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against terrorists. >> reporter: the waters twoen here and northern france and the british coast are trechouserous, busy, and this time of the year very cold. we've had near misses before. a bad accident was predictable. but this loss of life is clearly terrible. now, a criminal investigation has started. a number of suspected people smugglers have been arrested. the question is how will this disaster change the debate about how france and the uk should manage cross channel migration? britain has long claimed the french should do more to stop these boats leaving. last month we filmed these people running down a beach near calle with their boat headed for the uk and watched by the french police who did not intervene. but now political debate has coincided with tragedy. one of the first people to reach the scene in the middle of the channel was this life boatman.
>> translator: it was really dramatic. there were floating bodies and very shocking. we recovered all the people we saw on boats, we recovered six people. >> all dead? >> all dead, yes. there was one woman who was pregnant and a young man 18 to 20 years old and the rest were men. >> reporter: this area of northern france is dotted with groups of people desperate to reach the uk, prepared to pay thousands to smugglers and also to accept great risks. now those risks have come horribly true. adam parsons, sky news, calle. >> that was sky news' adam parsons reporting, an incredible, yoi opening report there. coming up, congress is back in session monday with a laundry list of things to get done. we'll take a look at what is on tap for a deadline filled december. then, few cultural main stays were more impacted by the
pandemic than sports. and now the new omicron variant raises questions about what comes next. plus, what is the last time you've been to a movie theater? with awards season on mind, my sunday night panel is here to look at the future of the movie business. i'm ayman mojedin. let's get started. all right. congress returns next week and there is no shortage of work to be done. perhaps no item is more pressing than the cornerstone of biden's legislative agenda the build back better bill. thanksgiving also marks the official beginning of the holiday season so we thought in that spirit here is where things stand. it was the session before christmas and all through the senate not a creature was stirring not even michael bennett. bills were stacked on schumer's desk with care in hopes joe manchin wouldn't keep them there. the children were nestled all
snug in their beds while visions of paid family leave danced in their heads. and ma in her kerchief and i in my cap had hopes this bill would close the wage front. out on the lawn there arose such a wail 'tis the gop who wants nothing more than this bill to fail. away to the policy flew like a crash, tore open the kroes tabs voters want this to pass. what to my wandering eyes should appear approval ratings down from joe from bella where. i knew if not now the bill will never come. more rapid than eagles surrogates they came. he whistled and tweeted then called them by name. now granholm now pelosi and klain. on kamala. go forth and explain to moderates and libs to suburbs and rural that this bill will
help them now that i am sure of. he sprang to his desk to his team gave a call and away they all flew to the press briefing halls. and i heard him exclaim from the podium with delight let's get this bill passed put an end to this fight. well, we'll see if it works out that way and if you can't tell, my team is very excited about the holiday season as you can see from what we just did. we are even more excited about the prospect of a political wheeling and dealing as the senate takes up the version of president biden's build back better spending plan that passed the house. at the center of the negotiations is of course none other than senator joe manchin. what will it take to get him on board with this plan? will democrats be able to sell this plan to the american people as next year's midterm elections loom large?
joining me now is my panel, including comedian judy gold the author of "yes i can say that" and a sports and culture writer for "the athletic" and the author of "loving sports when they don't love you." great to have you all with us. judy i think the title of your podcast is very apartment for this situation i am in. kill me now. having to read that amazing introduction we just did there to kick off the holiday season. jonathan, i'll begin with you the version of the build back better plan that makes it out of the senate is likely to end up looking a lot different than the one that went in. we know that for a fact. what changes do we expect to see when it comes up in these negotiations? >> let me say i am impressed with your versatility and the democrats can certainly use this as they try to get this done not
only a night tv host but future poet laureate. >> we have an amazing team of writers. i don't want to take all the credit. it belongs to our producers who came up with this idea and they are much more into the holiday spirit than i am at this moment you can see. >> to your question though, this is the bottom line. number one the senate is going to do, the parliamentarian is going to do what they call a bird bath to make sure the house bill is in line with senate rules for reconciliation and those are important. that's why they do it for 50 votes and have special rules. they have to check that. immigration provisions will be difficult to get through there. then the bigger question is what does joe manchin sign off on as you alluded to in the wonderful poem. >> who do you expect to be the major players in these negotiations? obviously the democrats can't afford to lose people like joe manchin and kyrsten sinema.
