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next. >> good day, everyone. this is andrea mitchell reports in washington. the democratic majority is about to punish arizona republicans. this after waiting for kevin mccarthy to take him to task and the threat against congresswoman andrea ocasio-cortez. a hand full of republicans may join the democratic majority in centuring them. the president is going to a gm electric vehicle company in detroit a day after he visited an ageing bridge in new hampshire. skeptics say it is up to states to decide how soon to put
shuffles in the ground on politics which means delays before people feel the benefits. the self proclaims qanon shaman was just sentenced to 41 months for his role in the capitol riot. we'll have a live report for the kyle ritenhouse trial. we begin this hour with weekend today co-host kristen welker, and ashley parker. why is this vote so important? >> we'll see the house floor open up momentarily. we will probably not see the actual vote on this centure
until later in the afternoon. they are with democrats on so many of these kinds of issues. we asked her why she felt it was so important to take this step today. >> it's an emergency, it's violence against women, it's workplace harassment. in terms of threatening a member of the united states and the president. we have to address it immediately and i'm so pleased that our members understand that this central to our work in congress that we protect the integrity of the house, of the institution, but also the lives of our men and women. outrageous on the part of the republican leader not to act upon this. >> you heard the speaker there want to make that point about the lack of action here. we have notenture in
this body in this decade. that will happen for the second time this year and democrats will argue it is in large part because republican leadership sat on their hands while members have said wild and sometimes violent things about other members. >> and the relationships are so toxic now it is really unprecedented. ashley parker, this is one of the problems facing kevin mccarthy. he is also being accused of not punishing them for the bipartisan infrastructure bill if is something new for washington. >> especially because when you think of infrastructure, this was a key legislative goal of former president trump. the punch line was every week under donald trump was
infrastructure week and there was always some sort of chaos or controversy. but the idea that 13 republicans that voted for something that is always bipartisan, and not just always bipartisan, but something that the previous president desperately wanted, he was still the de facto leader of the republican party, could lead to punishment gives a sense of how toxic things have become. and he is restoring, as he promised, bipartisan comedy do a governing body where it doesn't exist any more. >> the former president taking sides in all of this. giving the most extreme republican support, continuing to challenge the election, and punishing mccarthy for not being loyal enough when kevin mccarthy went down to mar-a-lago and did all of his demands, except for that one brief moment on january
6th, and maybe the day after. >> that is right. what we're seeing are these divisions within the republican party really come to the surface. as you are seeing just moments ago, the former president lashing out at mitch mcconnell again for supporting the infrastructure bill. that's the climate against which you have the current administration. the president knows that he will not get republicans on board with that second largest piece of his agenda which he calls a human infrastructure plan for it's funding of things like child care and early education. and so that is really the challenge i think for the democratic party. but you're absolutely right, you have former president trump looming over all of this discussion. and i think the thinking inside of house leadership, and of
course garrett knows the nuances of this is to win back the house they cannot cast former president trump aside. they need to figure out how to win with him, they need him to win back the house they think. >> thank you so much. joining us now, the younger sister of congressman gosar. jennifer, this is feignful for your family because of the things he did and said are so well beyond the norm, do you think he should be sentured. >> i think that paul doesn't
care about this, i would be embarrassed to have things like this printed about me. images, statements, so really it is important to have measures that hold him responsible. >> absolutely, i would not see this is the threat. he was with the same anime car toon, he was a hero with a death note. where he wrote death notes against former vice president biden and others. so at least from that we have grounds for more. however for all of the information that we learned, i believe my brother to be a
co-conspirator in the coup attempt. i think it is the most appropriate next step after this but certainly senture and committee stripping is a good start. >> has your brother always been like this? >> no. i'm the youngest. when he was coming home from college i could not wait to see him. i would stay up, get up early, he was my tweet big brother, but by 2010 when he was recruited to run for his first seat in arizona district one i say him run on a platform with ab 1070, sheriff joe arpio. i thought that was openly
negative, right? and he was convicted, right, of his work. so in that respect from 2010 on i saw an hotward problem, and potentially dangerous because threatening language can turn into something worse as we saw on january first. you know, i want to challenge the notion of what is lip in the republican party? can we say kevin mccarthy is really a leader or is he is a leading panderer. i thought it came from a base of integrity and decency and we don't see that from leader mccarthy. we don't see that from the bulk
of the republican party and i want to call them out about it. i think they understand that concept. it is high time they face up. if we don't face the movements of donald trump and his people we will suffer it. >> again, thank you for stepping forward, it's very appreciated. yours is an important voice. thank you again. and we have some news from the rittenhouse jury in kenosha, wisconsin. gabe, the judge just read questions from jury, what do we know? >> yeah, the proceeding is going on right now. the jurors, are they permitted
to have to view it in the courtroom, but they are looking at the video evidence. they are saying it needs to be shown in open court. the defense just came back and said fine, but they should not be able to view the drone footage again. earlier it was reported in this motion for a mistrial, the defense has been arguing that the prosecution of withholding the higher resolution copy. so withholding the higher resolution copy of the footage until two days before. the defense is saying you only gave us the low resolution.
