, i knew automatically that it was her. >> 11 months ago after thousands of insurrectionists swarmed the capitol in the attempt to violently overthrow a free and fair election, five people lost their lives. and one of them was roseanne boyland from kennesaw, georgia.
court footage from january 6 shows boyland lying motionless on the ground as the crowd tried to breach police security and her friend frantically yelled for someone to help. msnbc's own ayman mohyeldin grew up in the same georgia town as boyland. they both attended the same high school a few years apart. ayman has covered extremism and in the middle for more than a decade. this happened in mall town america by a woman who is describe as apolitical by her family until last year. so ayman set out to investigate just how it was that roseanne boyland ended up at the capitol on that fateful day. it's part of an incredible new podcast called "american radical." ayman chronicles her journey to a foot soldier in a movement that threatened the very essence of american democracy. according to her family, it all began last year. >> her family started to notice that something seemed a bit off. >> she started getting a little
closed off and distant and like on christmas she was here, but she was just on her phone the whole time. she wasn't like participating in the opening of presents. >> reporter: roseanne began to withdraw from family commitments and instead started going down a qanon rabbit hole of child trafficking conspiracy theories. >> she was hey, have you heard about this? no. so she researched it. i left there at probably 5:00 in the evening, and she texted me at 7:00 in the morning. she had been up all night watching youtube. >> ayman mohyeldin spent the better part of a year talking with roseanne boyland's friends and family, piecing together just what happened as part of his new podcast american radical. and ayman joins me here tonight. it's great to have you here. it's a fantastic, fantastic series. >> thank you. >> absolutely check it out. >> first, give a little context of this place that you went to high school in. what's it like? what's the vibe in kennesaw, georgia? >> i mean, listen, this isn't the early '90s. it's suburban america.
not very diverse, which is different than it now. back then it was a staunchly red district neighboring newt gingrich's district when he was coming up at the speaker of the house. and now it's changed. it's a little bit more diverse. there is a little bit more diversity economically as well as politically. and it is now a purple district. and depending on any given year, it depends on who wins. it's also an area that has some economic hardships and also at the center of it is quite a severe drug problem. and it's something that roseanne struggled with. it was part of her december institution is that she was struggling with drug addiction, and it was something that plagued her throughout her years and made her struggle throughout the court of her teenaged and early adult life. >> this is someone, roseanne boyland, who does have some things she is working on, struggling with before she finds this kind of political awakening. her family says she wasn't a
particularly political person. >> absolutely. she had never voted in her life. she was not a person -- in fact, from the beginning of this transformation, she engaged in a lot of humor making fun of donald trump. she shared memes with the family where they poked fun of him and made fun of him, like a lot of people did and certainly still do. but then there was a transformation. and they were very interested in what led to that transformation. it began with qanon. it began with this child trafficking conspiracy theory that gripped her and hooked her into that, and it morphed from there into thinking there was this secret ring of top hollywood elites that were engaged in pedophilia, and donald trump is going to be the one who breaks this ring up. she began to support donald trump. and realized if she can somehow participate in expressing her support for trump, it was going to give her this sense of purpose, a sense of community. one of the last messages she shared on parlor, the social networking site is she had found her true brothers and sisters in the january 6 rally, and she was going up there.
