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country as millions of people begin trips to see family and friends for the thanksgiving holiday. plus we're going to look at the supply chain problems plaguing the holiday shopping rush. i'll speak to a leader at the ports about what's being done to turn things around. and later this hour, we'll hear from double grammy award winning singer whose hit song has become an anthem for cubans fighting for freedom. and right now the jury in the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery are a few hours into their second day of deliberations after getting the case tuesday afternoon. nbc's sam brock is in georgia outside the courthouse. we're also joined by joyce vance. thank you for being with me. sam, there's already been quite a back and forth from the jury today. right? >> there's been some activity,
jose. they are in their ninth hour of deliberations. at about 9:40 or so eastern, the jury requested video that the cell phone video showing the pursuit and ultimately the death of ahmaud arbery. they watched it three times in high resolution version. they also requested the 9-1-1 tapes and here's the key part of that. they only listened to about the first 20 or thirty-seconds which says 9-1-1, what is your emergency? and gregory mcmichael responds, i'm out here. there's a black man running and presumably he was going to say down the street and is interrupted by dispatch. that's basically what they listened to. that what happened within the last hour or so. the defense's argument has been staked the entire time on a community-wide crime spree that was going on at the neighborhood, and the idea there was a citizen's arrest being carried out by the mcmichaels. the problem with that, the prosecution points out, is you need the witness the felony or have first-hand knowledge and
the person needs to be trying to escape from that, and the prosecution went to painstaking efforts yesterday to show video in court of ahmaud arbery from the neighbor's perspective, video from across the street, sprinting down the street. and then you see both mcmichaels in their truck follows after them. how could they have seen him commit an alleged crime if they were in the house at the time. and there was a conversation with the police. it was also shown in court. the police officer says do you know this guy was breaking into a house? he says no, i don't. that's just it. they suspected that ahmaud arbery might be responsible for either trespassing or theft. that's where we stand right now. that year's old, really, century old law, citizen's arrest goes back to a time when law enforcement was coming on horseback and it might take hours, if not days for police to arrived. it's been repealed in the state
of georgia and the state legislature, but it's still attempting to be applied in this case. that's a big part of this. also the self-defense argument as well. we're waiting to find out when we might hear from the jury. everyone on pins and needles. >> and joyce, i was struck yesterday in the prosecution's rebuttal final when she made a very strong point to underline that 9-1-1 call. that call, what is your emergency? and the response was there's a black man running. it says so much. and joyce, i'm wondering what do you make of this, the call today to review the videos from the evidence but also to see them each three times and then to hear that one snippet of that 9-1-1 call? >> well, there's a lot of lore that prosecutors have about juries trying to read the signs during deliberations. but something that generally
holds true is that a jury that's coming out and asking to review evidence is a jury that's working well together. they may not have reached agreement on all counts yet. they may still be working through the evidence, but there's reason to believe that their efforts are being productive. and like you say, jose, this all happens in context. and in southern georgia down in brunswick where this is taking place, no one can fail to understand the context. because georgia has had problems for many years with law enforcement essentially enforcing against black people for the crime of driving while black or being in the wrong neighborhood while black. so this context when that 9-1-1 call is made isn't lost on anyone on this jury. >> i wonder, joyce j do you think the holiday tomorrow, changes the calculus most defense and prosecuting attorneys have about the length of deliberations could impact the verdict? >> you know, it well could.
