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just as democrats were poised to bring the bill to a vote last night, mccarthy stood up and started talking, and talking, and talking. in fact, he didn't stop talking until just a few hours ago, 5:10 a.m., to be exact. his 8 hour, 32 minutes speech was a record, touching on subjects from his desire for a tesla to analysis of the famed painting washington crossing the delaware. but in the end, it was just a delay tactic. this vote is expected to pass and send the build back better bill to the united states senate. what happens there of course is a whole other story. i want to dig deeper, nbc's leann caldwell and garrett haake are on capitol hill after a very long night for them as well. chief white house correspondent kristen welker joins me from the north lawn. good to see all of you. i understand we're all operating on not quite a lot of sleep. garrett, it took a while, but it does finally seem like it's going to happen, right?
>> reporter: it certainly does, and look, chris, this bill has seen more versions than the taylor swift hit "all too well," this thing has been going back and forth for months now. i had to work it in. i had to try. look, there's been such a battle over this bill. we have seen it cut down in size. we have seen provisions added and subtracted. we have seen lots of late nights and votes that looked like they were going to happen, and now we are on the cusp of what should be the final vote in the house, but only the final vote for now because this bill does still face other obstacles in the senate. house leaders know they will have to deal with it again, but it's enormous relief for democratic leadership to have corralled all of their votes, except it appears perhaps for one democrat who's likely to vote against this bill, and advance it to the next stage. you cannot overstate how big this bill is for democrats. they believe it will be transformative for the country, and they can now survive and advance and continue to move it forward after so much turmoil. >> we're going to talk about the move forward, but leann, i have
to ask you for a minute about kevin mccarthy. he was never begun to change the outcome. what was going on there? >> reporter: yeah, well, chris, he did set the record for speaking the longest amount of time on the house floor. he beat speaker pelosi's record by a few minutes. i will say, speaker pelosi when she did it a few years ago, she was wearing 4 inch heels the entire time, but mccarthy went to the floor, not knowing that he was going to speak so long. he ended up speaking for more than eight hours in what only leadership is able to do, and what they call magic minutes around here, minutes that can last as long as leaders want them to last, and he hit on topics ranging from eating carrots, to nods to the former president, attacking the current president, president biden, comparing him to jimmy carter, so what this really was, this was a show of strength, a show of might for those in his party. remember, his ultimate goal is to win back the house in 2022,
and then to be elected speaker of the house shortly after that. and so this is an attempt to unite his party, keep them together, and show his members that he is willing to do what it takes in order to oppose the minority party but i will say real quickly, it just shows there is such little respect for kevin mccarthy in that room from democrats. people are fed up, especially democrats, with how he is running the republican party, and it really showed last night . >> we heard some shouts from democrats in the middle of his long and rambling speech. so the white house has to be thrilled that the bill is finally coming to the floor for a vote, but we have been hearing the president say for weeks this bill would be fully paid for, which is not exactly what the cbo said yesterday. >> reporter: it's not what the cbo said, chris, in fact, according to the findings, the bill would add more than $300 billion to the deficit.
