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thanks for watching "the beat" with ari melber. "the reidout" is up next. steve bannon surrendered today and appeared in court to face criminal contempt charges and this afternoon president biden celebrated a major achievement at the white house surrounded by a group of bipartisan lawmakers. he signed into law a massive infrastructure bill to invest millions of dollars into roads, bridges, ports and clean water and more. we'll get to those developments but we begin "the reidout" with the kyle rittenhouse closing
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arguments. minutes ago jurors were handed the case and the fate of kyle rittenhouse lays in their hands. the dramatic closing arguments for the prosecution, he argued that rittenhouse was in a state of livant carrying a gun he shouldn't have had and pretending to guard an empty business he had no connection to and lied to being an emt and argued rittenhouse was no hero. >> now you've heard the everyday and it's time to search for the truth. so consider for example whether or not it's heroic or honorable to provoke and shoot unarmed people. consider it. whether it makes someone a hero when they lie about being an emt. in this entire sequence of events from the shooting of jacob blake on sunday, august 23rd, 2020 all the way after that, everything this community went through, the only person who shot and killed anyone was
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the defendant. >> after shooting joseph rosenbaum several times he took off running as the crowd grappled with the prospect of an active shooter, rittenhouse lied to the crowd and said mr. rosenbaum pulled a gun. >> the defendant flees. callously disregarding the body of the man that he just shot and killed. and as he's running off, he's lying to the crowd about what just happened. this is exhibit number 12. >> earlier in the day, the prosecution asked the judge to let the jury consider lesser charges if they move to acquit on the original counts. the judge agreed. rittenhouse's attorney had a vis vissous -- vicious rebuttal calling the prosecution's case
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garbage. >> this is a political case. the district attorney's office is marching forward with this case because they need somebody to be responsible. they need somebody to put and say we did it, he's the person who brought terror to kenosha. kyle rittenhouse is not that individual. the rioters, the demonstrators who turned into rioters, those are the individuals who bring us forth. >> this has been one of the strangest trials in recent history, just to be honest with bruce shrader's odd behavior. he dismissed a dangerous weapon by someone under 18, a misdemeanor likely of a charge to net a conviction for prosecutors and here is one of the instructions he gave jurors on the question of self-defense. >> when you address the charge
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crime, if in your discussions you conclude that the elements are present and the defendant was not acting lawfully in self-defense then you need not go further. you can return your victim of guilt based upon that conclusion. if in your discussions as to an individual count of those with multiple verdicts in your initial discussion if you decide the defendant acted lawfully in self-defense, you're done and you can return to that guilty verdict without considering lesser. >> the judge issued rulings that seemed to favor the defense. he yelled at the prosecutor and forbid the state to refer to the people killed by kyle rittenhouse as victims saying the quote is loaded and made a
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joke about asian food and his phone rang playing a sound played at trump rallies. 500 national guard members will be prepared for duty in kenosha if local law enforcement requests them. right now paul butler and katy fang, trial attorney and msnbc legal contributor. paul, i watched a lot of trials going back to the o.j. trial watching it as an interested observer and not a journalist. i never seen anything like this, especially the instructions to the jury that became this whole other sort of mini trial without the jurors present. can you please try to explain to us what happen there had and what this judge was doing and whether it was normal? >> well, i'm glad you didn't ask me to explain the judge's instructions because i could not do that. i've tried a bunch of cases as a prosecutor. i've taught criminal law school for years. i didn't understand half of what the judge was saying.