who is going to be working with them to make sure they actually get on board? is there something they'll ask for that may for example alienate somebody like a senator sanders? >> it is interesting. sinema has played her cards so close to the vest on what she wants. that is not to say she doesn't talk to the white house or congress just doesn't negotiate for the media. you saw her sign off on a lot as the bill was moving through the house. senator sinema will be interesting. manchin's biggest concern right now articulated as such is basically the economy and his concern this bill is going to worsen inflation and make things harder for some americans who try to help. he is the one with the vote so pivotal and on any of the given issues whether the state and local tax deduction being raised to $80,000 from $10,000 or the immigration provisions or others there are any number of democrats who just haven't
raised up a red flag because they've got joe manchin doing it. >> judy, if we are going to try to carry our christmas analogy a little further here, please bear with me. if we talk about joe manchin here does that make him -- he has obviously said he does not support paid family leave. does that make him the grinch in all of this? >> i'm going to go with yes on that. i don't understand if your constituents support this, why do you vote against it? i've never understood that. you are an elected official and represent people and you don't vote in their interest. i have to say this. i know this is not very professional. i am so sick of joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. it is so annoying. it is 24/7. they have so much power and i can't listen to them anymore.
ridiculous. >> joe manchin may be the only person in the senate for whom coal in the stocking is a good thing. >> by the way your writers are awesome. i thought it was brilliant. >> no stealing the writers on this show. they are all very happily employed here. i can speak for them on that front. listen, i wanted to ask you about the democrats here. they've taken a beating throughout these negotiations. people have described it as infighting amongst themselves. it is not to give republicans a pass. they don't want anything to do with this. they don't want to touch it. that is how people are focusing on how do the democrats get this across the finish line. you have politico reporting on a democratic group that ran focus groups in virginia and found voters could not articulate what democrats stand for and what
they are doing in washington besides this infighting. do you think any of that will change if and when biden's build back better bill actually passes? >> i think the hope is that it will. i think that says a lot. any of us who spoke to any of our relatives or friends who are not from the cities we live in over the holidays really were able to speak to people who said we don't hwan democrats are standing for right now. it is really that infighting causing a lot of this turmoil. it is so distressing to see because so many things they are fighting for, universal pre-k and climate protections and things are fairly popular. if they can't get this done i don't know what they are trying to do here. >> these are popular items. do you think democrats are starting to realize that infrastructure alone is not enough for them to keep control of congress? will they adjust their strategy? what message do they need to be hammering home with voters who actually want to see these items
passed but at the same time still feel anxious about the state of the country. >> it depends which democrats you talk to. there are certainly those who believe doing less may be better for them come midterm yet at the same time as you saw with the overwhelming house vote are willing to vote for it because they think it is important and they'll be able to go out and sell it to their constituents and even if they don't they would have liked to have done that while in congress. that said, there is going to be that buttressing against that position from the manchins and maybe similar, maybe a couple others on particular issues where they look and say, look, we're good going out and selling infrastructure. it is not such a good thing to go out and sell family leave which obviously is very popular when it polls alone or some of the other items in the bill. we just have to see. it is interesting there is a christmas deadline but not a real deadline in the way the
december 3rd or appropriations bills or the december 13th for the debt ceiling are hard lines. >> i know the democrats have been forced to negotiate among themselves over the long months. republicans have sat back and done nothing. i just want to be clear about that. how are they not getting some if not all of the blame for the dysfunction right now in washington? i know a lot of that begins with the media and how the media covers the republicans but republicans are completely awol from this and don't want to do anything with this. we are forced to talk about who is getting things done but should more of the blame if not all of the blame be on the republicans who won't even sit at the table to negotiate these things? >> absolutely. but the democrats need your writers because we are so bad at messaging. it is -- the fact that people don't understand what is in these bills, the fact we cannot
come up with a -- build back better is fine. it is not make america great again. we got to get some good writers here to be able to translate in an entertaining way. we love entertainment. in a way that it is easy for people to understand what is in these bills and how it helps them and to be able to say it succintly so it sticks. you know? we are really bad at messaging. >> i could see judy making the hard sell to my producers and writers to leave the show and go work for the democrats. i'll ask you to stick around. we have a lot more to discuss, just getting started with our fire side chat. reboots are all the rage when it comes to movies this year and some of us are saying, yeah, no thanks. i'll ask my sunday night panel what they think about reboots.