there are a lot of people who just to be pragmatic about it, want to get on about their business this close to a holiday. personally, i always really disliked trying a case in december. we called them christmas juries. and the concern was always that people were more forgiving during the christmas holidays, but in this case, that could cut both ways. as we approach thanksgiving, we all think about what it means to be american, and perhaps this jury will take its obligation which juries in my experience tend to take very seriously, perhaps they will take it even more seriously and be more thorough and deliberate as they go through the evidence. my suspicion is we'll hear a verdict today, though. >> really? interesting. and joyce, i think that rebuttal concluding statement by the prosecution, it was so systematic, to deliberate, so almost pinpoint scientific, they
went down every single case. what could have happened, what should not have happened. what's your impression of that closing argument? >> it was from a professional point of view, a real pleasure to watch. because as you say, she told the jury what the evidence meant, put it all in context, and did it in a way that was very consistent. she provided a compelling case for them going methodically through each of the arguments that the defendants had made and pointing out the flaws. starting with this really important notion that at the time that mr. arbery was killed, no one ever said we were in the process of making a citizen's arrest. that lended a lot of weight to her argument that this was just a fabrication, an effort to come up with a defense down the road when they realized that they were about to be in a lot of trouble. so it's important to understand that the citizen's arrest and the self-defense argument work
together. because if there's no legitimate right to make a citizen's arrest here, then this is just pure provocation by the mcmichaels, and no real way for them to employ the argument that they were acting in their own defense at this point. she did a beautiful job of making that connection and helping the jury understand how the facts and the law came together and why they should vote to convict. >> and joyce, you're saying you think the verdict could come back as early as today. >> i think that there's a good chance that it will. the fact that they were at the point of reviewing the video and audio evidence, you know, look, reading juries is such an imprecise science, but the fact that the evidence in this case was so clear that the prosecution closed so strongly, and the defense which did a very good job with the evidence that they had in front of them, ultimately had a real difficult time making out a compelling defense. it's very likely in my judgment
that the jury will work through the evidence and return a verdict today. >> interesting. joyce vance, thank you very much for being with me this morning. i appreciate it. let's turn to a devastating update in the christmas parade in wisconsin. a sixth person has died, an eight-year-old boy dying days after an emergency brain surgery. meghan has more. how is this community holding up? >> reporter: jose, it's devastating. tomorrow is thanksgiving. in a couple days it's hanukkah and a month it's christmas. a time the community should be joyful. they are devastated. the latest news of 8-year-old jackson sparks who lost his life yesterday. we know that he was in the parade on sunday, marching with his baseball teammates when this suv came plowing through. he was rushed to the hospital. he underwent emergency brain surgery, and then, of course,
sadly lost his battle yesterday. we know his 12-year-old brother tucker is in the hospital. one of three sets of siblings that doctors are caring for. right now a total of 13 kids still at children's hospital. six of them in critical condition. as for the suspect, the man that prosecutors say is the cause of all of this, he did appear in court yesterday for his first court appearance where a judge issued a $5 million bond. saying that it's warranted, given the acts that brooks is accused of doing and his extensive criminal history. we also are getting some more information through court documents of what led up to the events. police officers on the scene saying they literally put their bodies in front of this vehicle doing everything they could to try and stop brooks from plowing toward this crowd, they say. there's another police officer who says that he believes this was an intentional act, because he saw the moments brooks slowed down. he saw the brake lights and then
he saw him turn toward the crowd and accelerate toward the people. in total 62 people injured. right now that death toll has risen to six people who died. brooks is facing five counts right now of intentional homicide, but we do expect a sixth count to be added in the coming days, of course, for the death of eight-year-old jackson sparks. jose? >> what a tragedy. an eight-year-old boy. meghan fitzgerald, thank you. a lot more still ahead on msnbc. including my conversation with one of the artists behind a song which became an anthem for freedom during recent demonstrations in cuba. but first, what's happening in our nation's capitol, the build back better act sits in the senate. the debt ceiling needs to be raised before the end of the year, and more january 6th subpoenas are flying. we'll look at where all of this stands next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." diaz-balart reports.
