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this is trump challenging of the power of select committee. it's going get a lot uglier in the days and weeks ahead. snie know you will be spending next week worrying about the yankees aaron judge along deal. in terms of your professional life, walk us through. how is the senator back? we have got a lot of work to be done on the reconciliation package. walk us through what next week is going to look like over the capitol hill. >> it could happen on thursday. that'll be the biggest issue here, got to be everything for us being that package of the house. >> all right, john of punch ball news. we appreciate it. i won't make any more yankees
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comment. >> have a wonderful weekend, get some sleep. "morning joe" starts now. the faa proposed more than $200,000 in fines for ten unruly passengers. this is nice, starting today if you are flying from florida, they ask you if you want to prepaid four -- your fine. >> oh, that's unbelievable. >> it's funny because it's true. as we take a look at the top, look at the light and the house view from the top of the comcast. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, november the 12th. mika is under the weather and willie has the morning off. with us, we have our nbc news
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political analyst, claire mckaskill and former prosecutor coming through a lot of legal cases, host and executive producer of show time "the circus" john island and eugene robinson. good to have all of you here. let's start with the defense resting of the murder trial of kyle rittenhouse. nbc news, gabe gutierrez, has the details. >> reporter: the kyle rittenhouse is towards the conclusion. >> the defense rests its case. protesters fired a shot into the air and rittenhouse first opened fire with his rifle killing joseph rosenbaum.
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. >> the 18-year-old faces six charges, following the police shooting of jacob blake. he's emotional testimony backed up by another eyewitness today recorded video that night, he testified that rosenbaum pushed a dumpster that was on fire. >> he was already charging kyle from behind, attempts to throw a bag at him. he's lunging towards him clearly. >> no ruling on the defense team request for a mistrial. the prosecor budding heads with the judge over exactly what video experts should discuss. >> i have to say yesterday i was the target of yours for
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disregarding your order. >> you have been out here everyday? >> jacob blake's uncle says he did not think rittenhouse's testimony was genuine. >> what we saw was ridiculous. he should have been at home playing x-box but instead he's out in the street carrying a military style gun that murdered two people with. >> closing arguments are expected to be on sunday. let's bring informer prosecutor charles coleman. we talked about the case yesterday morning. what happened yesterday? >> well, yesterday what we saw was at the defense wrapping things up. now they're ready for the jury. if i am the defense, i would feel really good going into it.
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all they need to be able to sway one juror and i think in this case they may have more than one. all they need to do is sway one juror who says i have reasonable doubt of kyle rittenhouse's mind. they walk away and the prosecution is unable to get a secure conviction because they need that unanimously. one thing i will say is that much heat as prosecution taken throughout the course of this trial and the course of the this case where this lengthy cross-examination of rittenhouse. now they will have an opportunity on summation to piece those things together from a relatively boring and
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uninteresting cross-examination. i don't know whether that'll be enough to overcome the jury's reaction to rittenhouse testimonies or whether they were moved or excited by that or engaged by that. this is the opportunity that prosecution will have to prover everyone wrong. >> talk about the standard that prosecution has. it's a high legal standard but we would not want it to be anything less in a charge this serious. what do they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? >> they have to be able to prove that he acted either recklessly or intentionally with disregard for human life and ultimately, the issue they're going to have there is kyle rittenhouse's conduct the entire time prior to pulling the trigger. so that's going to be a big
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huddle for them to get over. defense is going to bring up everything, every step and minute and action that rittenhouse took before the confrontation shows he was acting away of the appropriate regard for human life and it's going to be a matter of self-defense. that's the uphill battle that prosecution have to climb trying to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> as a former prosecutor, talk about your take on this trial and more importantly if you are given the fact pattern that we have here. what charges would you have brought, what challenges and do you thick has been an uphill battle for prosecution since day one? >> first of all, laws are a little different as it relates to homicide cases. >> and what you always have to remember when you are charging a
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homicide case that in the charge, you are including other charges. it's all about state of mind. whether it's intentionally or whether it's recklessly or negligently. i am not sure this prosecutor mischarged the case because he's going of the opportunity to argue which ever state of mind he thinks the strongest evidence presents. there is nothing wrong with arguing obviously. there are certain substantial evidence that he was intense on killing someone as he roams the streets with his military-style weapons. >> it's a matter as the former pointed out, you got all of the jurors.
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they draw the final juror out of a lottery, they had 18 of them. we always have two extra alternates and if we didn't need them at the end, a summation, they went home. it was great for us to take the temperature of what they thought as a jury deliberated. >> claire, as you look at the charges for murder in each one of the cases, you see defense has effectively called witnesses and others to suggest that rittenhouse is being charged at felt that he was being in danger being attacked in each one of those cases. that'll be difficult for the prosecution. here we have a 17-year-old kid under age said he bought an ar-15 because he thought it was cool. he drove across state lines. he appointed himself from a
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militia member and he goes around and ends up unloading 60 rounds and killed two people and wounds a third person. this is behavior. i am talking about conservatives, gun rights and supporters and be as a society, this is a behavior want to discourage. the question is what law is in place? my teenage kid its going to wave around an ar-15. none of us, none of us want this sort of behavior. what's the charge against him for that? what's in the law that prevents
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that sort of activity from taking place in the future? >> i am sure it will include his state of mind. he was not hesitating to use a weapon to kill people. prosecutor has a strong argument he can make. he went there with intent. now, they got to show that his intent was reasonable, the defense has to say whoa, his defense of himself was reasonable under the circumstances. the prosecutors got a lot to talk about her. clearly if you are talking about a reckless standard. i think that's obvious and much firmer ground for him in light
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of all the self-defense evidence that the defense presented todd to the jury. >> the jury if the trial was a man accused killing ahmad arbery. ron allen has the latest for us from this trial. >> i got a trespasser there. he's a color guy. a homeowner's 911 call after seeing someone in his security camera. the video from five months before the encounter. attorney say it was aubrey. as the defense tried to convince the jury, aubrey was not as jogger but a suspicious one. mcmichael already come face-to-face with. the jury hearing mcmichael's
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call. >> rerehe reached into his pock. prosecutor shows the video of several other people at the location while questioning if he stole anything. >> the defendants had no reason to chase arbery on the day in question. >> what does he say online three to six? >> he was trapped like a rat. >> for people who grow up in big cities, those of us in suburbia, middle class america, somebody
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is building a house and we are walking around the block at night. you walk into that house and it's just -- i am sorry, a lot of us don't have broadway place to watch every night. that's what my parents did growing up. that's what mik and i have done when we walk around neighborhoods. it's crazy when these people decide they're going to execute this kid because he's walking around a house under construction? it's kind of what people in the suburbs do. >> so, charles, i will go to you on this as well. talk about how this case is moving forward for the prosecution. >> well, i think this case is going a lot better for the prosecution overall. in a lot of ways i said and i will standby that race is the 13th juror in this case. what i mean is there is
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incredibly difficulty finding jurors because in one case they wanted jurors who represented the fabric of the community. they wanted black jurors but did not have the black experience of dealing americans. those are two things that are difficult to separate. going back to the argument you made of the rittenhouse's case. i don't know if i am ready to conclude there are in the a significant member of americans who are not okay of the type of behavior rittenhouse displayed. >> i am going to use the mcmichael family as an example. these were people who felt em boddened to protect property. those folks may have been somehow been a threat and it was okay to engage lethal force as a way of doing so. that mindset is not all
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together. it's different than what we have seen in the white house cases. >> i am not prepared to see we don't want this as a society. >> i think many people on the panel might. >> i think it's important that we understand as this trial goes on. there are american kids who actually feels like this is okay. >> the other thing i am going to point out quickly, he talked about, he did not want another press of another black pastor in the galli of the audience or this trial. i want to point out that he made this remark once it was reverend al sharpton who was there in present son. >> that's why i say race has became the jurors in this case. it's not something we'll be able to get away from. i think the prosecution -- i think we have to be aware of everything else that's going on.
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>> yeah, we are going to be talking to reverend al at 8:00. the bizarre moment where the defense first of all says that and then starts making a bizarre reference, the kentucky fried chicken and colonel sanders and white mask. >> the idea that we'll be bringing these people into sit with the victim's family one after another obviously there is only so much pastors you can have, al sharpton right now, that's fine. that's it. we don't want anymore black pastors coming in here or jessie jackson seeing what the victim. >> that would be good. >> um, yeah, you knee other people sitting at the table with their head in their hands.