plus the long awaited trial of ghislain maxwell is set to begin on monday. we'll break down what you can expect from opening arguments. but first, richard lui is here with the headlines. >> like the barca lounger by the way. some stories we're watching, a 26-year-old man from guatemala stowed away in a plane landing gear bay and survived the two-hour flight. the faa says it could have included temperatures 65 below zero, lack of oxygen, not getting crushed by equipment, and not falling when the gear lowered. the 737 landed in miami saturday. a 7.5 magnitude earthquake shook the northern region of peru today felt as far south as southern ecuador and destroyed homes and left provinces without electricity. no deaths were reported. fashion icon virgil abloh died at the age of 41. he passed away of a silent two-year battle with a rare form of cancer, according to his family. he was artistic director of louis vitton menswear and
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all right. just like falling leaves signal the start of autumn turkey leftovers usually means one thing -- holiday movie season is finally upon us. one classic of the genre of course we all love it "home alone." >> this is my house. i have to defend it. >> from john hughes -- >> i got a feeling this is going to be your best christmas ever. >> -- a family comedy without the family. "home alone." >> all right. so it is hard to believe it has been 31 years since the original film was released enough time for the hugely popular franchise to bring in a whopping nearly half a billion dollars. since hollywood is serving up a heaping platter of remakes this year we should have expected it to make a comeback but with at least one significant change. see if you can spot the difference. watch this. >> my mom and dad have gone to tokyo. i am totally on my own.
this is my house. i have to defend it. that did not sound right. >> all right. i'm not sure if you could pick up the subtle difference there in that. we're joined now by a correspondent for "fan dango" and judy gold and, guys, i want your thoughts on so much to do with the box office. i'll start with you. disney's "encanto" led the box office available only in theaters not on streaming service. it has been two years into this pandemic. how is business in hollywood adapting? are the studios managing to convince audiences to get off their couches and return to theaters? if so how are they doing it? >> business is not just back but back in a big way.
we've seen over the past several months even three or four months ago you had movies not opening against each other but like you said "encanto" opened this past weekend against "house of gucci" and they're all putting up impressive numbers. you see movies like "eternals" opening over $90 billion and i predict in december you'll have your first post pandemic 100 million plus opening which is spider-man no way home. business is definitely back. >> incredible. i remember around this time last year i believe it was hbo max i was saying they were only going to release movies on the streaming services. are studios still committed to that or going back to the hybrid model of both streaming or just like prepandemic which is only theaters and after that release we go to streaming services?
ment you are correct. hbo max released all of their films on the say day for 2021 and are committed to that until the end of 2021. moving forward i think you'll see mostly a release in theaters only but it is really going to depend on the kind of movie, the kind of box office it can bring in. some are opening at home depending on the film but for the most part more and more going back to just theatrical release. >> the way i approach this, i have two young kids. if we're going to the theater you're talking about a babysitter and additional costs plus the tickets so if a theater is going to cost me a hundred dollars to go watch a movie and i stay home and pay 25 or 30 bucks to watch it one time it is a simple equation i'd rather stay home and watch it there in the comfort of my own home.
have you been back to the theaters? what is your threshold on whether you would go back to the theaters or staying home? >> i have to admit i have not been back to the movie theater but it isn't out of not having the desire. the calculus you mentioned is very much part of it. it is very expensive to go to a movie. in the same way we argue the performing arts on stage, the opera and broadband are so important, every artist who works in hollywood will tell you it is important to go watch a movie in a theater. that is the medium by which it was meant to be consumed. june is one of those movies i want to see in a theater and "house of gucci" for sure >> i definitely on the big blockbuster ones nothing beats the movie experience like "bond" or the big action movies like "fast and furious." judy, do you prefer watching from the comfort of your home? have you been back to the theater yet? do you prefer staying in?