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>> i didn't, either. good. at least it wasn't me. i thought maybe i didn't go to law school to understand. katy, could you make better sense of it. normally lesser included the way prosecutors guarantee conviction because if they can't get you on there are all these the jury could do reckless endangerment or manslaughter. he said wipe it out if you think he acted in self-defense in the charge. did that strike you as strange? >> it did. we noticed he doesn't like to read stuff and he really should because there is a reason why the jury instructions have been printed out for everyone to be able to see. the way that he has these random rambling things from the bench is where this trial has gone awry but are regards to the lesser included, you can't make the summery statement from the
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bench if you find it was self-defense and completely eradicates the lesser includes and the fact he's allowed lesser included should be given to the jury. i think there is inconsistent behavior, conduct and rulings from the bench, even recently we saw stuff going on during closing arguments but i think that the jury is sufficiently confused and that's what gets scary when you're a prosecutor. if you got a jury that's confused, sometimes the easy out is to just let it go and that is a real fear that the prosecution has at this time. >> absolutely. paul, especially when you talk about a teenager who -- he's going -- there's 18 jurors in the pool. it will go to 12. the math says this could be an all white jury. there is only one black person in the pool. he may get an all white jury to them looks like their son. now the question is what do you believe is more logical? this was -- let me play a little bit of what the prosecutor said. this is assistant district
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attorney thomas binger and he talked about who provoked the initial reaction with joseph rosenbaum. cut one. >> they know you can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man like this. you lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun, when you're the one creating the danger. >> and then he shows all this video that i thought was actually very powerful in showing that rittenhouse shoots mr. rosenbaum and then he runs and then the crowd starts pursuing him thinking he's an active shooter and so there are people there who have their own guns because they're thinking i'm going to approach this danger. he's the active shooter. people ask him, did you shoot someone? did you shoot someone? he reacts to that with the second two people. think about the mind set this person just killed one person and then when two other people approach him, he shoots one of their arm almost off and he
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shoots the third and kills him. and so what the prosecutor i thought pretty effectively argued is he's the only one who is dangerous in this situation. the other people are not attacking him. he's the danger. did that strike you as a strong argument? >> it did. you know, the judge as we noted has been extremely tough on the prosecution but he finally cut them a break with this provocation instruction. if the jury finds that rittenhouse was the initial aggressor, then he can't claim self-defense. so in closing, the prosecutor spent a lot of time arguing that it was rittenhouse who started the fight and that it was really his victims who had the right to self-defense, not the defendant. so the jury will decide based on the witness testimony and video it's all open to interpretation. one put in this set that the first victim rosenbaum threatened to kill rittenhouse but the prosecutor said today that never happened.
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another government witness said that rosenbaum lunged for the gun but the prosecution witnesses said another prosecution witness said that rosenbaum was an idiot who was harmless. during jury ddeliberations, the jury will have to decide who they believe. joy, i believe what you said in the beginning, this was a good day for the prosecution. if it had tried the whole case as strongly as it delivered its closing, then mr. rittenhouse would soon be on his way to state prison. >> the zimmerman trial was like that. where do the prosecutors go to school and in the end deliver wonderful closings but had done so poorly going in. we'll see if it turns out differently. katy, let me let you talk about what the defense was doing. they seem to be trying this as a political case trying to appeal to any fox news viewers on the jury, let's be blunt who might think when the looting starts
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the shooting starts is a good thing to say andize the people bad guys and you think this guy is a hero like the other network does, that's your hero. richards is the name of the attorney and this is what he had to say. >> if they want to be the heroes and they want to beat somebody and do what they're going to do to them, they better be right, and they weren't. kyle rittenhouse shot mr. rosenbaum because he was attacking kyle. every person who was shot was attacking kyle. >> okay. i'm going to ask what you make of that argument, katy. >> okay. let's be clear you don't have to have a judgment about whether or not the protests were good or bad. what they did on the defense is they basically wanted to inflame the jury to think that it was
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totally fine for kyle rittenhouse to come in on his knight horse to save the city of kenosha because he had no business being there in the first place. what was going on in terms of the protest kyle rrittenhouse's behavior had to be reasonable. he was not physically harmed. you have two dead people, multiple injured others and the reality is, it was hands, feet, a skateboard. hands, feet and a skateboard versus an ar-15. that's what that was. the thing we heard in the rebuttal close really made sense and that countered what the defense was attempting to do today. was the fact they called rittenhouse a chaos tourist. kind of reminds you about the january 6th insurrection. this idea that you had people that showed up armed to do harm and that is exactly what kyle
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rittenhouse did, the jury applies facts and everyday to the law they should come back with one conviction. the prosecution has one more than one bite at the apple to convict kyle rittenhouse. >> here is the sort of elephant in the room. all of the people involved in this are right, you know, and the thing i noticed was not said and i saw it on the paper but never said out loud by the prosecutor with black lives matter was involved. he left that characterization aside. in this case, i hate to say it, if the victims were black, i would be 100% sure how this case would end but in this case it's complicated a bit because the people who he shot were members of the community who also somebody could relate to. do you think that ends up
