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♪ i remember when you were here ♪ that's mommy! ♪ and all the fun we had last year ♪ watch the full story at www.xfinity.com/sing2 good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we begin this hour with major breaking news. the u.s. has just announced it will restrict travel from eight african nations starting on monday. it comes amid the discovery of the omicron variant of the coronavirus, triggering many countries from europe and the middle east and asia to also hit
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pause on travel from about a half dozen nations in south africa. and now, add the united states to that list. the ripple effect is being felt, the stock market is down 900 points from the open. the world health organization has confirmed this variant is highly transmissible. but it is also urging caution on travel bans. let's get right to nbc's josh lederman in nantucket where the president is for the holiday. we also have msnbc medical contributor dr. vin gupta. also the host of npr's "full disclosure," robin farzad. josh, i asked you in the last hour whether the president would move to strict travel and you said you hadn't heard anything. sounds like he was listening. >> reporter: that's right, katy. the white house wanted to wait
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until the variant was designated of concern by the w.h.o. and that's now occurred. the white house is acting on the advice of the president's chief medical adviser dr. anthony fauci as well as the cdc in now putting into place these restrictions which will occur beginning on monday. in addition to south africa, there will be seven other countries that are subject to these new travel restrictions. i'll read them you to. it's botswana, zimbabwe, mows a.m. mozambique, and malawi, as scientists try to learn more about this covid-19 variant circulating in southern africa. now that it's been labeled a variant of concern, they feel comfortable taking this step. this policy will not apply to american citizens and lawful permanent residents, they will
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still be able to travel to the u.s. from those countries if need be. however, they are still going to have to get a negative covid test, which is the policy across the board for international travelers to the united states at this point in time. and in doing this, katy, the u.s. is now joining more than a dozen countries, including the united kingdom as well as other countries in europe that are going ahead and putting these travel restrictions in place even as they're trying to learn more about this variant, its transmissibility, whether it's actually more dangerous for people, as well as what the immune response is going to be, whether these vaccines are going to work against this new variant. but the administration not wanting to leave anything to chance. they want to be guided by the science and by the w.h.o.'s recommendations. they say they are in close contact with authorities in south africa, who are currently learning more about this variant, and adjusting their policy as they learn more hour by hour about this new variant,
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katy. >> aren't they leaving some of it to chance, josh, when they say they won't impose the new travel restriction until monday? that gives the entire weekend to get out of there and come here. and last time we had a delay between the ban and the imposition of it, there was a flood of people that came through. >> reporter: well, that's true. but the flip side of this is, it's not the kind of thing that you can turn a light switch on and off instantly. it's going to take a few days for them to get these policies rolled out to try to train and brief officials at various airports and other ports of entry across the country on how to implement this policy, who is subject to it, who is not, what to do if people show up from these countries that are not admissible to the country as a result of these restrictions. and so the white house felt like they needed to take the weekend to be able to put this policy into place without causing the kinds of unintended consequences, stranded travelers and other things that could occur if they simply made it
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instantaneous. >> dr. gupta, this variant, though, has already been detected in europe and belgium. it's been detected in israel. it's also been detected in hong kong. is it just -- is the cat already out of the bag with this? >> i think so, katy. i think it's a safe assumption that this variant is already here in the united states, which is why this emphasis on bans, it's good optics but ultimately is it going to really save us if this variant becomes as concerning as we fear it may be. i don't think the solution here is bans. let's focus on what we know for all your viewers out there because i know there's a lot of fear and anxiety right now. right now, what we're seeing is signals out of south africa specifically that it appears this variant struck younger, primarily unvaccinated people in south africa. those who ended up previously having infection. were they more likely to get reinfected? yes, we're getting that signal. we aren't seeing a sense that if
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you're vaccinated, that you're any more likely to end up in the hospital, which is a very good thing. this is a variant that appears to behave with some similarity to other variants in the past, the lambda and beta variants, we haven't talked a lot about those. viewers may wonder what we're talking about. these are variants that in part arose in places like south africa in the past. they didn't become the dominant strain. they were not worldwide transmissible. and two doses of the vaccine, katy, important, still kept people out of the hospital to the tune of 97% effective against severe illness. it's important to remain calm and to recognize that we have great therapeutics and vaccines and that we'll learn more in the weeks ahead, specifically regarding vaccine effectiveness. there's a lot of reasons to remain calm right now. >> that's a good point, we do have therapeutics or therapeutics are on the way for treating covid. also south africa, we should mention, has a very low rate of vaccination. i believe it's somewhere around 24% of people that have been vaccinated in that country.