she even said her family thinks she is crazy for doing it, but this is where she needs to be, and god had given her this clarity to be there to stop the certification of the election so that donald trump could stay in power and protect and save the children. >> those two aspects of it i found fascinating. one is that her way into this isn't through politics. it's through the conspiracy theory of qanon, which is political, but her front end of it isn't. >> yeah. >> it's about this secret cabal of evil doers that is sort of independent from partisan politics. and then she moves from that into donald trump support. >> and the hook, if you will is that she cared about children. she loved children. she was a great aunt. she couldn't have children of her own. in some ways she had a little bit of this vulnerability towards children. when you look at the core tenet of qanon, it's about saving children. that was the entry point into it. as you look into it further and further, it goes from one to the other. she spent quite an evening, according to her sister, looking into the conspiracy theory, the
way fair conspiracy theory which was a bizarre and crazy theory, that way fair, this ecommerce comment was somehow involved in trafficking children through their online platform. >> totally false. >> totally false, completely bonkers. at the end of the day, it's what hooked her into it. she spent a lot of time looking into it and ultimately going to d.c. >> when her family talks about it and in the podcast, the religious aspect of it, that she feels -- people call qanon a cult. there is this intense sort of spiritual belief in something, in things unseen. this intense form of radicalization that is a bit impervious to the normal means of persuasion. >> yes. >> she sort of feels like she is a soldier in god's army. >> first of all, this a person by her own admission who finds god. she does find this community of people who believe the same way, and that was the path to god. what is interesting about it, and it's something i've seen
overseas is radicalism happens at this intersection between december institution, disinformation and demagogue rich. and america has had that, no downtown it. what was kind of unique in this era is demagoguery. you had the presence of donald trump who was seen by people as a demagogue. he was able to channel -- >> to channel it. >> to channel their destitute shun, your societal ill, i can fix them. if you follow me, i can fix your problems in society whether it's saving the children or whatever. people are willing to march for him and follow him all the way to the capitol. and in some way, it does become like a cult. when we spoke to her sister, she described it as people who -- whether it's the sobriety movement or what have you were finding a sense of purpose and a community. and once they felt that they belonged to something, the only way they could stay in it, was to commit themselves more and more and more. >> her family obviously is devastated by her loss. they wanted her not to go.
in that moment where they said we knew it was her, they're also not sure about the cause of death. >> yeah. >> that's something that comes up in the podcast. >> yeah, they're questioning it, because there is two components to this. there is the final couple of minutes of her life, which is literally what happened in the five, ten minutes before she was taken over the police line. was she hit by something? did she get trampled in the autopsy report that came out said she died of an amphetamine overdose or amphetamine intoxication. it's not street drugs. she had a prescription for adderall. the family is not convinced that a proper investigation was done. so they want to see a proper investigation being carried out. they also believe that there is body cam footage that is important to identifying what happened in those last five minutes, and they don't believe those body cam footage or that material has been properly released yet. and they're trying to pursue the release of that footage. now when i asked the sister, she doesn't say that she believes
the police killed roseanne, but there are still unanswered question, and they want to know whether or not it is simply a drug overdose or whether there was something else that happened and somebody should be held accountable. >> we should note that this is incredibly difficult material. it's tragic and awful, and it's very humanely done, and it's great reporting. they reached out the you, right? you did not show up at the doorknocking. >> i mean, that's the connection to the story. i went to high school in the same high school roseanne went. i knew her brother-in-law justin. we played soccer together. three days after the insurrection, i didn't even know who roseanne was. i didn't process the names yet. and three days after the insurrection, i got a message from justin saying my sister-in-law was among those that died in the capitol. we believe she was radicalized in under six months. those were his words. so when i heard the word "radicalization" and knew it was justin, it made me -- i reached out to him immediately. he asked me, do you want to hear her story? i said absolutely. again, it was something i had seen overseas.
