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let's get rolling, everybody. good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian coming to you live from msnbc headquarters. we have a lot to get to this hour. steve bannon indicted for refusing to cooperate with the january 6th committee. what this means for the investigation into what happened that day. and we have shocking new audio
of the former president's callus response to the chants of hang mike pence aimed at his own vice president during the riot. plus new e-mails revealing how far the trump white house went to interfere with the cdc's covid response. and the kyle rittenhouse trial set to end on monday after an explosive week. that included the shooting suspect on the stand and the judge in the spotlight. and then a major court decision in singer britney spears' fight to regain control of her own life. the details on that as well. we want to begin on capitol hill of steve bannon's indictment on contempt of court. with me is nbc's juli tsurkin
and david henderson. julie, let me start with you on this one. walk us through the details of this indictment. >> reporter: yesterday hours after mark meadows, the former chief of staff, refused to appear for his deposition before the january 6th committee the department of justice prosecuted steve bannon with two counts of contempt of congress. the first count is for refusing to appear for his deposition as you mentioned numerous times. and the second for failing to produce documents, also subpoenaed by the committee. now, i should add both of those counts each of them carry up to a year behind bars and a $100,000 fine. and bannon is set to turn himself in according to our justice team on monday. now, we also know as we look ahead the committee is hoping this sends a warning shot to any other witness who is thinking of following bannon in the same path. the first one that comes to mind is one i mention at the top, mark meadows.
he was with the former president and his chief of staff during january 6th. let's listen to what the one of the members on january 6th had to say and their reaction to the indictment. >> it sends a really important message to future, you know, invited witnesses, future folks that are subpoenaed, you know, you cannot ignore congress. the reality is you may not like it. you may not like the investigation. you may think nothing wrong was done, but you're not going to be able to avoid it. >> reporter: that's adam kinzinger there, just one of two republicans on the house select committee investigating january 6th. he and vice chair liz cheney are no fans of the former president, but they're hoping this indictment will send a warning to the other 20 trump aides subpoenaed and compel them to testify before the committee. yasmin? >> david, let's get into that a little bit. first, i want to get kind of your overall reaction to this indictment. >> you know, my overall reaction to this indictment is it's the right thing for a.g. garland to be doing, and it sets a good
example for what prosecutors obligation is to do, and that is pursue justice. at the end of the day they say listen, we need to ask you some questions, produce some documents and you need to show up so we can do that. and when he refused they took action against him which is appropriate. at the same time, i don't think this is going to be enough to scare him or anyone else refusing to cooperate. >> okay, so let's expand on that a little bit because my follow-up to that is will this be enough, in fact, to get what they want from bannon, which in fact is his testimony, what he was doing in the days leading up to january 6th and on the day itself. >> that's right. and the reason it's not is because you've got to look at the way they play ball. they're not afraid of fighting. and whenever people are not afraid in court and they can afford really good legal rechtation, things can go further than you would think. so we're talking about somebody who has faced prosecution before. ultimately he was pardoned but still he beat it. people have faced these charges
three times since 1990. the worst thing that ever happened to someone is they end up getting put on probation. do i think this is going to incite people with fear to comply, no i don't. it takes time to prosecute and ultimately it doesn't get you what you want. what you want is for that subpoena to be enforced and that would take time and they know it. >> how do you see this with bannon specifically playing out, david, and what's the time line? >> i think ultimately the time line for the prosecution is hard to fully interpret. i think what you may see happen in the future is them actually try to enforce that subpoena in court, and the last time they tried to take those steps that process got drawn out for two years. so ultimately i think this falls flat. but i still think the justice department is doing the right thing here. >> could he end up behind bars? >> no. i mean, i would say in theory he could end up behind bars, sure. but, again, this has happened
three times since 1990. first two times people were put on probation. >> got it. >> the second time the charges were ultimately dropped. and the third time ultimately the justice department decided to let the case go. >> what message does this send to mark meadows? >> i think it sends the message we do mean business. the question is he more likely to get shaken than bannon is? and that's really hard to predict. but if you look at the track record for trump supporters so far they typically don't get scared when it comes to going to court and forcing the judicial process to follow through. >> i know you're going to be sticking with us throughout the hour, so thank you for that. coming up, by the way, in our next hour we're going to get reaction to the bannon indictment from michigan congresswoman debbie dingell, plus where she feels her party is on reconciliation talks. we're going to get into that as well. want to turn now to washington where the president is gearing up to sign the bipartisan infrastructure bill into law monday. the major win for his