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dr. gupta, is there a way to figure out if this is variant is more transmissible or more contagious or gets past the vaccines that we currently have? is there a way to do that without just waiting to see? are there tests that can be done in a lab? >> they're happening as we speak right now. katy, we expect moderna and pfizer and biontech are doing those studies right now. it takes about two weeks. so the lab-based studies will know to what degree do the antibodies that are produced by our body as a result of getting vaccinated, to have been degree are they impacted in terms of the ability to fight off this variant. we'll know that in ten to 14 days. we'll go to more and more data points. this appears to be impacting those that run vaccinated and primarily those that are younger who are unvaccinated, because those that are older are tending to get more vaccinated in places like south africa where, to your
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point, overall vaccine rates are still quite low. >> part of the problem is we live in a globalized world, it's easy to travel and to move goods between nations. >> that's right. having said that, you don't see a tremendous amount of travel from sub-saharan africa to the united states. paris and london are bigger concerns, especially to and from south africa. you look at places like lagos, nigeria. yes, there's a tremendous amount of covid theater going on. yes, on the one hand you don't want to be alarmist, you've seen various different greek letter variants coming out. do you want to shut down international travel and commerce if that happens? if you don't, like you said earlier, is it too late if we wait by two or three or four days? it still boils down to the vaccination. what's sad about this today, and markets looking at it this way, we set something like 55 records in the stock market this year
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and people are so eager to get out of this 2020-'21 malaise. there's this kind of sobriety, gosh, this will last until 2022, and people are so sick of it, especially in risk markets. >> there is this idea that this has got to be coming to an end soon and you hear about these variants and it feels like you're punched in the gut all over again. part of the issue is the vaccine distribution has not gone everywhere. the wealthy nations have a ton of vaccine. poorer nations don't have a lot of vaccine. south africa right now is trying to manufacture its own version of the moderna vaccine. they're copying it right now, because moderna hasn't given them access to do it -- or given them full authorization, they're not even shipping the vaccine there. is part of the issue that we as wealthy nations and the companies that are doing this aren't doing enough to make sure that everybody in the world has their vaccinations quickly? the only way to get rid of this
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is to get everybody vaccinated, because of how globalized we are. >> particularly when it feels as though you can't seem to give away vaccines or boosters in certain states in the united states. there seems to be a period of surplus right after this appearance, i have my date with moderna part 3, if you will. and there's part of me that feels awful. you listen to these things, there are flare-ups in the developing world, in germany, in the uk, in regions that have been kind of anti-vaxx, decidedly. in mississippi, in arkansas, in other states, you can track this. there's element at some point of self-determination and individual responsibility. i think the united states can do more. france can do more. germany can do more, about exporting vaccines. but this ultimately comes down to choice and free will and an alarming number of people are choosing to go without the vaccine. >> let's talk about the boosters. if you're not getting the vaccine at this point, the requirements will push you to
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get it or you're just not going to get it. then i have a question about whether you'll be willing to get the therapeutics unless you're super sick and at that point it might not be worth it. if you're going to go out and get a booster, does it matter if you're getting a different booster to the shot that you got initially? if you got pfizer initially, does it matter if you get moderna? >> katy, ultimately probably not. i will say i got two doses of pfizer early on, and then i got moderna as my third shot. it's important to know that the data on mixing and matching brands suggests that the body likes the good confusion of it, that the antibodies the body produces with brand switching are quite high and it's very safe to do so. having said that, the devil is in the details here. that third dose of pfizer, that boost, is a full dose.