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so jean, i think it's safe to say here for the defense that race plays more than just a little part of this. he says he within the want anymore black plast to here. he brings up kentucky fried chicken and colonel sanderss is absolutely bizarre racist spectacle. >> yeah, why don't you spell it out? >> put down the dog whistle and pick up the bull horn and announce your case is basically right, trying to scare the baur. the idea that there would be this black man there in their
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neighborhood potentially in their neighborhood. as a black man he would be dangerous and he could be armed and he was a threat. so forever it was okay to feed him to death. that's the case that's being put on. there is no bnus about it. >> it's not hidden. as you said, if every person, certain white person who wandered into a construction site to look at a house, how a house is being facility in the bushes. the threat of being killed for doing so. >> i have plenty of neighbors, too who would be bad. >> we all would. >> everybody walks on the side. >> yes. >> it's just amazing, did he
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ever take anything? no. >> was anything ever disturbed. it's already. >> that's several cases. already >> that's several cases. >> so we go from kenosha and georgia to the tragedy still on folding in houston. the ninth person has died after one unique after the concert. we are hearing police audio from that night. morgan chesky reports. >> reporter: mother's tears marking another family torn apart by the deadly concert festival. >> this is not a concert because my baby did not come back. >> reporter: she died on tuesday, she had been on avent later since friday night when
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her discuss watched her disappear where the idaho surged. >> they suffocated us. they did this to barthi. the ninth life lost facing a lawsuit. >> we want to make sure the people who decided to put profits over tr safety of the lives of children and youth are held accountable. >> there is a lot of people trampled and they're passed out at the front stage. >> reporter: police just obtained at the houston chronicle captures the moment the concert was packed with more than 50,000 people took a deadly turn. this transmission at 9:21 p.m. >> a mass casualty declared at
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9:30 p.m. >> stop the show. >> scott did not stop performing until 10:10. his representative says he was unaware of what was happening. >> yeah, his representative says one aware of what's happening. at the same time, a tragedy, a mass national event was called and he continues to play 40 minutes. people coming up on the stage saying stop the show. and he continues for 40 minutes. it does not help his case that he hassing a long history of causing chaos at concerts. scott faces three charges, inciing a riot and endangering the welfare of a minor after he in divided fans at within of he is shows in arkansas.
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scott bleed guilty and had to pay more than $6,000 for two people injured in the show. >> he participated in reckless conduct for inciting a crowd in 2016. >> the height of reckless. we were supposed to have learned our lessons. >> my kids when they want to go to a concert, i say yes, i will look at tickets and i will help you out with your tickets but i am not getting a general admission that my kids have grown up knowing they're not going to be general emissions for this reason alone. it's a huge music fan. what's your take of this
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tragedy. >> i have been listening to you all week thinking that i a agre in almost every card. >> travis scott had a massive following among generation z. i have been to outdoor shows in as travis scott has played, even in those settings, they're really placid. the prepandemic, you see the energy that was a low worrying to the point where peeshl now when people have just coming back to a lot of live shows and
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they're so much pent-up energy. so many places togetheren how to do these things because we have not seen events like this. you would think you would be airing on the side of caution at an event like this. 50,000 people on all at one stage. with that, a level of general admission of no barricades, a, b, c, nothing to prevent this. it seems like the hike of and of course travis scott's behavior on stage. the revelation has a nags line. >> what are they going to do up to tens of millions of dollars investments? >> and most of them have been made. they have to decide whether they'll can el this thing or not. the last thing i will say is i
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am an old man as are you. >> i got a lot of young workers, young staff over at the recount, people in their 20st or 30s. >> i have been stung how widespread and among people who leave yously thought he was. now they're looking at this and it looks like this guy's career is in a significant degree of. >> i really don't know where the prosecutor would start here.
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a mass casualty event was called and people stopping the show. and you have a mass general admission everyone. you are just asking especially with the performer with this type of reputation of jennings up the proud who had charges of fighting before. reports of police officers flu shot acting as quickly as they could have acted. i mean you have a buchb of kids who came to their show, who were let down in the planning stage and the performance stage and the security state. this is a nightmare. >> well, joe, i agree with you. we hit the nail on the head when you start talking from a criminal standpoint around the promoters and responsibility as well as security. >> in particular t mock nation
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and the promoter of even. they're safety to profd a safe situation for over 50,000 people. i do think because of the injuries that were sustained and the loss of life may occurred, there may be a case here with regards to neck ecology death in texas. >> what they knew about prooefr yous events in. that's happening right there in that space. >> when you talk about other events that scott has had headlined. and i do think that what we saw result in terms of the loss of life, nine people does begin to
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form a criminal and given all of this stuff they could having taken but did not in terms of the negligence. >> thank you so much, eric coleman. >> i am curious of what's happening in houston. >> i would look at protethers and look at tl security team that are out there. it's a the performer who's making a lot of money. >> if this were happening in kansas city, who would you be looking at? >> i would look at all of the above, placing people in jeopardy. my question on this and this is something that i think the united states police chief association ought to talk about. when those calls came in, they
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had the power to pull the plug on that concert, law enforcement should have gone to the stage and said this thing is over. immediately. once ambulances were involved and once they got eyes on how bad it was, i really question why they didn't take the steps of shutting it down. they have responsibilities too. just imagine when you have unsafe mass casualty events that the police let the situation continues when they had the power to pull the plug. >> i have not seen reporting on this. maybe there is been some and i have missed it. i would like to ask the police officers of the first medical response to the site, why there was not radio traffic to shut it down. >> at 9:30.
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you have the mask casualty event, i was talking with jonathan lemire earlier in week, in new york city there was a concert in the park and there was lightning. >> they told the band they needed them to shut it down. they ugh plugged everything and told everybody to go home. it's hard to imagine this is happening in new york city with new york city cobs and letting something go on for 40 or 45 minutes after a massachusetts casualty event had been called. >> it's really hard to imagine. i know we have seen the numbers of police who are on the ground in houston. it's not a small number. i mean claire is raising the exact question. some of the most last i can reports that came out of these things were these kids who had
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managed escaping the ma. >> and being trampled. kids who got out of that and climbed up on the stage or climb up on some of the sound boards and were yelling at people on the stage saying, look at what's happening down there. pull the plug. >> they got engineers and other people ignoring them and shooing them away while kids are screaming. >> people are dying down here. >> that answers the next question. they should not have been mixing, the moment i declare a 911 call goes out and the first ambulance dispatched to the site under the circumstances, there should be police involved and locking ready to cut the music.
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>> take the i stage and the only thing that suggests are either. i hate to say that this is, the people are cut out of practice. we have not had these events for a couple of years or have the police kind of forgotten? >> i don't mean literally forgotten, everyone is so happy to see these events coming back. is that is part of the answer here? >> is the pack of the police were frad. >> it's the case in some situations where police officers have not seen these kinds of events. theys are intimidated l of the crowd's reaction. >> you can see and i have seen security and some show goes wild. if we shut it down, the crowds are going to go crazy. >> that foeds to unpleasant
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questions. they are paying their money and let them finish themselves. >> all of it will speak to a great responsibility and certainly the moral realm. >> not just with the police officers or the performers but the promoters as well. >> just across the board >> there is some torrential rain that's moving across the east coast this morning. i want to get you up to date with that and blizzard warnings out west. let's go to bill karins. >> let's get into first area of concern. we are seeing heavy rain and gusty winds moved through the washington, d.c. area. that line is approaching the
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baltimore region and the peak of rush hour will be over philadelphia and heading up to new york city and the tail end of new york city. washington, d.c. looks like the worse of it is just about ending, about now to 8:00 a.m., after that you should be fine. we track line of storm and torrential rain in fell yarks heaviest around 9:00 a.m. the new york city area from 9:00 a.m. to noon, strong winds and some collapses of thunder moving through. rain totals up to 2 inches. a lot of heavy rain in the northeast. the leaves are down now. we'll get localize street floodings and for boston 3:00 to 6:00 p.m. is the worst for you. in the midwest, we have semi blowing over. you have rain changing over to snow and temperatures getting
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cold. so you get the idea it will be a difficult day to be flying across the country when you automatic about major hub bike d.c., new york, and chicago. as far as wind gusts, they'll peaked today. your weekend forecast, unsettle weather to the northeast on saturday. you may get some football games on sunday and on saturday, joe, and the great lakes. it's that time of the year, we are talking about cold, snow and winds, hats off to our friends significant delay as you head out the door. >> no doubt about it. commute will be longer and commuting going north in boston is bad enough on any friday but
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today, from 3:00 to 6:00, it will be terrible. >> still ahead on "morning joe," with covid cases on the rise in more than a dozen states, are we starting to see a new surge? we had good news with those numbers flattening out. plus, the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol attack gives meadow an ultimately p ultimatum. >> you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. "morng joe," we'll be right back. some people have joint pain, plus have high blood pressure. they may not be able to take just anything for pain.
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♪♪ the move sets him up for a third five-year term. that comes after reports that china has mocked u.s. warship for possible -- china's military is expanding its nuclear arsenals. they'll have up to 1,000 nuclear weapons. president biden and president xi are expected to join virtually. let's bring in nbc news our keir simmons. you got an exclusive look at one
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u.s. space there you learn about its newest neighbor. tell us about it. >> reporter: hey, joe, that's right. this is the only u.s. base in africa camp. it's a place of 5,000 u.s. service, men and women based. close boy a chinese base with 400 to 500 members of the people. on the show we talk about politics so much. just being here for a few days is so insight full. you see the press of china and africa and u.s. allies andst impossible to exaggerate the strategic importance of this location. >> reporter: u.s. british and u.s. jets.
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one of its near by neighbors, a u.s. mill industry base. home to 5,000 u.s. everything . >> the most senior u.s. officers in africa. >> this is the only example of a chinese base so close to the u.s. base. when ever i hear that, i always say it's china's first base. i believe there is others. it's located in countries that battles with extremism. >> the chinese completed a construction close to here. do you expect to see aircraft characters or chinese submarine? >> i think it will be came of hosting about any vessels within the chinese inventory.