administration, however, coming amid a concerning new report showing inflation is at its highest in three decades. nbc's mike memoli at the white house for us. great to see you this afternoon. how has the president been reacting to this really concerning economic data? and i guess the major question here is could it, in fact, kill a quick deal on his build back better agenda in congress, specifically with folks and moderates like joe manchin who have expressed concern when it comes to the economy before? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, yasmin. we've been talking about this for weeks. this is an administration, a president that really needed a political victory. they got a partial victory last week with the passage of that bipartisan infrastructure plan. so the white house planning here under way for a bill signing, really a celebration -- we usually say ceremony at the white house on monday in which he's going to be inviting a lot of the key moderates who were part of the writing of that infrastructure bill who are going to be key to the passage
of the larger reconciliation measure. we're also going to see the president hitting the road this week heading to a gm plant to build that political momentum back on his side for a really tough few weeks. as they've been selling the merits of this infrastructure plan now it's going to become law wave seen the white house tempering that rhetoric by acknowledging a lot of pain americans have seen in their pocketbooks. what's coming in the reconciliation plan are going to be key in dealing with those pressures. we heard from one of the president's top economic advisers talking about on all hands on deck approach from the administration. >> he's very keyed into family budgets and the middle class. and any inflation is a stressor therein. on the other side of the coin we know we're creating historically large numbers of jobs. the unemployment rate is falling
fast. unemployment claims are down 70%. record job creation, record job openings. but at the same time we have these price pressures. and the president has dispatched us to do everything we can to ameliorate them. >> reporter: so yasmin, you could really hear it there, the balancing act of the good news with a bit of concern over some of the tough news americans are feeling. that's going to be on display in the coming weeks. we talked about that reconciliation measure, it stands in congress. congress is back in town this week. we're waiting really for two things. one is that score from the congressional budget office. it's essentially going to try to back up what the white house is saying, which is that his reconciliation plan is fully paid for. we're also going to see what manchin -- we can't go through without talking about what joe manchin thinks. and his number one concern, really, has been all along about inflation pressures. larry summers, he was a critic early in the administration of
the covid relief law saying it was going to cause inflation. but now he's saying this is really going to address the concerns americans are facing. >> yeah, i can't help but wonder, mike, as to what folks like pramila jayapal are going to do if joe manchin starts to back pedal on this one. hence the reason why they went forward a vote on hard infrastructure, but of course that's all going to play out over the next week or so. thank you, my friend. good to see you. all right, the ifitionflation fears the white house is concerned about is no surprise, of course, to shoppers. if you're out there buying goods you know the prices have, in fact, gone up. nbc's stephanie stanton in st. petersburg, florida, covering this. good to see you. listen, thanksgiving just around the corner. talk us through what is causing some of these vital supplies like groceries to soar and really if there's any relief in sight. >> reporter: yeah, good
afternoon to you, yasmin. the bad news is there does not appear to be any relief in sight. many analysts agree we could expect to see inflation continue through 2022. overall nationwide inflation numbers standing at 6.2%. but here in florida and the southeast, it is even higher. a 7.2% increase since october 2020. when it comes to those food prices not much better. those have risen about 5.5%, and we're seeing some of the biggest jumps on those staples, things like beef, sugar, dairy, eggs and even coffee. we had a chance to talk to these shoppers here outside this publix in st. petersburg, and they're not the least bit surprised, and they're talking about some of the struggles they are having with these prices. take a listen. >> feeling it is an understatement, and i have four children to feed, four grown children, well, one grown and
three teenagers. and two are athletes who eat a lot of pasta, and so going to the grocery store is now something i dread really to be honest because of inflation, because of how expensive everything is. >> we're always concerned about inflation. i think there are a other things a little more important in society and life than a few ticks on the inflation rate. but, yeah, certainly it's of concern because as it hits people that are struggling or that depend -- rent or food and et cetera where some of us may not be as concerned about those smaller things and we can afford maybe a 5% tip now and then, people on the edge cannot. >> reporter: and americans also feeling the pain at the pump. gas prices are at their highest levels in nearly seven years. >> astounding to see some of the prices out there right now. stephanie stanton for us in florida, thank you.