something else significant, not just the question, but the judge also made comments on several other things, you know the kyle rittenhouse was allowed to select the six alternates. he made it a point to say that is his policy for about 20 years and he ripped on the media for what he says is tarnishing the reputation of some of the attorneys on the case and said he would rethink allowing cameras in the courtroom in the future. >> let's listen to the judge. >> educated to make these decisions and that's where the founders of our country, the power, not with us. so i think it is insulting to the jury to tell them they have to have these restrictions on their viewing.
we're going to sit down with the books and find out what the procedure is and we'll await what they want to do, but for now do we view the videos in private or in the courtroom and the answer will be in the courtroom. as for the exhibit number or photo, well, there is two options. one is that you can have all of them. you can have whatever you want, you can pick and choose, or describe fllly what you want. >> if they can just give us a description, i agree.
i better write it down. general description, a description of what you would like, is that all right? >> yes. >> the only thing that i would ask about with regard to your answer, your honor -- >> yes, sir. >> i'm not sure if i heard you correctly, if we bring the jury back, if you plan on kicking erin else out of the courtroom, i think it might be helpful to
tell the jury that. >> that's a good point, but don't know exactly who will be the kickees. certainly all of the media and the officers other than -- the media, the officers, and the question is whether or not the lawyers and the defendant, i don't know, we'll have to check that. i don't know if i'm supposed to be in here. i get the impression, and it's been a long time since i read one of these cases, i got the impression that it was supposed to be the bailiff, but i'm not even sure about that. so we'll have to look at that. i understand that is a good suggestion you made, but i'm afraid i don't know enough of an answer rights now.
>> the judge said he will send an answer back. the question is can we view the videos in private, in deliberation, or in the white house. the answer is in the courtroom, but there was quite a discussion about who should be in the courtroom when they view the videos. the defense wanted to keep something out, maybe the drone video. barbara? the judge said he didn't know he would have to consult the books. i'm not sure if you can hear me, i'm hearing a hum on our line, but help us on what you think the procedure should be. coach the judge and coach us.
>> just a few years ago when the jury asked, if they wanted photos you would send them back and they would assess and discussion them as they might otherwise for any exhibit in their deliberations. as technology has advanced and becomed more so sophisticated, it is difficult for them to watch it themselves. now it has to be shown in a digital file on someone's computer and it can be challenging. so rather than make them fumble and figure out how to do it themselves, you would send a paralegal but you don't that want person alone with the jury in the jury room. just fraternizing with them may give them a favorable impression. so they call them into open court. what they're looking at now is
what the law of wisconsin says about whether or not there is spectators in the courtroom. this is a matter in open matter, but it may that under wisconsin law while the jury is watching them deliberate, perhaps there could be consider that members of the public could influence them, an audible gasp or something like that. maybe for that reason there is case law in wisconsin that suggest the better practice is to have them watch it outside of the presence of any members of the public. thank you, we will be back with developments. getting a boost. there could soon be a third
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>> two big developments in the fight against the covid-19 pandemic. the fda would authorize a covid booster shot. this comes as pfizer is also seeking emergency use authorizations for it's covid-19 antiviral pill. and the company says the clinical trials show it could be at 89%. the doctor is joining us, dr. blackstock, thank you for being with us. it's a big week for pfizer. the fda on the booster front, perhaps you could argue that the fda could have done this in the first place instead of in didn't steps and perhaps fuelling more
antivax things along the way. >> we had several states like colorado, next, and california go ahead on their own expand ax access to boosters. the vaccines are still incredibly effective against the worst outcomes of covid-19, but we have significant evidence from large trial that's there is waning immunity against infection that is contributing to breakthrough cases. >> last night on brian's program, he was making a point that why call an emergency use authorization. couldn't they rebrand that approval process? that is just feeding all of the conspiracy theories that say this is not a real, you know,
not a safe drug, it's being rushed on to the market, none of which is true. why do we have to go through process? couldn't they figure this out? >> i think people need to understand that the emergency use authorization is a technicality or a formality. the same process is used for a therapeutic fda. and i will say if the fda authorizations this storm the cdc is planning to meet on friday, i think the approval process overall would be quick and efficient in the face of the fact that boosters are needed by the general population. >> another thing that pfizer is doing is allowing the anti-viral covid pill to be sold there cheaply. this could be very helpful around the world.
