tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC November 22, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
at the networks of nbc news, good night. it's good to have you. here shotguns are legal. sawed off shotguns are not legal. the national firearms act of 1934 put in place new federal rules, again 1934, against owning a whole big class of weapons and weapons accessories that are believed to be associated with serious crimes. so that 1934 law included things like, machine guns and silencers and sawed off shotguns. and now, just because i just said that small sequence of sentences all of the gun people are now going to write me
really pedantic misspelled threatening letters telling me that i've explained this in a way that they do not like. i welcome your hate mail. bring it on. but frankly, the bottom line truth for most americans is that for 87 years now, u.s. law says you cannot have a sawed off shotgun. you cannot shorten the bear of your shotgun to be 18 inches or less, because, crime. but this being the united states of america in which we are not really a route to have nationally derive policies about guns, even though sawed off shotguns have been illegal in this country for almost 90 years, some genius has nevertheless, invented, marketed, and now legally cells in the united states a shotgun revolver. it is a handgun, a huge oversized handgun, a huge oversized revolver. with a giant oversized cylinder
big enough to take shotgun cells. so, you kind of assault of shotgun in this country with a barrel of 18 inches, but you can have a shotgun revolver with a barrel length of two and a half inches. which yes does lead instantly to lots of two and a half inch barrel jokes about the kinds of guys who want to buy this kind of cartoon laughing stock over compensating small man can. but it is a handgun. it is a sort of painfully ridiculous, cantaloupe of a handgun. into which you really can load shotgun shells. or very large sized bullets. and on january six, this year, prosecutors now say that a 56-year-old man from indiana brought that kind of a ridiculous gun loaded, brought it to the u.s. capital. here is cultivating a political dot com on what the man told him, police investigators, he
told him to do at the capitol on january six. quote, and in the end a man quote which are carrying a loaded firearm on the couple of january six to investigators that if he had found the speaker nancy pelosi, quote, you'd be here for another reason. this guy is essentially saying that if i had found nancy pelosi that they, you guys would be here for another reason. meaning you'd be here to arrest me for killing. this man, quote, allegedly carried a taurus revolver which is capable of filing shotgun shells, two of which were in the ember with three hollow point bullets. so five shot revolvers apparently had to shotgun shells, and three hollow points. a capitol police sergeant obtain the weapon after allegedly fending off an assault from the man, quote, according to the charging documents in the case to, capitol police investigators visited the man. at his home in shelby, on march 29th.
and he admitted to them that he had gone to the stop the steal rally in the capitol on january 6th, and then march to the u.s. capitol building. the man told investigators, as they prepared to finish their interview with, him quote, i thought nan and i would hit it off. then as a nancy pelosi. i was glad that i didn't, meaning i didn't find her. because you'd be here for another reason. and i told my, kids if they show, up i am not -- because they can have me, so that i could go down here. so the man is armed with a revolver. a ridiculous oversized cartoonish revolver into which he has floated both shotgun shells and hollow point bullets he says that he is looking for nancy pelosi inside the u.s. capitol that day. he has gotten finder, because if he had been he'd be surrendering to those police because we'd be there to arrest him for killing her and he'd be surrendering to them because pretty sure that at least some of america would consider my hero for having done that. for having shot the speaker of the house.
i mean the reason he got the gun taken off, in january, six is that he allegedly assaulted a police officer who then took it from him. but i'm just going to point out, here number, one the guy was not arrested on january six even though that day he allegedly assaulted an officer and he in fact had a loaded gun on him at the police officer took off him. after that, he walks away. and, number two, capitol police investigators went to his home in indiana and talk to him about his role in january six in march. we during that interview he volunteered to them that yes he had been in the capital, yes he had been looking for nancy pelosi, and yes if you had founded that they they'd be there to arrest him for killing her. and he didn't say that in some encrypted forum that investigators have just gained access to and that is why they have arrested him now. he told that to police officers, in march. eight months ago. and they had is loaded gun.
