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melvin. our attention trained right now on two courtrooms. first, the future of kyle rittenhouse is now in the hand of the jury. in just the last hour, 12 jurors were selected from that brown tumbler and sent off to deliberate this case. in just moments we'll break down everything the juror is weighing. jury selection is under way in a new york courtroom in the case of ghislaine maxwell, a jeffrey epstein confidant. we're also on white house watch this hour, because about 15 minutes from now president biden will leave for new hampshire to tout the freshly signed bipartisan infrastructure law. later in the hour, i'll talk to not one, but two mayors of major american cities who were at the signing yesterday. dayton ohio mayor, nan whaley
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and david holt, a republican. we'll talk about the hope this new law can bring to their home cities and does it signal real bipartisanship? we start with the latest in the kyle rittenhouse trial. i'm joined by maya wiley. how would you expect a jury to approach deliberating a case like this? we saw the judge, both legal teams go into excruciating detail with those jury instructions yesterday. what do you think is going to happen in that jury room? >> it's great to be with you. look, you know, the jury was really handed two separate stories yesterday, one from the prosecution, which said kyle rittenhouse is a chaos tourist and an active shooter, and one from the defense that said this sweet kid did nothing wrong and just was in the midst of a violent riot and protected
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himself. so really obviously there are several different vicvictims. the jury is supposed to go through them one at a time. at the end of the day it's going to start with mr. rosenbaum who was killed by mr. rittenhouse. that's not disputed. but did it meet the requirement that this was not self-defense, that he iinstigated and was provoked or that he was attacked. >> gabe, did we get clues from the judge yesterday? what did he tell the members of the jury about how they should approach this case. >> reporter: good morning. yes, several developments just within the last hour or so that you saw right here on msnbc. the judge handing this case over to the jury. kyle rittenhouse himself, he was
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the one who selected the six alternates of this jury, pulling the names out of this wooden lottery tumbler that i'm told has been used by this court for each and every case to select alternates. there are more alternates in this case, as you know. this initially started with 20 jurors. two have been dismissed throughout the trial. we started today with 18 jurors. now six names have been selected as alternates. they have been taken to another room inside the courthouse. the alternates include three men and three women. the one person of color who was on this jury remains on the jury. so right now, impossible to say exactly what's being said inside that deliberation room, but this has been highly anticipated here in kenosha.
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behind me you can see a small group of demonstrators. they have been here pretty much throughout this trial, because this case has attracted so much attention here. chris, i can tell you about 500 members of the wisconsin national guard have been authorized to come to kenosha if local law enforcement requests it. but the temperature here in this city much calmer than it was last summer when the unrest really peaked following the police shooting of jacob blake. again, the developments this morning, six alternates selected, three men, three women. now the 12 reremaining jurors a discussing the finer points of this case as they try to come to a consensus on the five counts that kyle rittenhouse faces after the judge dismissed one of those counts yesterday. >> so maya, let's deconstruct what each lawyer told the jurors yesterday in closing arguments and how you think that might play. again, you pointed this out, sort of the core of the
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prosecution's closing argument, he can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man. what do you make of that argument? >> well, as a matter of law, the question for the jury is whether he had reasonable fear, whether a reasonable person would have feared serious bodily injury or death. what the prosecution is saying is, look, you can't provoke the problem. they have put in video evidence that they say shows kyle rittenhouse raised his rifle to protesters before mr. rosen balm started chasing him. that is the active shooter narrative that also follows after he shoots mr. rosen balm and then kills mr. hoover, who of course had the skateboard. this is all a matter of how you look at that video evidence, how
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do you think about what the witnesses said, what the defense has on its side and utilized in the context of his closing was, look, you heard from all these people who said it was violent, it was scary, these were bad people who were rioting. you even had a defense attorney who went so far as to say he was glad that people were killed. >> so much has changed from the first trial i ever covered from when you were in law school, i'm sure, because there is so much video evidence now that we never saw ten, 20 years ago when we were looking at murder cases. obviously rittenhouse's lawyer said, look, he only fired when threatened by other people. but jurors can look at the same piece of video and draw different conclusions, right? how difficult do you think this is going to be? >> you know, there are some who believe this could end up in a hung jury. a lot of what's happened in this
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trial, how you look at the video evidence. we've even heard the attorneys and the judge debating the credibility of the video evidence outside of the hearing of the jury. the jury's job is to decide what it believes happened and it has to believe that unanimously. that's why some fear a hung jury. >> thank you both so much. meanwhile president biden is set to leave the white house soon to make his way to new hampshire, stop one on an all-out blitz across the country this week to tout the new infrastructure law. he's visiting the rural town of woodstock where there's an 82-year-old steel bridge deemed structurally deficient by the state, one of many that the law aims to shore up. josh letterman is in woodstock, new hampshire, ahead of the president's arrival.i vitale is.