now, that doesn't include the more than $200 billion that would be brought in in revenue, but the bottom line, those types of figures are going to spook moderate holdouts like senator joe manchin who's really going to be key to getting this passed in the senate. so if, in fact, this does pass the house today, then of course it moves to the senate, and the question is will it look at all like it looks like right now in the house? we know that joe manchin doesn't like, for example, the paid leave provision, and he's concerned about frankly any new spending, given that we're seeing record inflation right now. he was just asked, chris, yesterday, about these figures and his response, and would this hold up his support for build back better, and he didn't answer directly, and garrett and leann know a whole lot better than i do that we are used to those types of responses from joe manchin, keeping his cards close to the vest. the white house knows he's really going to be the lynch pin here, and you can expect there to be a robust outreach from
this administration and from democrats on the hill as they try to get him on board. again, chris, we can't stress this enough. it's going to be really up hill in the senate, and the final version will likely look a lot different if it does in fact pass through that other chamber. >> the minute the cbo score came out, garrett and i'm sure this is true of you, too my inbox was filled with e-mails from folks who didn't seem to be looking at the same cbo message because their take on it was very different. what should we make of the fact the democrats are willing to believe the cost of the bill but not necessarily when it comes to what the irs can bring in. explain to us where this division happens? >> reporter: even the cbo says they can't as reliably as they do anything else, they cannot reliably estimate how much money the irs provisions in this bill will bring in. that's why you see that 367 in the red. they offer in the cbo report their best guess, which is they
think it can bring in about $200 billion. democrats, the white house, the treasury department think that number is actually close to 400. there are lots of technical reasons why they disagree on this. i won't bore you with all of them, but the bottom line is the white house and the treasury department think that provision will simply be more effective. now, this debate's been going on for quite some time, long before actually we were even talking about it in this bill because originally these tax provisions were part of how they were going to pay for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this discussion has been going on for quite a long time, which is why democrats weren't surprised to see these numbers, though they may still be disappointed by them. i'll leave this as a possibility we may see in the senate. one of the provisions that was added back was paid family leave. costs about $200 billion. this is something that joe manchin does not support in this bill. you take this out as joe manchin might, all of a sudden this bill is back in the black by either estimate. i'm looking for that possibility when the bill moves to the
senate. >> let's go back to that when it moves to the senate, something garrett said and you touched on, what are the chances it gets through at least somewhat close to as is? >> reporter: yeah, there is going to be changes. it's not only the paid family leave provision. there's also a lot of concern about the state and local tax deduction that cap on that. the provision in the house that there's a lot of democrats in the senate who don't like it because the wealthiest who make over a million dollars are going to see a big tax cut because of that. that's another change that could happen and another change that could actually impact the cost analysis. of course there's the paid family leave. there's the immigration provisions that are in the house bill that would provide millions of undocumented immigrants temporary legal status. that is very well likely going to be stripped out in the senate, and so there are going to be changes. while this is a big moment for the house today, it is by far
from being done. it has to be amended, debated, and what could be a very tenuous debate over in the senate, chris. >> so garrett, what exactly will you be looking for, not just from joe manchin, but obviously from kyrsten sinema. >> reporter: it's interesting, if you asked me this question yesterday, i thought sinema was on board, the fact that she was at the white house, meant she and the white house were totally simpatico with what was going on on this bill. overnight, "the washington post" published an interview with sinema who said there are changes in the house version that were not in the framework with what she agreed to with the president. sinema, more so than manchin has been deliberate about not speaking about her concerns in public. it's possible she's just referring to the paid leave provision, which i already talked about. if she has other issues, particularly on the taxing side here, we're getting really touch and go here about making sure this bill is anything
approaching fully paid for, and that could be problematic for democrats, too. the provisions around state and local tax deductions are one area we know the senate is talking about making changes. i'm watching for all of thes those issues to bubble up over the month of december when the senate is working on this. >> what are we hearing from the white house? obviously joe biden has a long relationship with joe manchin, he certainly has not been shy about giving face time to the two key senators. how engaged do we expect him to be in the days going forward, and how optimistic is the white house right now? >> reporter: the key question, when the infrastructure bill was in its final phases, the president and the administration got some criticism from members of the democratic party who felt the president wasn't engaged enough. and so we saw in those final days and final hours, he really ramped up his engagement and so it's against that backdrop that