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welcome back. so right now in wisconsin 500 national guard troops are being placed in kenosha on the governor's order. the reason, to help keep the peace in that town as closing arguments in the trial against kyle rittenhouse are set to begin on monday. rittenhouse faces homicide charges for fatally shooting two
men and seriously injuring another. last summer during protests in kenosha following the police shooting of jacob blake. the trial initially drew scrutiny for its almost totally white jury panel selection. now someone else is attracting even more attention in the courtroom, the judge. throughout the proceedings judge bruce shroeder has been accused of bias following a seriesf of bizarre statements and angry outbursts towards the prosecution. take a listen. >> by the way, mr. richards absolutely correctly points out that just hours ago i said i heard nothing in this trial to change any of my rulings. so why -- pardon me? >> that was before the -- >> don't get brazen with me. is there something i'm saying that draws the face you're making? >> i have to say, your honor, yesterday i was the target of your ire, for disregarding your recorders. today the defense is
disregarding your order. >> i was talking yesterday about the constitution of the united states that's not what we're talking about here today. let's hope for 1:00, i hope the asian food isn't coming, isn't on one of those boats in long beach harbor. >> okay, joining me now nbc's ellison barber. we know the judge is considering lesser charges for rittenhouse. what does this mean when it comes to a potential conviction? >> the legal analysts we've spoken to say it's not uncommon necessarily for prosecutors to go this route and ask for lesser charges to be allowed, but they also tell us this could indicate that the prosecutors in this particular case feel like they may be in trouble and maybe not guaranteed a conviction.
and so they're looking at this as sort of backup options for lack of a better word, so that they can get some kind of conviction because they don't feel entirely confident in where they stand right now. as you said the judge is inclined -- he has said he's inclined to accept lesser charges that the prosecution is asking for. he said he will say and make a final decision on all of those requests some time today. we're still waiting for that. but in court yesterday he explained to the defendant what that would mean. listen. >> by having a lesser included offense included you're raising the risk of conviction although you're avoiding the possibility that the jury will end up compromising on the more serious crime. >> reporter: and remember kyle rittenhouse faces five felony charges, three of them homicide related plus a misdemeanor weapons charge. he has pled not guilty to all of those. if allowed, the jury could
consider lesser charges in some instances. an example of that would be potentially looking at reckless instead of intentional homicide. yasmin? >> david, let's start there. what do you make of this consideration of lesser charges here and what this means for where this trial is headed? >> yasmin, what it really means is what we heard reported. and that is the prosecutors don't have a good grasp of what's going on with this trial. this was a hard trial to win from the beginning. the weight of the evidence that has come in is really bad for the prosecution. what they're essentially arguing is what state of mind they're going to have to prove kyle rittenhouse when he shot three people, two of whom he killed and one of whom he injured. i think it indicates that the prosecution is going to have an even more convoluted indictment to argue than the one they already have regardless of how the judge rules on each individual request. >> what did you make, david, as
we've played some sound of the judge's conduct throughout this trial so far, much of it being shared on social media as well. what do you make of it? >> now, yasmin, i have to be honest i look at it and think to myself i would never want to have to appear in front of judge shroeder. judge shroeder is actually relatively flormal for your courthouse where you're dealing with trial cases and i've seen judges much harder than him. the prosecution wed was dead wrong in the circumstances you did. and when you're a trial lawyer you have to know better than to do some of the things they did. >> expand on that for me where you talked about the prosecution being dead wrong when the judge came down on him. >> absolutely. they entered into ground where they shouldn't have done so.