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ef not seen chinese vessels at that peer yet. i think it's a matter of months. the chairman told lester about the dproeing threat from china. >> we are witnessing one of the largest shift in global, strategic wour. we derived across, the bank of china. six miles from america's base, we turn into an isolated road to find people's liberation. >> the chinese space is right here. they'll be watching us as we are watching them. this is a chinese fort. it was opened four years ago. time to turn around. i think that's as close as we really want to get. >> they clearly don't want
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attention. contrast that with u.s. forces training local troops but as they have been to nbc news from the chinese embassy in washington suggests that's still developing the base. the completion of the base will help china better fulfill the international -- the statement ends, we urge the u.s. to stop slandering and smearing china. china is considering more military bases around the globe according to the pentagon. talks to build a military port on the atlantic. >> you should be concerned of chinese's based interest and land bases and what it means for our country. i think that's consequential. >> reporter: joe, some of the insights for me here, the work that the u.s. military is doing here to help fight islamic
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extremism, that's actually building with countries in this region, alliances that could be crucial in this competition with china. another krush crucial point tha have seen is china is here. what's not clear is how much koom realization to put it frankly, how much will china play by the rules, the onset to that rewrite history. henry kissinger went oifr to china. his book about china. china is only interested in the middle kingdom. they do not want to spread out across the globe. >> things have changed dramatically. you are seeing it right there.
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>> i think that's right point. >> i think history tells us something else, joe. >> when a power has economic interests around the world, its military often follows. how far xi wants his military to each out and he certainly is indicating that they do. >> there is not economic interest that china wants to protect. it seems inevitable that china really want to build al more bases? kafka and around the world. the question is how well they play, how will they act in this region when it leads to conflict? that's a crucial question. it's not inevitable but it's a concern for the u.s., its allies and all interested parties. >> thank you so much.
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6:53 in the morning. happy friday morning. a look at the white house. i remember as we look at the white house, talking about presidencies. i want to paraphrase what john lemon says, life is what happens to you when you are busy making plans. the same thing as presidents,
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they never know what'sgoing to hit them. the top issue right now that he's facing that americans are facing is inflation. and that's obviously what a lot of people are talking about on the opinion pages and our must-reads. here's some takes. democrats ignore the the reasons of their own imperil. >> price is supposed to be the purview of the federal reserve. the feds' most obvious tool, rising interest rates risk throwing the economy back ento recession. when democrats tell voters they should stop lying about inflation, such worries, they do themselves and no favors either. they must head into the midterms of the clear eye view of the
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economy as it is and not as they wish it to be. this is from paul crudman, he writes, "history says don't panic about inflation." 1946 through '48 did not cause long-term inflation and neither did other episodes resembles to where we are now. world war 1 and korean war. we should have some patience. given what happened of the 1940s. we hope the future looks better than now. people making knee-jerk comparisons with the 1970s and
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screaming at stagflation are looking at the wrong history. when you look at the right history, it tells you not to panic. >> jean robinson, you wrote an impressive column, tell us your take. >> economists can make their case on either side of the question or whether it is or is not. politically, i think president biden and the white house had better worry about inflation because inflation is political poison and particularly rise in gas prices. it's something that everybody sees and feels it and it's on billboards if you drive down the street and you see gas costing
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$1 more. >> they look towards the president at the white house and congress to do something about it. i think the party empowers potentially will pay a price and so i think this administration has to be seen to take inflation seriously. not just say you know you are imagining this or don't worry about it. yes, people worry about it because they are paying more. and, they should be doing something about it. i will release some oil from the strategic reserve, do things. i just politically, that's the path that i would take if i were advising the house. >> claire, if you are a senator right now and you have gas prices going up 50% and energy
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prices going up 30%. food and price is going up. what do you do? what do you tell your other colleagues? >> well, i think it's really important that democrats take not just these inflationary numbers but also what happened in virginia and really do a gut-check here. i think everybody got carried away of how bad trump was, we thought that as as primary talking point was going to be enough to get those voters who voted for donald trump and joe biden. get them to stay in our column. i think this stuff is really dangerous. i not agree with jean and the gas prices. >> i don't think we should spend enough time talking about how we got towards energy and independence aurnd the obama administration. he was not trump.
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i think we tour the refineies and what's going on in terms of gas prices. i think joe biden needs and spend some time on that subject because there is no way those voters in the suburbs are not paying atngs on what the credit card receipt says when they fill their mank. >> it could be prual if something did not happen to bring those crisis back down. >> for anybody who thinks that window gas prices go up. they're thinking hey, this is donald trump's fault? it's not, they're blaming nye joe biden and the democrats and the party in power. >> claire brings up great point. i agree with jean, too. bill clinton would throw everything at the wall. hillary clinton's campaign when
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she started making progress against barack obama. snooer talking about cutting the gas pipelines. >> that election has worked for other presidents as well. >> i want to step back a little bit here and follow up on what clear was just talking about, about learning from last coos. >> we talked last week about the new york times editorial. their analysis of democrats lost in virginia and governor's race. the party. this morning the wall street journal william is giving his take. he writes in part, gubernatorial contest mainly teaching about race and it raised an ethnicity in public schools.
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>> three easy steps, showed how not to do with it. >> first, tell parents butt out. >> second, infuriates parents by telling them they are confused and there is no real world problem. and finally accused of republican candidates of blowing a whistle. the bottom line is time for democrats to get serious of the problem they created for themselves in decades long, drift towards progressivism that repels the voters. >> they node to build a national majority. >> you know john helz man. they're not allowed to democrats, to get guidance on how to run their next election? >> they should, the leaders should look at the new york
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times last week and the wall street journal. look at it side by side. one thing i really took at this wall street journal editorial. >> i con tantly have people saying what's happening to the royal and activity activities. it'sing a that i grew up in the suburbs of atlanta, alabama and mississippi, georgia, and upstate new york, part of upstate new york. i can tell you it was his constant feeling that people are being looked down upon by the national media and the parties. >> if you want to piss off parents, there are two great ways to do it. >> three great ways. >> tell them not to be interested and not to get involved in their kids' school. >> number. >> call them racist, they arted a candidate that you disagree with.
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three, this is most important. something that's overlooked. tell them that what they think they are seeing in their children's school, it's not real. you know better about what's going on in their chiern's eighth grade looms. >> that's exactly what keeps happening. you go on twitter, oh, this is not real. i am not talking about critical race theory in general. i am talking though about this growing concern from parents. you can call them racist if you want to lose. >> you can say what they are complaining about or what they are seeing is not real. virginia showed us that's the pathway to disaster and a pathway for mccarthy to be speaker and a pathway for donald trump to be elected. >> bill garcon is not a
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republican or conservative. someone who's central between the work that's going on at the democratic leadership council. e flekting bill clinton back in the 1990s. now, there will be progressives who consider that. also, now wall street journal conservatives. first thing. tekd thing is the personal agrees with this that, barack obama, they understood that the way to win a presidency and build a national coalition was not to build it on the backs of cultural progressism. they also paid a large part of heat to the democratic party that fines those kinds of issues and those of conversations to be what you are talking about right
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now which is people in the middle of the country and people are hardworking and working class voters of all racist, not just white voters who you don't feel the way that. and it's certainly not the kind of issues they want to hear about and animate near votes. that was the lesson. two term presidents. both clinton and black ma. you heard barack obama through a lot of his time in office and afterwards and still until this day but moaning woke progressive puritiest the. >> that gets distracted from how you need to build a national coalition and how do you need to speak to mitchell class and working class voters of all race ises, a lot of hispanics and a lot of black voters who are not necessarily apart of the progressive left. >> that discussion, you talked
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on the show a lot about david shore. what are the things that democrats need to be talking about and what are the things they need to be talking differently. >> others are i think are about to engage in that conversation. the lessons of last tuesday are not just about what happened in virginia but whams in portland about seattle. >> those are now front and center because a lot of those progressive cultural issues and got reputed from coast to coast. >> up and down the ballot, midwest, west and east. >> jean robinson, i am so glad
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that david schwartz is brought up. it we minds me of what al sharpton been saying for a long time. >> what shore numbers show digging into the 2020 number was white woke, opinion shaper ls. at times our far more progressive even on issues of racial in justice then our black votes votes, and hims and others with color. >> i am curious. it's like aaron adams who ran as a conservative and ends up doing queen and brooklyn and staten island, of course, and tg broncos. >> he lost manhattan. the tony part but you have a
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black mayor of new york city who says i am a conservative guy and i am not ahyphea. he's the next mayor in new york city. >> i think progressives and democrats and general need to and not to dismiss the cultural wall but engage it and engage it in a smarter ways sometimes. >> you know i wrote a column recently aents the way the word woke has been weaponized and it's being used. >> and how progressives have not found about way to neutralize. and so you are right. the way to do it if not to tell parents that they're imagining
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things, for example, if they are concerned about the way their kids are being taught or what their kids areing taught in schools. >> not to shy away from those discussions. >> just to have them in a different way, in a non dismissive way. >> because we should be able to arrive at a point where for example, the question of whether an ap english class in virginia is assigned to read tommy morrison. a great novel by a pullitzer winning one of the greatest authors this country ever spruced. >> that should not do decided in the sort of cross liar of the cultural war. this should be a way to come to