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mattering because race is off the table here in terms of this jury. >> so this was a protest about black lives matter situation in which african-american person was killed by a white officer or was shot by a white officer. the through line between the rittenhouse case and the georgia case of arbery's killers is guns. how many americans are walking around strapped down with firearms trying to act like cops paying more attention to black people trying to guard people's property or police protests and these people knowingly put themselves in harm's way and when they do that, they then say they feel threatened and use their guns to kill and the concern, joy, is that the defendants are allowed to get away with this we should expect to see more cases of armed vigilantes just like this. >> and as this sort of -- yes, this is the society they're trying to create this sort of violent tourism wherever you want to go and you be the
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police. that is what everyone should fear. paul butler, katy fang, thank y'all both very much. up next on "the reidout" steve bannon surrenders. plus, president biden signs the government's massive investment in infrastructure but republicans want to punish, want to punish the hand full of party members that supported it. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins me for this his tore rick day and tonight's absolute worst, they're trying to destroy democracy and one of trump's wants the government to dictate how you worship. "the reidout" continues after this. u worship. "the reidout" continues after this coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer,
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the wheels of justice may turn slowly but turning slowly with the investigation of january 6th. steve bannon surroundered this
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morning on charges of contempt of congress and no surprise gave a press conference portraying himself as a maga martyr while pointing the finger at everyone put himself. a year in prison may go a long way toward deflating that ego and getting different color shirts to layer. trump's former chief of staff mark meadows appears to be following in his footsteps refusing to compile with the subpoena and like bannon neglected to show up for his scheduled deposition last friday and adam schiff is making it clear that meadows is next. >> i'm confident we'll move quickly but i want to make sure we have the strongest possible case to present to the justice department and for the justice department to present to a grand jury. when ultimately, witnesses decide as meadows has that they're not even going to bother showing up that they have that much contempt for the law it pretty much forces our hand.
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>> the almost two dozen other trump allies under scrutiny have a choice to make. they can compile with their subpoenas that or risk the same fate as mr. i made breitbart the home of alt right as gonzalez sounds the alarm january 6th was a dry run for an actual coup in 2024. >> it looks to me i think any observer would come to the conclusion he has evaluated what went wrong on january 6th, why is it he wasn't able to steal the election, who stood in his way. every single american institution is just run by people and you need the right people to make the right decision in the most difficult times. he's going systematically through the country and trying to remove those people and install people who are going to do exactly what he wants them to do and believe the big lie and go along with anything he says and do the institutions hold again with a different set of
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people in place? i hope so but you can't guarantee it. >> the truth is the big lie is still sweeping the gop. in fact, more republicans now believe the nonsense theory that trump will be magically reinstated by the end of this year, 28% of republicans believe that up from an equally bad 22% last month. it's a reminder why the work of january 6th committee is so important. joining me now, advisor to the dnc and dccc and ben roads, deputy national security advisor and msnbc political contributor. there are soft rumblings of threats that if kevin mccarthy is the next speaker, they will ban this committee. dream with me if you will, what would they theoretically do? isn't it clear that what republicans would do is suddenly believe in subpoenas that and start making up things to investigate about democrats should they get control of the
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house? >> joy, if republicans regain control of the house, they will continue what they started during the barack obama years and issue a tsunami of subpoenas that and hearings, an avalanche of depositions, invented accusations, invented controveries like they did to barack obama's entire presidency. every secretary and relative and any person that has any association to the current administration will come under target. we've seen that anyone involved in trump world will not hesitate to abuse their power, use their office, use their leverage, use their authority to do whatever they want to trump's enemies to perceive things. they made enemy's list in the administration. they will advance, they will do everything they can to target and go after every single person they perceive to be a threat to them and really, what that means, a threat to them are people willing to stand up for democracy. people willing to defend democracy, defend checks and balances, respect our
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institutions, try to hold up the pillars that keep our society going. steve bannon has said all along that his intention is to act as a lennonest and tear down and destroy the structures of institutions in the establishment. he announced that in 2017. what we see happening with donald trump and the republican party and steve bannon's defying is make good on the threat he made and that's what the republican party is all about and that's why it is crucial that we hang on to the majorities in congress because if we lose them, if we give these republicans an inch, if we give them a return to power, they will never let it go ever again. >> and this is the point. ben, this is cut one for my producers. i'm jumping around in my head as i listen to you talking. this is what steve bannon said on his podcast friday. he used to run breitbart which is one of the places that spews the talking points the far right can pick up, the maga picks up,