we think about this process. as it heads to the senate, and i think there's going to be an immense amount of pressure to be working the phones, bringing lawmakers here to the white house to have those conversations in person. i also think, chris, there's going to be a full court press to explain and sell the infrastructure law which passed of course last week with the white house needing to explain to americans what this sweeping piece of legislation that they just passed is going to do and how it's going to impact their lives, and of course the president has been arguing that with this record inflation passing something like infrastructure will increase jobs, will add to the economy's recovery, and so i think that's going to be the challenge to do both at the same time, both sell the infrastructure bill, and continue to stay very engaged in these negotiations behind the scenes, chris. >> and it looks like they're just wrapping up the procedural vote. we're going to stay on the breaking news with the house
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let's go back to the breaking news on capitol hill right now where the house is voting finally on that build back better bill. nbc's leann caldwell is there for us. how many members stayed long enough to vote. >> reporter: in these covid times, members can vote remotely, we are seeing some of that, mostly on the republican side but the chamber is packed. our producer who's in the chamber right now is telling me
democrats are likely to stay through the end of the vote because they are going to want to cheer, when the vote has passed. of course it hasn't passed right now. we are watching closely what the vote tally is. it needs 218 votes. we did get one significant development. there was a group of moderates, that we were a little unclear how they were going to vote. democrats can only lose three democrats in order for this bill still to pass, one of those democrats who has been on the fence about how they are going to vote, ed case, from hawaii, he just voted and he voted yes. so this is a very good sign that most in the democratic party are going to be on board. the only no vote we know of at this moment is jared golden, from a very tough district in maine. but he might be the only defector, especially if ed case, a very difficult member who is having a difficult, you know, he was discussing and contemplating
not voting for this came out and did vote yes. >> so right now, 165 yeses, they need 218, leigh ann. keep us posted. we want to get to more breaking news on the covid front. the fda signed off on pfizer and moderna's vaccine booster for all adults 18 and older. it comes at a critical point in the pandemic with cases jumping again in many parts of the country, especially among the unvaccinated. joining me now, dr. peter hotez. always good to see you, doctor. winter is coming, cases are ticking off. now that the fda has signed off, the critical question is should every adult get a booster. >> the answer is very obvious, chris, the answer is yes. we have spoken about this before, the two mrna vaccine from pfizer, and moderna, were always three dose vaccines. we knew this when we gave the
first two doses together, there would be waning immunity, it was a matter of time before a third dose was required. unfortunately it was not necessarily always mentioned that way, and discussed that way from washington, d.c. but that was always the case, and the good news is that third immunization, what that does is it really jacks up your virus neutralizing antibodies, strengthens, tc responses and gives you more durable protection as well. my hope is although it may not be one and done and two and done, it could be three and done, and based on some other vaccines that we give to kids, i'm hopeful, but we don't know for sure that we will not need annual boosters, that this could be it for a few years potentially. that's the hope. the reason we need to do this is because we are seeing breakthrough hospitalizations and quite a number of breakthrough infections, and i think the third immunization, based on the data, some modeling
from the university of california santa cruz suggests that we can now prevent fully those hospitalizations and may stop infection, and if enough americans get three doses, then we could even halt transmission of the virus. >> there are a number of political leaders frustrated waiting for this decision. we saw a number of states, where i live in new york city, the decision was made, if you're an adult and you want a booster you can get it. here's what connecticut governor ned lamont said when he was asked about this yesterday. >> cdc, i can't understand who's eligible, if you haven't been vaccinated or, you know, more than six months, now is the time to get the booster. >> and we also saw dr. ashish jha our colleague write about the mixed messaging on boosters. we got a clear message about an hour ago. are you worried the damage, the
confusion is there. >> the states made the right decision medically, but the optics of the states jumping the gun with the cdc and fda were pretty horrible. we're finally getting to the right decision. i think all of this could have been circumvented if beginning in january we said this is likely going to be a three-dose vaccine, which is what i always expressed and hopefully now we'll come to the right decision. now there's going to have to be a bit of a campaign to explain the need for it because we're already hearing, you know, some high profile individuals saying they're not going to get a booster, and that's really unfortunate because this was always a three-dose vaccine. >> a lot of folks are asking this question, and i know it's broad, but give us your best big picture advice, what should people think about, how should they plan as we all get ready for the holidays? >> well, keep in mind, chris, that the next wave of covid-19 unfortunately is on its way. we were hoping to avoid it to get enough people vaccinated.
