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we talked to dr. fauci about staying safe. you can see what he had to say by checking out youtube. search fauci and melber. i wish everyone a very happy thanksgiving this week including my friend and colleague, joy reid. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. good timing. >> perfect timing. what are you cooking, ari? are you responsible for? don't say nothing? >> i'm responsible for setting up the table, not the cooking which reflects my weaknesses. >> make some corn bread. do something. chip in. thank you very much, ari. have a happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. good evening. we begin "the reidout" with the verdict in one of the most important trials in american history. a verdict sealing the fate of three white georgia men that
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chased down a black man in their pickup trucks, cornered him and murdered him in a modern day lynching. they nearly got away with it but today they had to stand up in the courtroom and listen as the guilty verdicts rained down. >> count one, malice murder. we the jury find the defendant travis mcmichael guilty. count two, felony murder, we the jury find the defendant greg mcmichael guilty. count three, felony murder, we the jury find the defendant william r. brian guilty. >> travis mcmichael, the man who shot ahmaud arbery was found guilty on all nine counts including malice murder and felony murder. his father, gregory mcmichael was found not guilty of malice murder but guilty of all other counts he faced including felony murder. while their neighbor william brian who filmed the fatal encounter was found guilty of three counts of felony murder and other charges.
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all of them now face up to life in prison and they still face federal hate crime charges, too. the excitement meant something for arbery's mom. a moment of peace. >> i never thought this day would come, but god a good. >> yes, he is. >> i just want to tell everybody, thank you, thank you for those who marched, those who prayed, most of all the ones who prayed. >> yes, lord. >> thank you, guys. thank you. now ahmaud, i know him as queez, he'll rest in peace. >> for many others, it was a rare moment of justice. this was a complete victory for the prosecution, full stop. in 2021 in the state with historically the second highest
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number of documented lynchings in this country, second only to mississippi, it turns out you cannot chase someone just for being a black man jogging down the street. you cannot lynch a black man in broad daylight in 21st century america and expect to walk free. instead, a nearly all white jury sent a powerful rebuke of anti black terrorism a repudiation of georgia law steeped in racism and used as a justification for lynching black people. but as much as this was an open and shut case, it was pins and needles for those advocating for arbery and justice. the defense argued arbery was the one to blame, scorned his appearance. pushed to bar black pastors from the courtroom using race far more than the prosecution while suppressing evidence of their client's racism and we need to remember this case almost didn't happen at all. remember a previous prosecutor declined to even arrest the
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mcmichaels calling the shooting perfectly legal. which is all to say that today is indeed a victory, a partial victory. partial since arbery's family will still have to have thanksgiving tomorrow without him. it was a fight because with a case of this with video of the actual murder for all the world to see, it was still a question of which way the jury would go and that perhaps says more about america's criminal justice system than seeing these three men behind bars. katie phang, charles coleman junior, civil rights attorney and former prosecutor, elie and jelani cobb. i want to do a round robin. is this verdict what you expected, i'll start with you, elie? >> yes, it's what i expected. it's illegal to lynch a black man in this country as long as you catch it on video. as long as you catch it on video and the dumb defendants leak
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that video thinking that it's going to help them and go through one, not one but two prosecutors and you get an all white jury but a judge who isn't as bias as some of the judges we've seen in the recent past, yes, it's illegal to lynch a black person in that particular set of circumstances and this was the result i expected. >> i will put -- i never almost never disagree with you, elie, but we don't have an anti lynching law in this country so in terms of federal law, we don't have an anti lynching law. it isn't federally illegal to lynch a black man in this country. katie phang, you've been covering this case with us. you and paul butler were the legal dream team on this. is this the result you expected? >> it was but i don't think it was 100% because it was a rule of law victory. the history to get here was too tortured to say this was truly justice in its purest of sentences and i think it was a combination of luck and a
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combination of courage from those 12 jurors but yes, i predicted this because it's exactly what the evidence supported and the law supported in the state of georgia. >> charles coleman junior, thank you for being here. you're a civil rights attorney and former prosecutor. was this verdict a surprise to you or what you expect? >> as a prosecutor, you don't take any verdict for granted. i hoped and believed this is what the outcome should have been, as i watched the case unfold i got tighter and tighter in terms of my anxiety because the prosecution did everything they could to get the verdict they did. yes, this is what i should have been and i expected. i don't take anything for granted, again. >> i'm going to load your question up, jelani, my friend. i won't give you the easy question. i want to play for you, this is the way police treated travis mcmichael on the day of the shooting itself. this is the glen county police
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department encountering travis mcmichael after the shooting. take a look. >> that's okay. do you have any other weapons or anything on you? >> just that. >> if he would have stopped, this wouldn't have happened. >> that's fine. like i said, tick a breath. you got your i.d. and all that? >> yes. >> don't get blood all over yourself. move around and do what you need to do, man. i can only imagine. >> the mcmichaels have a history with law enforcement. one of them is a former police officer. they are obviously friendly with law enforcement. the prosecutor who saw this case, the prosecutors saw this case, threw it out and dismissed it and said there is no crime here. this almost didn't become a case at all. so what does it mean, give us the big picture of what it means that it actually became a case historically? >> it doesn't mean much quite frankly. i can't say this was the verdict i expected.