let's look at the fundamental problem here. it's like if you ask your mom when you're in high school hey, mom, can i go out this friday and she says no, you can't go out this friday. something happens on wednesday that makes you think oh, she'd probably change your mind if i ask her again but you never actually asked her again. you just took off on friday. you come home and you get in trouble. and you say mom i figured you'd say yes this time, but she says, yeah, but you never actually asked me. what happens on saturday you get into another confrontation with your mom and you say, mom, if you recall yesterday you were very upset with me and i thought you were rather unjust with how you treated me, she's going to come down on you like a ton of bricks. the judge isn't any different. so that's bad lawyering. >> i'd love to meet a teenager that actually talks like that to their mother, by the way. tell me a bit about some highlights of rittenhouse's testimony on the stand. >> i was cornered from in front
of me with mr. zuminsky, and there were -- i didn't want to kill anybody. >> then why are you shooting at someone with an ar-15 at close range? you didn't pick out the ar-15 for any other reason? >> i thought it looked cool. but, no. >> you say i'm trying to get to the police. why were you trying to get to the police? >> because i didn't do anything wrong. i defended myself. >> what do you make of the cross-examination the prosecution, david? >> overall i thought the prosecution took too long to get to the point. they have jumped to discussing what happened with each individual shooting. really what this needs to turn on that that first shooting of rosenbaum. they could look at each shooting individually in terms assessing criminal liability but i think
what they're more likely to do is treat this as a domino effect. and i think the prosecution failed to emphasize the circumstances rittenhouse was facing. at the end of the day rosenbaum is 5'3", and i don't think somebody who's 5'3" running at you and got a large plastic bag in your direction warrants you shooting them four times and killing them. also part of the problem was they didn't deal effectively with the two subsequent shootings because the way people are processing this evident is very different than the way they should, and that's not a good sign going into closing arguments. >> i was reading earlier that 500 national guard troops on standby, obviously, for what may take place in kenosha over the coming days. is this city, in fact, ready, from what you've seen over the last couple of days? >> you know, it's interesting because this community is divided on this just like the rest of the country is. politically this is a 50-50 split very purple community, so
this has in many ways become a political argument. in terms of how things are, whether or not the city is ready, things are very calm right now. we've spoken to some people who live here. they say they're worried regardless of what the outcome is here, they could see some sort of violence again, and they don't want to see that happen in this community again. as you mentioned there are some 500 national guard members now on standby to come to this area if local authorities ask for help. >> ellison barber, thank you. and thank you for sticking out in the cold. i can tell it's a little chilly there to say the least. david, thank you as well. coming up, everybody, the shocking new video. and up next meet one of the newest faces on the hill, ohio congresswoman shontel brown
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all right, so we're continuing to follow developing news on capitol hill where steve bannon has been indicted on two counts of contempt of congress. the indictment arrives after weeks of stone walling by the former trump aide who defied multiple congressional subpoenas by the january 6th committee as part of its investigation into the insurrection. it may also serve as a warning sign to the remaining trump allies who have been similarly noncompliant such as former chief of staff mark meadows. we will discuss all of this and more with our panel coming up featuring nbc news' ana shekter, haze brown and legal analyst glenn kirschner coming up 4:00 p.m. eastern time. you don't want to miss that discussion. and there are some new faces in congress as well saddled with some of the most trying and
divisive issues lawmakers have seen this century. and for one new house member it has already been a whirl wind. ohio's newest representative, shontel brown, won her seat tuesday in a special election. by wednesday morning she was on a plane to washington, d.c. speaker pelosi swore her in that thursday just in time for her to cast her vote friday on the long fought infrastructure bill, the biggest piece of legislation in biden's term. >> on monday i look forward to signing into law the infrastructure act, the investment and jobs act. this was a bipartisan bill, bipartisan support. and proving we can still come together. it's hard but we can still come together to get something big done for the american people. >> but there was no time for rest for her because the democrats version of the build back better bill is not cleared through the senate. the representative shontel brown
is joining me now taking a moment to speak with us. congratulations on your win, and thank you for taking the time to speak with us this afternoon. let me ask you first. you arrive in d.c., you vote the next day on the infrastructure bill. had you read through the entire legislation before you cast your vote? did you have the time? >> actually, i have to be honest i didn't have time to read the entire bill. but the beautiful thing about being welcomed with such awesome members and having had the privilege of connecting with folks like the whip, whip clyburn and congresswoman joyce beatty and congresswoman meeks and thompson, i had the privilege of being apprised of all the changes and updates when i came in. prior to that vote i had my very first caucus meeting before i was sworn in. so i had a chance to sit with the democratic caucus and listen to speaker pelosi as she shared some of the highlights and features of that bill so i would