it's not the case. we have now exceeded 100,000 new cases today. it's revving up first for the current wave and up in the upper midwest, michigan, wisconsin, minnesota, it's probably going to engulf the entire nation. i think that's a real possibility, so the bottom line is if you're meeting with individuals and gathering for thanksgiving and then christmas, number one, you would like everybody fully vaccinated who's eligible. that's the first point. second point is remember the goal post for what fully vaccinated means has moved to three doses, and try to get three doses into everyone who's taken the two mrna or two of the j&j vaccine, and try to minimize the size of the gatherings, and if and you can, and the better ventilated room, the better. and if you follow those rules, most people can get through a pretty safe thanksgiving holiday. >> doctor, it's always good to see you. thank you very much, appreciate it. have a great weekend. we've also got other
breaking news overnight. austria is going back to full covid lock down on monday, and will mandate vaccines next year. that makes them the first european nation to require them. it comes amid growing concerns that europe could see a fourth wave across the continent. claudio has the latest for us. >> you have to consider that austria is a big country in western europe that's been the hardest hit by the fourth wave of the pandemic. why? because first of all, because it is in western europe one of the lowest vaccination rates which is stuck at 66%. compare that to vaccination rates in neighboring countries, for instance, italy where i am right now, which stands at about 80% the vaccination rate. it also has the highest infection rate, and that is the
reason why recently, the chancellor told the unvaccinated they should stay home unless they have an essential reason to go out. now it has extended to the whole of the nation started from monday for ten days in order to, they are going to lock down in order to stop or slow down the fourth wave of the pandemic. >> claudio lavagna in rome for us as he continues to keep an eye on what's happening in europe. right now, we're watching the house floor where lawmakers are voting now on the build back better bill. you see the totals now, the yeas at 185 out of the 218 they need. we'll take you back to the house next. e 218 they need. we'll take you back to the house next (chloe) wireless family plans save you money, but then you have to deal with family. (aunt 1) chloe... (aunt 2) still single, dear?
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cost analysis before they voted for it. they also were the ones who were the reason the bill was delayed an additional two weeks until final passage into that cbo score was released. but those members, those moderates who voted for it include representative spanberger of virginia, remember, there was a very tough virginia election just a couple of weeks ago where democrats lost in that state. ed case, who i mentioned before, of hawaii, a curt schrader of oregon, another moderate democrat who was not expected to vote for the legislation until a couple of days ago. the party is united. this is a big win for house democrats. they have only lost one democrat so far, jared golden of maine, so this is going to be a very unified party moving forward as this bill heads over to the senate. i will say, chris, that elissa
slotkin of michigan, she is someone who was kind of this person that we didn't expect to have issues with this legislation. she met with the white house officials last night to talk about it. she was having concerns. she's going to face a very difficult reelection next year in her swing district, and she put out a statement, and she says that she's confident that this bill will be paid for over the lifetime of the bill but also noted one of the concerns she has with this legislation, and that is immigration. there has been concern among moderates voting for the immigration, legalization components of the bill when it's very likely going to be stripped out of the senate, and that part might not become law. she noted her frustration with that, but ultimately she voted yes, and it is going to be a big vote for democrats once it's finally gavelled. >> tantalizingly close. 194 votes now, again, of the 218. then give us a time line.