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the news organization and said they were all right, which is white nationalism, they were open about it. we're taking action he said on the podcast. we're taking over school boards, and taking over the elections and we'll get to the bottom of 3 november, meaning the election. we'll decertify and have a constitutional crisis. they made it very clear and you cannot take him seriously if you doesn't want to but he's saying their playbook out loud. let's go to cut four for my producers. jonathan karl has a book out that talks about what they already tried to do. mark meadows forwarded a memo from one of the internal attorneys to the vice president of the united states, mike pece similar to the eastman memo says she's making the case that mike pence could overturn the certified results of the presidential election in enough states to hand trump the victory. she portrayed this not just as something pence could do but as something pence must do to abide
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business his constitutional duty. do you have any doubt in your mind ben rhodes the trial run was january 2020 and they will do it again? >> to connect it, when you see steve bannon or anyone defying subpoenas that, what is unnatural is they don't care. they don't care about the potential legal consequences. they don't care about the potential society cost to them to be felons. they only care about one audience and that audience is donald trump and the element of the republican party he represents, the white nationalist element of the republican party they stirred up constantly around the big lie and other conspiracy theories and what they are betting on, joy, is that they can between the last election and the next one figure out how to make it impossible for donald trump to lose an election. this isn't just rhetoric. at the state level, they're replacing officials so that the people in charge of certifying
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elections will no longer be the kinds of people that took a stand in georgia for the integrity of elections but either going to be elected republican state legislatures who can overturn an election or so burroed into the structure that they'll be able to have their way. if they win the house of representatives or the senate in the midterm elections, they will have that to bring into the next election. this is not subtle, joy. they're talking about this out loud, this strategy is to delegitimize and just doing this in front of us and part of what i think is so awkward about american politics now is there is a normal set of actions, you know, infrastructure bill and the kinds of things that the republicans and democrats fight about in washington while is the same time, over here there is just this massive threat to the integrity of the american democracy that is actually getting worse before our eyes and legal accountability like calling steve bannon in on this
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doesn't care and that makes it difficult. >> that's the thing is that you have two realities curt that are happening at the same time. they're normal government, you know, that you see with joe biden. you have some republicans, there is a former white house communications director that is like yeah, people should testify and honor subpoenas that so the norm core over here but on the other side, there is this open, you know, as ben said, they're not hiding it. they're saying on the radio yeah, we're take thing country over, hello, we're taking this country over and announcing it and also saying oh, no, the school boards aren't trying to burn and they are like burn books. ban books. intimidate teachers. have proud boys standing there staring them down and scaring them. they're usually literally saying we'll use force to command this country and i don't know that the other side is reacting to that. >> i think this is the greatest challenge for democrats because the reality is republicans are
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willing to do everything and anything. there is no low too low for them to engage in in order to achieve the means and try to take back power. there is a line for democrats because we're ethical. we have a moral compass. we have moral values. republicans see that as a witness and democrats handicapping themselves. democrats need to get more aggressive on just about everything, joy, whether fighting the green new deal, education, infrastructure, voting rights, every time an issue comes up republicans successfully hijack it and turn it into something democrats start being afraid of. you don't see really a lot of democrats talking about the green new deal anymore because republicans contaminated that into something it isn't. they do the same thing with education and critical race theory and we need to take them head on one on one face-to-face and say every time they bring up an issue, listen, number one you don't have a that monopoly on
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loving america. this is the greatest country in the world and i'm proud to be here. our story is one i'm proud of. number three, if you want to talk about cancel culture, there is one party in america trying to cancel things and it's the republican party wanting to burn books. we need to take them head on and not cower away. >> we'll is more. we're out of time now. up with the stroke of a pen, president biden unlocks more than a trillion dollars speaking of norm core politics aimed at rebuilding america's outdated crumbling infrastructure. it's a pretty big deal. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is here to talk about this next after this. g is here this next after this
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america is moving again and your life is going to change for the better. >> today was finally joe biden's bf d-day and a monumental one. working class joe made it infrastructure week at long last signing the bill into law today as he noted it was a truly bipartisan effort, perhaps biden's favorite thing with 19 senate republicans and 13,000 republicans having voted for it. the law invests $550 billion into transportation, roads, bridges and tangible stuff. plus broad band and internet and improving the country's water system, the largest insta truk -- infrastructure in history topping dwight eisenhower but the beginning of what had administration wants to accomplish as the president and vice president pointed out today. >> this bill as significant as it is, as historic as it is part one of two.