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we've become, you know, so numb to judicial outrages that we can't be certain that this is how this would turn out. the reason i say it doesn't have that much significance is that when we look at what is necessary, it wasn't simply to elih's point, it wasn't simply there was video of what was a game hunt as they tracked him through this suburb. it wasn't simply that they cycled through four, the fourth prosecutor, actually, who handled the case including a georgia burro investigation, reexamination of the evidence and department of justice reexamine nation. also, in addition to those things required that people get into the streets and stay in the streets for well over a year to ensure that nothing would go awry. and so when we talk about the judicial system working, you know, as president biden said in
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the aftermath of the rittenhouse verdict, the fact is, if you have to have staged months long protests to even have the question of charges being brought, addressed, then that's evidence that the judicial system does not in fact work. >> no, you can't argue with that. impossible to argue that. and the other thing is had they still be policed, they would have got away with it. that's the other thing, too. they didn't get away with it because they're not current play -- currently police. it was necessary and i think actually wise and, you know, i thought it was wise linda didn't argue race. she's facing 11 white jurors and one black juror. if she tried to argue race she would lose a juror that would maybe take it personal in the way the prosecution didn't want
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so she didn't do that. this is what she did argue. this is linda argued the right to liberty in america. >> guess what? we're citizens of the united states, right? we live here. we have liberty. this is a free country. other people can't stop us and hold us and detain us. they have to have actually seen us commit a crime to make a citizens arrest so you go around and stop stopping people, you're doing that in violation of their personal liberty. >> that's what actually worked, elie. >> look, the judge at the beginning of the case said that he saw evidence of racial bias in the jury selection but the judge declined to do anything about it. so going into that courtroom, you have to meet the jury where it is. you have to know what you're up against and here the prosecutor knew what she was up against and
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adjusted accordingly. in other cases that we have seen where the bias in the system has been also very obvious, i felt prosecutors didn't go into that courtroom knowing what to expect and knowing what they were up against in that moment. this prosecutor did and it's one of the reasons why she was able to get a conviction but i just want to add this, it's gross and disgusting that in this day in age, because of the predominantly white jury, you couldn't actually argue, it was smart to not argue what their motive was for killing this man, right? she basically -- >> can i add -- >> motive -- go ahead. >> can i add something to that really quickly? this is not the first time we've seen this. if you recall that horrific outrage in charleston where nine people were murdered in the basement of the church, the rhetoric around that was consistently that this was the murder of nine christians in the midst of prayer. and that was what had to be
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framed in order to make it legible for people, not that this was an act that recalled the worst racial horrors in history, et cetera. this was an offense against christians. >> so prosecutors always have to pretend like these people are motiveless as opposed to actually arguing what they're racially bias motives are and that is sad. it's a good strategy it is sad. >> and i mean, in the end, katie, the prosecutor came out and said this was based on facts. you can't stop and hold people. she really reinforced that argument. the sad part of it is she probably couldn't have got away with arguing the real deal here, this was a lynching. she couldn't argue that. >> what is important is that 36-second video that was the lynch pin of this case for the prosecution, you know, we have this thing called the golden rule, joy, where you are not
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allowed as a prosecutor to ask the jurors to put themselves in the shoes of the victim. you're not allowed to do that like the defense isn't allowed to ask the jurors to put themselves in the shoes of the defendants but that's what you did by playing that video and that's exactly what the prosecutor did when she didn't focus on race because she wanted those jurors to actually witness the video and picture themselves jogging down the street and make sure it was a race argument so the jurors could envision themselves white or black, hispanic, asian jogging down the street having an illegal detention and execution in the middle of a suburb. that was a smart move by the prosecution. in the absence of the video leaked because you thought it would be a smart thing to do. i mean, think about this. rodney brian has to be -- >> he should have turned. >> you and i saw from that jury verdict, he didn't get the