as this moves toward the senate, what are we looking at here, leigh ann? >> yeah, the house is leaving town today, and they're pretty much done. they will have washed their hands of this bill for now, anyway. for at least a few weeks. it heads over to the senate. the senate is also gone. they won't be back until after thanksgiving. and it's going to get extremely complicated in the senate, chris, and the reason is because there are special rules that they are having to pass this legislation through. the reason is because they don't want the 60 vote threshold, you need republicans. it's going to be a process where this bill is amended and debated and lots of late nights of votes, and we don't know what this bill is going to look like at the end of it, chris. >> leigh ann caldwell, i know you're keeping a close eye on it for us. meanwhile, the jury in the double homicide trial of kyle rittenhouse begins a fourth day of deliberations in wisconsin. possible unrest awaiting a verdict. with five local schools moving
all classes to virtual learning. let's go right to gabe gutierrez at the courthouse in kenosha. we saw the late development yesterday, a juror asking the judge to take the jury instructions home. get us up to speed on what's happening. >> reporter: yeah, that is a development that happened yesterday with jurors going home after their third day of deliberation, and one of those jurors asking to take jury instructions home. we know from reporting inside the courtroom that the defense attorney was walking around, stressed and bored, trying to kill time while we wait for the verdict. you mentioned kenosha on edge waiting for any potential verdict, but we just don't know, have any indication whether the jurors are any closer to a decision or whether perhaps we could be heading to a hung jury. we just don't know. the only time we heard from the judge at length yesterday was of course when he came and spoke about the incident and barred
msnbc from the courtroom. kenosha police earlier in the morning had released a statement saying that a person who identified himself with a national media outlet was suspected of taking pictures of the jurors. the judge came in and addressed the situation. he said that the person had identified themselves as a producer with nbc and msnbc, and he called it a very serious matter. now, the network releasing a statement saying that while the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact jurors during deliberations and never photographed or intended to photograph, we regret the incident and will fully cooperate with any investigation. back to you. >> thank you so much for that, gabe. let's go to georgia now because closing arguments are set to begin monday there in the trial of three white men charged with chasing and gunning down ahmaud arbery while he was jogging. the defense resting its case after less than two days, ending abruptly on thursday after
defendant travis mcmichael took the stand for a second straight day, testifying that arbery did not threaten him, didn't speak at all, that arbery never showed a weapon before he raised his shotgun and fatally shot the 25-year-old black man. >> didn't threaten you in any way? >> no. >> didn't verbally threaten you? >> not verbally, no. >> let's go to catie beck at the courthouse in brunswick. what are we looking for in closing arguments after that key testimony yesterday? >> reporter: well, yeah, chris, that was definitely the top of the mountain in this case, sort of climactic moments on the stand as travis mcmichael faced the prosecution's tough questions about a time line of events that led up to the fatal shooting of ahmaud arbery. as you can hear in the exchange, what prosecutors were trying to do is get mcmichael to answer yes or no questions about the actual threat arbery was posed to him. he says he felt he was threatened, he says he shot
arbery in self-defense after they tussled over the shotgun. what prosecutors asked, was he armed, did he show that he had a knife or gun, what were the exchanges like. mcmichael stopped several times to confront arbery about what he was doing, and arbery repeatedly said nothing and continued in a different direction, away from mr. mcmichael. is it possible that you could have stayed in your vehicle and just trailed behind rather than get out of the vehicle, which he had to answer yes. that was possible. prosecutors trying to paint a narrative that mcmichael was the aggressor and this was an unnecessary incident to occur. mcmichael contending he was making a citizen's arrest, and this was completely illegal. here's another exchange from the stand where prosecutors are just bearing down on the fact that he could have left the scene and didn't. >> so you're telling this jury that a man who has spent five minutes running away from now, you're now thinking is somehow
going to want to continue to engage with you, someone with a shotgun, and your father, a man who's just said, stop or i'll blow your. [ bleep ] head off by trying to get into their truck? >> that's what it shows, yes, ma'am. >> reporter: all three defendants in this case are charged the exact same. will the jury give back different verdicts for different defendants, that is going to be the question. and in this case, we are going to probably see opening arguments on monday. the judge might shed clarity on that today, though the jury is not here. it's just a conference between lawyers to discover what will be next moving forward in the case. >> katie, thank you so much, all eyes will be there on monday. joining us now danielle cohen higgins, the miami decade county commissioner. good to see you. i want to pave more of the crucial testimony during travis mcmichael's cross-examination. listen. >> he did not threaten me verbally, no. >> all right. didn't brandish any weapons?