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some sort of understanding on that. there should be a way come to an understanding on eaching all of the american history of the good parts and bad. there should be a way to have that discussion that does not turn people off. but, that engages that men. that that meets their concerns and deals with reality. with history. democrats have not been great at messaging. this is a problem. >> and have a very open discussion and i just can't find, maybe parents would be offended by democratic candidates saying hey, you should have a say in the classroom and we should teach
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history and it should be even happened and we should talk about the greatness of america. we should talk about the greatness of our founding documents. as i have said before, two things can be true at once. at the same time, slavery was the original sin of this country. it's something that we. >> reporter: still or came to terms with and we are till coming to terms. that's the reality and that needs to be talking in classes and it's something, again, testimonies have to figure out an effective way. >> claire, feel free to join in on that. i want to bring into this discussion, amy walter. the challenge for the administration is less about
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wokeness than confidence. poll after poll suggests that her biggest worries at the very thing that democrats having shown comments on or delivering on. >> for 2022 is the consumer price index not the number of woke or detoxed. >> by democrats, by the way, to chings are needing to at once. >> democrats have to hire it better but also amy is riepgt. if democrats are doing the right thing on inflation and the economy. if they are avoid debacle and if they prover they are good running this country. they're not going to be obsessed of school kruk limb that much. they'll be able tofr discussions won't be the center of the debate. >> there are two or three things
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at place here. we can't lose sight that candidate and virginia was well known zg not a fresh face. i can speak from experience that these says the i don't thinker you have been engaged in politics, the more impeiril at the ballot box. when you look at our sleeder ship people it's on f. these are folks that's been around forring a long time. >> the younger voices, they're not talking about cultural war. someone is a racist and someone is using a dog whistle. our country always wants to be as separational when it comes to equality and justice. and police reform, not
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defundsing. >> at the oended, joe biden has done a great job with the economy with the asterisk slrnd inflation right now. if gas prices level down. if inhalation area index comes khan. you are going to have an amazing job creation. >> if they execute the infrastructure bill confidently. cut some rib upons on some highways and bridges and all of thesis things. people will feel it in their communities. >> it's going to take some kchbt in term of getting that infrastructure out the door in a way. >> we are not talking about the future the next november. >> there is no need for panic. 2021 was a stress test that democrats failed. all the better to prepare them
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for 2022. john, one other thing that needs to be said. i think about my experiences in connecticut in 2014, i was still a republican but i was disgusted by the direction the republican party was going in. and so on a national level, i voted for democrats but at every local race up and down the ballot, i voted republicans. >> if somebody's name sounded like republican, i voted for republicans. they were chasing other companies out of the state. the democrats that. >> reporter: oning the capitol. the capitol tr talking about how these big corporations, all they did was sit around their yachts and they needed to jack taxes up even higher. as you know business fs have been fleeing the state of
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connecticut for years. >> that's something that owe mad understands. as we look at virginia, we love to say now that all politics is not local. >> sometimes it's. >> it's what's happening in this school around the corner. >> sometimes it's. about who you like is going to cut taxes upstate, income taxes on your grocery. sometimes it's more local than national. >> that may have been happening in virginia. >> yeah, i think, well, look, there is no question and especially in an off year election there are these local issues. stayed wide issue in place. >> i think. all politics is national now. i do think again if you look at the results across the country,
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and what these issues are. i could not agree more that the issues of economic performance and i would say not much confidence but really the economy of the fact that so many people in this country this ra so much better in a year ago. >> the economy right now with the job growth that we are e soog with all tl positives on the economic outside of tr performance and these signs, inflation. the fact that people are looking at inflation and the fly chain issues and if that dominates their thinking. dominates what they are thinking of the economy and consumers and how people are looking at it down the ryan. >> people are still worried not feeling the effect of the economy. not seeing their wages rising fast enough and worried about inflation and holiday wois for their kids.
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>> those are things that people focus on. >> those are the things that democrats should be freaking out about. if they can't make the sells that the american economy has turned the corner which is teaming ahead. >>. if they can't make that sell, they'll get curbed in 2022. >> that's a national question that joe biden is responsible for and a lot of these leaders on thrill kale. >> they have to tig out a way and talk about that. >> the good feelings they are having is not 100% good feeling but the fardales food. >> in still ahead, a legal win for president trump, at least for now, an appeals court blocked the january 6th
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well, yeah, at this point staying unvaccinated is like wearing a yankees hat to a red sox game. you are probably going to end up in the hospital and it's your own damn fault. >> you know, okay, with us now, we have jonathan lemire, who would agree with that also and our contributor, mike barnicle . i guess claire will be wearing a cardinals cap to wrigley field. >> exactly. >> or the cubs fans. we are whies when they come to st. louis. a lot of us, the kind is stras led there between wu sis and new jersey. speaking of covid, we are seeing a rise of new infections in a growing number of covid.
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some states are announcing their own booster. let's go to miguel almaguer. he has the latest. >> reporter: what's unfolding in the colorado from california to tolz of a winter surge of covi cases climbing to 17 states. >> our national plateau giving a steady rise in protection. >> we need every single bed in our state. >> all right at a breaking point. >> colorado is how implementing price standard of care. >> prioritiing photography in their overwhelmed hospitals. >> you may have a different level of care had you not come in today or verses six months ago. >> the higher state is high-reus eck for exposure. governor signing an executive orders, allowing all adults to immediately qualify for a
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booster. >> in alaska, doctors fear the load demand for boosters correlates directly with the rising climb in cases. >> flooded er, perhaps the can newberry in the coal mine. >> this is a just a taste of what the injure jens is going to be like. >> massachusetts says breakthrough cases are up 44% with 60,000 fully vaccinated, testing tiff for covisit. >> the coronavirus comes back and weigh. having a protection and vaccination is the best way to protect yourself. >> with somer loan. the governor bans on mask mandates in school, migrates the
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right of students with disabilities who may be as a rule herbal to illness. >> that is all i want is my child to be able to get a proper education without having to wear a mask. just as some regions relaxed restriction and others are seeing a dangerous trends in new cases. >> i don't know how to respond. jean robinson, i hear somebody say all i want is for my child to get a good education without wearing a mask. the child god five vaccinations before he went in there. >> this is a politicalization of diseases. people gone around and act like this is the first time of history of man kind of women kind of getting the vaccines.
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again, everyone of these people that you see protesting against masks or vaccines, they all were given five vaccines before they can go to a public school as well as their children. suddenly, donald trump and some republicans acted strange about -- donald trump on vaccines. he's afraid we brought it up once or twice but he's afraid to say anymore. there is a hostility where there should be no hostility, we have done it before, vaccines work. >> it's ridiculous and tragic. 12 or 1300 people are dying everyday. those people won't get vaccinated. full stop. if you get vaccinated against covid, basically you will not die of it m.
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you may get a breakthrough case and if you are able to gate booster, you want to get a booster. >> the guy that just wants his kids to have an education without wearing a mask. that's what we all want. we all want that. >> the way to get that is for everybody to get vaccinated and we can put this pandemic behind us. miguel, the number he cited in his piece are really worrying and we had a steady declining in case and plateau and now an uptake. going into the winter, that's not goods. >> and, we need to use an over word phrase. we node to double down on vaccination and mask wearing and
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nip this surge in the bup before it comes to us. we don't want to go backwards. nobody wants to go backward. >> that's where i fear we could be heading if we don't do what we need to do. get vaccinated. >>. mike. >> my people think those of us who are asking them to get vax ars nated or ought -- maybe i will get the booster. i have been fax natsed. i got the booster, i will be fine. members of my family will be fine. i am worried about those who have not been vaccinated because i worry about my fellow americans. i am worried about the
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grandparents of a child that goes to school that may not be wearing a mask and bringing covid home, i am worried about that because that happens with a member of my family where all the grandparents got infected and one was knocked down pretty hard. fortunately they were vaks vaks nated and they are all fine. it's not going to impact my family but it's going to impact their family and other families and it's going to impact small businesses, i hate to keep talking about those small business owners and family restaurants and hardware stores, those are the people that'll all be helping if well just pichl in and work together and get this behind us. >> joe, we are north of 750,000
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americans dead from the virus. we are heading towards 8,000 point and you wonder about this. why has this been the case? you wonder and you can't help but wonder if at a given moment early on that one of the leaders of this country specifically if we had a president of the united states who in the spring of 2020 had taken to the podium and looked into the camera and spoke to the united states of america and the world and said we have been assaulted by a thing called covid-19, it can kill you. given america ingenuity, we have
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developed a vaccine to save your life and your children's life and your family. i am getting vaccinated right now two-minutes after i finish these brief remarks. in addition, we shoild wearing maxes. if everything is explained truthfully and logically to the people of this country, i think would be looking at a different country today. >> well, again it's unnecessary because again this is a bipartisan victory. >> you actually have donald trump and we have said this time and again. donald trump whose administration launched operation warped speed. they bet on the right vaccines. you can compare on what we did on the roll-out and what
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happened to eu. we had moderna and pfizer. johnson & johnson were less effective. >> we were lined up to succeed. >> donald trump followed his administration. they were not good on the logistics. they didn't know how to get those vaccines handout as rapidly as they could have. >> joe biden's team did. >> here we have a bipartisan effort with the president who a horse rating animal i j, betting on the right horses, extraordinary work by scientist and doctors and researchers and we got vaccines in record time when people say it's going to take five or six or seven or ten years. record time. the biden administration pushed those vaccines out. this should be seen as a bipartisan win.