be better prepare on thursday to cast my vote. so as you mentioned it was a whirlwind, but one i was very prepared for. >> i bet. and i can't help but wonder what was it like watching from the outside in, watching these negotiations go down and then actually then being in the midst of it? and you are still very much in the midst of it because of build back better and trying to get that agenda through. how is it like now to be on the ground and trying to make this work? >> well, it was a surreal experience for me, but beak able to witness the cbc really stick and land that legislation was a proud moment for me. in addition to being sworn into congress i was also sworn into be a proud and historic member of the congressional black caucus which had a very heavy hand in bringing the two sides as the media would describe it together. so it's been more than i could ever imagine but something i am
certainly grateful for because i came to washington to deliver for the people of the 11th congressional district. it's no secret cleveland has been ranked among one of the poorest cities in the nation for many years. to be able to deliver a package that will deal with kitchen table issues and quality of life issues is a big deal for me. and so i think i'm doing what the people in ohio's 11th congressional district expect me to do. >> one of the poorest cities in the nation. we're looking at an infrastructure bill that could likely help a city like yours, a district like yours. what are some of your top priorities when it comes to this human infrastructure bill? what are your nonnegotiables? >> well, listen, i understand it takes compromise to get things done. and so what i really want to see is just more opportunities to get people back to work so that means universal child care, universal pre-k expansion, expanding that child tax credit,
those are things going to be very important to the people of the 11th congressional district. increasing the maximum spend for pell grants so we have better opportunities to put people on pathway to prosperity. those are the things critically important that i hear the most. also when we think about lowering prescription drug costs, that's going to be important. so it's a lot in this bill that will really change the lives of constituents not only in ohio's 11th congressional district but throughout the country. when we talk about making investments into affordable housing, things like that, this package touches on so many things that can really, really be a shot in the arm to reverse course in a city like ours that's been a struggle for generations. >> thank you for taking the time. congratulations once again. we'll be watching your rise, that is for sure. thank you, shontel. coming up, freedom.
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terminate the conservatorship effective immediately. there's the conservatorship of her estate, her 60 million there is fortune and then the conservatorship of her person, her personal life choices. and both of those were dissolved. brit did not pull in to speak but her attorney did share statements she made in an emotional testimony earlier in the year in june. britney spears then took to instagram to share her love for her fans after the ruling calling it the best day ever. and i can tell you just being on the ground there for that moment when everyone learned of britney's newfound freedom it was electric, very high energy. people had flown in from across the country to be there. many of her fans and members of the free britney movement have been following her piece for months, some years. listen here. tell me what today means to you? >> it means everything to me. britney spears has been one of
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welcome back, everybody. california health care workers are sending the nation a warning about covid. don't get complacent. while the number of new cases has gone down dramatically around country, california has an uptick with almost 5 million cases and almost 73,000 deaths. and with many of these cases happening in more rural and unvaccinated parts of the state california is making some changes in its booster shot policy. nbc's scott cohn for us.
it's great to see you. tell us what california is doing. >> reporter: it's a big change in messaging in just the last few day. as we were going through this and the boosters were starting to come online and we got the initial guidance from the feds, the idea was that a booster might be a good thing to do. well, now they're saying, first of all, to providers if anybody comes in asking for a booster whether they meet the guidelines or not go ahead and give it to them. and they're telling the public you really should go ahead and get that booster shot, that it's every bit as important as your original vaccination. and as you can see at this vaccination site in santa clara county, in san jose, they are seeing some steady traffic. a lot of this is families with young children who are now eligible for shots but also people coming in to get their boosters or to get their initial vaccinations. and here's what they're up against even in california which has posted some of the best covid numbers in the nation over the last few months, we're
starting to see case rates either plateau or even tick up statewide. so officials are saying now is not the time to let your guard down. >> what i advise my colleagues and my patients, my loved ones is this pandemic is continuing to throw us curve balls, so don't get comfortable. you know, there are things we're all going to need to continue to do in the next few weeks and months to protect ourselves and to make sure that we can deliver the highest level of care in our medical profession. >> reporter: vaccination rates in california have been outpacing the national average about 73%, 74% of adults now or people over 12 i should say are fully vaccinated compared to about 68% nationwide. that's a positive, but in terms of booster shots, only about 14% of californians who are fully vaccinated have gotten their boosters. officials say that needs to improve. and by the way, it's not just california changing the guidance.
