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hour special hour-long in-depth interview with huma abedin streaming now on peacock. thank you for letting us into your homes. we are grateful. we'll see you next time right here on msnbc. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. happy holidays. we have a big show for you tonight including a special report on covid's economic impact as we look ahead with so many eyeing the end of this pandemic, and my exclusive interview with a music sensation, talking about some of the issues that have been back in the news recently including civil rights and police reform, and his meeting with vice president harris. icon fran leibowitz on "the beat," coming up this hour. we begin now with covid and how to stay safe going towards the holidays, what to expect and how the pandemic may ultimately end according to experts.
vaccines are widely available now for children. booster shots approved for all adults. these are new developments that can curb covid in this ninth inning. but experts are warning about a winter surge and how that correlates with higher risk in areas that have lagging vaccination rates. dr. fauci says everyone's got to do their part. >> this is what will happen when you get to a winter season, when the weather gets cold and people go indoors. it's not rocket science. it's highly predictable. and that's the reason why we've got to get people vaccinated who are not vaccinated, boost the people who are already vaccinated. >> america's doctor saying you don't need to be a doctor, let alone a rocket scientist, to understand that there are other associated risks with gatherings, especially with people indoors in the cold weather. covid will become what it has been all last year, a flashpoint, as long as this pandemic is in our politics and the news. it's also having an interesting
impact on a president who has, according to the experts, handled so many parts of this process better than his predecessor. yet joe biden's approval on covid is around 47%. that's a change, look how much higher it was in june. delta variant, supply chain issues and many other problems have americans feeling down about this stuff even as some parts of the data suggest it's getting better. we now are joined by dr. blackstock and libby casey from "the washington post." welcome to both of you. i will save the polling for libby. but doctor, when you look at the good news mixed with the frustration and the precautions that some people have to take, especially low vaccine areas, with the indoor gatherings, what is most important to keep in mind this season? >> thank you so much for having me on, ari. people have to understand that we are at the beginning of another surge. so we have to use all of those
layers of mitigation that we know actually work quite well. people need to get vaccinated. if you're fully vaccinated and you're eligible to be boosted, get boosted. rapid testing is another underutilized strategy that should be used especially around the holidays when people want to get together with loved ones. traveling itself is not dangerous. it really is what happened at the end, when you arrive there, and you're socializing. so these are the things that people have to think about, that it's possible to socialize safely, especially in a surge, but making sure you're using all the tools in your toolbox to stay safe. >> libby, what do you think about the gap there that we know people previously thought more of biden's covid handling? is that a policy assessment of how he's doing? or a reality assessment of the fact that we're going into another covid thanksgiving -- coming out of a covid
thanksgiving, going into a covid holiday season? >> ari, it's easy to vent in a poll at the person in charge. but the administration really wants to focus on what can be done next and one of those big things is boosters. with this ability now for americans to get that booster shot, which some health experts say might end up being like the third shot, really, in this course of shots that we need to be the healthiest, that that could help with the durability and our ability to get through this winter. as more families are finally able to get their 5-year-olds vaccinated and older, that can also potentially be sort of an elevator, a mood booster this season, something that takes away some of the fear and frustration. we're looking at a way to get the youngest people vaccinated. dr. fauci and other experts are saying that may be the spring of 2022. but all of these developments can move things forward. now, with the biden administration, there is a difficult winter ahead, but the
more that americans can get fully protected with boosters, the better off people will be. there's a false debate going on about boosters or trying to get the unvaccinated vaccinated. but what experts say is that you can do both at once. frankly, you have to be doing both at once, because we are seeing an uptick in hospitalizations in people whose vaccines are waning. >> and libby, take a listen to dr. fauci talking about how the politics have so turned on the science. >> because i am representing science, i get attacked. merely because i'm telling people they need to get vaccinated, merely because i'm telling people they need to wear a mask. we need to take all of this ideological, political nonsense out of the picture and realizing that the writing is on the wall. >> libby? >> well, you look at what's happening in florida, governor
desantis has made it his mission, his cause celebre, to go against everything that dr. fauci and the biden administration are trying to do to protect americans from the pandemic. ironically, 61% of people in florida are vaccinated, that's a little higher than the national average according to the cdc. but desantis has made this his cause, freedom and independence and trying to push against things. he's up for reelection, he's seen as a major contender for the next presidential race representing the republicans. this politicization is something that dr. fauci can't role. the biden administration can't control it. all they can try to do is try to thread the needle through this very difficult situation. ari, a year ago, and i would love to hear dr. blackstock talk about this, a year ago, to compare where we are now, that there are vaccines, and not just that, i can take my 5-year-old to finally get vaccinated last week. i mean, it brought tears to my
eyes because it was like we were finally moving forward as a family here. but just the fact of progress gets lost when we start getting in these fights over the politics of it, which health experts, including people i talked to who work in hospitals, are just so frustrated about, to the point of just sort of being numb to it now. >> doctor? >> yeah, no, i agree. i think it's so incredibly frustrating and disappointing to see how both science and public health measures have been politicized. so we know that in all these strategies, they work together very, very well, and very effectively. but because of the politicization of the pandemic since the very beginning, a piece of cloth, a mask, is seen as a sort of a cultural war. and so what we're seeing is a significant percentage of the population, we need them to get vaccinated, and they're refusing to get vaccinated.