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malice murder but got a felony murder, he participate in that. >> to quote linda, everyone gets a super bowl ring. president biden issued a statement saying ahmaud arbery's killing witnessed by the world on video is a devastating reminder how far we have to go in the fight for racial justice. kamala harris said the defense counsel chose to set a tone that cost the attendance of ministers of the trials intimidation and dehumanized a young black man and the jury arrived at the verdict despite the tactics and stacey abrams released a statement. both united states senators from georgia who are democrats thanks to black voters and particularly black women voters and voters of color says further investigation is necessary to determine how and why officials initially refused to pursue the case and rafael the true justice looks like a black man not having to worry about being harmed or killed while on a jog, while sleeping in his bed and living
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what should be a very long life. and i'll ask you, charles coleman, sort of same question i asked cobb. >> the collective sense of anxiety of us had before this verdict was read was demonstrative of that. it shows us how much more work we have to actually do. i want to be clear about something, we have have justice accountability. justice is out of reach because ahmaud arbery won't be here tomorrow to eat thanksgiving dinner with his family. what we saw today was our system hold three people accountable and while it is a positive start, it is far, far, far away from justice and i think we need to make sure that we keep our eyes on the ball in understanding the difference there.
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>> yeah, the fact they felt free to do this and tape it and thought they could wake away and do it is the problem with this country now. thank you, elie. katie phang, jelani cobb. a rock store that shot and killed two and injured a third and acquitted for it and the shooting of the killing part is exactly why they like him. the latest example of the right 's seriously misguided issues. new data shows the economy gaining major strength of two years of covid and my conversation with a triable chairman and native american journalist about the misinformation still being taught about the first thanksgiving. and tonight's absolute worst, imagine spending 43 years behind bars for a crime you didn't commit and what that tells us about our broken justice system. "the reidout" continues after this. system. "the reidout" contins ueafter this
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republicans continue to celebrate kyle rittenhouse and his acquittal. he traveled to mar-a-lago to visit trump. they are smiling and giving the thumbs up in a photo op posted by professional troll donald junior that called kyle the greatest of all time. never mind he killed two people and badly injured a third. republicans are competing for his affection like contestants on "the bachelor" trying to get a rose. a job he said with ashleigh banfield he does not want to be an intern. it's not just gross and unseenly but an insult to the dead men and their families grieving this thanksgiving and this holiday season. a despicable author turned professional troll the republican candidate for senate
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in ohio said rittenhouse embodies manly virtues he says our youth should embrace. >> this 17-year-old boy so no one protecting the businesses, the people in his community so he went down there and did it and instead of rewarding him and saying isn't it good that a 17-year-old kid who was raised by a single mother made good decisions and decided to be a positive force in this community, they slandered and lied about him and treated basic manly virtue as white supremacy and i think you're exactly right, it's not just about kyle rittenhouse but what kind of young men do we want to raise in the communities? we want to promote the virtues of kyle rittenhouse. >> there are photographs of rittenhouse with the proud boys flashing a white power hand sign. here is his explanation. >> why have you associated with groups like the proud boys and
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use hand signs commonly associated with white supremacy? >> that's a good question. i didn't know the okay hand sign was a symbol of white supremacy like i didn't know the people in the bar was proud boys. they were set up by my former attorney who was fired for putting me in situations like that with people i don't agree with. >> it included the protrump attorney whom rittenhouse called insane for his belief in qanon and likening himself to god. with me now host of the dean abdallah show and tom nickles, contributing writer for "the atlantic." this chic of sort of wrapping their articles around kyle rittenhouse as what j.d. vance calls manly values, a 17-year-old whose mom drove him to city he doesn't live in. that's not a positive force in his community. he didn't live there. these aren't businesses he knew
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or frequented. the owners didn't know him. he killed two people and i have to think if this was my son, i'd be thinking he must be dealing with trama. there must be something. i didn't see it in the interview. it was sort of blank performance but i don't know if that was coaching or what but what do you make of the fact people are taking this 18-year-old and turning him into the ultimate example of manliness for republicans? >> the saddest thing in all this is that the life they're ruining in addition to the people who died and were injured is going to be kyle rittenhouse's life. taking a kid like this and deciding to make a hero out of him isn't going to end well. where j.d. vance is concerned, j.d. vance has become functionally a troll running for senate, that vance is trying to out -- be more outrageous than josh and trying to keep his donors happy.