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14 past the hour. out of washington in the latest in the investigation into the january 6th insurrection at the u.s. capitol. former new york city police commissioner's lawyer sent a letter to the house committee investigating the attack saying his client will come ply with a subpoena. but -- at a washington hotel the night before the riot. his lawyer says he was not at that meeting. this comes as the panel sent subpoenas to the proud boys, the oath keepers and their leaders. with me now to talk about this and other headlines, susan page, washington bureau chief for usa today, eugene scott, political reporter. betty swan, msnbc contributor, and victoria francesco at the
university of texas. also an msnbc contributor. betsy, what is this latest round of subpoenas from the january 6th committee? tell us about where its investigation is heading. >> it shows that they're looking not just at what happened before the january 6th attack, but also at the people who were directly involved in the violence that unfolded that day. it shows what the committee is looking at is starting to seriously overlap with doj's criminal investigations. the justice didn't, two of the biggest, most complex, host high stake prosecutions in its january 6th probe relate to the oath keepers and the proud boys, the far right groups who have been subpoenaed by the january 6th select committee. the justice department has brought cases alleging leaders of both organizations were conspireing to plan and then participate in the attack on the capitol building that day. one leader of one of those
organizations, enreek toro is currently incarcerated. he was arrested two days before the january 6th attack. and is now serving a six-month prison sentence in d.c. jail for burning a black lives matter flag from a church. it's unclear if the fact he's incarcerated will make it easier or hard tore get information out of him. but the lens of the committee becomes wider. >> and eugene, chuck schumer skies he wants the senate to pass the build back better by christmas. with things happening, congress has to take care of things like the government funding, increasing the debt limit. could all of this change the schedule for the build back better act? >> it could. especially if you look at how difficult of a time the senate has had in the past moving forward with legislation that was coming out of the biden white house. you have so many different
lawmakers with different focuses and priorities representing different constituenies with different ideas about what needs to be done immediately and what can wait. getting everybody on the same page can be difficult, and it's an ambitious goal, but it doesn't seem like something we know will be able to come to pass before the christmas holiday. >> yeah. i mean, eugene, the president promised an increase in social spending. would this delay hamper those efforts? >> it could. it very well could. there are lawmakers trying to make sure it does not, because as you can imagine, considering where things are in the country financially, concern about inflation and other matters, there are people who have needs that need to be met as soon as possible. and so you can expect lawmakers to try and move forward with addressing these issues. but it's a big chamber, and the reality is this is not what everyone is focussed on at the same level.
>> yeah. and efforts by the democrats to sell this build back better act have focussed on cities and suburban areas. since this has an impact on everyone, is this a smart strategy? >> it is. and in terms of trying to cast a wide net. in seeing that this is something that is not targeted just to democrats, just to republicans, just to folks in the cities or the rural regions. but saying that it's very much something that will touch each of them, the question here, jose, is how good a job can the liaisons, which are the congressmen and women, to sell that when they go home? i think that's the crucial piece and understanding you say this is a bill initiative that are going to effect all americans, but we need to have the hard sell, the marketing strategy with those folks between who are touching the people on the ground in small and big cities all across america. >> and victoria, let's focus on
something that has been mentioned not nearly enough, i think, but the immigration reform aspect of the build back better act. i mean, it came out of the house with clear language on some form of temporary legalization for up to 7 million immigrants who have been here since before 2011. this could be taken out if the parliamentarian continues to simply repeat what she's said twice before. but that is an important aspect that i think could have some ramifications down the road for any committee work. >> jose, let me put this in context. it has been over 30 years since we have seen any major immigration reform. we are in desperate need of this. and what is being proposed in the build back better is a small temporary fix so we can get to a major comprehensive reform. but it is critically important, because keep in mind that it