>> yes, it could be incredibly helpful. it is a contract with about 95 low income country that's are using through a nonprofit enabling the countries to use the recipe for this anti-viral that has shown to be incredibly effective. more so than the merck anti-viral pill. and this would be used in low resource settings. these are in significant need of this bill. it's interesting that they're being put together. what we need is for there so be more in a vaccine access and that's why we're seeing the e me jebs of different types of variants across the world. >> on another public health front there is a terrible report today from the cdc on drug overdoses.
overdose deaths for the first time ever in one year. what do we think is the cause of this? is it pandemic related? too many people at home, out of work? what do you think? >> right, it is a confluence of factors. and mental health and substance use disorders has not received enough funding or resources. so we're seeing the stress and isolation of the pandemic. we're seeing people losing their jobs, speciousing housing and financial insecurity as well as an increase in the amount of street drugs. yet we saw that actually fentanyl is responsible for a number of deaths. it is creating a storm of opioid deaths. we need for people to have accessible available access to substance use disorders. there is lots of wonderful medications out there that help
treat people with addiction. we need to make sure that we're being intentional about the funding and resources to treat these disorders. >> thank you for your help today. >> coming up, heartbreak in herat. you thinker is now a daily reality in afghanistan putting children at risk of starvation. richard engle is reporting, next. zljt. plus the son of a former saudi king. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. i king this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. tonight, i'll be eating lobster ravioli with shaved truffles. yes! you look amazing! no, you look amazing!
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some of the images in the report are disturbing. >> run by doctors without borders for her arm. if the band goes read she is severely mall no, your honorished, she is nearly at the end of the scale weighing 6.5 pounds for eight months old. she used to get formula because now her mother can't afford it. a baby dies of starvation nearly every day at this clinic. occupancy is up 70% compared to last year. some are two to a bed. her mother was herself mall nourishes and her baby was bornd too weak to suckle. >> the babies here are given a fortified blend of formula, about a third were already
vulnerable. the 3-year-old can't walk or talk. now he is starving, too. >> this is just so awful. thank you to richard engel, that is just part of his reporting that you can find on nbc news.com. joining us is the former ahead of saudi arabia intelligence from 1997 to 2001. your new book is "the afghanistan file." this is such an unusual memoir from a saudi prince. we have known each other for a long time. >> yes, indeed. >> you were ambassador here, you taught here, you went to school here many years ago, and this recounts a history of thafgs
afghanistan that many may not be familiar with. former national security advisors and the billions of dollars that america spent in afghanistan began in 1979-1980, you were an intelligence chief, and the saudi spent billions more to get the soviets out, get the taliban out, and you have given a acting of all of the money invested in this tragic country. >> i hope it also showed, the tragedy, as you describe it of a country that was totally peaceful and in one over night situation, and of course it sent shock waves around the world.
the soviet union seemed to be on the march in the 1970s after the watergate scandals here, the curtailing of the activities of the cia by congress, et cetera. so the kingdom started this corporation when they called him and said "i want to send my intelligence chief to help bring pakistan in the face of this soviet invasion." and then after a visit to pakistan, brezinski suggested there be a corporation to try to repair the soviet invasion from afghanistan. and that's when it all started. >> after everything that happened, and telling people to read the book, "the afghanistan
file." now the americans and nato withdraw and look at what is happening. richard engle is there. the u.s. has not unfrozen the assets, what to do about this tragedy and what do you think about the american withdrawal. >> i think it was inevitable. mr. trump made the deal with the taliban. and behind the back of the legitimate government there. it was quite obvious that, if you like, american chose the taliban as a successor regime. and i think that lead to the way that the afghan army broke down and afghan governors made deals with the taliban and they left in such a way, et cetera, et cetera.