which he had with him at the capitol when he allegedly assaulted a police officer. and the man was just charged now. nice life if you can get it, right? and i will tell you this is new today about the guy with a loaded shotgun shell revolver hunting house speaker nancy pelosi inside the capitol on january six, saying he would've killed her if you found. this is new. if it doesn't sound to you, if it sounds familiar, it's because while this was actually a brand-new story it rhymes with a lot of other once recently. here is buzzfeed reporter, salvatore hernandez, more than two months ago. september 10th, this, year a man who threatened to shoot speaker nancy pelosi in the head on live television after the aftermath of the january 6th insurrection of the capital, pleaded guilty today to a felony. he drove from colorado to washington d.c. to take part in the january six rallies, protesting the result of the presidential elections. officials say he arrived hauling a trailer, a rifle, a
block nine millimeter handgun, ten large capacity magazines, and more than ten rounds of ammunition. according to a federal indictment, he headed to d.c. with a -- ton of armor piercing. i'm the day after the january 6th capitol attack, he takes it a family member saying that he was thinking about heading over to pelosi -- 's speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on live tv. that is not the same guy with the shotgun shell revolver, that is a different guy. he pled guilty september 10th. and then two and a half weeks later, yet another different person. here is marshall cohen, reporting at cnn, a duels town pennsylvania woman who stormed the u.s. capital on january six saying that she had been looking for nancy pelosi to quote, shoot her in the african brain, pleaded guilty today to a low level misdemeanor for unlawfully protesting on restricted grounds. low level misdemeanor. that's what she pled to. that's not to be confused with the shotgun shell revolver guy, or the guy who had all of that
other types of weapons that said he was going to put a bullet through 90 pelosi on live television, and this woman who said he was going to put a bullet as a separate one. and then oh, here's another one, this was just friday this past, week arizona man convicted after threatening pelosi with i'm coming to kill your message. the arizona man left a message to nancy pelosi saying, i am coming to you, was convicted thursday, just last week, for communicating an interstate threat, according to the u.s. attorney's office district of arizona. those are all different people. all different cases. and if this is still sounding familiar, it might be because one republican congresswoman, marjorie taylor, greene was stripped of all her committee assignments back in february, one of the reasons why was her liking a post on social media that called for, putting a bullet in nancy pelosi's head. all separate incidents, all different people. some of them get kicked off their committees in congress, some get get misdemeanors, pleaded guilty to a felony. it is all different people.
and it's weird it's almost like there's some sort of echo chamber for these kind of very specific threat, right? since they're all threatening the same thing against the exact same democrat. it's an amazing time that we live in. full profiles of how nancy pelosi has been working the phones to try to get democrats like joe manchin, and kristen sinema to support president biden's legislative agenda in congress. all the while, on the regular, one after another, committed trump supporters is brought up on charges of making concerted and in some cases armed death threats against. or she sort of proceeds with her work. there is a whole industry of trump supporters making more or less credible and some cases i'm threats against speaker pelosi's life. while she does her work. it's an amazing time we live in. i mean the same day, today, that this new footage was released, the police officer trying to fight off the trump mob. including this guy hurling a
trash can and a police officer, police officers trying to get that door down. that ruling door down to protect the parts of the capital but it keeps going back up because they're blocking. and then the mob just surges through and comes through to get them. the same day, we get that footage released of one of the things that happened on january six. and we get the court documents released of the guy with a loaded shotgun shell revolver who was hunting nancy pelosi, who told police, eight months ago that he would've killed her if he found. or that seem, day that same day we learned that finally somebody had at last resigned from the fox news channel. in response to the three part series that they had been running all this month, claiming that nobody did anything wrong on january six. trump supporters are being framed, and they didn't do anything bad, they are being unjustly persecuted simply for liking donald, trump and they better get the left, before the left gets them. finally. the fox news channel has had roads of a shuns between those two guys who were contributors over the network. tonight, we just got word of
five more subpoenas that have gone out for the investigation into the january 6th attack. former president trump's longtime advisor, roger stone, police already had to pardon once after trump was convicted with -- roger stone has been subpoenaed by the january six investigation as he has been as well alex jones. a more marketing trump supporter, mr. john was most instantly in the news for having a default judgment declared against him in the case brought by the parents. of little kids who were murdered in sandy hook, you count, connecticut. alex jones made his money for a long while selling this fantasy to his followers that the sandy hook massacre was faked, and the kids didn't really die. the lawsuits against him by the parents of those kids may very well have bankrupted and shut down his media and supplement hawked company. a jury will decide what to do with him in that case in terms of financial penalties.