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that in itself is a sad story to watch and it's just pathetic. but to take this 18-year-old who now has two deaths to live with for the rest of his life and to treat him like a celebrity is part of what the right is doing where anything that aggravates people on the left is a virtue. that's what it's about. it's the lib owning impulse and it's almost this kind of oppositional defee defying disorder that anything that appalls ordinary human beings is something they will embrace because they take that as a sign they're right and of course, that -- there is no end to that. at some point that ends up in more mystery and mayhem and violence because there are a lot of things that appall ordinary human beings and if you embrace that as a political platform, there is simply no bottom. >> you know, there is a thing
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that's happening and i don't know this judge in charlottesville but the judge in charlottesville praised the open white nationalist for how wonderfully they did in representing themselves and for being so wonderful in the courtroom and having such a civil trial. these people like danced when one of the victims talked about the pain they felt that being brutalized. this is about the death of a young woman. these people sort of laughed at her -- and i mean, the judge was praising that. there is something happening in our society, dean, where the right has -- this part of the right has decided that violence, killing, there is no tho shall not kill. violence. >> that judge said the mandate was unconstitutional so gives you an idea of his politics. he did stop richard spencer a few times during opening statements spewing hate.
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getting back to the big point, i sort of agree with tom. i don't think they are just doing this to troll us. they're embracing violence as part of the arsenal of weapons they prepared to use against democrats going forward. that's the reality. this is not oh, democrats don't like people getting killed in the streets so we'll troll them. it's deep within that. you have in the same week last week over 200 republicans defending paul gosar by refusing to condemn him when he put out a fantasy enough video literally killing a.o.c. trump had a statement afterwards i stand with paul gosar. you have j.d. vance that garbage going on and 55% of voters in a july poll saying january 6th was not an act of terrorism, it was an act defending freedom. we have a gop that's not just authoritarian. authoritarian plus violence equals fascism. that's what we're dealing with. so i don't think they're just
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trolling us. i won't be surprised the next rnc they have kyle rittenhouse reenact the next shooting. i think it deeper. it's an embrace in violence and a warning call for all americans, you don't want violence, the gop is telling us what they're doing in front overus. >> tom, i'll come back to you on this. we're going to have you guys back on the next segment. there is a celebration of violence as a part of american culture, you know, whether it was the idea of the western, the wild west violence, not even the way the wild west was or the kind of celebration and sort of luxury violence that for a long time allowed men to believe, white men to believe they could do what those men did to ahmaud arbery. that has to be in you to believe you're free to use violence for whatever reason to get what you want including for politics and that is what i worry about, too. they're aculture rating a teenager into violence.