it was not unexpected that what happened would happen. but i must say, you know, i'm very disappointed and shocked at how it happened. and the scramble to the airport, and kabul by thousands of people. without preparing, and order, and so on. it was unacceptable. and leaving behind, of course, not only national but people that worked with america. your government is having to deal with it on a constant basis. and for us, we saw the soviet withdrawal in 1989. which was much more orderly in those days. i must say the soviets were equally afraid. their withdrawal would be done in a less orderly manner than it happened. >> i have to ask you about subsequent events as well in your country. you mentioned that -- you
acknowledged kishogi, and the cia concluded that the crown prince has responsibility for that brutal murder, that nothing happens in the kingdom of this nature without him knowing, do you think there needs -- >> i disagree with the cia's conclusions. they're based on conjecture, analysis, presumption. i don't think they produced any evidence of the crown prince's involvement. >> because the evidence was destroyed. >> but you know as an experienced leader that it is based on the fact that he is the leader, his right-hand man was named as the person responsible,
in charge of that unit, how could he not? >> and he took responsibility for that in a television interview with a rival american network, he said that it happened under my watch and i take responsibility for it. he absorbed himself of punishment. >> the punishment of his right hand man? >> they tried the killers and they put them. and the family of khashoggi considered that verdict a just verdict. and they people there mourned him. they gaye him funerals at the two holy mosques. it was a heinous crime and unacceptable. but i didn't mention him or the murder in the book because it was not about him. i was not trying to avoid that. >> let me ask you about yemen now. it has been nearly seven years,
a terrible war, billions of dollars, is it time for saudi arabia to find a way out of this. right now they are backed by iran, they are in control of the most important parts of the country. >> we hope that we don't withdrawal the way that american withdrew. i think we made our commitment to the legitimate government of yemen. and the security council resolution sportts the government and called on the committee to put an embargo on the arms. iran continues to break that embargo. it's not saudi arabia that has to account for that. they instituted a call for help.
it is a supporter of legitimacy rather than a uprising driven by a small militia that took over in yemen. >> and on iran, the international inspectors from the u.n. have now just concluded as well that they are breaking and running centerfuges in an area that cannot be supervised. >> it is very concerning, not just with iran's development of nuclear weapons but with their conduct. two years ago they attacked the eastern province, and that, of course, is unacceptable. they kep supplying them with missiles and drones.
>> do you think the new leader is as well responsible for the assassination attempt against the iraqi prime minister or is that a rogue group? >> i have no requested, but also the original deal was accepted by saudi arabia with assurances from mr. obama that it would prevent iran from having nuclear weapons. in a joint statement they agreed to under take actions to prevent iran disservicing activities in the area. that's why the king accepted the president's assurance on the deal.
and so iran has to be held to account on these things. and they have not been held to account so far. >> so what should duo? >> i think there should be more sanctions on iran. that is my personal view rather than engaging with them. they have not shown any positive steps for not only curtailing the nuclear deals and enrichment, but their activities in the area. my dad -- they use blackmail to get what they want. developing a nuclear bomb is a method to blackmail the rest of us and into accepting what iran wants to do. >> we don't have much time, but will the saudis develop a bomb if they think iran is moving in that direction? >> i said publicly in the past that we should do whatever we need to, including acquiring the knowledge to develop a bomb, to
defend ourselves against a nuclear arms iran. i'm not in government to say what the government is going to do, but this is my personal opinion. >> prince turkey, thank you so much. "afghanistan file" is the book and it's an extraordinary history. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> coming up the inside scoop of why democrats need to overcome their struggle. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. . this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we
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hidecamp. donna edwards, and former congress remember david jolly. great to see you, thank you very much. i know you were looking at the infrastructure this week. it is a barn thing, and you were sounding the alarm about rule voters. >> let's look at virginia. youngkin did about 27%. trump's was 6%, and you saw a 3% increase in the number of rural voter ps so they think they won't show up or they won't be as energized. that is not true and this is a cull min nation and a continuation of the slide that
we really began to see, andrea, with the tea party movement. the tea party disintuits, this . this is all reversible if we actually take our policies to rural america because they're popular in rural america. we're doing things republicans won't do in rural america. but yet they don't see the democrats as their ally and economic development or ally in making sure that their quality of life is secure and as robust as those in urban america. >> donna edwards, no doubt of that. no denying that rural america has turned against the democratic party. so, what's the balancing act? how do you keep urban democrats, you know, people of color. young democrats of all ethnicities and keep and