so although we are having progress, we have 5 to 11-year-olds, my 7-year-old was vaccinated recently, and that was very emotional. but at the same time we do have a long way to go. the question is how are we going to get this other 42% of the u.s. population vaccinated? we'll be able to get younger children in a few months. but what about the adults currently eligible to be vaccinated and are still holding out? that's where the vaccine mandates come in. we have the osha vaccine mandate being held up in the appeals court. but i and several other health care professionals penned a letter to businesses really recommending that they voluntarily agree to this osha mandate. the only way that we're going to get through this is if we can get between 80 to 90% of the population vaccinated. and i think mandates are the way to go. >> yeah, and then you go to what does that projected ending look like. doctor, you're a very busy
professional, like libby, i don't know, did you ever used to watch "seinfeld"? >> yeah, back in the day, yeah. >> seinfeld used to always say that sitcoms have to resolve themself in every half hour episode. and he explained that that's because people go to the sitcom to have it happen and end. and he said, you know, if i wanted a long, boring story with seemingly no end, i have my life. and i think that's how people have begun to feel about covid, that something that was at first very scary and completely unpredictable, then it was grinding on, then there were these steps, you mentioned the vaccine progress and others where people, i'm not talking about super uninformed people or some of the fringe extreme politics, but people who just pay some attention, said, oh, okay, great, so it's going to end. and then you still have, here we are going into another holiday season, christmas, new year's, of pandemic. and people want to know how it's going to end. to use the "seinfeld" concept,
they don't want it to be a long story that grinds on forever. i want to play dr. fauci on how you answer that question that hangs over all of us. take a listen to dr. fauci. >> this will end, bill. we are not going to be going through this indefinitely. how quickly we get to the end depends on us. if we can get most of the people who are eligible to be boosted, boosted, we can go a long way to making 2022 much more of a normal year than what we have seen in 2021. >> people feel like they've heard that before. so on this sense, it is the holiday season here, i'm going to ask it this way, which is on the scale of fauci, this could add next year to "seinfeld," you may have the endless, boring story with no end, where are you right now? >> i think it's going to be -- i know this is an unpopular
opinion, people don't want to hear this, i think we're going to be in this for another few years. the reason i say that is i think it's going to be a while before we can get that other 42% of the population vaccinated. we have a lot of holdouts because of the politicization. i also think the other thing we have to think about is that we still have a thousand people dying a day from covid. and so while we've made a lot of progress, there's still a lot of work to be done. and -- >> just to underscore, fauci's saying maybe end of '22. when you say years, you're talking about, say, 2023, your medical view is, we would still be in the throes of some of these problems, these precautions, and certain spikes around the country. >> yeah. i do think so. i think there are definitely going to be regional outbreaks, because there are areas that have very, very low vaccination rates. i think there will be areas with high vaccination rates that will be doing quite well and back to
normal. when you look at the u.s. as a whole, i think it will be a while before everything gets back to normal because we have a very highly contagious variant, the delta variant that's still out there. we had 100,000 cases just yesterday of covid. and so, you know, thinking about how long it's going to take, yeah, we may be wearing masks until the end of next year, and maybe early 2023. but i think the question is, how much is acceptable level of death, how much are we going to take. and i urge the biden administration to take as many precautions as they can, to push that osha vaccine mandate through. we only have seven states that are -- that have indoor mask mandates. you know, i mean, we really need to be following those public health measures that work well. i think if we can do that, we can save lives, and the end of this will be nearer in sight. >> what you just said in your medical opinion is a huge bummer. but around here, doctor, we don't blame the messenger, we