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most people are finding that glimmer a bit hard to spot. >> that was from 1982 when america was stuck in a deep recession. president regan watched unemployment rise and poll numbers sink. two months later during the midterm elections that terrible economy cost regan 26 seats in the house. how did regan get reelected only two years later in one of the biggest landslides in american history? if you listen to john chancellor, he would have heard that while things were bad, the public still wanted to give regan a shot. >> with unemployment at its highest in 42 years with bankruptcy so high and the recession not going away you would have thought that the voters would have risen up and said enough of this, the story of this election is that the bad
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economic conditions that are severe did not produce the political effect you would have thought they would have with these conditions would have produced. >> it was there that ronald reagan dubbed the great communicator had an opportunity and lost a campaign for fortune best embodied by this 1984 campaign ad. >> it's morning again in america. today more men and women will go to work than ever been in our country's history with interest rates at half the record highs of 1980, nearly 2,000 families today will buy new homes, more than at any time in the past four years. >> president joe biden inherited a crumbling economy and raging global pandemic from perhaps the worst president in history. 21 million americans were making unemployment insurance claims. this morning the labor department announced that new unemployment claims were the lowest in more than 50 years.
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consumer enthusiasm and spending is up and supply chains are unclogged and yesterday biden released 50 million barrels of crude from the petroleum reserve that should lower gas prices in a few weeks. despite all of that, 70% of americans believe the economy stinks. it sounds like president biden might need to take a page from ronald reagan and learn how to sell, sell, sell. back with me my guests, be ever we jump into this conversation. you had something you wanted to add into the last segment. do that first and then we'll talk about the economy stuff. >> just quickly i wanted to agree with dean. this is not just simple trolling by republicans. these are people trying to create a culture of menace. this is what mccarthy is m would look like with a party with no decency. >> i cannot disagree with you. let's talk about this. this is happening at a time there is a normal political conversation going on among dell
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cats what to do about the economy. he's not a seller but a normal guy so that when he talks he sounds like a normal person so he could in theory get out there and say look, i get that it's taking a long time to get the couch you ordered but the economy is really good. tom, i'll stay with you on this, a, do you think it would matter in an environment where the other party has gone full political violence? would it even matter if biden tried to do the normal political thing of selling the economy? >> yeah, i think it might but there is a problem in the democratic party where if there is -- if people say look, i'm unemployed or suffering or my family is running into trouble, democrats by their nature so okay, then things aren't good whereas the republicans and regan in particular had a real talent for saying i understand that and but, you know, things are improving. things are better. democrats feel guilty about doing that when they know
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they're suffering and you know it feels wrong to them. the republicans could say unemployment is x percent. someone would say i don't have a job. democrats say you're right, things are bad. regan would say i understand but you're going to have a job soon and that's the difference and i think especially with the republican party that has no optimism left that has no positive message left, that biden needs to step forward and to be that happy warrior because that's who joe biden used to be and the office clearly weighs on it. he could make that case, i think. >> and here is the thing, dean, i think that tom is right. democrats are sort of weighed down by their empathy where they're like if one person is down, they go my god, everything is terrible and go down and start to do the beans and start to fix the beans and make it work. other than bill clinton going i know things seem bad right now but let me play this saxophone and they would be like oh, and everybody would be distracted. democrats in general don't have that talent so what do you think
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they are going to be able to do about it now so that they don't get shallaced. if they go down, emocracy goes down with them. >> that regan commercial was the whitest commercial i've seen in a long time. unbelievable. >> it worked. >> all different shades of white people and that's what he was going for. let's be blunt. joe biden and democrats, you have the biden economic miracle go out there and talk about it. unemployment in trump's last full month in office, 6.7%. today 4.6%. black unemployment down. hispanic unemployment down. stock market all-time high. trump would get a high and tweet about it. biden doesn't want to talk about it. they don't want to brag. joy, it's about messaging. you get two democrats on tv three opinions. democrats got to work on your messaging. you got to work with someone in hollywood and understand the media is not going to tell you a story because you have accomplishments. the media is not your friend or enemy.
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it's a business vehicle. you've got to come up with messages that work in a vehicle in a vessel that's about getting ratings and revenue. it's not a secret. it's the truth. democrats get yourself together. you have buddies in hole lie -- hollywood. you're doing something great here. >> and the thing is also, i think what republicans are really good at tom is allocating a villain and saying okay, maybe the economy looks bad but the real villain is communism, the russians back when they were anti, now they're really pro-russian. their vision is them. it's something out there. it's the border, it's the brown people and muslims, it's somebody. democrats have another party they are facing that is tearing democracy apart but they don't want to say that. they have lewis dejoy sitting there destroying the postal service but they don't want to say that. i don't know. your thoughts?