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it's so unfortunate that it has not been. it's so unfortunate that president trump decided not to be shown while getting his vaccine or booster shot to not talk openly about it. when he's booted and shouted out by a couple of yahoos and an audience that are yelling at him, telling americans to take care of themselves and get the vaccine the take care of their children and grandparents? he just backed off. >> oh, that's a shame. >> former president trump has been saying for months that he should be the actual president,s awe know? >> now he's taken his fantasy a step further. >> mr. trump sent former ambassador of all people, rick grenell and what he's calling an envoy ambassador. a guy i would not send to 7/11
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or. >> the white house official wrote outside of his very act of imagination, he does not haven envoy or ambassador representing the united states. i don't know shan lemire t when is a new one. what exactlier president hopes to establish? >> that's a term that no one has heard yesterday. the biden administration as you saw laughed this off. donald trump is pretending to be the again. >> he has stepped further back on the stage. he's preparing a 2024 run. we are reengaging certain things that he thinks will be good for his aadministration.
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>> i saw biden administration handle the early days of the after dan withdraw. 1992 he's turning to other foreign policies. >> and he decided to send a no to twitter toll. >> so, it's unclear there is no sense of any form of government receiving any official capacity. this is something that the biden administration is laughing off. one aide i talked to last night. this is one thing that can possibly blowing up in a koim of days. >> previous presidents do not do so unless ask tsds by the current president.
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who of course had great success and post presidencies working overseas >> tlarly it does seem like if trump is a candidate. ism. the faa is cracking down on unruly customers. plus, the meghan markle published a letter she wrote to her father in 2018. did he really write it knowing it would be leaked? well, she told the court she didn't but it's now having to apologize for not being truthful. something special for the book lovers out there. we know there are a lot of you in our audience, 125 years of literary history for the new york times book review. >> i am going to love this one. "morning joe" back in a moment. e "morning joe" back in a moment
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a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. call today. more than a century the new york times have been amplifies many of the world's respected i writers. the "time" is reflecting of its own history of their book review of 125 years of literary history. tina jordan, i got the say, i open up my sunday new york times a couple of weeks ago and i got this. i flipped through it and i did it for one reason and one reason alone. i wanted to see who got the most
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horrendously wrong take on any book. i get to say i die laughing through the entire rhee view of what many people consider to be the book of the century. >> of course, james joyce where the reviewers said a leader of average intelligence is going to take at nothing from this westbrook. area than confusion and disgust. they love that at the end, the viewers said, i thoep there joyce are doing this. i think me the only western in the world other than him who'll read this twice. >> how much fun was it for you to put together? >> this was fch hun that i suggested to my boss on several occasions allowed me to be
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in -- we panned so many books which are now classics. anna green gables who got slammed and cat 22 got the most negative review in any book in 20th century. it really had been fun. >> let's talk about the history because the history of the book review in new york times is fascinating and even before it bake a regular standard alone issue. the times would actually have these death bed updates of great dividers. >> i went on for months and the fascinating thing about that to me were authors are pop culture icon. the news about them whether they are going to a party or taking a cruise or dying bus often on the
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front page news. >> yeah, we we looking at the cover. one of the things that fascinated me of this entire exercise and looking through this supplement of the book is actually what essential place books have had and literally greats have had in our lives through generations. >> it's true. and, the book review itself, the paper and the book review really has function as much more than a place to find the next book that you are going read. i mean from the beginning it was about bringing the world of ideas to the american readers. that's what i love about it so much. i think it's nothing less than
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history of american letters, of course, the past 125 years of the book review but it's like it also stimulated so much discussions. >> tina, i am not going to ask you if there is anything in the file from joe heller complaining about catch 22 being tolltured in the time of review. the review was brutal. >> but, i am going to ask you, back in the files, there has to be some point, someone making a decision to have review some notes basically being given an op-ed column to the new york times interview to both head their books and insert their own reading and views with regards to the books they are viewing. some huge heavy weight have done
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this. >> presidents and noble winners. i am stunned at the people who would view it over the year. oh my god, dorothy parker viewed the paper or oh my god, theodore roosevelt viewed the paper? >> the book made a conscious decision to go after big names and revealing big books. >> at all books but just big books. the decision to require by line in our review didn't come into 1920s. you saw a lot of unnamed reviewers taking hot shots at books. >> some of the reviews have been so sparkly and steler.
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we would actually ask you review ere cocome on. they said what you want me to talk about. just talk. you are where i will yept. you have a way with words and you are going back four or five years for the last book they wrote. again, you are drawing the lead in even for a book with great writing is so important. as far as the president for our viewers, theodore and hoover all wrote reviews, right? >> they did. i was surprised to find that. jfk before he was president, but, yes, presidents have written reviews. >> hey, tina, it's jonathan le mere, and words of advice for some famous authors. >> mark twain's remedy for a
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cold was painted. i took all three. >> i know it's friday and that seems like a good recipe for success. what are some others in there that you found as you went into the archives some other tidbits you can share. >> okay. there's a front page story from 1905 about jack london attending a tea party, a birthday party named fluffy ruffles. that was a favorite of mine. it was front page news. shortly after winnie the pooh came out there was an interview in "the times" that said wait until father sees the poems i'm going to write about him when i grow up. so just all these things. there's an interview with scott and zelda fitzgerald's parents
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saying they just sit around on their fat hands. so finding those news stories was great. oh, and there is the fitzgeralds. i love this photo. we had an amazing photo editor for the book. i had never seen this photo before this is early '20s, the fitzgeralds in their apartment. look at that picture. >> that's great. >> it's remarkable. >> this is gene robinson. how do you as editors of "the times book review" deal with the responsibility of being the book review in this country? everybody who ever writes a book rushes to "the times" to see, "a," was i reviewed in "the times," "b," did they like it, did they not like it? and that sense of make or break, that power being in your hands, how do you deal with that?
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>> i think, you know, we have such a group of smart, passionate editors at "the book review." i will tell you there's nothing we like better than finding that book that no one has ever heard of or that debut novel, and turning our fire hose on that when it's a great book that is such a good feeling. we are careful to do what we call -- we survey the waterfront looking at everything trying not to miss anything. we are also really working hard to be as diverse ideologically as we can. and to push ourselves and to say to ourselves i'm not going to agree with this book, but it's important we review it. >> yeah, well, you also do an
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invaluable service for "morning joe" in that you help us with bookings because i sort -- i go through it every sunday and we always find great guests from the books you've selected. tina jordan, thank you so much and congratulations. "the new york times" book review 125 years of literally history is available now and for everybody that asks what do i want for christmas in my family? make sure one person gets me this. still ahead, airline staff had their hands full with a number of unruly passengers this year but maybe people will think twice about acting out now that the faa is handing out some pretty stiff fines. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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the faa is cracking down on unruly passenger behavior. ten passengers were hit with fines totaling more than $200,000 for behavior that includes shoving flight attendants, using profanity and refusing to wear a facemask. according to the faa the number of unruly passengers skyrocketed after the u.s. introduce add mask mandate on flights and in airports in february. the agency says it's recorded more than 5,000 cases of bad behavior this year, more than 100 of those cases involving physical assaults. i'll tell you, every time i go on the plane, i thank the flight attendants. what a difficult time for them to deal with passengers who are on edge, and it's, i don't know, i haven't seen much like this before. just general rudeness that
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permeates a lot of airplanes with passengers being rude to flight attendants. they should be thanked. next time you get on a plane, why don't you thank them? if you feel like it, probably should. they do that night and day and put up with so much from some unruly passengers. i'm glad the faa is cracking down on the bad behavior. still ahead, an attorney objects to the presence of reverend al sharpton in the courtroom. he said black preachers could intimidate the jury. he then starts talking about kentucky fried chicken and colonel sanders. really bizarre stuff going on in that courtroom. we have reverend al with us. they may not want him in the courtroom there. we want him here and we'll have him to talk about that bizarre moment. plus, a live report from nbc's gabe gutierrez from outside the courthouse in kenosha,
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wisconsin, where the defense in the trial of kyle rittenhouse has now rested its case, and they're probably feeling pretty good right now about their standing with the jury. we'll talk about it all when "morning joe" comes back in one minute live. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit bye mom. my helpers abound, i'll need you today. our sleigh is now ready, let's get on our way. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes. must be carried across all roads and all bridges. and when everyone is smiling and having their fun i can turn my sleigh north because my job here is done.
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it's not magic that makes more holiday deliveries to homes in the us than anyone else, it's the hardworking people of the united states postal service. ♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe." it is 8:01, friday morning. a beautiful view of new york city. jonathan lemire and mike barnicle still with us. let's bring in host of msnbc's "politics nation" and president of the national action network and guy that obviously made some people uncomfortable in a georgia courtroom. reverend al sharpton. after a dramatic week of testimony the defense has rested
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in the kyle rittenhouse trial. prosecutors say they will seek approval for the jury to seek lesser charges. smart move. with us now let's go to the courthouse in kenosha and bring in nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez. gabe, good morning. what's going on there? >> reporter: joe, good morning. both the prosecution and the defense did not want the jury to get this case late on a friday, so closing arguments are now set for monday in a trial that has divided americans over whether rittenhouse is a vigilante looking for trouble or a patriot protecting the city from rioters. this morning after eight days of testimony the prosecution and defense are preparing for closing arguments monday in the kyle rittenhouse trial. when rittenhouse broke down, his mother in the courtroom did, too. overnight she spoke publicly for the first time since. >> i was scared. i was frightened.