>> i also have not been to the movie theater yet but the whole experience of going to the movies is in itself why you spend a little bit more money. that being said, popcorn is about $50 for a little, you know? it is ridiculous. then first of all when i went to the movies as a kid it is like a 64-ounce soda. i don't understand it. that is really where all of my money goes. yes, being in a theater and now they have the really comfortable seats in the theaters where you can fall asleep and you think you're at home. you know, the sound system -- >> make the chair so comfortable you fall asleep and miss the movie. >> yes. >> what is worse is i can pay $30 to go sit in someone else's chair when you can stay home on your couch for free. >> exactly. it is the experience and kind of
fun. >> the experience is what it is all about. i want to ask you about director ridley scott. he got a lot of grief after he blamed millennials and their bleeping cell phones for the failure of his last film "the last duel" and talk about that controversy and was he correct to point the finger at apathetic young audiences? >> i feel like he got a bad rap for that statement. if we look at what he said he kind of talked about how millennials are sort of driving the box office these days. a lot of them go to see these movies and just didn't go see his film. that said i understand where he is coming from in the last duel in my opinion is one of the best of the year and one of the biggest box office flops. of course he did a little better this weekend with "house of gucci" but continues to make great films. i think he has sort of said he doesn't really pay attention to the critics or the box office. as long as he continues to make good movies i think people will continue to see them. i think "the last duel" will do
well on streaming because that is a film people want to see. they just don't necessarily want to see it on the big screen like they maybe want to see a super hero like you said or fast nine. >> let's talk about some of the reboots. we started with "home alone." 2021 has featured a lot of these remakes. this is a partial list. what should we make of that? is it profitability, a sense of nostalgia? what is it about reboots and remakes that is so appealing especially with a movie like "home alone" that was 31 years ago. i can't even begin to explain to my 4-year-old daughter what this movie meant as a young child and how excited i would get and still get when i see it on tv. >> i think the key words are built-in fan base. that is what people are going to see when they see a prequel, reboot, remake, sequel, what
have you. it is a warm fuzzy blanket in a sense. you look at ghost busters that opened a couple weeks ago. what they did really well was skirted both the younger generation because their leads were young actors, mckenna grace, but then they brought back the ogs i'm sure who made you happy like bill muhry and dan akroyd and there was a lot of fan service down to twinkies placed in the new movie for fans to the originals. they have done a really good job of that. i think making a reboot in hollywood successful these days is as difficult as making a new property because of the fact that fans are so unforgiving about their beloved franchises and there are all kinds of ways to get reviews before they go. on social media people are vocal about it and fans know what they are getting into before they go see a film. >> the fans almost outweigh the critics. people look at rotten tomatoes and see the score more
importantly than two thumbs up from someone. i have to ask you about a major reboot coming up. steven spielberg's "west side story" featuring lyrics by the late and great steven sondheim who died on friday. how cathartic will that film be for you? >> well, i think it is important that it did have his blessing and there is so much that he did that, you know, you talk about reboots as far as films are concerned but then you think about reboots as far as theater is concerned. so many plays are done many yoers apart with different actors but a different art form. so i feel like i think people are going to because of sondheim's unfortunate and untimely death people will be interested especially since it is steven spielberg but like we're saying "west side story"
was perfect before. but it has him in it. it has him being part of it. so i think it will do very well. he had such an impact on so many people and the thing that is so fascinating, you look on social media and you see everyone quoting lyrics, his lyrics that meant something to them personally. it is a huge loss. he was incredible. >> it certainly was. we were remembering his life last night. before we go i got to ask you do you have a favorite holiday movie you watch every year no matter how many times you've seen it? what is your go to? >> a classic. it's the peanuts, you know, the peanuts christmas special. i have that tiny little pathetic christmas tree. and i just want to jump in and say one quick thing about
sondheim. i was very lucky to be conducted by him in high school and it was a huge loss when he passed. he had a huge impact on me. i am not a huge revival person but to see a revival bring sondheim to generations who don't have the music education i was lucky enough to have is so important. >> what an incredible story and how lucky are you to have experienced that greatness. thank you so much for sharing that with us. thank you for joining us this evening. we have a lot more to talk about straight ahead. still ahead, victims of jeffrey epstein are hoping for some closure as the trial of his former girlfriend and long time companion ghislain maxwell begins tomorrow. we'll break down what you can expect next. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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maxwell begins in new york tomorrow more than two years after epstein's death by apparent suicide which left his alleged victims without a full chance at justice. but prosecutors say maxwell played a pivotal role in helping the convicted sex offender recruit and abuse girls as young as 14 years old. maxwell has repeatedly denied the allegations against her. here is nbc's report. >> reporter: in just hours opening statements set to begin in ghislain maxwell's highly anticipated trial. steps from where convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein died in an apparent suicide. >> you think epstein's death makes this case the only opportunity really to hold him and ghislain maxwell accountable and to give these survivors some measure of justice. maxwell faces sex trafficking charges that could land her in prison the rest of her life the prosecutor paint k the british socialite turned suspect as a key figure in bringing a stream of girls as young as 14 to epstein's estates for sexual
abuse. >> in my opinion she might have been equally as bad as he was. >> reporter: jennifer arod told nbc news she was 15 when epstein raped her though she won't be expected to testify with allegations mostly from the 1990s. >> reporter: will we see maxwell testify? >> i don't know. there is a risk of testifying but i think they'll make a game day decision based on how they believe the government's case has gone in. >> reporter: maxwell insists she is innocent. awaiting her trial from behind bars. she described it as a living hell telling "the daily mail" i am weak, i am frail. her siblings pleading with the united nags to help get her out calling maxwell's pretrial detention unprecedented discrimination. >> she is treated as gill. she has been there 500 days. they are hoping no doubt the authorities that they'll be able to put her away for 20, 30, 40, 50, 80 years. well, let justice decide.