>> no, ma'am. >> didn't pull out any guns. >> no, ma'am. >> didn't pull out any knife? >> no, ma'am. >> never reached for anything, did he? >> no. >> he just ran? >> yes, he was just running. >> reporter: -- >> so you're a long time defense attorney, is that a perfect example of why most defense attorneys don't want to put their client on the stand? >> that is the perfect example of why most defense attorneys do not want their client taking the stand. in this instance, i would assume and imagine that travis mcmichael demanded that he take the stand thinking that he was going to do himself favors, that he was going to help himself in this instance, and clearly after two days of testimony, it is clear that travis mcmichael did not help himself and did not help his case. and those defense attorneys, sheffield and reuben will have an incredible up hill battle now on closing arguments on monday morning trying to convince this
jury that his client was acting in self-defense. >> yeah, so what are you going to be looking for because clearly the prosecutor laid out what i think is going to be the heart of her closing argument, which is this point by point recitation of what happened and the fact that in his own words, the defendant, at least one of the three defendants says didn't get threatened, no knife, no gun, nothing. the guy was running away from him many times. never said anything let alone anything threatening. so what can the defense say? >> again, this is going to be very very tough, and i'm going to play devil's advocate here, but i have very little to advocate for. there is very little evidence right now, and the case is now closed, both sides have rested to support that travis mcmichael was in genuine fear of his life and safety. the only avenue that the defendants have to argue is what was in travis mcmichael's mind at that time. they will argue that he was in
genuine fear of his life because he felt like ahmaud arbery was going to access his weapon. the problem of course is the circumstances that led up to that moment in time where he may have felt that his life was threatened and why, in fact, did travis mcmichael provoke the situation. why did he follow ahmaud arbery, when ahmaud arbery did nothing to provoke the situation. there were no threats coming from ahmaud arbery, in travis mcmichael's own words, he was quote unquote, just running. it's going to be an up hill battle for defense attorneys. i think that travis mcmichael too long the stand on his own demand, and i would assume against the advice of counsel. >> danielle cohen higgins, thank you so much. we're going to take a quick break. up next, we're going to go back to capitol hill because the house is on the break of passing the build back better bill. er sm your body wash? try olay body wash with skincare super ingredient collagen!
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process to get to this point. remember, there's a very slim margin of democrats in the house. they could only lose three democrats. it looks as of now, they only lost one democrat. and they hit that magic number of 218. now, this bill has been shaped and changed and amended many many times. remember, it started at $3.5 trillion. it's now about $1.75 trillion. 1.85 if you include the immigration components, and this vote was supposed to happen three times before. speaker pelosi said she was going to bring it to the floor. only having to pull it because she did not the votes. now all of the information is in. the cbo cost analysis, all the concerns of the democrats have been alleviated, and ultimately, there was electoral politics at play as well. this is after a very tough election for democrats in
virginia, and other places around the country. and the party realized they had to be united. their individual concerns had to be met, and they were able to do it. speaker pelosi got these votes once again in a very difficult attempt to pass this massive legislation filled with democratic priorities, including more than half a trillion dollars for climate change initiatives, and family care provisions, the list goes on and on, chris. >> meantime, shannon pettypiece is at the white house for us and as is often the case for politics, maybe you can celebrate for a minute or two, but the reality still looms in the senate. talk about what you're hearing from folks at the white house now? >> reporter: well, and this was a victory the white house had hoped to get last night. they kept reporters here late in anticipation the president might make some remarks but of course finally getting that victory, as you alluded to, a long road still ahead, this has to get through the senate where senate joe manchin has raised a lot of concerns with elements of this bill, so you know, when the
battle, the war continues, though, i will say one important note, chris, while all of this is happening, the president is undergoing his routine physical at walter reid and as part of that, he is going to have to go under anesthesia for a routine colonoscopy, and as the constitution lays out, that means that temporarily he's going to be transferring power to the vice president who is working from the west wing while the president undergoes that procedure. so a big moment for the president. he at walter reid undergoing this physical. certainly we anticipate the president could make some remarks today and a very significant moment for him in the white house. >> while we wait for him, and again, you know, pretty typical thing when you go in for a routine procedure for that temporary transfer of power. let's talk about what white house officials are telling you about their strategy moving forward in the senate. >> reporter: you know, it seems like it's going to look a lot like what their strategy was to get this infrastructure bill through. it's going to be back and forth.