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i thought my son was going to die that night. >> reporter: on thursday the defense called the use of force expert who testified less than three seconds elapsed before the time when a protester fired a shot into the air and rittenhouse opened fire with his ar-15 style rifle killing joseph rosenbaum. another eyewitness who recorded video that night testified that rosenbaum was pushing a dumpster that was on fire into police vehicles and that he believed rittenhouse fired in self-defense. >> as the first firearm goes off rosenbaum is charging kyle from behind. rosenbaum is lunging towards him very clearly and kyle fires. >> reporter: the now 18-year-old faces six charges including intentional homicide for shooting and killing two men and wounding another during last summer's protests in kenosha following the police shooting of jacob blake. after the judge this week admonished the prosecutor for out of bounds questioning. the prosecutor clashed with the
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judge again over exactly what video an expert should discuss. >> is there something i'm seeing that draws the face that you're making? go ahead. say what you want to say. >> i have to say yesterday i was the target of your ire for disregarding your orders. today the defense is disregarding your order. >> reporter: you have been out here every day. >> every day. >> reporter: jacob blake's uncle wants a guilty verdict. >> he should have been at home playing xbox or playing a game at home. instead he was on the streets carrying a military style gun. >> reporter: the prosecution has indicated that it wants to include jury instructions on lesser charges now related to two of the shootings. they're set to discuss that with the judge later today. legal analysts say that is not uncommon, but it could also mean the prosecutors are hedging their bets in case they can't get a conviction on the more serious counts. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez, thank you as always.
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greatly appreciate your reporting. let's bring in civil rights attorney david henderson and also msnbc legal analyst, danny, go through both cases but let's start first in kenosha. it looks like the defense has put themselves in a pretty good position along with, you know, getting the sympathy of a judge who looks like he was out of an old movie, not exactly sure what that judge is trying to prove. but anyway, the defense has to be feeling pretty good at the end of this week. >> they must be. this is a case where, remember, the prosecution has to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. they have the burden as to everything in this case. and the defense will hammer home in their closing they simply haven't met that burden. and, you know, i would add maybe the judge was a little bit, maybe his volume got a little high. those were real legal issues the
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prosecution trod upon that maybe they should have stayed away from. one of which was commenting on the defendant's post arrest silence. and the other one was apparently disregarding a motion that the judge had already decided on by trying to introduce what we call propensity or bad character evidence. while i probably wouldn't have raised my voice as much as the judge, the sentiment was there. >> so, david, tell me what your thoughts are at the end of this week. the defense looks like they're sitting in a pretty good position. the prosecution not so much. they're trying to move to some lesser charges. is that really a tell right there? >> joe, they're moving to lesser charges and there's no good way to interpret that. you come across like you don't know what you're doing to the jury and, frankly, watching the course of the trial, it looks like they didn't think through critically what they should have charged rittenhouse with and it pushes the bounds of ethics if
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you're pursuing charges you can't think you could prove. overall this is always a tough case. i think the reality is it's too broke to fix. i was bouncing this off my uber driver this morning, which is what i'm trying to do putting myself in position of a trial lawyer, and he's a black man in his 70s, well familiar with the civil rights era and some knowledge of this case. when i asked him about the self-defense argument and whether or not the prosecution can meet the burden, he just sighed and said that's a tough one. if he said that, it probably means you can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> again, you actually had witnesses on the stand, eyewitnesses on the stand, that were saying that every time he fired a shot or shot at people, they thought it was in self-defense. when somebody was attacking him. if that's the testimony the jury is hearing, i have no idea how the prosecution meets its high standard. >> that's right. and the testimony came in very
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badly. it shouldn't have seemed that way, and what that really tells you is they're not familiar with how you prepare a witness and how you make sure you understand what's going to happen before you step inside the courtroom. somebody is going to come inside the courtroom and say they're a journalist, you don't argue with them about whether or not they're a legitimate journalist. you try to get them to spend an hour or two with you showing you what you saw so you know how to present it in court and have a rapport with them inside court. had they done that here they would have realized you need to get a life-sized cardboard cutout to show rosenbaum is 5'3", figured out what the plastic bag he threw at the jury looked like, throw it in their direction and say does this make you believe you were in danger of being killed or facing great bodily harm? if the answer is no, rittenhouse was wrong for doing what he did. >> in georgia the jury in the trial of the men accused of killing ahmaud arbery heard new video. ron allen has the latest from that trial.
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i got a trespasser there. he's a colored guy. >> reporter: a homeowner's 911 call after seeing someone on his home security camera in the neighborhood where ahmaud arbery was killed. the video from five months before the fatal encounter. >> curly looking hair, tattoos down both arms. >> reporter: attorneys for the three men accused of murder say it was arbery, one of four teams he was seen in the house under construction. as the defense tries to convince the jury he was not an innocent jogger but a suspicious figure the defendants were trying to place under citizens arrest and mcmichael had come face-to-face with near that same house under construction. the jury hearing mcmichael's 911 call 12 days before he shot and killed arbery, he says in self-defense. >> when i turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house, so i don't know if he's armed or not. >> reporter: arbery's family says he stopped at the construction site because he wanted to learn how to build a home for his parents.
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prosecutors show video of several others at the location, questioning the owner whether arbery ever stole anything. >> to your knowledge has anything been taken or disturbed? >> reporter: prosecutors say the defendants had no reason to chase him on the day in question while asking a police officer to read part of one of the defendant's first interviews. >> what does greg mcmichael say lines three through six? >> he was trapped like a rat. >> danny, there doesn't seem to be any justification for what happened here. gene and i talked about it. it's kind of what suburban -- people in suburban neighborhoods do. somebody builds a house, you walk around at night with your family, oh, house being built. you go in and look at it and nobody thinks twice about it. in this case you even had the homeowner saying nothing had ever been taken from there, not that that would justify them hunting him down and, quote,
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trapping him like a rat and killing him, but even their explanation for why they were concerned just doesn't hold any water. >> i'm making a confession here today. i did exactly that just last week to a house on my block. i walked in. i essentially committed a burglary by walking into a new under construction house -- that's right -- and everybody does it. so the reason this is so effective for the prosecution is they're taking evidence that could be a mixed bag for them. there's good and there's bad for them. but they're going to detonate that bomb on their case in chief so that the defense can't bring it up as if the prosecution was hiding something. on the one hand, yes, it shows, hey, there were people entering this house, and they probably shouldn't have been, just as i shouldn't be doing that in a house that i don't own that's under construction, but it also shows that there was this unnecessary heightened sense of anxiety in the neighborhood that didn't rise to the justification
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these defendants felt they should go driving around with guns to police the neighborhood. just because somebody is wandering in to take a look at a house and nothing was stolen. so very effective use of this evidence by the prosecution. makes them look honest bringing this evidence out in their case in chief so that the defense, whatever the they try to make, whatever they try to make out of this will be with a whimper. >> you do your uber driver test, which, by the way, seems like a really good test. i remember a columnist for "the washington post" would always talk about talking to taxi drivers and that's how he kind of got the feel of where people were. but i guarantee you any uber driver that grew up in a neighborhood has done this before, which means jurors have done this before because everybody in neighborhoods, as long as i've lived, they just do this naturally. >> that's right. my wife has been yelling at me lately because i do it in our neighborhood. a lot of restored homes. i want to see what they do to
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their kitchens. she gets mad because i still go inside. you have a different problem with the trial for ahmaud arbery's murder and that is jury selection to the extent there's a problem with this case it is sitting in the jury box right now. the rule has always been, look, if you can provide a race neutral reason to strike, but the supreme court gave you a lot more room to work with that. i think the prosecutor should have pushed that harder. the one thing you've got to do in this case is you've got to reassure the community and people watching that you care about what happened, that you're going to personalize ahmaud and everything you can for him. a good day in court is reflected by his mom walking up to you, hugging you and thanking you. i hope i see a bit more as this trial continues. >> all right, david and danny, thank you for being with me and, also, it seems we all three kind of have a habit. we walk into houses under construction to see what they're
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doing. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. we have reverend al with us. rev, i want to show a clip of when your name was bantied around in court yesterday and just a really crazy, crazy attack against you. take note if you haven't yet, rev, at the people around the attorney, how embarrassed they are by his words and actions. >> the idea that we're going to be bringing these people in to sit with the victim's family one after another, obviously there are only so many pastors they can have and if their pastor is al sharpton right now, that's fine. but that's it. we don't want any more black pastors coming in here or other -- jesse jackson, whoever was in here earlier this week, sitting with the victim's family trying to influence the jury in this case. folks came in here dressed like colonel sanders with white masks sitting in the back, that would
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be -- >> see the person next to him head in hand going, my god, what's wrong with this guy? race, you talk about taking a center stage here, rev, and taking center stage even from jury selection, where you have a disproportional share of white people on the jury when you just look at the makeup of that county, and then that, the language on 911 tapes, it's all very ominous. take us into the courtroom yesterday. what happened? >> what happened the day before yesterday i went at the invitation of the parents. since the killing of ahmaud, i've been very close with the family, national action network has supported them, just three weeks ago i preached in savannah
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at a church, both the mother and the father came and they had a press conference asking me to come. i went to both console them, to hold a press conference and do a prayer vigil, and that's what we do. a part of the services. and then two weeks ago, monday before last we had the 30th anniversary, we had families there we fought for 20, 30 years ago, because we stay in touch. every holiday i call them. that's what we do. so the mother and father designate one person each day each that they can bring in the courtroom. and the father brought me as his designee and the mother brought me and i sat in the last row of the courtroom. the lawyer admitted himself he didn't know until later that i was even there. i'm there to console them, looking at the three men who killed their son, they are
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behind the defense table, the family of those who killed the son and they're behind them. to sit there every day, can you imagine the trauma and stress this mother and father go through, hearing the evidence how their son was killed, looking at the killers, and you're going to tell them that a minister working with them, that has been working with them, can't come in the courtroom? and then to make it worse, joe, he makes it blanket, too many black pastors. we don't want black pastors. not even pastors. how does he know the difference between a regular black and black pastor unless you have a black collar on? and to go into kentucky fried chicken, a stereotype associated with blacks, i mean, it is the most bizarre thing i've ever heard. to the judge's credit, he said he wasn't going to do it. imagine the precedent of saying -- i've seen policemen on trial, whether they were the victim or whether they were