but he and roger stone and three other people are all now subpoenaed as of tonight to testify to hand over documents about the role in the january six attack on the capital. we will see if president -- former president trump tells them not to respond to those subpoena. tells them to divide those subpoenas as he is encouraged others to do. we are going to have a reporter david vergne hold here, we reporter for the washington post. mr. vergne hold actually had two different scoops today in the post. one, about the contours of the new casey further investigation that new york city prosecutors are pursuing against the former president and his business. mr. david fahrenthold, and his colleagues posted that peace first thing this morning for the morning paper. it is a fascinating piece. but, then this afternoon, second scoop of the. day mr. david fahrenthold and his colleagues reporting that the national republican party is pegging trump's legal fees. 's personal legal fees for his
personal legal matters. nothing related to when he was president. there are playing his legal fees for criminal cases brought against him related to his business before he was president. quote, the republican national committee is paying some personal legal bills for former president donald trump. spending party funds to be a lawyer representing trump, in investigations into his financial practices in new york, a party's books woman said monday. last moment, they made more than $120,000 to the law firm of a veteran that trump hired in april. trump is a wealthy businessmen with dozens of properties and he has also built an independent political operation in which had last count and more than $100 million cash on hand. trump did not respond to questions today about why the rnc is therefore paying his legal bills. i know. i know. because he told them to, and they do whatever he says. amazing though. we are going to have more on
that coming up with david fahrenthold in just a few minutes. but you know. it has been a day. today, rabid trump supporters were back at dealey plaza, in dallas, texas once again waiting once again for the resurrection of former president john f. kennedy and is john john f. kennedy junior. this is multiple times now in the last several, weeks they have showed up on mass ideally plaza in dollars. this is an offshoot of the qanon conspiracy theory. the sort of mass delusion among trump supporters for weeks now. they have been sticking out this location in texas as part of a weird mass fantasy about resurrecting dead people including dead politicians and their families and did celebrities. all of whom are supposed to come back from the dead and help donald trump reclaim power. help him become king of the world. okay. back on earth one it is not
like we have real stuff to do with, both good and bad in both cases very bad one sort of bright spot today was the day, president biden's vaccine requirement went into effect for people who work for the federal government. and i say that that's a bright spot in one very specific sense, this vaccine requirement for federal employees req uireme this isn't press reported today that more than 90% of all federal workers, there is like three and a half million federal workers, more than 90% of them received at least one dose of the vaccine before today's deadline. vaccine require and's work. a lot of media tension to you why they don't work but they work. when the 90% of federal workers got shots by the deadline. today was day two of jury deliberations in the charlottesville trial, the
trial where neo-nazis and white supremacist groups are being sued for having organized the violence that took place in the charlottesville rally in 2017. the jury has that case, they had it for a full second day today. the jurors now asking questions of the judge in that case but we don't know what that means in terms of the deliberations and ruling on the charlottesville case from that but the jury can come any day now. tomorrow is the day that the georgia jury is likely we -- three men chasing down entered into death ahmaud arbery. he was unarmed, an african american men out jogging and three women chased him down in a pick up truck and shot him to death. they're claiming that they were trying to make a citizens arrest and that it was some sort of self-defense killing. we will have more on that story tonight and what to expect tonight as the jury gets that case.
. this is the case where defense council keeps complaining to the judge in open court about the presence of too many black people. the presence of black pastors another black people come to the courthouse to support mr. arbery's family. it appears to be a deliberately super inflammatory approach from the defense council to try to get arouse out of people and a miss trial to declare. that shocking but relentless tacked from the defense councils turning out to be important not only for the potential resolution for the case but for how it is we are seeing it -- will have more in a few minutes. today of course with everything else going on, good, bad, crazy and in between, all eyes have been on walk show wisconsin. yesterday afternoon an unthinkable crime took life after life after life.
now you know the basics of what happened. a red suv inexplicably ran into the parade and those marching into the parade, and people watching on the sidewalk. as of this hour, five people are dead and an unbelievable 40 people are injured, including many, many kids. people there with children's hospital in milwaukee earlier today. >> we -- are uniquely equipped to support an event like this. sadly, like many communities, our region has experienced mass casualty events in the past, but none in the recent history involved being such a large number of children. 18 kids were brought to the emergency department ranging from ages 3 to 16 years of age, which includes three sets of siblings. injuries range from facial abrasions to broken bones, to serious head injuries. six of these patients were sent
to the operating room last night, and three patients are going under surgery today. >> six kids operated on last night, two additional kids undergoing surgeries today. tonight, as vigils are underway in wisconsin for those killed and injured, as we are expecting an initial court hearing for the suspect in this tomorrow afternoon, one of the horrifying things about this incident is how many people and the kids specifically were not just hurt, but critically hurt and are still being cared for. the death toll here is already five but so many were hurt earlier. one of the people who marched in the parade who escaped time was a democratic state representative name sarah rodriguez. she was walking in the parade as a democratic -- she's okay she was there when it happened we.