welcome the messenger, and then we can all think about the message and the facts and what if anything people want to do about it. happy holidays with the doctor telling you buckle up for a whole lot longer and less people are really vigilant. i want to thank dr. blackstock and our reporter here on the block, libby, thanks to both of you. >> ari, i want to just say, one thing the biden administration can do, what do they think the end looks like. because a lot of us are trying to figure out what does that mean for my community or my children or my elderly parents. maybe part of the conversation for the new year will be, what does the end look like, does it go out with a bang or a "seinfeld" whimper. >> definitely not a show about nothing. thank you to both of you. coming up, fran leibowitz and our special report on the future of pandemic economics. later, we get into police reform and vice president harris with a
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the january 6th probe has been heating up. former trump adviser steve bannon is refusing to cooperate with the house investigation in any way. the insurrection has of course been a huge part of the political divide this year. it's one of the topics we tackle in our discussion with the great writer and humorist fran leibowitz. you famously said there are things that you just don't trust
or aren't that interested in for the way they're presented in american culture. so we have some older stuff. here is, back in the day, you talking about the news and its limitations. take a look. >> why don't you like television news, since everybody seems to? >> it's not just tv. i don't like newspapers either. i don't like news. it's not tv news i don't like. it never tells you anything important. >> it doesn't? >> no. i think if something really important happened, my mother would call. [ laughter ] the news is never about the things people want to know about. >> news is never about the things people really want to know about. still true? >> umm, no. and really it wasn't that true then. although it was true i thought that. >> i thought that then and now you think that younger you was incorrect? >> i was incorrect. of course i'm looking, if you look at, you know, yourself from like a hundred years ago, all you can think of is, is that me?
you know, i don't know what year -- that was probably the late '70s. so there are eras, you know, where -- >> '78. >> okay. that's late '70s. >> no, i'm confirming for you. i'm doing that news thing. it's annoying. >> i see. there are errors where the news is more important than others or, you know, unfortunately lately, in the last several years, the news has been unduly important, okay? so i would prefer, and i'm sure i'm not alone in this, to not, you know, have to be on the news 24 hours a day. since the last presidential election, i pay less attention to the news than i was compelled to pay for five years. so that if -- i know there are people who are just, you know, on the news all the time, interested in the news all the time. but when the news is horrible by the minute, and also threatening by the minute, i would guess that the periods when people pay
the most attention to the news are the worst periods in history. >> one of the most-watched news days ever was january 6th. >> i'm sure. >> which was a horrific day for the nation. >> at first, i was in my living room reading, and a friend called me and said -- i have a friend who has the television on 24 hours a day -- called and said, the capitol, i didn't know what was talking about, people are allowed in the capitol, what do you mean they're going to the capitol? it was one of the most shocking things i've ever seen in my life. and there was no aspect to it that wasn't shocking. but to me, to see the confederate flag in the capitol was stomach-churning. it was horrible. horrible. and of course now, as you're aware, of course, the republicans are like this didn't happen or this was something
else, this was a new year's eve party, these were actually lefties. it was horrible. and the fact that they refuse to investigate it, you know, it's always been interesting to me that, you know, shameful and shameless mean almost the same thing. so these people are shameful and shameless. they just don't care. mitch mcconnell probably knew when he made that speech about how the president was responsible for this, and two minutes later the president was not responsible, he knew that people were going to put those side by side. he didn't care. they don't care. they care about nothing except retaining their power that they have at the moment. they don't care about anything else. even like trying to keep people from voting. they're basically saying we're trying to keep certain people from voting because if we don't, we can never win.