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stadiums. 2021 marked the return of sports but just as we thought we were back to normal you had the delta variant and sports leagues powder through that despite the increased risk with some precautions put in place. after being postponed for a year you had the summer olympics held in tokyo without fans in the stands. you had vaccine hesitancy among some of the sports world's biggest stars leading them to miss games. so what will 2022 look like as the new omicron varnlt is spreading across the globe? i'll start with you. give us your big picture assessment of how the sports world adapted to covid in 2021. yes certain players have been forced to miss games but for most of the league's, well over 95% of them have powered through by getting their players
vaccinated. due think it has been successful or would you like to see more caution from the leagues? >> you can paint me as somebody who would have liked to see a lot more caution particularly by the nfl and perhaps college football. at the same time these leagues have been successful. it is undeniable we haven't had major outbreaks causing major suspensions of seasons. we had the new york islanders have to postpone two games because of eight players entering covid protocols but for the most part it has been fairly successful. the wnba led the way very quietly getting 96% of its league vaccinated and along the way we've seen similar numbers. i do think there are positive things out here. i do think there are a lot of questions going into 2022 with omicron on the horizon. >> jonathan, you are a big sports fan. i know a lot of us missed sports for a while when shut down in 2022. it wasn't the same watching the nba finals with those fans on those zoom screens there in the bubble at the time.
how important is having sports leagues back in our lives for our mental well being and being able to participate in these events? i know you watch the games from the vip box when you go to stadiums. you are not among crowds. what is it like to be up in the rarified air? >> i watched the final nationals game of the season from the bleachers. out in left field. i can't overstate the degree to which sports are a huge thing for society in terms of people's mental happiness. if we're not obsessed with a sports team, or a program or something, in particular sports they bring people together and it gives them something to root for and be hopeful about. unless you're rooting for the lions who are winless so far in the nfl season you have something to hope for. even in detroit you get perhaps the number one draft pick next year. so it is a big deal and it is
hard to over state the difference between empty arenas and seeing fans in the arenas. last year so many sports didn't have fans. this year i know baseball protocols at the beginning of the year have like 5,000 people in the stadium then 10,000, 15,000, 20,000. it is a big thing. if you look as far as the university of michigan win over ohio state yesterday the big house in michigan over 100,000 people there. a huge community atmosphere and optimism around sports. >> a game they won't forget for a long time. speaking of fans i know they are back in the stands in sporting events. new york, broadway is back action. you talked about that earlier. as a performer what is it like for you to have the energy, to have the crowds back again? are you worried about covid when you step out on the stage or there being an outbreak as a cause of concern for your
performance at all when you're performing? >> such a good question. as you were talking about sports i was thinking about being in a comedy club which is usually smaller than a stadium. >> intimate. >> people are stuck. it is very intimate. people are on top of each other. we're spitting. it was, first of all they shut them all down. we were doing them via zoom which was hell especially with unmuted people screaming at their spouses in the middle of your set. being, hearing laughter live was the most amazing thing. we didn't hear it until may. they are very vigilant at the comedy clubs especially in new york. have you to show a vax card and id. there are no masks but there were for quite sometime. it is really fun to do crowd work when you can't see someone's face or tell if they are laughing or smiling.
so the energy from a live audience is just like sports. my son plays college basketball. it is just being there and feeding off of that energy. it is just so important and those fake people in the stadiums, i couldn't watch the games. what was that with the card board people in the seats? what is that? i just -- that drove me crazy. >> it is the first time we've gone through a pandemic in the modern era so we're still trying to figure it out as we go along. >> true. >> hopefully we don't go back to that. i have to ask you about the olympics because all eyes are turning to the winter olympics. we were just getting over the summer games because of the fact they were delayed. how do you think the winter olympics are going to go? do you think omicron could be a problem?