sarah restaurants us now. thank you for joining us. sorry for what you have been through and what walker tsai's been there. >> thank you for having me. >> i understand that you are joining us after attending a probe or -- visual -- vigil tonight for the victims. can you tell us what it's like tonight the messages out of the vigil and the community? >> it's been a devastating event for our community, but the vigil tonight was one of hope. we. had thousands of people. it is wisconsin and it is cold. we had thousands of people who attended the vigil listening to the multi different people speaking, the pastor speaking. it was good to come together in the community and that's what i felt when i was there. >> one of the things that so harrowing here is the number of
kids that were among those that were hurt and the number of kids who are among those who are seriously hurt and therefore still in the hospital, we know that six kids were in surgery last night and two more today. that has to be particular -- not just gut wrenching, but it's the sort of thing that knocks the community back in a way that almost nothing else can. that part has to be so difficult. >> it really is. e so my children go to that school district and my son goes to walk a shaw high school. the marching band you see in the video is from that high school. i spent that evening calling friends, calling parents of kids just to see how they were. my 15-year-old son did the same thing calling to see how his friends were. his many friends in the marching band --
>> is there anything the country needs to do for the community at this point? i know whenever there is a tragedy, nothing is exactly like this. whenever there is a tragedy, everybody wants to help. is there anything they can do to help? >> number one, pray for the families. this is going to be a long road for them. i'm a registered nurse myself and hearing about all these injuries i know -- the community does have some fund raising going on through the united way. if you could share that with your listeners today as well. >> wisconsin state representative sarah rodriguez. thank you for your time tonight. i'm sorry about you and what your community are going through. >> much more tonight, thanks for staying with us. staying with us. you'll find a better life. it all starts with the most innovative technology.
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then i will show you something else. the building is at 40 wall street in new york city and manhattan it's owned by the trump organization. about a decade ago, they claimed officially that this is one of the most valuable buildings in new york city. it's worth $527 million, more than half a billion dollars. a few months later, the trump organization said officially the same building worth half a billion dollars is actually worse less than $17 million. over the course of just a few months the buildings value dropped a lesson one 30th of what it had to spend just a few weeks ago. magic. headed the trump organization managed to own a business -- excuse me, a building, that was simultaneously one of the biggest buildings in new york while also being practically worthless in new york real
estate terms? how could that be? same building? when trump was trying to get alone, they want to look at something has begun valuable as possible so that potential lenders would offer them as big alone as possible. does this make our assets look? bail -- big? $527 million to try to get loans with that as something that was a positive on their asset sheet. a few months later was property tax officials asking them how much that same building was worth for tax purposes so they could figure out how much to text the building and that's when they said it was worth only 16 point $7 million. please use that number one calculating or texas. less than one 30th of the value it it should be. we just give this for another reason. these things are complicated. that's far from the only building that trump old the
stunts with. -- it happened with michael cohen claiming that trump inflated and deflated these values purposely to deceive banks and insurance companies and tax authorities. if it was done purposely, intentionally for that purpose, that would be criminal fraud. now we have new reporting from david fern hold his colleagues at the washington post about just how me -- into the potential fraud is. manhattan district attorney had a new grand jury recently to hear charges along this front. they also knew that new york -- tish james has been ongoing report on this as well. the post reporting out details about how they're going into digging into -- records from trump's california
golf club saying that's on california and she is the new york a.g. and her office has jurisdiction because trump was a new york resident at the time he was submitting different evaluations for that property. the office also asked for hundreds of pages of documents including on geology the rock reports layers under trump's under trump's golf golf court, because course. the value was affected by a history of landslides. talking about digging deep to get to the bottom of this stuff. joining us now is washington post reporter, and contributor, david fahrenthold, it's very nice to see. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me on. >> so when a new grand jury was convened in the new york da's investigation of these matters. i think that gave a lot of people a sort of vague sense that there might be a new line of inquiry. there might be a new potential case here. can you have any sense from your reporting about how far along that investigation is? >> well, as any investigation,
we are a little blind what we can see is that they have gone very very deep. into these properties where they think trump is distorting the value of the property. giving really high evaluation to someone, and really low evaluation. these things are always a little bit subjective, but i think the a.g., and in the air are trying to do, is what facts can we establish. what is not subjective about this. and in this case, that means learning about one of the rock layers in the scope california, because trump was claiming in one venue that he can build dozens of houses in that land. and another venue claiming that he couldn't build anything. what was the truth? what was he really a lot to do? what was it possible to do there? so they seem to have gone very very deep on. it be so few properties were, because of public records or something else, i can see what they are doing. it does seem pretty far along. that, said there's a lot of questions to be answered before you can file criminal charges. i don't know how close they are to answering those questions about intent. >> ever since mr. cohen had
these types of allegations about trump in particular -- in that sort of blockbuster open hearing in congress, and other financial reporters along the way have described the simpler times of actions by trump over the, years i feel like those of us on the outside of it have sort of wondered, will how much of this is just normal criminal seeming misbehavior by people in the real estate business? but they all do this. and how much is this outside of the norms and potentially over the line in terms of criminality? i was struck by the expert who you quoted today in your piece an expert for our -- worked for 50 years and look to these different evaluations and, said i have never seen anything with a gap that extreme. that was the first assessment i had seen from somebody who really seems to know what they are talking about the state, that is not like other people in the business too. this might be over the line. >> yes that's right. you, obviously real estate is a degree of subjectivity, but we talk of the successors, we say different people might see the same property differently.