even trump said that, republicans can never win if everyone is allowed to vote. i don't know what to say about it that anyone else hasn't said about it. that was one of the most shocking things i've ever seen, okay? and i've seen numerous shocking things. i'm not the young girl you saw in that clip. and i don't think i would ever not have that picture in my mind. that guy who put his feet on nancy pelosi's desk? this is an image -- you're not old enough, but the second i saw that, something came to my mind, when i was a teenager, there were, you know, all these protests at columbia university. and sds, students for democratic action -- >> society. >> society, they had a big strike at columbia and broke into the president's who was and there was a guy who had a picture of himself taken with his feet on the desk of the president, smoking a cigar. he was older than me. so i was a teenager. and even as a young teenager, i
looked at that picture and i thought, you jerk. you're a clown. that's like the stupidest thing. when i saw that guy with his feet on the desk of nancy pelosi, i thought the same thing, you're a clown. this guy was in his 50s, it looked like to me. he said, this is my desk. first of all, not only is this not your desk, i'm guessing your not a desk guy. i'm guessing the last time you had a desk, you were in detention in junior high school. it was incredibly angry. and i think that's why he did that. he had the same attitude as the teenager. it's a teenage thing. a lot of this stuff is adolescent, except that they're not kids, and they have guns, and they're allowed to vote. and so they're very dangerous in a way that teenagers are generally not very dangerous. >> and do you see that in the current moment as overrepresented by largely male
and often white male movement that is terrified of losing its station, its historical position? >> yes, of course that's what it is. it's fear. you know, i mean these people in general are the most fearful people i've ever heard of in my life. this thing with guns, every time you see them on the news or whatever or read in the paper, they're saying, i am entitled to defend myself, i'm entitled to defend my family. and i think, who's after you? i lived alone in new york city, you know, as a 21-year-old girl, you know, in an apartment that -- forget about a doorman, didn't even have an intercom system, okay? new york was incredibly dangerous then. it never occurred to me to get a gun. i wasn't that scared. i wasn't scared enough to get a gun. i would never even have thought of a gun. >> you were scared enough to pay more to live in the village. >> yes, but not scared enough to have a gun. to me, truthfully, a gun is a stupid thing. it's just a sign of stupidity.
it's a stupid thing. >> writers do have a way with words. that was some of the serious stuff. we also had fun discussing leibowitz's friendship and work with scorsese. here are a few of those highlights. >> new york. >> that's too broad a question, i'm sorry. new york, what? >> new york city. >> yes, new york. yes. that's my answer. >> martin scorsese. >> yes. all the things that, you know, brought me here today were all the things i was punished for my entire childhood. francis asks too much questions. francis speaks out of turn. >> what did driving a cab teach you? >> books i have deep reverence for. >> your next book will come out if -- >> if i write it. i hope i didn't give the impression that i have a lot of unpublished work. i don't. the truth is very rarely positive. >> you seem constitutionally
negative. >> they would say your covid test is negative, and i would say, i know that. being judgmental to me just means i have standards. >> that's just some of my extensive conversation with fran. it's part of our summit series on "the beat" where we talk with leaders at the summits of their fields. i encourage you to check out the entire conversation on youtube. you can look it up on youtube, just search for "melber fran." you can find some of our other online exclusives that we try to share with you. we have in-depth interviews, culture, and other stuff. again, thanks to fran for that special conversation. coming up, i want to share with you our look ahead at how covid is affecting the job market, the economy, and specifically as people gather for the holidays, the younger generation. what do students and people in their 20s and 30s do with how their lives have been upended by this pandemic.