we're also seeing now colorado and new mexico saying essentially the same thing, trying to head off this potential yet again winter wave of covid. yasmin? >> scott cohn for us. thank you, scott. meanwhile, new documents revealing the repeatedly interfered with the cdc's efforts to warn americans about coronavirus, even going so far as to alter safety guidance and destruct that could be seen as political interference. dr. kavita patel. thank you for joining us on this. let me start with what we're learning about the trump white house and the cdc as well. so repeatedly, you have here undermining the agency's covid planning efforts, political reporting this. white house adviser scott atlas encouraged to steer the federal response away from the cdc.
what is your reaction to that? >> not surprised at all and this is just the tip of the iceberg. that came out from that congressional testimony, incredibly compelling. i read all of it because it felt like i was reliving and these are people that i knew and had worked with personally and i was hearing bits and pieces of well, we're not allowed to do that or i'll get in trouble if i say that. i thought, that's crazy. these are cdc career staff and that was validated in what we saw in the coverage from the testimony. i truly believe so much more will come out and at some point, we'll do the equation, how many lives could have been saved had the truth come out and not in a way that scares the public but just informs the public. the press couldn't even get information when requested. so there was a block on so many levels that it's actually just sad because i feel like nobody's
going to be held accountable for these behaviors. >> and maybe lives that were lost wouldn't have been lost had there been more aggressive testing strategies at the very start or jump of this pandemic. talk to me about this fear of uptick in covid cases with the winter months around the corner. of course, we are now dealing with a much more vaccinated population than we were dealing with last winter when nobody was vaccinated. >> yeah, it's a better situation than last winter, and even with the delta surge, we haven't seen the peak, believe it or not. we have never seen those peak numbers the way we saw in the winter. that's good news. however, i think scott said it and others on his clip said it, complacency. we have seen what has happened in complacency in other parts of the world. the uk, eu, singapore, countries doing so well have seen a number of increases. it's a combination of people are just sick and tired of wearing masks and doing things, so they're not and then it's also
some of what we're talking about called waning immunity. that means that it's very normal, your vaccines, my vaccines that work over time just decrease in how strong they are if we're exposed to the virus. it's why we need boosters. you see the public health community split on this. not everyone thinks everybody needs a booster. i'm of the mindset that the data supports pfizer trial, upper limit was 73, average person 53 years old, not with special conditions and it showed it really dramatically increased antibody response back to the second dose level. i think these are important conversations to have. i think what california and colorado and other states are doing is to try to get ahead of any sort of winter surge. so i'm optimistic that our vaccines work, but let's be honest, 60% of the country has been vaccinated. feels like the rest of the country is stalled or not eligible or confused about whether they should get a vaccine. >> school-age children able to be vaccinated now.
my son was one of the kids that got vaccinated just a couple of days ago. i put a picture on instagram of him because i wanted to kind of tell everybody as a public service announcement, he, by the way, had no side effects except for a sore arm and i honestly didn't even believe that, but nonetheless, dr. patel, a lot of parents are asking, when can we take the masks off? when can kids go back to normal now that we have young children able to be vaccinated? >> very fair question. i would ask the exact same thing, even if i were not a doctor. it's appropriate. so i think what we have to see, it would be easy to say we need to see community rates decline, hospitalizations, that's all true but with having an understanding with children, everybody in the classroom, the majority of them have to be vaccinated. so we'll get down to the microlevel. schools are going to have to make decisions if they don't reach a certain vaccination level, let's call it, i won't say a percentage but at least
80% of the classroom, then you're really going to have to keep people protected to protect those who are not vaccinated. so i feel very strongly, if everybody's vaccinated in the classroom and their households are vaccinated, that's the safest. >> and then we can take the masks off. great to see you this afternoon. >> you too. economic concerns. history tells us it may be too soon to panic about the current inflation. but short-term may be too long for millions of americans who can't afford to wait it out. "shark tank" star kevin o'leary with why he thinks inflation is only temporary. book banning to book burning. what started as a political talking point now fueling a frightening movement in school districts across this country. districts across this country. >> i think those books, i don't want to even see them. i think they should be thrown in a fire. thrown in a fire kevin!
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