it's going to be a lot of meetings. it's going to be a lot of compromise. they are signaling there's going to be compromise, and you have actually heard that from the president in his remarks when he talked about the passage of the infrastructure bill that not everyone is going to get what they want, they're going to have to come together, people are going to have to make concessions, but in the end of the day, the white house goal is to show that something is better than nothing, and that democrats, while it might not always be pretty can get something done, and that is going to be key to their sales pitch in 2022 as they hope to maintain control of the house and senate in the midterm elections next year. >> tell us procedurally what's happening now on the floor. >> reporter: the vote passed but still not everyone has voted just yet, and so they're still waiting for some final votes to come down. remember, people who can vote remotely because of covid, so people are voting for the members who are not here. but ultimately this bill is
sealed in the house, anyway, and from the house floor i'm pretty sure hailey talbot has great color. she's in the chamber. she's a hero for staying up all night last night. she hasn't slept in about 30 hours. speaker pelosi was hugging democratic members. >> let me interrupt you for a second because here's speaker pelosi. it's passed. [ cheering and applause ] [ cheering and applause ]
>> so speaker pelosi stepping down after saying that it passed, and you heard the cheering, and leigh ann caldwell, this certainly was never going to be easy, but we've said this before, and i'm sure we'll say it again in the future, you underestimate nancy pelosi at your peril. >> reporter: right. yeah, and the jubilance from house democrats right now, literally jumping up and down on the house floor in a huddle, clapping, hollering. >> oh, yeah, they're going to all be running on this. >> reporter: oh, yeah, this is really good for them, and they stayed united, and you know in life when things are difficult,
when you finally succeed, it's that much better, and that's how democrats feel right now. it was a hard road to get here. it almost fell apart many many times, but they did it. they were able to pass the president's agenda. they were able to pass things in this bill that, you know, they have been trying to get for decades. paid family leave, you know, assistance for child care, an extension of the child tax credit, which i will say, the problem with the child tax credit before was that the poorest americans didn't have access to it because they didn't pay taxes. in this bill, the poorest americans, even if they don't pay taxes will still get access to that child tax credit. so, you know, the climate change provisions, there's so much in this bill that democrats have been fighting for for so long. this is a really big moment, the progressives were on the floor cheering. representative alexandria ocasio-cortez hugged sheila jackson lee, another progressive. there's so much excitement from
democrats, even though the reality is that it's not done yet. it has to go to the senate, and where it will be changed and it could come back to the house in a different version. but for now, this is a very big moment for the democratic party, and a very big moment for speaker pelosi. you know, many think that this is her last term as speaker, this is her last term in the house of representatives, and this is legacy building for her. this is something that these measures are things that she has been trying to do for many many years throughout her career, and she was able to do it. she was able to unify her party, and she got the votes, and she got it done, chris. >> yeah, and i mean, i was in virginia for five, six days, and obviously this all came both this and the infrastructure bill came too late for terry mcauliffe and a lot of democrats in virginia, but clearly one of the things that a lot of folks said when i talked to them going into the polls was the democrats had not delivered. they made promises and they
didn't deliver. no republican voted for this, right, so this is going to draw clear lines on the campaign trail for 2022. >> reporter: very clear lines, and republicans think this is a loser. they think this is an electoral loser, they have made that an loser. they have made that bet and that's how they voted. but democrats think this is the opposite. they think this is exactly what voters want. that they need help. that they need more money in their pocketbooks. that they are concerned about climate change. that these are things that will help voters and they are betting that this is going to help them, even though the electoral climate does not look great at this moment. of course, they're a year away, the election. so they are hoping that people start to feel the impacts of this legislation, once it is passed, once it's passed by the senate and signed into law by the president, they think that will help and motivate voters, especially those independent suburban voters, who some of them are struggling to pay for
child care who need paid family leave, whose parents are in assisted living and they would rather have them home and this legislation, they could get assistance for home-based health care for the elderly. so there's just so much in this bill, but speaker pelosi, part of merge to her members throughout this whole thing was the party has to stay united. you're going to be tied to president biden regardless of what happens next year's midterms, and so it's better to be on the same side, fight as a united front, do something, what they say is good for the american people. and the chips will fall. republicans, they think that this bill is going to be very bad. they think it's going to lead to more inflation, and they are going to message the heck out of it, as well. you heard kevin mccarthy all night calling this a socialist piece of legislation, and that's how democrats are going to frame this, and how they're going to run on it, chris -- i'm sorry, republicans. >> yeah. and shannon, let's pick up on