would affect over 20 million people in this country. those who are undocumented and their family members. these are individuals who have been here for an average of 20 years. they're your neighbors. aside from the human face of it, let's talk economy. if this is passed, if we're able to see work permits being granted to folks living in the shadows, that means $10 million more per year in taxes. that means an economic expansion close to $20 million a year. so there's the immigration human face of it. but i'm hoping that for folks who may not see that, they are going to see the bottom line of the economic component to it. >> yeah. and i mean, let's kind of think back. the last comprehensive immigration reform that actually passed in this country signed by the president was 1986. berlin's song, and i'm trying to find it here, just to give you context. the song -- the number one song was "take my breath away "by berlin. that was the last time we had
comprehensive immigration reform in this country. the president hopes releasing oil from the strategic petroleum reserve helps lower gas prices. will it? and if it doesn't, is there a plan b? >> it's not likely to help fast. there's an idea there's a release. it is being done in consultation and coordination with the government's elsewhere. that may help. i think it does make the case to americans that the administration is trying to address concern about inflation. that's -- there's been a kind of disconnect there as the administration focussed on the infrastructure bill and now the build back better act. they have been less focussed on what americans say is their biggest economic concern, inflation. they see it every day when they go to fill up their gas tank or when they go to the grocery store to buy that turkey. >> yeah. and susan, there are reports that the biden administration is
working to remove farc, are group responsible for the death of thousands of colombians. what is prompting this? >> it's been five years since the peace agreement was reached between the colombian government and farc. it's made progress in bringing peace to the country and for decades of conflict. it was negotiated with the cooperation of the obama administration, and i think there's a sense now that this peace agreement can be bolstered if the united states removes the terror designation. because it means we can send more aid. we can allow more business interest to be -- to do business there. and that is why i think the administration is proceeding with this. we think they told congress about their intentions on tuesday, and will announce it shortly. >> susan page, eugene, betsy, victoria, thank you so much for being with me this morning. next, new rising tensions in
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27 after the hour. the biden administration has invited taiwan to its summit for democracy next month. it's a move that has angered china which views the democratically governed island as its territory. china's foreign ministry says it is firmly opposed to the invitation. this comes as china has stepped up pressure on countries to down graid or cut their relations with taiwan. and it continues to threaten that island nation. joining me now is the former u.s. ambassador to china. ambassador, it's a pleasure to see you this morning. thank you. how significant is it that the white house has invited taiwan to this summit? >> it's a big deal. taiwan is a core issue for china. china will not negotiate away taiwan in any way. it's inviolate. add to that it's difficult from china's perspective to see our administration putting together a democracy summit, because that
implies to china that other countries, democracies are ganging up against china. i think that frankly, the united states has to continue to pursue its standard policy of strategic ambiguity toward taiwan. that's say clearly as president biden has said, and tony blinken as secretary of state has said that the united states will follow one china policy. that means there's one china. taiwan and china. not china turns it one way. other countries interpret it another way. we maintained the illusion of one china. so this is a pretty big deal. i think it's dangerous because the more we push on taiwan to china, the more we risk a con in grags in the taiwan straits. >> there may have been semantic differences there in the president biden, what he's said, for example, at a town hall
versus for example the summit he had with the leader of china last week. senior administration officials says biden was clearly reaffirming the one china policy. but ambassador, it's interesting. so china is threatened or upset by the united states' democracy inviting taiwan, a democracy, to a meeting about democracy. what's the threat for china? >> well, china sees taiwan not as a separate country. and china sees taiwan as an island over there that is democratic, but from china's perspective is chinese. and that's the main reason why china feels taiwan should not be invited separately to this summit. >> right. it's kind of like what it had the view of hong kong, and we know how hong kong has ended up. last -- >> right. >> earlier this week the president of the international
olympic committee held a meeting with peng shai, the ioc saying she said she's safe and well. she accused a former high ranking politician of sexual assault. china's government has not said anything about her allegation. do you think the call was enough to show she's safe and well? >> frankly, it doesn't really pass the smell test. there are -- it seems to me that it was a bit contrived. it seems to me that she's been pressured. and also the circumstances under which that call was made indicate it was done, clearly made by her. this problem will not go away for china. it's a huge issue for china. women's rights in china are not well-recognized. a few years ago they passed a law with respect to violence of women. after that the alleged