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what more can you tell us about this cross country blitz? . >> reporter: what you'll hear from president biden today is the start of what you're going to hear from democrats all the way through the midterm elections, which is that democrats and president biden given a chance to govern are delivering real tangible results that the american people are going to feel, such as roads and bridges. this has been a really tough argument for the white house to make in the last many months as so much of the focus has been on process and this fighting between democrats and republicans or even democrats and democrats about spending plans. now the white house is doing a little bit of catchup, what they'd like to have been doing several months ago in september when they hoped to pass this bill. now they can really try to drive home for people how all this talk in washington would actually affect them. the bridge that president biden
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will see here in woodstock in just a couple of hours is 81 years old. for years it has been on the red list for new hampshire needing immediate repairs. now as a result of the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill, that bridge will get a rehab much sooner than the state would have otherwise been able to afford to do it, according to state transportation authorities that we spoke to. the other element of course the politics. we are in a battleground state. we are in one where president biden's poll numbers have been matching some of the democrats here. you see how much the white house and democrats more broadly want to use this accomplishment of this bipartisan infrastructure bill to try to promote the idea that democrats should be rewarded next year for the work they've done so far. >> ali, let's do a victory lap
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essentially for ourselves and for democrats across the country. but he's also set to use this speech to push congress to make a deal on his build back better plan. house speaker pelosi said she expects a vote this week. we should this week get the cbo estimate. tell us where things stand. >> reporter: this was the agreed upon week. the last time lawmakers were here when they passed the bipartisan infrastructure bill as well as that procedural rule on the build back better act, moderate and progressives came together and said we need to see the cbo score and they were going to have the vote on build back better this week. that is still the plan, but this week is tending to skew a little bit later into the week, potentially into the weekend. the cbo score may come later in the week.
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speaker pelosi has been clear, they're not going home for thanksgiving until they vote on build back better. the cbo score here was the sticking point for moderates, but they're not the only ones. there are people preparing for it to be not the rosy economicy for. one of those looking at it is senator joe manchin. here's what he had to say. >> we're telling you we're paying for something over a ten-year period, are we giving you that service for ten years? i think other people had that same concern. the house members will be reviewing that. let's see what happens on that side and what they intend to do . >> reporter: that was manchin talking about what if the cbo score doesn't look like what democrats hope it looks like, which is to say this bill is
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fully paid for. manchin expressed concerns about some of the policy items still in the house version of this bill. specifically things like paid leave, which he says he does not support. but also remember where manchin's momentum has always been on the two sides of this coin for infrastructure. he has always wanted the house to rush their vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and he has been a little bit cooler and more willing to take his time -- he has said publicly he wants to move through this the right way even if it's not the fast way. democrats want to move quickly. they'd like to run on this in 2022. also the sell is important. even as they're working, they've got to be selling what's in this. >> let me go back for a minute to the infrastructure bill. there's a lot of talk how it makes pete buttigieg potentially the most powerful transportation secretary ever.
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he'll control $126 billion in spending just from this bill. >> reporter: it's a huge opportunity for pete buttigieg, no question. the washington parlor game right now is comparing pete buttigieg and vice president kamala harris, who's up, who's down in a potential nomination fight were president biden to not seek reelection in 2024. leaving that aside, clearly buttigieg now has a chance because of the way that transportation dollars in particular are generally doled out by the federal government in grants to states or in big chunks where states and individual projects are given money at the discretion of the transportation secretary and his department. that makes pete buttigieg quite a power broker for the next several months with more than $125 billion to get to dole out.