but there may be a ten or 15% difference. that's it. that's as far as it would normally. go in this case, as you said, in the opening, the difference was that wants the high numbers was 30 times higher than the low number. everybody we talked to did in assessment saying the same. there is a gap. gaps are expected. this is far beyond what we have seen over the norm. >> david, i want to ask you also about another scoop that you had just tonight. about the national republican party paying some of trump's legal bills. when i first saw the headline. when i actually first saw your tweet referencing the headline i thought, the rnc putting some of trump's legal bill doesn't sound that weird, so i jump to the conclusion that it was about stuff when he was president. but what you've discovered, is that they're explicitly paying's legal fees from stuff that is related just to his personal liability around his business misbehavior. allegedly before was president. they are paying his legal fees for him to defend himself, for example, in this investigation from the new york attorney general and the new york da's
office? >> that is right. it has nothing to do with what he did as president. he has nothing to do with this career or his campaign. his career as a politician. either it all predicts. that and the rnc's explanation is, well, these are democrats and they're off to get trump so he is a leader of our party we have to defend. to think about this, trump has spent the last seven months, eight months in this massive campaign work chess for himself. more than 100 million dollars in his political campaign. and he still campaign's own legal. bills and then the rnc to support the bill for a single bill. so it is really an incredible example of the capture trump still has over the rnc. this many months out of office. >> well, imagine you are like a small time republican donor and you just learned that actually what your party is paying for is for trump to deal with the defense of devaluation of his golf course. from before he was president. it's just amazing. washington post reporter, david fahrenthold, -- think you so much for your time tonight, it's incredible reporting on both fences, thank
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in the trial of three white men who were accused of killing an unarmed black man who was jogging in his own neighborhood. a man name ahmaud arbery, state prosecutors argued today that the three men who shot ahmaud arbery did so, quote, because he was a black man running down their street. for its part, the defenses claim from the beginning that the shooting didn't have anything to do with race. the defenses tried for week to make aubry staff's own fall, to claim that the defendants had no choice but to defend themselves by chasing down and shooting an unarmed man who was in seem to be committing any crimes. but he might have been committing crimes that they can see. that is one of the defense argued.
yet again today, that proved very upsetting to the family of mr. arbery. >> turning ahmaud aubry into a victim after the choices that he made doesn't reflect the reality of what's brought ahmaud arbery to -- he has khaki shorts, with no shaw to cover his long 30 -- >> ahmaud arbery's mother actually left the courtroom after that comment was made by defense counsel, they reported that she left abruptly, almost tripping over people in the courtroom. she was so upset over that statement of her son. members of the aubry family have been sitting in the courtroom during this trial. they have often invited pastors to support them, including some well-known ministers, including -- and jackson. pastors like that and others have sat with the arbery family, with mr. arbery's mothers, and
she has listen to testimony, like that one made today about her son. but nearly every time african american pastors have been there to support her, one of the defense attorneys, kevin, got have had something to say about it. they have lived there called for the court to banned black pastors, just black ones from the courtroom. it was not a misstatement, he has made that claim several times. he is also called for the judge to keep track of their presence in the courtroom, multiple, times they have called for a missed shot on the basis of their presence. the judges denied these motions every time. >> we don't want any more black pastors coming in here, or other jesse jackson, whoever was in her earlier this week, sitting with the victims family, trying to influence the jury in this case. i certainly don't mean to suggest that i'll shartner, or jesse jackson, or any other pastor belongs with a mob, but at the same time, we are talking about organized behavior by whoever outside of the courthouse, leading up to this case. we have all these community leaders, fearful, that the city
is going to bring. down still, third parties or influenced in this case have been doing it from the gallery of this courtroom, they have been doing it outside. this is why a public lynching looks like in the 21st century. with all due respect. they don't have to have 10,000 people outside. they don't have to have 100,000 people outside. perception is reality. just because they haven't put a gallery -- a podium outside with a hanging sign on it, doesn't mean that this isn't a trial despite the best efforts of this court. this is a trial that has been infected by mob violence of a woke left mob. we have now got people claiming to be violent driving around the courthouse with coffins with their clients name on it, with fully automatic weapons. i am not sure that this is any longer a figurative mob. this is a literal mob. >> people out there were fully automatic weapons?