>> i think everybody is concerned with the pandemic ongoing with variants coming out as well. i think the major concern with the winter olympics in beijing is china frankly as the humanitarian crisis that we're seeing there. we have a tennis player named peng shuai who we don't even actually know if she is properly safe though she has been photographed and videoed and things like that. and joe biden has threatened the possibility of a diplomatic boycott of the games. i think more so than the pandemic risk is the humanitarian risk that comes from supporting an olympics in beijing. >> yes, certainly a valid point as well. thank you very much for joining us. judy, i'll ask you to stick around for one more segment. don't go anywhere. >> okay. >> still ahead tonight marks the first night of hanukah. i'll ask judy gold her plans for celebrating this year. don't go anywhere.
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:. :. you're not sure if jews know how to celebrate christmas? you mean that holiday that gets jammed down our athlete every year? the second halloween ends i can't even buy a cup of coffee that doesn't look like it fell out of santa's [ bleep ]. trust me, jews know how christmas works. it's not like we're going walk into you're christmas party and say oh my god, it's a tree
indoors! call a lumberjack! i don't want a holiday movie where a jewish person learns about christmas. i want a movie where a christian has to learn about hanukkah. on night one we get sox. night two, a notebook. night three, a pen and pencil set. it's a back to school holiday! >> all right. so we started this hour with "the night before christmas" spot where heeding lewis black's warning there and not forgetting about hanukkah this year. tonight marks the first night of hanukkah. jews lit the first candle tonight at sundown. this year it didn't share the spotlight with christmas, but it was nearly thanksgiving -- somewhere in between there. coming just three days after thanksgiving. we welcome back to the show judy gold to mark the celebration i should note. so judy, walk us through this. how are you celebrating hanukkah this year. >> well, he will light the menorah. i didn't do it at sundown.
you're supposed to do it at sundown. i do it a little after because i get my kids on facetime. but we're going to eat llatkes. you know, the story is really it's a military victory, and they rededicated the temple of jerusalem and the maccabees were the ones who fought this military battle and won, and they went in and a candelabra, there was only enough oil for one day. but it lasted for eight days while they went and got some more oil. so naturally, the jews think how can we incorporate this into our food so we eat latkes, which are potato pancakes fried in oil. we eat oily foods, which is fantastic because there are so many doctors who are jews. and we have, you know -- it's ridiculous. but we do it. we eat jelly donuts and latkes. they are so fattening, i can't even tell you.
>> you can't go wrong with either one of those with the fried potatoes or the jelly donuts. >> right. >> hanukkah obviously moves from time to time based on the calendar. it's often caught up with christmas. as we mentioned this year, it's a little closer to thanksgiving. do you have a preference when hanukkah is near christmas or thanksgiving? >> yeah, i'm not -- near thanksgiving, i'm not into that. but can we just discuss that jews love christmas. we wrote all the good christmas songs. hello! i mean, every one of them written by jews, okay? but it's not a major holiday. and the reason it's major is oh, they feel left out. let's make this a big holiday around christmas. i don't really care. people say happy hanukkah all the way through christmas. it's over. it was right after thanksgiving, okay? >> what did you think of lewis
black's take there the daily show's lewis black? he got into our american obsession of christmas and his perspective. >> right. >> and general ignorance of hanukkah. what are people missing? >> you know, it is a story -- yes, we are -- first of all, i love lewis black. he is a gem. he is a gem of the comedy world. >> a national treasure. >> oh, beyond. and what i think people don't understand, they think hanukkah is like oh, the jewish version of christmas. and it's not. we don't have a christmas, okay. that's the whole point. we don't celebrate christmas. but it's a really -- it's a story about miracles and light and it's a very positive holiday. and it's kind of beautiful when the menorah is all lit up. so, you know. >> we can all use a little bit of miracles these days with everything that is going on. >> oh, you're not kidding. >> judy gold, thank you so much for your time.
happy hanukkah to you. >> thank you for having me. >> to you and your entire family. >> thank you, thank you. >> jude city doing a live taping of her pot cast right here in new york city. thank you again. greatly appreciate it. thank you at home for making time for us. next week we're going to be back to our regular schedule of programing. you can catch "ayman" every friday on peacock at 7:00. i'll be back here on msnbc saturday at 8:00, sunday at 9:00. be sure to follow us on twitter and tiktok @aymannbc. until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin. good night. (tiger) this is the dimension of imagination. ♪
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