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the other thing we're seeing pete buttigieg do that's so interesting, you know, i covered his presidential campaign for two years. he struggled all of that time with african-american voters. he has been making very clear in his public comments since this infrastructure deal passed that a big portion of this is designed to try to effectuate change in communities where highways have dissected communities, marparticularly communities of color over the years, and there is a more broad social justice effort that can be taken through the build back better agenda and through the infrastructure spending the u.s. is now about to undertake. >> thank you both. appreciate it. still ahead, that bipartisan infrastructure law is signed, sealed and set to deliver a trillion dollars to rebuild america. i'll talk with two mayors who
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were at the white house signing ceremony for the law. how this money will impact their cities and the people who live there. plus, a big trial in new york. jury selection happening right now in the high profile case of ghislaine maxwell, long time associate of jeffrey epstein. we have the latest, next. associate of jeffrey epstein we have the latest, next find your breaking point. then break it. every emergen-c gives you a potent blend of nutrients so you can emerge your best with emergen-c. bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪
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jury selection is underway at the trial of ghislaine maxwell, the woman who spent years at jeffrey epstein's side. she has pleaded not guilty to charges she groomed under aged victims to have unwanted sex with epstein and sex trafficking charges. federal prosecutors say maxwell assisted epstein's abuse of under age girls by recruiting, grooming and sexually abusing the victims herself. tom, walk us through the charges and what's happening in court
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right now. >> reporter: this is conduct that goes from 1994 to 2003. a couple of different things are included in the indictment. it starts with enticing minors to cross state lines for the purposes of sex. it include those sex trafficking conspiracy charges, as well as conspiracy to transport minors with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. there were two other charms added to the initial indictment that pertain to perjury. in a civil deposition the judge severed those charges. that will be up to prosecutors to determine if they want to try her on those charges at a later date. right now the judge has been interviewing various jurors, part of this pool of 213 selected out of questionnaires that they filled out. now they're talking to the judge, the judge asking them questions about impartiality,
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conflicts they may have. they're hoping to get to a pool of 50 that both sides can utilize their strikes and exemptions and get down to that final jury number they can select for trial which they hope to get to by opening statements november 29th. >> epstein's accusers didn't get to face him in court when he died in jail. now maxwell's lawyers say those victims are going after her. the charges against epstein and maxwell are well documented. what's at the heart of her defense? >> reporter: i think they're going to tackle it a couple of ways. one, this idea whether or not maxwell knew these victims were under the age of 18 or even 17, depending on what state law is applied to the federal charges. did they know their true age, what was their true age, how might that impact the charges
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brought here. so that's something they're going to focus on. they're going to go after any sort of credibility statements, any prior statements these witnesses have made, how that may conflict with their testimony now, why they didn't come forward sooner. that's something we typically see in these types of cases. one area where they've been precluded from going into is that nonprosecution agreement that jeffrey epstein signed while alex acosta was the u.s. attorney in miami. he then went on to be the labor secretary for president trump before resigning from that post when all this information came out about jeffrey epstein's activities and was reported by the miami herald. they've been denied the opportunity to talk about that non-prosecution agreement. maxwell believed that covered her and she could not be charged, but the judge says no, in fact, it did not cover you and, no, you cannot bring it up at trial. so they've been precluded from
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anyone over the age of 18 to get a covid booster shot. sam brock is in miami with more. >> reporter: good morning. good to be with you. the bottom line here is this ramps up the pressure on the fda and cdc to update their guidelines as more cities and states are expected to follow suit. local officials argue that the government's position on boosters is they should be available for high risk populations and everybody in their city or state is at high risk. right now the federal government is choosing to look the other way. with covid cases once again on the rise, health leaders coast to coast are trying to pump the brakes on an upward trend. new yorkers likely recognize these ads with the city's health commissioner, who's been encouraging booster for those 65 and older or with underlying health conditions. now with backing from the mayor, offering them to fully vaccinated adults, six months
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after pfizer and moderna or two months after the johnson & johnson jab. >> we have to stay astep ahead of the virus. the decision that new york city made was very much in that vein . >> reporter: taking a looser interpretation of federal guidelines that allow boosters for high risk populations. in minnesota, which has seen a nearly 70% increase in cases the last two weeks, the virus is flooding communities big and small. >> this is not getting better. >> reporter: this as americans try and sort through mixed messaging on boosters. >> i think the confusing message around boosters may end up being one of the biggest missed opportunities in this pandemic. >> reporter: states and cities are trying to take the lead. the cdc says adults with increased risk of exposure should get the booster.