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it's the same as dose 1 and dose 2 for pfizer. the third dose of moderna for the general population is a half dose. nobody has studied the difference between the full shot of pfizer and the half dose of moderna. if you got two shots of pfizer up front, it's probably no difference whether you got the half dose of moderna as that third shot or that third additional shot of pfizer because that hasn't been studied yet. it doesn't really matter. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. josh lederman, vin gupta, robin farzad, thank you so much and happy holidays to you. it's crunch time on capitol hill, leaving democrats a finite amount of time to pass the president's spending bill and stop a government shutdown and lift the debt ceiling. and even more than that. also ahead, steve bannon throws the house january 6th committee a new curveball after being indicted on contempt charges earlier this month. why he is now asking that his
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as we round the corner on thanksgiving break, congress faces a december full of deadlines. december 3rd to fund the government. december 15th to agree on the debt ceiling. christmas to pass build back better, or at least that's what the white house wants. and finally, december 31st on military spending. joining me now is nbc news senior congressional correspondent garrett haake and punchbowl news founder and msnbc political contributor jake sherman. guys, good to see you. garrett, that's a lot to do. >> yes, it is, katy. and they're going to have to start with government funding. that's got the shortest deadline and is probably the simplest thing to solve, at least in the short term. you can do that graphic again in
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a week, you might just move that deadline back to later in december because that's what's probably most likely to happen here. it doesn't seem like the two parties are particularly close to a longer term funding deal. so they're liable to do what they do best, which is extend the deadline here a little bit, punt, essentially, to later in the month, and give themselves a few more weeks to figure that out while they deal with everything else. >> again, jake, it is a lot to do. what are the chances that they're going to get it all done on time and we won't see another continuing resolution? >> zero is my guess. i'm looking to a lot of standing around with garrett over the next couple of weeks, always a pleasure. >> jake, you're looking forward to standing in hallways? i love that you love your job. >> it's a blast, katy. >> garrett and i, you would think we would run out of things to talk about, but we don't. >> not yet. >> this would be a lot to do over six months. congress is being forced to do this over four weeks.
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and i would have to imagine, garrett is right, this will get punted. i think the most aggressive of this is the end of the month, the build back better soft deadline, it doesn't need to be completed by the end of the month. we have to imagine democrats will push hard. but they are nowhere on this large social spending package which is a bear to get through. we saw the tight margins in the house. remember, this has to get through the senate first, then it has to go back to the house and get through the house again. and we're talking about a period over three weeks. it will take one week just to get it through the senate once they have an agreement. so a lot to do. >> so garrett, when it goes to the senate, it's likely not going to look the same as what was passed in the house, the build back better plan. i know nancy pelosi put in paid leave at the last second. a month of paid family leave that goes for parents and also goes for anyone taking care of a family member. if joe manchin takes that out, is it still likely that it passes through the house? >> i think so, when we get to that point. look, i'm less bearish on this
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than is jake. i don't think they're nowhere. i do think they're about to enter joe manchin's living room for the next month, basically. and what he says is going to be what goes in this bill. pelosi is jammed here a little bit. along the way, manchin i think had hoped to have company in being opposed to the paid family leave provisions, wanting to leave that out, do it in some future bill. by putting it in the house version and getting every house democrat to vote for it but one, now it will be joe manchin to be the grinch if he chooses to do so. that will be a tough call for him. but i think the reality, if this bill does make it through the senate, does make it through joe manchin's stripping elements out of it including potentially that, and make it back to the house, you're talking about something that is too big to fail for democrats and too close to the finish line to fall apart then. i think the house will ultimately have to pass whatever joe manchin's version of the build back better bill ends up being whenever they get it. could be next year. >> jake, they're fighting over money, they're fighting over a
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lot of money in the build back better plan. there's also a lot of money in the ndaa which is also -- any discussion about, i don't know, is anyone in congress threatening on holding up the ndaa or pulling money out of that to pay for this? >> no, of course not. but the ndaa has passed every year for the last 60 years. this is a massive piece of legislation that doesn't only control spending but controls military policy. and i have to imagine, as this has unfolded the last couple of weeks, it will include fights over china, afghanistan, treatment of women in the draft. i mean there's just a whole raft of issues here that is caught up in the ndaa. but again, katy, like all of these things take days and days and days on the floor of the senate. and we don't have many days. we're about to enter the last month of the year. and i know garrett seems a little bit more bullish than i do, but any misstep here could push any of these individual
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as former president trump continues to fight requests for documents from the january 6th committee, his former adviser is taking a very different approach. steve bannon, who earlier this month pleaded not guilty to charges of contempt of congress and who is still refusing to comply with the panel's subpoenas, has filed a motion requesting all court documents be made public. that's according to "the washington post." bannon's legal team is opposing what is considered a standard procedure in the u.s. district court which prevents both the prosecution and the defense from