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donald trump first tested positive for coronavirus nearly a week before it was made public. we learned that last week from a leaked copy of a new book by his then chief of staff mark meadows a book trump blurbed by the way. there has been more reporting about trump's movement in those six days including this amazing piece in "the washington post" tracking how many people came into close contact with the coronavirus positive president. on the day trump first reportedly tested positive he held an infamous rose garden event announcing amy coney barret's nomination as supreme
court justice as well as an indoor reception afterwards. that day "the washington post" estimates trump came into contact with up to 150 people. between that event and his trip to a rally in hairs burg, pennsylvania that night. the next day he hosted an event for gold star families whose loved ones died in combat. at the event was the then vice commandant of the coast guard who later tested positive for coronavirus. in total that day trump was in contact with roughly 70 people. it is also worth noting after trump was hospitalized he went on fox news and implied the gold star families could have infected him. despite testing positive the day before meeting them. on that monday, september 28th, trump held an event to show case the administration's plans to fight the virus. it was a bizarre scene where the president was placed at a separate lectern far apart from the other speakers. that is not what they normally did. that day "the post" found out he came into contact with about 30 people. the follow go day tuesday morning he spent hours with his debate prep team including chris christie who would later test
positive for coronavirus himself and be admitted to icu. trump then took part in the first presidential debate standing feet away from his opponent joe biden and moderator chris wallace. that day "the post" estimates he came into contact with about 20 people. on september 30th and october 1st trump was in contact with another 250 people as his schedule included fundraisers in minnesota and new jersey. on october 2nd donald trump tweeted he and his wife tested positive for the virus. he was flown to walter reed medical center six days after the first test. after coming into contact with more than 500 people according to "the washington post" analysis. one of the reporters who worked on the amazing analysis piece laying out the contacts donald trump had after testing positive for coronavirus, it is really, i mean, a truly shocking timeline when you consider how scary this
virus is. how much everyone has tried to tamp down contact. if you heard this story about just a random person it is like the kind of thing that might pop up in early reporting on the virus. you'd hear stories about superspreading events or this person was infected and went to a concert and did this. in this case it is the president of the united states. >> well, it is the president of the united states and it is the president of the united states who has received on september 26th a positive coronavirus test. and so what we set out to do was basically do our own version of contact tracing. you laid it out well. i want to point out two things that really jump out to me as especially irresponsible in that timeline. one is on the day the president has received this positive test they re-run it, another rapid test which is not what you are supposed to do. you are supposed to do a more thorough pcr. at this point the president has acknowledged he received one positive and one negative test.
that is hardly conclusive of anything other than you should take serious mitigation steps until you find out if it is a true positive or false positive. what the president does in fact is walks back to the tiny, enclosed press cabin on airforce one on his way back from that rally, unmasked, talks to a group of 13 reporters one of whom publicly shares that he ends up coming down with covid the exact same day the president ends up going to the hospital. >> you've got that and then also the other thing your timeline lays out that snaps something into focus i've always thought about is how does this happen? take away any sense of moral obligation or the seriousness with which one takes covid. the job of white house security and secret service, keep the president alive, right? you're trying to keep the president alive and safe in the context of a once in a century pandemic and you would think like the protocols, the amount of testing they were doing, how could it be case you have this cluster out of the white house?
the answer is this. one former senior administration official speaking on the condition of and mimty to share a candid opinion everyone spent month trying to reconstruct the rose garden. it was good old patient one which is to say the president. the testing protocol and everything is to protect the president from infection by others. but if he tests positive and you let him loose this is what you're going to get. >> that is exactly right, too. there was a striking point in our story from one of his former chiefs of staff john kelley who basically said if the president had tested positive, if i had found out about that positive test result i would have absolutely canceled everything. and, he says, i would have rushed him straight to walter reed as a precaution. so exactly what you just raised not just protecting the cabinet secretaries, the public, the rally goers, the gold star families from the president who very well could have been patient zero but frankly protecting the president from the very real crisis as well.
>> you know, the other aspect of this i think is just the fact that i remember at the time there was no contact tracing being done. the white house wasn't -- am i wrong? the white house wasn't calling gold star families. no one is getting notified. if a case pops up in your work place or your school, you know, there's just standard protocols if there is a case that you're contacting. you get notified. in this case as far as i can tell basically no one got notified. >> that's right. as anyone who has kids can tell you if there is an exposure in your child's class just about everyone find out and you have to begin a horrific quarantine that affects everyone's lives. that is for safety and understandable reasons. in this case mark meadows in his book claims he told the necessary people and said treat the president as if he has covid but in fact when we went back and reported that, it simply is not the case. we talked to a number of top administration officials who said they were not alerted. for instance vice president pence who was there for the
first day and on subsequent days he was never told. he continued to interact with the president. even someone who flew with president trump on marine one after it was known that -- even if you believe it was a false positive for trump you now know he has been exposed regularly to someone who came down with the virus. they were not told before they got on marine one with a maskless trump that he had it. >> ashley parker, great reporting. thank you so much. that is "all in" on this monday night and "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening chris, much appreciated. happy to have you with us here on this monday night. 30 years ago this week the other super power in the world besides the united states breathed its last breath as a nation. 30 years ago this week the leaders of what was then russia not an independent country but russia part of ussr, the leaders of russia and ukraine and