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>> how does new york city have the autonomy to make this decision? >> the advisory is consistent with the fda authorization and the cdc guidance. an important part of that guidance is about risk of exposure. >> reporter: he says we're learning from europe, which tends to foreshadow what happens in the u.s. cases there rising so precipitously austria has imposed a lockdown for unvaccinated people and germany is considering the same. >> we feel much safer when i know that people walking around are vaccinated. >> reporter: each with all the talk about boosters, health officials emphasizing the most important shot is the first one. medical experts say the issue here is not the supply, that cities and states and pharmacies have enough boosters. the question is about liability and what happens if someone who is not federally authorized to get a booster has complications. who's responsible? is it the state, is it the health care provider? one of many unanswered questions
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elderly and disabled and in places here like new york city it means planned fare hikes have been cancelled. $66 billion will go toward railroads and amtrak. that's just part of it. i want to bring in two mayors who were at the white house as president biden signed the bill into law yesterday. the mayor of dayton ohio, nan whaley. i also want to bring in the mayor of oklahoma city, david holt, a republican. it's great to see both of you. i'm going to start with you, mayor holt, because you are a republican in a very republican state. not a single congressperson signed on for this infrastructure deal. so why did you want to be at the white house yesterday? why is this important for your constituents? >> well, i'm in a very purple city, but most importantly i'm
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in a nonpartisan form of government, which really frees us to do what's right. this infrastructure package looks just like the kind of package that mayors have fought for for a decade or more. we wanted roads and bridges money. we wanted public transit dollars, passenger rail, all the things you're showing there on the screen. we've wanted that for a very long time. that's a need that cuts across party lines. here in oklahoma city, as in most cities, we do that every day. we work together, republicans and democrats, to get things done. i'm so glad that on a national level we could finally do that here for something this important. >> mayor whaley, as a democrat, you are in my home state of ohio. currently has a republican governor. you're running for governor. what was it for you about this infrastructure bill and what it will mean for your constituents
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that made you say i'm going to go to the white house and show my support? >> i think it's the same that mayor holt just talked about. we as mayors have been fighting for an infrastructure bill, roads, bridges, broadband, airports for over a decade. >> what is it that you get that members of congress haven't gotten for the last ten years? >> i think frankly when you go to washington, d.c., things become much more partisan that they're not on the ground. 63% of americans approve of this bill. they know that this is what their communities need. it's the number one issue in my community is paving and fixing roads. so when you're on the ground, you've got to get it done. i think that's the difference. that's why you saw the bipartisanship coming out of mayors. almost s signing a letter from all 50 states, saying get this done. >> i looked it up, mayor holt.
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oklahoma city is huge. 620 square miles. is it roads for your constituents too? what money is most important to you coming out of this bill? >> three categories of the bill jump out at me. as you indicated we're one of the largest cities in the united states by land mass. street repairs are always a challenge for us. we have a lot of inventory to keep up with. that's 60% of the total bill devoted to roads and bridges is most appealing. secondly we're interested in having a federal partner as we try to expand bus rapid transit. we have an amtrak line that only goes south to ft. worth. we would love to have our line go north and link us to the rest of the amtrak system.
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we're a bit of a stub right now. amtrak proposes to use this infrastructure package to do just that. it would also improve our passenger rail. >> mayor whaley, let me ask you about amtrak as well. a big reworking of amtrak would connect all the major cities in your state. critics say there are better ways to spend that money in a country that is obsessed with driving, that people are used to getting in their cars and going where they want to go when they want to go. what's your take on amtrak? is this part of that overall plan? they can't do everything they said they wanted to do, right? is this going to happen and should it happen? . we hope so. just like mayor holt talked about his city being locked, the amtrak stops in youngstown, ohio here. you can't get across the rest of the country without going through the state of ohio.
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and we know if we give people opportunities to get out of their cars, that's a way for therm to get between our communities easier. finally, 25% of my population in the city of dayton doesn't have access to an automobile. so when we're talking about public transit and amtrak, we're talking about equity and making sure people can get to those jobs that we know are growing and that they're able to get there every single day. that's been a big challenge during the pandemic for folks that don't have access to a car and it will continue to be an issue as we move forward with this new economy. >> mayor holt, people go to washington and suddenly things become so incredibly partisan. joe biden seemed to indicate yesterday this shows that bipartisanship can work. obviously he wants it to work for that next phase, the build back better plan. but as a whole, do you think that this symbolically shows that washington can work, it can
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be bipartisan, or is this a one off, everybody sees the advantage of infrastructure and frankly don't expect anything else? >> well, i don't know. people who are living and working in washington may have to speak to that. but i think here in oklahoma city we do things on a bipartisan basis every single day because we have to. really people depend on what we do here in the oklahoma city and the effectiveness of our government. sometimes it feels like washington is just being produced for our entertainment. we would like to be able to depend on it as well. i hope it's not a one off. i think what happened here where people put aside the things that divide them and tried to find common purpose, i believe it can be done on every issue. there is something that 70% of people in the middle can agree on the you'll sort of walk away from the extremes. i know that's so hard in washington, but it is what mayors do every single day.