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releasing documents of evidence publicly. the prosecutor in the case said there are less than 20 documents to hand over. joining me now is political legal affairs reporter kyle cheney and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst cynthia alksne. cynthia, these are not the documents that steve bannon is refusing to hand over, not the documents that are subpoenaed by the january 6th committee. so is this just to get some attention? what's the point of this? >> it's just -- i mean, the guy is a chaos candidate. that's basically what he said he's going to do, just try to create chaos. the justice department has a standard procedure so he instantly wants to oppose it. i say, great, no problem. now suddenly since you're mr. let's be open, you can tell us what you were doing at the willard or maybe you can tell us if you were talking on a burner phone or maybe you can tell us who you were texting that day and what it said and how much money you raised and what plans you made. all you have to do is call his
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bluff and say, fine, we're happy to release them and it will highlight that he's continuing to hide everything possible, to cover up this miscarriage of justice, this attempt to overturn the american election. >> kyle, how much is the january 6th committee actually need documents from steve bannon? if he goes to jail over this, if he does get convicted and goes to jail over this, he doesn't have to turn anything over. >> right. i think at this point they're probably resigned to never actually getting cooperation from steve bannon. what they're more encouraged by is the fact that the justice department charged him at all, the fact that they did that may be a warning shot to other witnesses thinking of going down the same path, that you do this, you could end up in prison or at least charged with a federal crime. bannon may be a lost cause potentially, but the other witnesses may not want to risk what's going on with him. >> kyle, what about the other subpoenas that came out this week, the oath keepers and the proud boys? when the january 6th committee is looking directly at those
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persons, people, do they have anybody in particular that they think might be a linchpin for their investigation? >> well, we know that the justice department has charged dozens of members of the proud boys and oath keepers, some pretty high level, with conspiracy charges. some of the most egregious charges brought in the entire investigation. i think what the committee wants to do is try to connect this domestic extremism with whatever was going on at the white house. they want to see that these people take their cues directly from what donald trump was doing. and in the most extreme example would be is there any connection between these groups and the white house. but even short of that, did these groups follow along with what donald trump was saying and doing and at least believe he was instructing them to do what they did. >> cynthia, the 6th committee still wants to get at the president. the president is still stonewalling. he's going to an appeals court saying this is all going to hurt the presidency. what is the expected outcome from that? >> the likely outcome is a
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snicker and a giggle that he suddenly cares about the presidency given that he didn't care so much about it when he was president. and i think they will go ahead and release the documents. then the question is what happens next. can he get it appealed to the supreme court and stall it? let me say, the january 6th committee has a lot of other things they can be doing. there are reports this week about the burner phones that were purchased and the burner phone organizers who used those burner phones were speaking to people in the white house. those documents and the information about who was talking to whom in the white house is discoverable by going through the phone companies. even if you buy a burner phone, if they can figure out what the numbers are, they can track that path even though it's a burner. so there are lots of things for them to do. for example, there's also the proud boys went into the capitol in this very strange window. most of the windows in the capitol are protected and supported and you can't get through them, and they ran past many of those and ended up in
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these unsupported windows. and we need to find out how they knew which windows were unsupported. >> that is a really good question right there. cynthia alksne and kyle cheney, thank you, we'll continue to have this conversation. a legislative loophole allows the michigan republican party to pass a law without the support of the michigan governor and most voters, the latest example of republicans looking to change the rules out of donald trump's 2020 loss. nbc's heidi przybyla has the story. >> reporter: michigan republicans may be about to muscle through tighter election laws without the support of most michigan voters. they're doing it with a petition drive. one that requires signatures from fewer than 4% of all registered voters in the state. jamie rowe is spokesman for secure michigan vote. >> our petition drive is
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designed to make changes to what michigan election law that restores faith in both sides in the outcome of the election. >> reporter: because of a quicker in the law, the gop-led legislature can circumvent michigan governor gretchen wilmer. some elections experts believe it would have a chilling effect on voter participation. >> i really think a lot of people will not choose to exercise their right to vote absentee in michigan. that concerns me. >> reporter: terence davis believes the petition is only happening because of donald trump's false claims there was voter fraud in the 2020 election. >> how do you win ohio by so much record numbers and lose michigan? >> the only reason that this petition is being put forward is because republicans lost the election and we know that there was no fraud in michigan. and they want to suppress the vote. >> reporter: democrats are
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organizing their own decline to sign campaign that includes a major canvassing effort. >> understand that it's really making voting more difficult. so we're asking people to decline to sign. >> reporter: democrats' claims the drive will depress minority and absentee voters are, quote, ridiculous, says rowe. >> the fact of the matter is you have to show your i.d. to by a 12-pack of beer. there's nothing wrong with having to show an i.d. to vote. >> reporter: what's happening in michigan is a slice of new voting restrictions enacted by gop-led legislatures. for voters like davis who remembers voting discrimination in the south before the 1965 civil rights act, the issue is personal. >> it really makes me angry. i was born in the '40s. i've seen people go through -- come from the south to michigan. they enjoyed voting. they were so happy to be able to vote because they weren't able to do it back home in the south.