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to lower costs and cut taxes for working families, to tackle the climate crisis at its core, congress must also pass the build back better act. the work of building a more per if he can union did not end with the railroad or the interstate, and it will not end now. >> joining me now is the u.s. secretary of transportation pete buttigieg. thank you for being here, secretary pete. when you first got this job, i remember you came on the show and i told you you were lucky because you got the trains job. i love trains. you got more than that. you wound up with a pretty cool deal here. this is over a trillion dollars in, you know, bipartisan bill to really rebuild the country. the big question now is how quickly does it get started, how much can be done in the next year because let's just talk about raw politics, the more people see, the more they will understand that it was the biden
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administration that did it. >> that's right and, you know, this is a day i've been waiting for for as long as i've been secretary of transportation. people who care about transportation in this country have been waiting for years, even for decades. a lot of people along the way questioning whether it could be done. we're here at this moment and of course, the pressure is on to deliver. i should say this bill includes near and long term efforts. some things will happen very quickly because we're taking grant programs that already exist in my department they're just going to have much more funding to work with. for example, this week will be rolling out the latest awards for what's called the raise grants. that's about a billion-dollars going to projects around the country that enhance safety and economic development and other things that communities need. for that $1 billion of funding, we got $10 billion in applications which means we know there are a lot more projects, good worthy projects ready to go
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we have a chance to fund next year and we won't wait until november to do it because we know how much interest there is. having said that, this isn't like the stimulus bill back in 2009 where it was all about shovel ready projects getting the money out into the economy as quickly as possible. this is yes for the near term but really about the long term, too and we're as interested in what we call shovel worthy projects as shovel ready projects. >> the challenge is the politics of this. this is a huge deal. this is eisenhower on steroids. when people are short term memory, it's what have you done for me lately, the polls show a pretty sizable chunk of the population thinking that biden hasn't done much and saying he hasn't done much forgetting that literally he walked into covid and did shots and checks and got the $2,000 and everybody was able to get their -- everybody willing to take it was able to get their covid shots and people forget that super quickly. i just came back from jackson, mississippi. they have a huge water crisis.