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i think people in washington ought to look at cities like dayton and oklahoma city as an example. >> thanks to both of you. we appreciate you being with us. this morning another stunning sign of the political climate. the wyoming republican party says it will no longer recognize congresswoman liz cheney as a member of its party. local gop officials in a third of the state's counties voted to stop recognizing her as one of their own. the vote doesn't take any power away from her, but it is just the latest public rebuke from her own party after she voted to impeach former president trump. congresswoman jackie speier has just announced she will not be running for election next year. she put out a video and said it was time for me to come home. she is just the latest to sit
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out the upcoming midterm election that could be a tough one for democrats. up next andrea mitchell will talk with her. a detroit woman set aside most of her disability check for more than two years because she wanted to buy a home. last spring she made the final payment on her rent to own lease. then came an eviction letter. she's not alone. next, i'll talk with her about what she says happened and where she goes from here. what she says happened and where she goes from here ♪ ♪
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imagine spending thousands of dollars to pay for a home, only to find out that the person you've been paying for months, maybe even years, isn't who they say they are. now stop imagining because nbc news has learned the fake landlord scam is destroying lives in detroit. culprits rarely face consequences. as many as 1 in 10 tenants facing eviction in detroit say they've been duped and conned into renting out houses they don't actually own. i'm joined by june walker. her lawyers believe she is the victim of this devastating scam. she is part of a legal eviction process. an attorney representing the company that owns the home and
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filed the eviction paper says it has no idea walker had been making payments on the house. take us through the story of when you first found out about the house and when you believed something was wrong. >> well, i made the last payment april of 2021, okay? and so for three years, 3.5 years i was paying for this house on a land contract, a lease with option to buy tailored for my needs in terms of income and how i could get the house fixed up, right? so i made the last payment and i was running around the house, praising god, i'm a homeowner now. i got to worry about my kids, my grand kids, and they can visit me and spend the night, and i got my own house. i grew up in a house in detroit
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and i'm used to houses. so then i had to show up for court because they wanted to evict me. i contacted the united community housing coalition for legal advice, and that is when they told me you're part of a cam, you have been scammed, they told me. >> what's going through your mind when you find this out and where are you now? >> i'm still in the house, i'm in the house. this is the house i paid for. i'm still here.
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you go through the seven stages of grief, and i finally got to the acceptance stage. i'm not leaving this house. i paid for it. i didn't steal it. i didn't con anybody to get it, right? >> june, do you have any advice for people so they can avoid a scam? >> yes, get legal advice, first, before you enter a contract, talk to somebody. talk to somebody who knows, who has been there and done that. the united housing coalition all of these organizations that i found out about will help you with the house, but that is my
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advice. but it is so hard because you have a lot of low income people and a community and a contract needs to be tailored to our needs. people won't give us a mortgage. so we have to start from the roof to the basement. when i got the house there was no windows. there may be people out there watching who are going to take your advice, seek help before they get into a deal, so thank you, june, we appreciate it. >> yes.
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for the highest grocery tab you have had in decades. how bad is it going to be this year? >> hey, chris, i hate to tell you but you really want to be watching your budget this year. it's a doubt whammy, the inflation of food prices and the supply chain. listen to this. >> for millions gathering for the first in-person thanksgiving in years. the other reasons? the higher cost of corn to feed those turkeys and inflation. >> people are preserving shortages. our sales on turkeys are slower. >> one of the areas we're seeing right now is in a pumpkin pie
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plix. not that we don't have it but the shipping from a manufacturer to store social security a day or two behind but there will be six or seven other brands that you can choose from. >> packaged dinner rolls are more expensive because of the price of some ingredients spiking. some bakeries were forced to hike prices by $1.75 per pie. >> we go up incrementally as easy as we can. >> i was told that they're not going to have any for the rest of the month. if you're celebrating as a group, truly share the costs, don't leave the host solely on the hook. >> another thing that you should be doing is shopping early for
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the things you can store right now. if you get the frozen turkey, the canned cranberry sauce, and things that you can put away. and you want to share with your friends and family for the budget overall. maybe help them out with the overall spending on thanksgiving day. >> great advice, my canned pumpkin is in the cupboard. thank you, that does it for me, andrea mitchell starts next. >> good day, erin, this is andrea mitchell reports. after the defendant drew six pieces of paper to narrow the pool down to the 12 juror that's

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