perpetrator is a guy, i know him. i've met with him. he's a cool customer. he's tough. one time he was one of the most powerful persons in china. so this will only go away when the band-aid is ripped off, so to speak. when china comes clean. lets peng go to america if she wants to and clearly justice is being done with respect to the man. it will not go away until china pursues it. >> i mean, ambassador, the disappearance is not an isolated incident. the founder of alibaba dropped out of the public eye after he criticized regulators. why do people like that disappear? and they can disappear, what does it say about the life of the not rich and not famous inside china? >> china is a different country. it's a different culture. the chinese communist party is
in charge. they want to stay in charge, and they think they can stay in charge so long as the people are happy. what makes the people happy? they think the people are happy in china if people get decent incomes. their children are taken care of. basically if people are kind of happy, and china feels it's doing the right thing. now, sometimes it's repressive. it detains people. you can't find them sometimes. that's the chinese way. and if you're an ordinary person, that's right, it's difficult. if you're a public person, it's difficult, too, but international publicity is focussed on that person and it makes it more difficult for the country. >> so there is quietly and sometimes not so quietly evidence that there is a huge disconnect between the government and the people. ambassador, thank you for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> next, a race to deliver the holidays are upon us. and companies are facing the
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over when it comes to problems in the shipping industry. is that matching what you're seeing? >> first, thank you for having me on the program and congratulations on your new show. i think we're seeing some treatment of the holiday frenzy purchasing that was going on. there was so much concern, and so much coverage on the issue of supply chain congestion. i think there was hedging on the purchasing side which compounded the problem. but i would just say that supply chain congestion as an issue for our country, the threat will be ever-present unless and until we as a nation make a commitment to a sustained investment in port infrastructure and connectivity. >> so what are the top challenges you're facing, chris? >> well, you know, we've all seen the pictures of vessels waiting for a berth outside of
los angeles and long beach, and it's -- the ports have been called out on that. but you really have to ask why are those ships accumulating in such great numbers? and when you unpack that issue, what you really come to find is cargo is simply not moving off the terminal fast enough. and the reason that those ships are waiting for a berth is because there's no place to put the cargo that's on board those vessels. so we need to get the freight off the terminals, get it moving through the system, to clear space so those ships can be unloaded on a more regular and normal basis. >> chris, i'm wondering, your industry is such a job-creator. how many people work in your industry? >> oh, it's massive. there's plus 30 million jobs in the greater supply chain arena that covers a lot of ground. a lot of modes. it's a huge -- it's about 26% of
gdp is influenced by the port industry specifically. so it's a massive economic driver. >> chris, the white house touted the decision to shift california's ports to 24/7. how has it helped and what could be done to alleviate delays and you're talking about the fact that it's kind of like a whole series of links in the chain of getting this material through. right? >> it's an interconnected network. i prefer to refer to it as our nationwide freight mobility network, but to your point on the white house, i think when the white house appointed the port envoy, that was a really good first step. and what he's been able to do is convene all the critical supply chain market parparticipants. everyone from cargo owners to
the truck line us and the ports and distribution centers, and frankly, he's been able to nudge some commitments on short-term and median term solutions. and get some people to make some commitments. one of the probably most loudest examples of that was the 24 /7 hours of operation that l.a. and long beach have put into place. the rest of the supply chain needs to kind of measure up to that and step up to that. and take advantage of those extended hours and spread out the distribution of cargo over a 24-hour day as opposed to a 12 or 16-hour day. >> that includes, for example, bumping up the number of truckers and trucks that are available throughout our country. >> absolutely. and we need more drivers. we need some new legislation to allow people under the age of 21
to be part of that work force. we need -- more driver training and quite frankly, we need to find a way to improve the wages for particularly independent truckers. it's pretty whoaful what indpebt truckers are being paid. that needs to step up as well. >> chris, thank you for being me. really interesting and important conversation. i appreciate your time. >> happy thanksgiving. >> coming up next, 53.4 million. that's how many americans aaa says are traveling this weekend. of course, all during a pandemic. are you at all concerned about bringing covid to the thanksgiving table? the medical advice you need to know. plus the ground breaking anthem that became a battle cry for cuban protests for freedom this summer. it just made history at the latin grammy awards.