the messaging. because there was a lot of criticism of democrats, that they were all over the place on the messaging, that they hadn't found something that could counter what republicans have said, which is that you're building this big black hole of something that you can't pay for. i imagine we'll get a preview of how the white house views this if we hear from the president a little later on today. >> yes, and i think, again, to look at the strategy they're deploying around this infrastructure bill, the president has been going around the country, trying to make the effects of that bill very tangible to people, going to a specific bridge in new hampshire, talking about how this bridge will be replaced because of what we did and why this bridge needs to be replaced. going to a specific gm plant in detroit, saying, this bill is going to help create union jobs here at this plant, making electric vehicles, because of the thing that bill does. so to get away from what we saw over the summer, the discussions about the price tag and the process and the infighting, and to get into the specifics. and the white house is going to
have, at least democrats strategists think, an easier time selling this bill to the public than the infrastructure bill. because while the infrastructure bill is very popular, the top issues on people's mind, when you look at polls, are not necessarily roads and bridges. it's child care and cost of living. and this bill addresses that a lot more directly than we saw with infrastructure. >> i want to bring in washington democratic congresswoman, pramila jayapal, chair of the progressive caucus. it's so good to have you here. thanks for rushing off the floor. look, i saw the statement that the caucus just put out. you called this transformational legislation that should deliver immediate tangible change. tell us about that change and what you think this vote means. >> well, i am so proud of democrats today. i'm so proud of president biden. we are delivering on universal child care, where most families are going to see their child care costs cut in half. we are delivering on universal pre-k. every 3 and 4-year-old across the country will get pre-k. we are delivering on housing. we are bringing down the cost of
housing and making the biggest federal investment in housing since our history. and we are taking on climate change and really cutting carbon emissions with half a trillion dollar investment in taking on climate change. we're also bringing down the cost of pharmaceutical drugs. families are going to see that they're going to be able to pay $35 for insulin instead of hundreds and hundreds of dollars for insulin. so we're cutting costs across the board. we're investing in our next generation. we're investing in our planet. we're investing in our immigrants. and it is a big day for the country as we move this bill one step closer. of course, the senate needs to do its job now, but i am confident we are going to get that done. >> let's talk about that, congresswoman. i know you wanted assurances from senators manchin and sinema before this bill happened, you didn't get them. how optimistic are you that it gets passed looking very much like it does now? >> i feel very good about this. you know, there was a framework
that was agreed to. the vast majority of this bill is pre-conferenced with senators manchin and sinema. i have had my own conversations with them, but this is again a place where president biden has shown tremendous leadership. he had those negotiations and that is why we ended up at the bill we ended up at. now, there are a few things that aren't pre-conference. we'll have to work those out. but i believe, through my conversations and with those senators, as well as the president's own commitment that he is confident that we can get 51 votes, we're going to get this done and get it done before christmas, hopefully in the first weeks of december, and people are going to see once again that government's got your back, that democrats in the house, the senate, and the white house delivered for them. >> we only have a minute left, but i do want to ask you about something the republicans keep talking about. that this bill the not paid for. the cbo said even with revenue from the irs, it could add $160 billion to the deficit. what's your response? >> well, first of all, it's
absolutely ludicrous that republicans would be levying that criticism at us, because don't forget, they passed a $2 trillion tax scam that increased the deficit -- by $2 trillion and put all of the benefits of that towards the top 1%. here, we know that the irs enforcement is going to make this bill completely paid for. the wealthiest and the biggest corporations are going to start paying their fair share. but the investment side is in working people, in poor people, in all americans, not the wealthiest. and i think that is a massive difference. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, congratulations, and thank you so much for rushing off the floor and coming to talk to us after the build back better bill passes the house today. thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. >> and that wraps up this hour. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. i am looking across the studio. jose diaz-balart is standing by. i haven't seen you literally in years. so excited. he's going to pick up the breaking news right after this.
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