machine guns in the streets, really? a literal mob? today that defense attorney, again, demanded a mistrial. nearly every time black people have been inside that courtroom or outside the courtroom supporting the aubry family, the defense counsel has denounced it as intimidating and grounds for a mistrial. the judge has denied those requests repeatedly, but why has he kept trying every single day. why has this language in making those missile demands every single day became more and more racially provocative. what is the endgame here? joining us now is charles coleman, he is a former brooklyn new york prosecutor, and civil rights attorney, he is watching this trial very closely, thank you very much for being here. >> thanks for having me rachel. >> so i am not a lawyer. i have just been watching this as a layman, among with everybody else in the country. and the first day that the defense attorney make this case for a mistrial, focusing on black pastors, i thought that it was a misstatement, i
thought that it was a weird mistake. it clearly wasn't a mistake. this appears to be a strategy about the defense council. is it one that makes any sense to you as an attorney? as somebody who has seen these kind of trials before. >> from the technical aspect of the trial, what you are looking at is the defense attorney attempting to create a record for appeal. what he is trying to do is basically put on the record anything that he can around this issue, in order to kind of reserve that record so that when and if his client is convicted, he will have the deal. but i think there's a broader conversation to be had. ultimately, when the -- is not decide, you resulted these tactics as a hail mary. to the lowest common denominator as we have seen in that jury. people have to understand that one of the first rules of being a child attorney is understanding your audience, you have to know your audience. and at this, point what you have seen from the defense attorney is not just him, but also the defensive attorney
today is the decision to put down the whisper and the dog whistle and pick up the bullhorn. and that is what you saw when you saw jordan mcmichael's defense attorney today literally make references to ahmaud aubry, that described him almost as a runaway slave. y slave. -- mitigated by the defense and i believe there aiming to trigger something that was -- so they can get somebody who's a holdout and get a hung jury. they only need one. they don't need everybody to be on the same page just in one a hung jury and he walks. >> is it also possible that what they are trying to do is trigger such outrage? such upset? such public revulsion at the sort of racially charged stuff that you are describing there
that they do create some side of environment outside the courtroom that the judge might be moved to think is gonna have an effect on the case so that they might people do so in upset people to bring an environment around the case to be able to be called on inside the courtroom as a way that will be beneficial to these defendants? it strikes me that mr. gough, whether smarter tierney or not, he knows what he's doing as he's been escalating this rhetoric with every passing day. >> he's been quite intense. we sublimation is to be heard with their attorneys. they know they are trying to answer a call, put out a call for the opposite. 100 black pastors show up in support of this family in order to console and comfort them. it works to advocate for justice. he is putting out a not so veiled call for the opposite to show up and tried to balance
the scales in any way that can -- change this trial. changes the scope of the environment or as you said, potentially to the judge he becomes concerned about the environment and is potentially willing to grant a mistrial. >> charles f. coleman junior, mr. coleman a pleasure to have you with us as this jury gets the case tomorrow just the spotlight is gonna be all the more intense it's helpful to have your clarity. thank you. >> we will be right back, stay with us. , stay with us.
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before we go, it has been over a year since i last spoke with former secretary of state, hillary clinton. since, then she has been helping the effort to be back out wrist remain in afghanistan, after the rose drawl of troops in that country. she is also out with a first novel. a quite good political thriller, called state of terror, that she wrote with louise penny. since i already read everything louise penny writes that is an easy one for me to get there. it's kind of amazing. but secretary of state, hillary clinton, is going to join me here live, at 9 pm tomorrow night. it's my first interview with, or since the 2020 election, and everything in between. really looking forward to that. i will see you then. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, >> good evening rachel. i know i'll be doing at 9:00 tomorrow, watching you would secretary clinton. there is a lot of ground to cover now. yes, i mean, i sort of can't believe that i