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>> one of the great try jumps of the republican party and i say this as a former republican, we got democrats to internalize the democratic party. that by telling them that, you know, if you criticize lewis dejoy, you're taking out, you're dumping on the united states of america. if you don't -- if one person is suffering, you're not living up to the promise of your party. >> yeah. >> and i think republicans really got inside the heads of democrats about this. >> they did. >> they need to let go of that. >> it's time for them to step up because it's not about party. it's about them being the only party left that cares about democracy. get it together. dean abdallah, tom nickles, thank you. still ahead, i recently talked to a member of the tribe of north carolina and the chairman of the tribe about how indigenous people really feel about thanksgiving. it was a fascinating discussion
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this year marks 400 years since english pilgrims and the eastern tribe sat down and broke bread. the meeting known as thanksgiving is an annual holiday celebrated by many americans but not all. flip open any children's book about that day and you'll read about the pilgrims that landed on uninhas beenble land and thanks to native americans they survived and celebrated around wild turkey and corn except that's not how it happened. as "the washington post" noted the people of the first light have lived on these lands as far as back as 10,000 years, far longer than any american. by the time they had met the pilgrims, their community had been devastated by an epidemic brought to their shores by
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previous english settlers so in 1620 when they watched may flower strangers invade their land, they thought they would try things differently and by the spring of 1621 they made contact. in the fall of that year, the pilgrims that struggled through a harsh winter and learned how to plant beans and squash thanks to the tribe celebrated the success of their first harvest. they didn't think to invite the people who helped save their lives. bet you didn't know that because they don't tell you that part in the textbooks. in fact, the tribe showed up later only after the pilgrims fired off their muskets. naturally the tribe heard the gunfire and thought war was afoot realizing that wasn't the case, they wound upsetting down with the people who would become their colonizers. for many indigenous people, thanksgiving is not a day to be celebrated but a day to be mourned because while we gorge ourselves on turkey and staffing, for some it is
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decolinization, disease and children stolen from parents and forced to abandon their language and culture in government-run boarding schools. with me now is dana, washington post reporter and member of the tribe of north carolina and brian weeden, chairman of the tribe. thank you for being here. appreciate you. i want to start with you, dana. thank you for being here this afternoon. why did you write that piece? what prompted you to do it? there are ways to reimagine and rediscover what thanksgiving should be. what prompted you to write this piece? >> i came from a conversation with a good editor at the washington post linda robinson and we were chatting. she said how do you celebrate thanksgiving? i'm native american from a tribe in north carolina and i chuckled and said it's not -- we don't celebrate the same way you do. thanksgiving doesn't mean to native americans what it does to
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many others in the country. and so that got us thinking what is the best way to tell that story? the 40 0th anniversary was a great opportunity to tell that. i met chairman weeden through introductions and listen to their side of the story as you said is so often not shared. >> chief weeden, that's an excellent point. there is an american tick of sort of looking at arrival of europeans here as just a tiumph of will and the may flower and sort of whitewash the fact there were people here and to take those people and those were their friends and gave them corn and to wipe out really what was a really tragic history of encountering european settlers, getting wiped out by disease, maybe smallpox or whatever germs they were carrying and encountering them again and being colinized.