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turning to our special report this evening, the economic and cultural impact of covid on this younger generation and how american society will face this for years to come. it's also worth taking stock of how this has affected what might come to be known as the pandemic generation. now, this is not a competition. everyone knows certain groups did not pay the most with their lives if they were under, as i said earlier, under a vow. but as a democratic fact, this crisis is hitting young people in their particularly formative years, upending not only of course their social lives as those media reports emphasized, but learning and developing and deciding on life and career goals that may shape decades ahead in their lives. while older americans are more likely to be in long term
relationships or family units, many people under 25 are likely to have braved a lot of this alone while being told to avoid people, which right out of the gate raises a particular challenge for these young people's outlook and health and mental health. >> stress kept filing on. >> i was kind of upset and depressed in the middle of quarantine. >> what i'm experienced to do no longer pertains to the world we're living in right now. >> the opportunities are not there. >> isolation. depression. anxiety. mental health crises courtesy of a college experience stripped almost entirely of campus life, tradition, and structure, on top of a pandemic. >> i do know three people that have taken their life the past few months just because of the situation. >> it's crippling. so i'm going through this quarantine alone. >> for america to rebound, this pandemic generation needs to rebound after not only the upheaval of a once in a century
type challenge, but also, it turns out, after larger systemic problems that were already hitting young people in america more than past generations. >> 95% of baby boomers did better than their parents. it's now just a coin to say for millenials. we have a real crisis in our country. >> a ticking time bomb for our economy. >> by the time when the middle class is disappearing. >> 33%, one in three, 25 to 29-year-olds live with their parents or grandparents. >> fewer millenials are entering the middle class than previous generations. >> this is not about whether these younger people work hard. this is about what work is available. so generation pandemic already had this uphill battle before the pandemic, which also hit these young people harder. younger people are more likely to work at in-person jobs, which of course have been hit. at one point up to a quarter of them were unemployed. that is a rate of job loss that
at its peak was worse than older workers. people under 25, twice as likely to be without work because of covid than every other adult group. the majority of young americans report regular feelings of anxiety about all this financial stuff. younger people more vulnerable to housing instability and over one out of ten adults have lost homes. one out of five falling behind on rent or mortgage payments. this is a tough picture. facing a virus that mostly kills the elderly. it is still logical that many policies put them first. this virus was a stress test of our government, our politics, our society, our collaboration, our collective empathy. we needed a majority to prize empathy and safety for a virus that primarily killed senior, which means if you weren't a senior, you had to do things empathically for other people. as we turn towards renewal in the years ahead, we also need empathy for a situation that as you've seen tonight is measurably harder in some ways on young people who have less in
the bank to handle this, who may take longer to rebound than mid-career people with homes and savings. yet we need young people to continue this grand experiment. in fact it goes even broader than that. many are taught to respect our elders because of their experience and their earned station in life, which is good counsel. but we should also remember to listen to younger people. if for no other reason that they are the ones with the ability to see anew because experience is good but it also brings us limits in what we are able to see. and that's got to be true for building this world ahead of us with so many things changing. it's a point that's actually been made throughout our history by some of our younger presidents who reflected on some of their even younger supporters. and it might be easy to forget now, but back then, when he was a first term senator, barack obama trailed his rival by a lot when he made his first bid to run for president. at the time it was
well-documented, many older voters initially thought obama could not win or it wasn't his time yet. and then that began to shift. with who? with young voters. they immediately saw something that many of the rest of us didn't. and then they did more. they prodded their parents and others to join them. how do we know? there was polling, there were stories, there was reporting. but it was a big enough deal that it is something the newly-elected president, barack obama, reflected on publicly when he trotted out on inauguration night, on that big night, to what was then called the youth ball, to share how he knew that and what it meant for the future. so on this journey tonight, thinking about this set of generations and the youth, he gets the last word. >> young people everywhere are
in the process of imagining something different than what has come before. [ cheers and applause ] where they imagine bigotry, they imagine togetherness. where there is disease, they imagine a public health system. i can't tell you how many people have come up to michelle and myself and said, you know, i was kind of skeptical, but then my daughter, she wouldn't budge. she just told me, i needed to vote for obama. and so a new generation inspired previous generations. and that's how change happens in america. [ cheers and applause ] coming up next we are joined by a global music sensation. his name is lil baby. his music is popular among all
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2020. debates over policing, civil rights, and racism. the hip-hop artist lil baby released one of the most streamed, most listened to black lives matter songs of this era. it went double platinum over the summer. i sat down with him. this is his first national tv news interview basically ever to discuss these issues. we discussed many topics, including what inspired him to write that political song. >> by the time everything going on, baby don't say nothing. i'm a rapper. it's simpler to rap it than to type it. >> you speak through your art. >> yeah, people like me, i ain't posting. it don't work like that, like, because i really feel some type of way about the whole situation so i'm not going to be like a george floyd advocate only.