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that's something you can see people will be like when will you fix that? there is money in there to help triable nations. it includes funding for native communities to address broad band and resilience and water settlements, et cetera. do those end up being pushed to the front because they are urgent? >> yeah, i think a lot of these things can move quickly because it often local communities on the front lines that have efforts ready to go. i remember when i was mayor trying to make sure we have more resources for water and waste water and if the white house had been able to say to me hey, we're about to do a massive increase in funding, would you be ready to go? i would have been ready in a heart beat to put some of those dollars to work. that's one of the reasons whey i think it was powerful at today's ceremony to see not only members of the house and the senate from around the country and even from both parties but mayors from all over the country, governors, triable leaders and more because they're ready to go. they have just needed more from
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washington, more resources, more dollars, more of what it's going to take to accelerate the good work that's already going on. now, i will say that this is one where we didn't have to persuade the american people that infrastructure was a good idea. we just had to work with washington to catch up toward where the american people already are and i think that's an advantage making sure the benefits of this are understood. at the end of the day you can't argue with results so my department is getting to work finding creative ways to put the dollars to use and make sure people understand the difference it will make to the bridgeting fixed and the roads getting fixed is the bill the president signed. >> people like to see work being done. this is kyrsten sinema. she got a star turn today. i think she was the first to a speech. she got a prime speaking opportunity. here she was today. >> the senators that negotiated this legislation show how to get
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things done. the senators in our group of ten effectively represented the needs of the regions we represent. >> who does she believe she represents? you know, you've been on here and i've asked you this before. this is no surprise to you. the way she negotiated the work she did on this was not exactly very terms of the kind of people in the room so i think there is a perception that she's been a big block to the other big half of your bill, put it up here. you guys have a $1.75 trillion desire to do the bill that will help people of color, help women, that will help people that need child care. she's been the hurdle. so when she gets up there and says we negotiated this bill for our people that we care about, do you believe she is now committed and got enough carrots because a lot of carrots. she got to speak before the vice president got to speak today to get her to go along with the rest of your plan? >> well, we do think the frame work that is agreed to can pass
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the senate and get all of the democratic senators to vote for it. by the way, until the bell rings i'll challenge republican senators to vote for the child tax credit for working families, to vote for the tax fairness that asks the wealthy to pay their fair share even though i know they won't, i'll continue to ask for their support. you're right, that second part of the president's economic agenda is very, very important. having said that, i don't want to short what it means for communities of color to have this bill that was just signed. if you look at transit for example, americans of color much more likely to rely on public transit. look at the provisions for healthy ports, basically more electrifying of the ports so you don't have all of the trucks and equipment putting diesel exhaust and particlats in the air and high rates of asthma because they live close to the ports. when you look at triable lands and the unfortunately much higher rate of fatalities for pedestrians in triable areas as
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well as for black and brown pedestrians around the country, there is a racial justice element to the safety provisions, billions of dollars to make it safer to be a pedestrian or a driver on american streets. so yes, we continue to be of course very committed to seeing the part two that build back better what i call part two of the biden harris administration's big deal go through the house and the senate but i want to make sure benefits of this bill, by the way, also outside of transportation, obviously things like lead pipes hugely important to deliver across the country and we can't wait to tell the story ask do the work. >> you just going to make -- the people at the other network will be mad. i haven't got a chance to congratulate you on the twins. they're adorable. the liked the photo and retweeted it but i can tell you in person congratulations and congrats of the big bill. >> thanks so much. >> have a great evening. still ahead, more on this historic achievement.
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i am joined by michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian. so glad you're available for me to talk to today. put it in perspective for us. thank you for being here, mike l. put in perspective this bill. it's big. i mean, what do you make of it? >> there is no way our descendants won't be reading about what happened today in history books 100 years from now. you love trains, so do i. this is what presidents do because we need the infrastructure and because it helps the economy. abraham lincoln during the civil war made it possible for there
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to be a trans continental railroad. you and i have driven by walter reed medical center where a certain unmentioned president was sick last year and there for a couple days. well, he's not the only patient but that was public works that was invented by fdr, franklin roosevelt in the 1930s. he was an armature architect. roosevelt climbed the exterior of walter reed hospital and also chose the site and got really involved in the design of the post office and so in the 1930s, roosevelt's new deal was responsible for 70% of city halls, courthouses, 35% of public health instillations, new schools, 70% of those remade the
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country but are also saving our country because it brought the economy back from the depression. >> and this is why -- see, you going to make me keep you here for an hour and lose your free time. i could do this all night. >> >> and the thing that is so interesting is that biden is doing like a move where he is also correcting some of the things, i mean i think eisenhower was the greatest republican president to me personally but he had some problems. >> it is not like the best restaurant in a hospital. >> firm but fair. he is fixing some of the problems with the eisenhower era which they really harmed a lot of communities of color in going through and creating these highway systems. so they're doing both. let me ask you about the previous president. he i'm sure was losing his mind today because infrastructure was one of the things he wanted to do. he famously walked out of a meeting after a few minutes because he was being investigated at the same time.