reengage rural america? >> well, i'm so glad that senator hidecamp raised this because i think that democrats have to contest for all voters. and i think that rural america also is not a monolith. that we have, there are issues that have impact in rural communities. just take this infrastructure package. focusing on expanding broadband so that people have access to information and students are able to get the education they need, the small businesses can thrive in rural america. those are issues that democrats can run in. and i don't believe that you have to sacrifice the concerns of urban voters for those of rural voters. it is not one for the other. it is both. i think democrats have to start contesting on issues of concerns of working families whether
they're in rural communities or in our urban center. >> picking up on that point, david jolly, one of the other reports that we had this hour, terrible report is on the overdosing just reaching record levels in the last year. and the worst state is vermont. it's a rural state and hay the terrible opioid crisis. there are issues of concern to rural areas, as well. >> people in communities respond to opportunity. and to the extent that, you know, obama had the phrase ladders of opportunity, they government through either party can invest in ladders of opportunity and those parties will be rewarded. grow the economy, create jobs and demonstrate an appreciation for the diversity. the rich diversity of all american culture. the party that does that will
succeed in urban and rural corridors. unfortunately our politics are so tribal, they seem to break along these fault lines of rural versus urban or geographic trends. but the opportunity is there for the party that is willing to speak to each community. >> heidi, at the same time a report captured in first read today of the president's travel. he's going to michigan today. and he has not been in a lot of rural states. >> let me tell you, one of the mistakes we're making is democrat on democrat violence. so we're arguing about the nuances of these plans instead saying why doesn't ron johnson why day care more affordable. why aren't republicans helping?
one thing that we desperately need to do, andrea, if we need to win, we need to draw the contrast. who's with you in building rural communities and who isn't. and when we simply say we're going to talk about the great things we're doing, we need to point out they don't want to do these things. ron johnson doesn't want tahelp you with day care or improve your education or access to hospitals. we do. it's not just talking about what we're going to do, but talking about how they are obstructing the growth of american rural communities. >> well, it's a great insight and we really appreciate it. good to see you, again, senator heitkamp and donna edwards and david jolly, as well. coming up the qanon shaman. this is "andrea mitchell reports." that's next on msnbc.
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well, i'm sure you remember this guy. you've seen his face from images to videos of the january 6th insurrection. jacob chansley marching through the u.s. capitol with his spears, painted face, horned helmet. today appeared in a different context before a federal judge where he was sentenced to 41 months in prison for his role in the attack. pete williams joins us. pete, what happened in court? >> very dramatic because jacob chansley spoke himself. he suffers from a serious personalty disorder that has been made worse from his time in solitary confinement. he said i admit what i did was wrong. i'm not a dangerous criminal. i'm not a violet man and i'm truly repettant and he suffers from a personality disorder.
the government had recommended a sentence on the upper end. they say in the months before january 6th, chansley put messages on his social media and had thousands of followers and those messages may have encouraged people to come to the capitol on january 6th. on the day he went into the senate chamber and sat in the chair that mike pence had sat in earlier and left a note and led a sort of mock prayer with a bull horn and the government said for all these reasons he should get the serious sentence. what you did obstructed the functioning of government and it was terrible and made yourself the epitome of the riot. he did sentence him to 41 months in prison. his lawyer did ask that he be sentenced to a prison that would be near his family in arizona so he can get visits from his family and he can get mental health treatment. but his lawyer says that chansley accepts the sentence
and accepts full responsibility for what he did. >> pete williams, an extraordinary saga with this man in court. thank you very much. and before we go, a big congratulations to the newest part of the amr family and the nbc family, as well. our dear friend julia ainsley has welcomed baby number two named after both of her grandmothers. caroline banks ainsley was born yesterday weighing exactly eight pounds. julia says she and her husband, newman, are giddy with excitement. julia, congratulations, again. also say welcome to the neighborhood because they're neighbors of ours. we're so happy about all of that. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online and on facebook @ mitchellreports. chuck todd and "mtp daily" start right now. if it's wednesday, the house is set to vote on centuring.
posting an altered video depicting violence against democrats. why is there more anger over an infrastructure vote than a violent video fantasizing about the death of a colleague. the force happening all across the globe. why the bad guys are winning and what it means for the future of politics everywhere. later new efforts at the state and city levels to expand booster eligibility as covid cases are rising and vaccination rates lag compared to our western allies. welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. right now on the house floor lawmakers began their initial de