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accused, and police pack the courtroom. joe madison brought that up. police pack the courtroom. do you say they're trying to intimidate the jury? but a black minister by himself sitting with a mother and father, i'm intimidating because i'm sitting on the back row? it is absurd on its face. >> well, it's interesting. he obviously just wanted to bring up your name and hoped to play into racial stereotypes with a jury, the overwhelmingly white jury because you're on the back row he doesn't even know you're there, and he's saying that. i want to underline something that you've said because often when you go to trials or you go and you're with family at events, people will criticize you and say, oh, why is he always there? why is he at these places where people have been killed? rev, i know you. i know you start every day, you
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get on the phone after you're off the show, you get on the phone. you call ten people every day, people whose kids are in trouble or people in trouble themselves, and as a pastor, you comfort them. you console them. you say i'm here. i'm not doing a commercial for you. i know you. we're friends. this is what you do. and i've never known one time where you went to one of these places where you aren't there because the family of a deceased son or daughter is asking you to go there. can you underline that fact again for those who would twist your actions? >> i think it's very important that we do not go into any cases at all -- we being the national action network and me personally -- that we're not asked to come. most of these cases, 90%, we never heard of the case until the family calls us. i never heard of ahmaud arbery. i never heard of the case of
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trayvon martin ten years ago until the family came to us. we have a bond. trayvon martin's brother, who lives in new york now, is close with my daughters because we've become like family this is ten years. bass because they can talk to us about things they don't want to talk to others. i'm a minister. i take this seriously because that could be my kid. ahmaud could have been my son, and i'm not going to, in any way, not be there for his parents because that could be me sitting in the courtroom about one of my daughters. >> well, i can tell you at least where i come from, we're happy when pastors show up in times of need. in fact, we ask pastors to show up in time of need. and so i'm not exactly sure why
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any lawyer would be rebuking you for that same thing. hey, let's talk about new york city mayor elect eric adams. he's vowing to restore the city's controversial plain clothed police units which were banned. the former nypd captain dismissed claims from a black activist who said that bringing the units back would lead to, quote, riots and bloodshed. >> it's silly and i think new yorkers should not allow rhetoric like that. the city is not going to be a city of riots. it's not going to be the city of burning. if they want to hurl rhetoric like that, that's silly to new yorkers. the city is ready to move forward. when i ran to become the mayor of the city of new york, i said i was going to reinstitute an
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anti-gun unit and voters voted on that. i stated what i was going to do. >> you know, rev, obviously people can disagree, but this founder of black lives matter in new york saying that there's going to be bloodshed and violence if eric adams lets this unit come back. obviously not the way to do things and not the way you do things. i always thought that your relationship with new york city commissioners like bill bratton always was great. you disagree, but you would sit down and talk. you would find middle ground. and there wasn't violence. there wasn't bloodshed. i remember after eric garner i thought, you know, said it here on the air many, many times, i thought he was murdered by those cops. and yet you managed to have
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peaceful protests where people were shocked and hurt and disappoint it had, but you kept it peaceful. i love your comments about these outrageous statements and your friend eric adams and his response to them. >> well, i think, first of all, the units that he, eric adams, is bringing back, i don't know the units that we protested around stop and frisk. i do have concerns about where these units are going to go and i will be talking to eric adams about it, who hasn't even appointed a police commissioner. and i don't think any of us are talking about riots or violence. i don't know what this person that stated this, the context. i don't want to comment on that because i don't know. i do know that there is violence going on now where people are being killed in our community
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two weeks after i did the eulogy at the funeral of george floyd i did the funeral of a 1-year-old kid killed with a stray bullet in a gang fight in brooklyn, new york. so let's not talk about what may happen or could happen that all of us should be denouncing. let's talk about the fact that we have rising violence right now and eric adams and others need to deal with how we stop the violence now and how we deal with units and other ways. we need to come together and deal with the fact there's gun violence now. we're dealing like this is a future problem. it's happening right now, this weekend people will have bloodshed, due to crime in our community and that ought to be our joint concern. >> so let's talk about that because i think there's a confusion in the public's mind
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that whatever the activist said about riots and bloodshed. it's easy to confuse stop and frisk with the need for every day policing in neighborhoods and in all the boroughs, as you know, that are awash in guns. guns in the hands of 13, 14-year-olds who have no sense of what life is all about kill you for the wrong hat that you're wearing. how does the police department deal with the fact that people who need help the most are going to need these gang units to come back and perform lawfully for them on an everyday basis? >> that is where i think you have to get the experts in that have been on the ground sitting with the administration, and even this young man i don't know, to say how do we develop
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it where the police are there but the police are not there to make false arrests or unilaterally would throw people against the wall but at the same time deal with the gun violence because these are our people being killed. we need to be concerned about this. you cannot say that our lives matter and it doesn't matter when it's one of us violating us. we matter and we ought to be policing like we matter. eric adams ran saying he would do police reform. what does that mean? we all need to figure out how we're going to figure out what he means. he ran on that. came to national action network and said that. the other thing i think is
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ominous here is the supreme court may come with a ruling in new york where you can carry guns which could exacerbate this. so this is a lot more serious than what somebody says. if you have a supreme court decision with what appears to be imnen, we may have a real escalation of guns in the city. we need to figure this out and figure it out now. >> and as reverend al said, there is violence right now that needs to be addressed. and let's hope that eric adams, when he gets in, can do that and, of course, we can do two things at once. and that certainly is the hope. reverend al sharpton, thank you for being with us. still ahead on "morning joe," the house committee tasked with investigating the attack on the capitol threatens former trump chief of staff meadows with
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charges. new audio of conversations with the former president where trump defended extensively supporters who threatened to hang former president mike pence. >> were you worried during that siege? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i heard he was in good shape. no. because i had heard he was in very good shape. >> you heard those chants. that was terrible. >> he could have -- people were very angry. >> they're saying hang mike penn. >> it's common sense -- it's common sense -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> donald trump. obviously not concerned about hang mike pence chants coming from a riotous crowd. we have a pair of reporters ahead who have been covering every step in the investigation
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circuit rules, it will end up before the united states supreme court. meanwhile, the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol attack is threatening to seek criminal contempt charges against donald trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, if he refuses to show up for a deposition today. meadows' lawyer put out a statement yesterday reading in part mr. meadows remains under the instructions of former president trump to respect long-standing principles of executive privilege. it now appears the court will have to resolve this conflict. let's bring in "new york times" reporter and msnbc national security analyst michael schmidt and nbc 4 washington investigative reporter scott macfarlane. so, michael schmidt, obviously the appeals -- the d.c. appeals court is going to be reviewing this, but we can all expect the united states supreme court to make a landmark ruling on executive privilege when it finally gets there.
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>> yeah. and for the committee and for the public that's looking to the committee for answers, the question is, how much time does any of this take, and is trump able to take advantage of that? we've seen fights like this between congress and those who will not turn over information drag on for months and years. we know that this committee wants to be done by next summer, by late spring, next summer, because they want to be done before the midterm elections. i think politically that positions them best to point to a report as their work, but it also means that the investigation would be done before they could potentially lose power in congress. so the question is time. how long does this take? and is this fight that goes on, does it have to go on with many different witnesses? is there one case that resolves sort of all of them? or is there a larger momentum that the committee starts to take on, that it starts to have
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because it's developing new information and people feel the need to cooperate. perhaps if trump's political standing fell, would people in his orbit be more likely to commit? i'm throwing out possibilities of how the committee could be helped in this situation which could be potentially difficult because the timing is the issue. >> yeah, and, scott, i've been following what's been happening with a lot of the rioters that have gone, that are still going through the court process by following you and following your great reporting, can you get us up to date right now on what's the latest in some of those cases moving forward and how the courts generally are treating these alleged rioters? >> yeah, joe, there's a real crescendo in the january 6th prosecutions and it starts today. we're going to higher level cases with distinctive accusations against the defendants. in about an hour lotty kauffman of alabama will appear for a
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hearing. he's accused of bringing 11 molotov cocktails in his pickup truck on capitol hill that day and a firearm inside as well. that's a distinct accusation. let's see what he pleads to. it could be an indication what's to come. another misdemeanor case today. boyd camper of montana pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor but is accused of bringing his 10-year-old son with him to the capitol january 6. he said he left his son outside with an adult friend. prosecutors say if you knew to leave your son outside, you knew there was danger inside. will that be an aggravating factor referenced. a former mma fighter, the first defendant to be sentenced for laying hands on police, for assaulting police that day, his sentence was about what the feds were seeking, three and a half years in prison. the judge issued a warning saying, first of all, good decision pleading guilty because
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there isn't a jury in america that would have acquitted you, and he said of the nearly 200 others accused of assault they're likely to face far more at sentencing, joe. >> wow. jonathan lemire? >> yeah, that's me. michael schmidt, earlier we played audio of the former president talking about january 6th and not expressing remorse for the hanging of mike pence chants that day. we know one of the few staffers who was with the president that day was his chief of staff, mark meadows. mark meadows, of course, is supposed to be deposed before the january 6 committee today. if he doesn't show there's a sense that he could be held in contempt. walk us through what we know, is meadows going to appear, and what do we think could happen next? as we know even after the contempt voting of steve bannon, we're still waiting on a ruling to see if that will have any teeth. >> so by someone showing up and even answering some basic questions or showing some sort
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of effort, they ultimately may help their hand with a court, which may look upon that as, well, at least they were showing up and they were concerned about this executive privilege issue, which they were claiming. most legal experts will say the executive privilege issue has no weight and is unlikely to be recognized by the court. but what some lawyers would counsel witnesses on are to show some sort of attempt to cooperate, show some sort of effort. and the difference and contrast between steve bannon, who really gave the heisman to the committee in all sorts of ways and, you know, you've seen this with witnesses like jeffrey clark who showed up but didn't answer certain questions. there's a certain way of engaging with the committee that a high-end white collar defense attorney would say would help your case when you get before a judge because you can show some sort of effort.