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it's thanksgiving eve as travel for the holidays hits closer to prepandemic levels, 30 states across the country are seeing a rise in coronavirus cases. in an option for families prepping for not only the big dinner tomorrow but family gatherings. testing is something we need to be talking about. joining me now, a senior scholar at the johns hopkins center. how often should we get tested before and after the holidays? >> so this all depends upon your status. if you're that's fully vaccinated, i think the testing has less value than an unvaccinated individual. maybe before the event if there are a lot of people there depending on the preferences of everybody there. maybe as close to the event as possible makes the test most valuable. unvaccinated people should be testing all the time with home tests irrespective of the
events. they're at high risk with the delta variant. it's going to be up to what the event is and your vaccination status. >> let's talk about that. i mean, access to testing looks different across the country. some places there's just not enough locations. and then some places it may be hard to find these quick home tests. so -- and then talk to us about the pcr, the rapid tests, what are the effective ones? what aren't effective? or as effective? >> you have to step back and ask what you want the test to answer. what question you're asking it. if you're an asymptomatic individual, you're not asking am i sick with something because you're not sick. you're asking am i contagious. for that purpose, the rapid antigen is the best test. if you're sick, you can start with those types of antigen tests, but if you have symptoms and the test is negative, move
to the pcr. for asymptomatic, i think rapid antigen tests are the way to go. we've lagged behind the need for the tests and it's difficult for people to get the tests and it's been a major problem throughout the pandemic. >> doctor, we're seeing a troubling rise rise in covid nu in kids. more than 140,000 children tested positive for covid. what can parents be doing over the holidays to keep their kids safe? >> the best thing they can do is get their children vaccinated. we know the delta variant is going to look for unvaccinated individuals to infect and children tend to be the lowest vaccinated group in this country. and because their spared for severe consequences for disease, many of them are back to their activities. this is where you want to get your children vaccinated. you want to continue to use tests judiciously. if you have a child at risk for severe disease, you want to think about your activities. the vaccine is the solution to this issue with children.
>> and, doctor, the holidays are an extremely busy time for everybody. what would you say to any adult who might be putting off getting their booster now? >> when it comes to boosters, there's a little bit of controversy over where the benefit is. if you're above the age of 65, has a high risk condition, maybe you got the johnson & johnson vaccine, you should be getting boosted today. there's evidence that boosters help in that population. for the average healthy person between the ages of 18 and 50 or 65, the risk of severe disease is very low with a breakthrough infection. a booster is not going to hurt. but the benefit is probably less so than in that other age group. that's where we want to focus is getting the high-risk people boosted as they interact with other individuals. for everyone else, i think it's reflected in the cdc guidance, they may get a booster. i think it's a marginal benefit in that population compared to the older populations. >> doctor, thank you for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. and now to a history-making
moment at this year's latino grammys when "patria y vida" won song of the year and best urban song. ♪♪ ♪♪ >> the song winning even as one of the artists who sang it is in prison. while reports that he is in a delicate state of health. "patria y vida" translates to homeland and life, a twist on the regime's motto, homeland or death. i spoke with yotuel about what this moment in time means. first of all, congratulations on
your wins. you've gotten so much -- >> two times. >> two times. two times. >> yeah. >> that's right. congratulations. two times over. tell me how you felt. >> translator: i felt too blessed, too happy for what this song represents for the cuban people. victories are always satisfying. especially for a cause such as this. >> yotuel, this has to be the first time that a latin grammy is given to artists, one of whom is in prison for having sang that song. >> translator: i think michael is the only artist in history who has won two grammys like this. the political prison who wins two grammys been in prison.
i think that's something historical. he is going through something very difficult and very hard. we keep asking for proof of life. we keep trying to get him out of jail. this is so unjust. >> "patria y vida" has become an anthem for so many in and out of of the island in their quest for freedom. what is it that the cuban people are asking for? because there's been so many reports as to what they're asking for. >> translator: it asks for freedom, the end of the dictatorship and choose a better future for cuba. >> upon your return to miami, you went to the basilica, the shine of our lady of charity, and you actually gave both of
yours latin grammys there so that they could be -- it could be on the altar for a period of time. why did you do that? what does it mean to you? >> translator: to me, visiting the temple is always an act of gratitude. in fact, when my two children were born in miami, as soon as we left the hospital, the first thing i did was to take them to the -- to me, it means freedom, patriotism, it means being cuban. to make this offering, those two grammys that for me represent the cuban people, the freedom of the cuban people because it is a song that left a mark in the contemporary history of cuba. >> yotuel, thank you for being with me. >> translator: thank you very much for being there and as i
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