it's like deeper than that with me. i personally know people who were killed by police. george floyd, in the time, we're about that situation, i took upon myself to just speak on the whole thing. >> can i just read a couple of lines from you? >> yeah. >> you say, every video i see on my conscience i got power now i got to say something. corrupt policemen the problem where i'm from but i be lying if i said it was all of them. >> right. >> why was it important to you to also speak to the nuance, the gray, because you know everybody knows a lot of these things sometimes, they become just completely one-sided or black and white. you're going out of your way to say this police brutality is wrong and then you say it's not all of them. >> right. because i been through the
system. it ain't all of them. you can have a group of six, four minute cool, the other two might be like, brotherhood or whatever they got to go but they really don't be all of them. it's like anything, not everybody going to be bad, with anything. some people got good hearts. and some people, police, they're ain't the ones. but some people are just being like i'm going to [ muted ] police period and i'm not like that because they're there for a reason. >> you said with the floyd family you went to the white house. you talked to vice president harris. >> right. >> how did that go? >> it went perfect, actually. and i just was going just to go. i didn't go to talk to nobody. but it was like a chance i wasn't going to turn down. and i turn down a lot of stuff.
>> i bet. >> go to the white house, i'm like, yeah. >> you're going to do that. >> like, definitely. >> you're very humble about it but you're not flexing on it. >> right. >> what did you think of vice president harris? she's the first woman of color to ever be at that level in the white house. >> she is an amazing woman. you're thinking a president and everything from being young, because like you seen on tv. it's like a myth, it's on news. but like me being a big rapper, everybody, regular people. so i'm saying now i'm a regular person and she talks like a regular person. everybody is regular people. we're having a regular conversation. there was a lady in the white house, setting the table, she was like, how did you get here, how did you get in here? i didn't try to reach out to you six, seven times, so you could come to the white house. several times, you was like, you
ain't trying to be no politician. >> is there anything you've learned on this recent journey, the last four years, that you wish you knew when you started? >> everything. i come from what they call a trip. and it's really a trap. that's why they call it a trip. like, you be trapped, you know a lot of stuff, you know what goes on inside the trap. these four years i been outside the trap. now i'm in the world. if i knew any of this a long time ago. >> you can find the entire exclusive interview on youtube, just search "melber and lil babiy." we spent time in his studio. coming up, what do bill gates, sharon stone, and j balvin have in common? they're part of our special series on "the beat."
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now on "the beat" we turn to something we think is pretty special, sharing some of the extra conversation we've had with leaders we top of their fields in culture, technology, and business. people like bill gates reflecting on so many of the issues that they tackle in their own business and world, like the rise of misinformation, issues with vaccines, health care inequities. take a look. >> both myself and dr. fauci have featured in conspiracy theories. one says that dr. fauci is trying to make money off of these vaccines and various negative things about me. you know, there you're encouraging people not to trust the advice on masks or taking the vaccine. and that could be damaging. it's a new phenomenon. i don't know, will it hurt the
vaccine uptake? it's a completely unexpected phenomenon. and sadly, a lot of it's based on false information. >> health care in many ways is the original fake news. i think that this country really needs to invest in scientific education. people are so confused about vaccines and autism when it's been refuted so many times, how safe those vaccines are, and that they are not associated with autism. when i look at those numbers about vaccine hesitancy today, to me that is illustrative of a lack of scientific knowledge and a lack of trust of the health care system. >> it's pretty stunning that the infection rate and death rate in minorities has been over twice as high. sadly, i'm not stunned with the idea that the inner city schools were the least prepared with internet connections and
training in order to do online education. and so the gap between the suburban schools and the inner city schools, which was already very large and a terrible inequity, it's been more dramatic in this in the last year than ever and so we've got to reinvest in the schools. >> how covid almost killed me and kind of really hit me so hard i'm like i don't want to get this again. i'm concerned about my conscious because we don't have the whole access to see young people that were the healthiest and they die from covid, you know, and they were way healthier than me. >> yeah. >> we just heard from people who have large platforms or followings including jay trying to take that influence to spread some of these important messages about humanity and facts. i've also discussed issues with