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bannon's standing in contrast, and the question being will the justice department charge him with a criminal violation for not cooperating with the committee and doing it in such a blatant way. >> we're talking about two different aspects of the same situation here. you've been covering more than quite adequately the sentencing, of defendants in the january 6 event. michael schmidt is covering the continued process of trying to get people to appear before congress. i think there was a laugh out loud funny line in the introduction to this segment that the appeals court is going to put this on a fast track process. the appeals court. two weeks from now. so my question to you anecdotally in covering these events, what do you hear about
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the lack of speed, the lack of clarity, the lack of finality to the defendants and the process itself? >> it's overwhelming the system. the sluggishness is distinctive. these are moving particularly slow, these prosecutions, because they're all going through the same federal courthouse. the district courthouse near capitol hill. it's a choke point for the court system plus there's all this evidence. there's an unprecedented amount of evidence the feds have to organize, mike, prepare it for defense lawyers and that takes time. there won't be trials until 2022. trump's denial about the election is continuing to make life harder for the defendants.
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they are a dangerous topic. >> scott macfarlane and michael schmidt, thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate it. be glad you're not in front of white wall. looking good. mika is under the weather, but she's like rocky balboa. >> pushing through it. >> she's down on the ground, apollo creed -- she pulls herself up. that's rocky 2, but rocky 1. >> we have a big announce many. >> we have a huge announcement, this will be exciting. >> we will be joined by "forbes" randall lane and maggie mcgrath for this big announcement. stay tuned. it is straight ahead. >> go get them, rocky.
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that published a letter she wrote to her father in 2018. now the royals' former communication secretary claims meghan wrote the letter knowing it could be leaked and she cooperated with the authors of a sympathetic book about the couple, something her lawyers have previously denied. sky news royal correspondent has the details. >> reporter: jason was one of the closest people to work with harry and meghan at the palace. now the words of their former communications secretary are a major part of the case against her. at the court of appeal the barrister said she had not breached her rights because she said in emails and texts she expected it would be leaked. the messages are rare insight into what was going on at the palace as the relationship with
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thomas markle broke down. some also showed background information that meghan and harry had asked to share with the authors of the book "finding freedom," something the couple have always denied. jason went on to become the chief executive of william and kate's charitable foundation and says in his statement he's always adopted a position of neutrality throughout the proceedings. meghan's legal team didn't want his evidence included and added their own new statement from meghan who says the suggestion she thought the letter would be made public was absurd. the hearing will continue with the judges expected to make their final decision at a later date. >> it was actually not absurd. she actually lied about it and her lawyers previously denied involvement, but the couple's former communication directors did say in evidence to the court
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that he gave the writers information and he discussed it with both harry and meghan releasing the email proof. in a statement made public last week meghan conceded that was true, and she had not been telling the truth and apologized to the court for, as she said, not remembering the discussions when she gave evidence earlier in the case. of course she lied about it. she also besmirched journalists, probably tried to get them fired and get caught in her lie. coming up next, mika, a really big announcement about "forbes" and know your values 50 over 50. >> we're going global. we'll be back to talk about it in two minutes.
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can't live without? and that is our answer. >> do you use emojis. >> i use hearts. a lot to do with food. >> where was the first place you went to when you were vaccinated? >> i haven't been any place. >> i am going to say one word, millennials. >> joy to the world. >> do you like grandmas. >> mimi is my favorite. >> retirement? >> what's that? >> i love her. some of the rapid fire questions i had for nancy pelosi when i spoke with the house speaker ahead of her selection to be part of the inaugural 50 over 50 lest from forbes and know your value. >> mika, the list that you put together with forbes spotlights really diverse voices and the work of female entrepreneurs and
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lead who are are over the age of 50. and following incredible success of that list it was expanded to different lists that spotlight women in politics, social entrepreneurship, s.t.e.m., the arts and beyond. >> today marks a new frontier. the global expansion of the 50 over 50 list w the creation of two new lists, 50 over 50 asia, and 50 over 50 europe. here to tell us more, the editor of forbes women, maggie mcgrath, and chief content manager of media, randall lane. thank you both very much. randall, talk about the impact and the reach of our partnership here. why go global now? >> well, in partnership with you guys, it has been incredible. the feedback we have been getting is incredible. the ability to move the conversation -- but if we are going to create a movement, that's what it feels like, it
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has to be global. it doesn't stop at the border. we have the most underutilized asset in the world, women over 50, if we are going to come out the pandemic, even if you look at the labors in, it is older workers coming back to the work force. this is the way we can move the needle. if we are really going to make change, make capitalism more equitable and solve problems it needs to be women over 50 leading the way. >> we started with one u.s. list, which quickly rolled into four. we are going to be doing that. now tell us about the opening of these lists in asia and europe. the nominations start when? >> they start now. you can go to to nominate someone who is stepping into her power over the age of 50. we are looking to do the 50 over 50 europe and the 50 over 50 asia. what that means is we want these
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women to be spending at least 51% of their time, their customer base, their revenue in one of these regions. you can go to 50 over 50 to see some fabulous example was what we are looking for. we are people who are taking companies public at the age of 60, 70, women getting elected for the first time at 70 or 80. those were some of the examples we saw for the american list and that we are hoping for for the europe and asia list. >> where are you coming up with the idea? everywhere we go we were getting interviewed about it, in connecticut -- >> i love it. >> people are excited. it has taken off so fast, it is going global. what is your inspiration. >> there was a know your values series, all billion careers for women 50, 60, 70, and 80, i
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sought advice from women in these age groups. i met so many of them. i went to the place that was the place for lists, that would be forbes and randall. randall, you jumped on it, you said okay, this sounds like a good idea. and we got a good response. >> amazing. we got 10,000 nominations. there is something here. that's always what's great, when you tap into something that's already out there, we are bringing it together. these are women -- look for yourself this morning, they are resilient. they are realizing this is their time, their best days aren't behind them. they have wisdom, knowledge, and their best days are in front of them. maggie, we have still got to do the u.s. list. but for asia and europe, who can be nominated, and how? what the criteria. >> really the same as the american list. but they need to be based in
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europe or asia. you can tell us which concontinent you are on. we are looking for people who were born in 1970 or before. we are looking in finance, venture capital, stem, arts, humanities. we want to show the women who are changing industries around the world. >> and they are having their best years over 50. >> over 50. what is fascinating is the pace of change for women in the workplace. i remember it used -- in politics, it used to be in board rooms, there would be a token woman who would be there. and all the women would have to fight to be that one woman. we have seen such an explosion of power for women across europe, across the world. now coming to the united states more. and this really -- this is really a testament to that, that
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the women who have been fighting, who have been trail blazers in so many ways are now really starting to enjoy the fruits of their success. >> we have been seeing it over the last few weeks in europe as angela merkel has taken her good-bye tour around the world. this is someone who has been the de facto leader of women more than a decade. a woman, a woman who had experience before the wall came down. she used it to make europe a more democratic and more fair place. she's a great role model for what we are looking for europe, and in asia, too. >> again, go to or know your to figure out if you want to nominate someone for the u.s. list, the asia list, the europe list. randall and maggie, i guess, randall, i will let you take this, we have other announcements coming soon. we are going tore to be very busy. i don't think we can say too
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much. >> it is a global movement. that's what's been gratify being working with the know your value team and "morning joe." we are feeling change. it is happening globally, and it is going to be big. >> these women are creating such a long runway. what i love about these lists is they are actually truly inspiring to younger women. it's a game changer for younger women who can look at their lives, plan out their lives, pace out their families, and you know what, absolutely have it all, because there is time now, thanks to these women who have really been the trail blazers. thank you both very much, randall lane and maggie mcgrath. stay here to hear any more of these announcements as they gain momentum. that does it for "morning joe." stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> i'm steph knew rule live at
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msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is friday, finally friday, november 12th, and we have got all the things you need to know to get your day started on this busy november 12th. we have fwt a lot going on this morning. we have got to start of course with donald trump. his former chief of staff, mark meadows has one hour to show up for a deposition or face contempt charges. we will keep an eye on capitol hill. plus, the latest in the fight over document trying to shield from the committee investigating january 6th. while in kenosha, wisconsin after eight days of testimony both sides are preparing for closing arguments in the kyle right enhouse trial. now the prosecution is asking if the jury can consider lesser charges. in los angeles, today is the day a judge could foimly free brittany spears and end the co


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