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he wasn't able to do it. rob portman today tried to credit him with this infrastructure bill. got no applause for it. at the same time republicans are getting death threats for voting for this. for voting for bridges for their own communities. what do you make of that? >> trump taking credit for infrastructure, what happened today, is like the rooster taking credit for the sun rise. you know, the guy had four years. it did not happen. and, plus, you're absolutely right. it is his people who are phoning in death threats to the very tiny number of republicans who tried to make this possible. and the other point you made is perfect, joy, which is, you know, we love eisenhower in many ways. we love the interstate highway system. but that system was abused and manipulated in city after city to isolate or destroy black neighborhoods, latino neighborhoods, in some cases italian american neighborhoods. that will not happen this time. it can't.
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>> i hate to dwell on polls because they are e-phemeral and at this point in many presidencies presidents faced a loss of public confidence and joe biden faces a massive ongoing covid nightmare harming his numbers. his numbers are pretty low right now. >> sure. >> also a lot of americans who despite having gotten the shots and checks are telling pollsters he has accomplished nothing or almost nothing which i find amazing. i guess they spent the whole $2,000 and aren't happy anymore. does this matter? >> it would matter if we had midterms tomorrow but midterms last i heard will be a year from this month and there is a very good chance that what is happening today with infrastructure and also if the building back better bill passes as well could jump-start this economy in a way that a year from now, the fall of 2021 and our economic problems god willing will be something in the
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rear view mirror. >> this is my bigger question for you. we were talking with pete buttigieg about this, there is a norm core republican and democratic process which biden loves. he loves bipartisanship. so we got a tiny bit of bipartisanship today which he loves that. >> right. >> but that has to stand up against a massive anti-democracy movement that is active and vicious on the right. they're not going to stop. do you think biden's theory of the case that giving people tangible things like infrastructure can sap the steam out of that anti-democracy movement or are you worried it'll be ignored essentially by people who are so far gone they think that donald trump is the president? >> i think it can help us defeat the anti-democracy movement and i think you're not going to disagree with me when i say our democracy is in greater danger from within than at any time since before the civil war. more than 150 years ago. but if during the next year
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government is able to build bridges and roads and infrastructure all over and people see it and it makes their lives better and the economy gets better and people are happier just as in the 1930s there is a very good chance people will say, i was wrong. government can work. i shouldn't be so down on democracy. >> i hope that happens. because, yeah. there is nothing so unifying like not going through a pothole on your way driving somewhere. >> right. very concrete. >> it is very concrete. you're always so much fun to talk to. thank you. >> you, too >> i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> don't go anywhere. next we'll have tonight's absolute worst up next. a trump loyalist trying to undermine one of america's most basic founding principles, your freedom of religion. do not go anywhere.
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before his lock her up rants and qanon weirdness and claim that fear of muslims is actually like rational, michael flynn believe it or not was a very respected individual. he was somebody that most military people thought of as sort of a military great. he rose all the way to become the head of the defense intelligence agency, at one point he was one of the most respected generals in the united states. perhaps as a hint of what was to come, not long after he made it
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to those heights, he wound up actually getting fired by president barack obama from that position. after that, things started to get a little bit weird. so weird in fact, that president obama actually warned donald trump not to hire him to be his national security adviser but of course trump being trump did it anyway. that's when things really started to get weird. really weird. because the really impressive resume he had built up actually turned into a rap sheet when flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. he wound up getting pardoned by his dear leader and paid back the favor by going on a post partum media tour saying all the wacky things like how the myanmar style coup should take place in the united states or how the covid-19 vaccine can end up in salad dressing because that's a thing and seeming to pledge allegiance to qanon. this shell of his former three star general self michael flynn now beats on the anti-democracy drums every day which explains
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why he was subpoenaed by the house select committee last week. now trump's weird little general is actually spitting on the first amendment. >> they're talking about the united states of america. talking about the united states of america because when matthew mentioned it in the bible, he wasn't talking about the physical ground that he was on. he was talking about something in the distance so if we are going to have one nation under god which we must, we have to have one religion, one nation under god and one religion under god. >> one religion? you just heard a decorated three star general contradict the first amendment of the constitution. for doing that michael flynn is the absolute worst. that is "the reid out." chris hayes now. tonight on "all in." >> how are you feeling mr. bannon? >> three serts, two counts of contempt, and one appearance in court today steve bannon

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