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how does the tribe look at thanksgiving and what would you be doing on that day? >> i think first and foremost, it's ignorant bless on our side and we were welcoming and taught them how to grow corn and crops. we've always been welcoming people and hasn't always worked to our advantage. we're witnessing another pandemic here in the nation with covid. you know, so all the diseases that come through we're still having diseases and problems still today. i would say that thanksgiving is a day of mourning. the fact that our tribe only owns half of 1% of our ancestor territory 400 years later we're
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waiting for our fair share from the government and the commonwealth is unacceptable. >> you know, i was looking you write about the division of land and taking what had been vast lands that the wampanoag had and dividing and didn't divide land that way and tax it that way. what did you discover about how life has changed for this tribe in the centuries since, and how much of that culture -- i will ask both of you the question but i will ask you as someone who just finished this piece. >> well, they are alive and strong as the chairman said, very welcoming people. and ashfrank james, a very well-known wampanoag activist from the 1970s who was dejected
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giving that speech at the time, but perhaps the most famous line, befriending the pilgrim was perhaps our biggest mistake. if you think about that and let that resonate for a moment, it did open up a long, slow, painful process of genocide, of taking of land, of taxation, ownership, things that were the antithesis of the very culture the american indians and wampanoags prided themselves. >> chief, you're young, only 28 years old, a young man growing up both within your tribe and in your culture but in this country. i wonder what you want to say to people who just want to move on and who just want to do the tomahawk chop at an atlanta
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braves game? why are you making such a big deal out of that? why can't we just do thanksgiving the way we want to? including younger people who do not want to deal with history and definitely do not want to deal with anything like reparation? >> i think it boils down to this nation, the monuments and people we classify as heroes and our founding fathers, when you actually look into the history of what these people did, president lincoln was one of the ones that had one of the biggest massacres of native americans in his time. he wanted to bring the nation together so he decided to make this a holiday. i think the country and the nation has played their part, and we don't do a good job at putting out the accurate information. it's very one-sided, and that's why we're here today to put our story out there so we can bring awareness of this issue. i think it's ignorance on a lot of parts but young people i think will make that change and start uniting our nation. >> thank you for writing this very important piece.
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hopefully everyone will read it. chief brian wheaton, chief brian wheaton, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. and up next -- you've heard the phrase justice delayed is justice denied, well, yesterday justice finally delivered after 43 years and it put a big, bright spotlight on america's broken justice system. tonight's "absolute worst" is next. tonight's "absolute worst" is next ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ with downy infusions, let the scent set the mood. feel the difference with downy.
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so it has turned out to be a much more positive week for the criminal justice system than last week, with today's guilty verdict for the men who murdered ahmaud arbery. there's also good news from missouri, where kevin strickland has been exonerated after 43 years in prison. strickland, a black man, was convicted of triple murder in 1979 by an all-white jury, despite no physical evidence linking him to the crime scene, alibis and an admitted killer
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who said strickland wasn't there. but while it's good news that strickland has been released from prison, he will never get those 43 years back. it's just one of many examples of the corruption and unfairness at the heart of our criminal justice system. last week two black men were exonerated for the murder of malcolm x, more than 55 years after his assassination. our system is so messed up and julius jones was almost executed for a conviction that many people now believe was a miscarriage of justice. but it's not just the many, many wrongful convictions out there, it's the number of white men who seem to get away with crime and the disparity is glaring. as rashid tweeted 17-year-old white boy kyle rittenhouse was acquitted claiming self-defense but 17-year-old black girl, crystal kaiser, who killed the man she accused of raping and trafficking her, was convicted. as he pointed out, the system wasn't broken, it was built this way. hmm, if only there was some
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critical theory that talked about race and criminal justice that could address it. anyhoo, the rittenhouse case was influenced by the judge, who seemed to take quite a liking to mr. rittenhouse. he wouldn't let prosecutors call the people he gunned down victims and draw the names of the jurors to be dismissed so he would feel in control, because that's the luxury this young white man was afforded. it's one of many examples that outsized power judges hold. like the judge who decided last week to not send a convicted serial rapist who pleaded guilty to prison after praying about it. it's reminiscent of brock turner's 2017 sexual assault case where the judge gave him a life sentence because of the severe impact jail would have on him. we know for sure not all defendants are forwarded prayer and concern for their well being, with black men getting longer sentence for the exact same crime white men commit. as i mentioned earlier, it says something about our system that it was a shock to many of us that arbery's killers were
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convicted at all. after the rittenhouse trial and zimmerman trial and so many cases where we've seen and been disappointed over and over again, justice in america seems to be much more likely for white americans. and until that changes, our u.s. criminal justice -- so-called criminal justice, "justice" system will remain "the absolute worst." and that's tonight's "reidout." happy thanksgiving. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> count one, malice murder. we the jury find the defendant travis mcmichael guilty. >> all three of the men who chased down and murdered ahmaud arbery and nearly got away with it, guilty. >> the spirit of america defeated the lynch mob! >> tonight the family's lawyer ben crump is here as justice is done for ahmaud arbery. and the latest on the criminal investigation into donald trump's business, as the manhattan d.a. issues new

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