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>> heidi przybyla reporting. joining me is former florida republican congressman and msnbc political analyst david jolly, the chairman of the serve america movement. david, it's really good to see you. i just want to get your reaction to heidi's reporting. >> so katy, importantly, michigan is an outlier in having this procedural opportunity, where only 4% of the state can petition the legislature, today which is controlled by republicans, and the legislature may or may not pick up that petition, but it is clear in this case they will. it essentially is the legislative package that michigan republicans passed that democratic governor whitmer had previously vetoed. and there are no other states really that have this type of opportunity. so it is true that the michigan legislature may very well pass, again, the voter restrictions the governor had previously vetoed but in this case, under this procedure, it does not require the governor's approval and would become law based on simply the act of the republicans in the legislature.
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>> so this is one of many cases around the country that is trying to restrict voting. there's also a case that's going to go in front of the supreme court over whether or not republican state legislatures should be allowed to join the legal defense for voter i.d. law. north carolina's democratic attorney general is defending it in court. but republicans argue the ag isn't doing enough. what do you make of this case? >> katy, what you're saying is the real split between republicans trying to restrict voting and democrats trying to block republicans. in north carolina, you have a republican legislature and a democratic attorney general. and the republican legislature is saying, look, we passed these tough voter restriction laws, these voter i.d. laws, and the democratic ag in north carolina will not defend it properly. so republican legislators are petitioning the high court to say let us defend the law that we passed because we don't trust our democratic attorney general.
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the bottom line in this, katy, in terms of the jurisprudence around all of these questions, is this particular federal court, this high court, has essentially telegraphed that, look, we are going to let most of these issues be resolved as a political question within these states. however, if there is a disparate impact on communities of color that triggers voting rights protection or civil rights protections, then the federal court will step in. so what you're seeing republican legislatures do in michigan, in north carolina, in other places, is try to make sure these voting restrictions do not have a blatantly prejudicial, discriminatory impact on communities of color and you're seeing petitioners say, wait a minute, this is absolutely voter restrictions that have a disparate impact and they'll leave it to the courts to ultimately decide whether or not this has implications specifically discriminatory implications for communities of color. >> there are a lot of republican lawmakers down in the carolinas
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turning now to the british royal family. they are facing some challenges this holiday season. not only questions about the queen's health, but also the airing of a searing new documentary about the royals. nbc's kelly kobiaya has more from the buckingham palace. >> reporter: well, the queen is back at work and likely looking forward to a long holiday break after what has been a differently year for the house of windsor. a handshake for a retiring general, a face-to-face with the bank of england. the queen showing the world she is caring on after that surprise one-day hospital stay last month. the 95-year-old monarch on light duty, vowing out of several key events, like the climate summit
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in glasgow. >> and so i wish you every good fortune in this significant endeavor. >> reporter: and the annual ceremony honoring veterans, which she's only missed six times in her nearly 70 year reign, this year because of a back sprain. other senior royals are stepping up. prince charles and camilla on their first post-pandemic overseas tour to jordan and egypt. the heir to the throne saying his mother was doing well, joking -- >> once you get to 95, it's not quite as easy as it used to be. it's bad enough at 73. >> reporter: if family's work load fought getting easier either. the controversies keep coming. >> the house of windsor and british press, a complicated partnership. >> reporter: the relationship this week drawing palace fire. the royal households representing the queen, prince charles and prince william
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putting out a rare joint statement calling the claims in the documentary overblown and unfounded, adding it is disappointing when anyone including the bbc gives them credibility. prince william and kate reportedly moving their royal christmas special from the bbc to a rival. prince harry and meghan after seeking privacy from the family are venturing back out in the spotlight in the u.s., while still fighting court battles against the press in britain. prince andrew stripped as a royal, has his own legal problems, fighting a legal scene in the u.s. and nearly 70 years into her reign, the queen's realm is shrinking. the island nation of barbados breaking away next week. it will remain in the commonwealth. the queen will no longer be head of state. the world ken e venturing a new era. for the first time celebrating without the head of the family,
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prince philip. he was such a fun and special part of christmases and it will be very hard for her to deal without him. but i think made easier by the fact that she'll be in a residence that she loves surrounded by family. >> reporter: a big family that's grown even bigger this year the queen has four new great grandchildren. princess eugeneie and beatrice and prince harry all welcoming new life into the royal world. the queen was able to attend a double christening for two of her new grandchildren just last weekend. it's still unclear, though, whether harry and meghan will be bringing their two children to the uk this year for a royal christmas. >> quite a lot there. kelly kobiaya, thank you so much. and that will do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next.
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