other music icons i bet you know, people like john bon jovi and cheryl crow who talked about their approach to both art and social values. >> my first record was banned at walmart because we wrote -- i wrote about guns. the people at walmart to my record label proposed if i changed the lyric to a different discount center they would carry it. i knew there was no way i was going to wake up in the morning and face myself and feel okay about having done the deed. i've had the opportunity and to be honest, the good fortune to have had several of these experiences throughout my career and i can only say i'm still here and i'm still writing. >> i just want to read from american reckoning and hear from you about what you're telling us. you said damn the long eight minutes face down on the ground and pleas for mercy, when did a
judge and jury become a badge and a knee? tell us about that song. >> when you're a witness to history and you're talking about something that happened in the day in age in which you're living, you better get it right. it is america's reckoning. this time black lives matter movement is really taking ahold around the globe. you saw the reaction in the streets worldwide. >> someone that i got to sit down with that is known to just about everyone in america is the actress sharon stone. we discussed many things including her views on winning awards while facing down america and hollywood. it's a theme we heard from many people we talked to in the arts trying to deal with the world the way it is. take clive davis one of the music executives out there and how he worked with a young p. diddy to change the industry they're in and try to drive rap
into the mainstream culture. >> he was i think 21 at the time. he was an executive that worked at uptown records. he was not famous and he said you've got to admit not me personally but you got to help me get to admit hip-hop. most people never thought that rap would dominate top 20 or even be prominent in main stream pop top 40 and i bought into that vision. we didn't cross over. we did get top 40. >> the winner is sharon stone for "casino." >> and no one is more surprised than me. it's -- okay, it's a miracle. [ laughter ]
it's so touching to see that. it meant everything to me. i mean, i -- that's so touching. i'm not the person people pick. i'm the dark of darkest horses and i kind of didn't know what was going on and tom hanks grabbed me by the arms and went you deserve this, and they want a good show. don't cry. and i went oh, wait. >> he said don't cry? >> yeah. >> why? >> because they want a good show. you deserve this, like, go get it. >> you deserve this. powerful moment there shared by sharon stone. now i want to make sure you understand here as i mentioned all of these are part of the interview series, which is that mavericks program i told you about and something new that we launched during pandemic. the summit series. so we really think this is a chance to use this tv show, this community that we have with you "the beat" viewers to go deeper because many interviews as you
can see are taped when i sit down with people and we have these longer conversations and air some of it and the rest is online for anyone to see any time for free. you don't need a cable news subscription. with that in mind, take a look at more highlights. >> i know music is the way i can connect on a different way with the people. >> do not succumb to fads and fashions unless you're true to who you are. it's not going to resonate. >> it's the moments where i stood up and spoke my truth that i will forever be proud of. >> doubt can't exist in a creative mind. >> do you see yourself as a motivational speaker? >> no. i just speak and i'm motivational. [ laughter ] >> i have a little rap here for you. >> you have a rap? >> i could have been a zooman but i wanted to be in the rooman. >> in an order of sentence, your microwave dinners we heard about. >> very dry.
[ laughter ] >> being judge mental to me means i have standards. >> the world changes because of people. massive societals change is 100% possible but it comes because of you. >> those are just some highlights from these in-depth conversations with leaders in their fields and cultural icons. you can watch them now at msnbc's youtube channel and watch the playlist conversations with ari, the link will be pin there had at the top of the twitter page so we want you to be able to find all of this if you're interested. thanks if r joining us on this special edition of "the beat." happy holidays and i'll see you back here on monday. y holidays back here on monday. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair.
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♪♪ ♪♪ good evening, evening. welcome to a special edition of "the reidout." we'll introduce you to the most compelling people of 2021. white house reporter jonathan karl on the sick and twisted world of donald trump, which carl writes about in his new book. >> okay, so he's talking about how awful all these republicans were that betrayed him if mike pence had more courage and did what he wanted to do he would be a president still and the terrible things bill barr and mccarthy and