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be a lot of criticism but them losing their committee assignments does not look like it's going to happen. jonathan. >> hans nichols, thank you. i think it's a good time, at least i bother to get dressed up this morning. thank you for waking up way too early this morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >> i know a lot of americans are worried whether there will be enough stocks on the shelves for thanksgiving and christmas and whether there will be enough of everything you need. i got off the phone with some local delicate test and the manager of a pigly wiggly, i am sure there is plenty of figgy pudding and make sure all the kids have yoyos and
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penny-farthings, this is what it's all about, getting back to normal. >> wow. >> morning. >> welcome to "morning joe." >> yeah, get some yoyos. >> it's thursday, november 11th, veterans day. >> happy veterans day. we got a lot to get to. new information surfacing at the travis scott's concert. turns out the fire department had no direct communications with people on the scene during the show. we'll discuss how that really hurt the emergency response. a new development in the deadly accidental shooting on the "rust" movie set, a witness is breaking his silence and filing
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a lawsuit against alec baldwin and others. we'll have that new reporting. there is new reporting on the vicious backlash, some of the 13 gop house lawmakers who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill endured. the threatening messages are disturbing. a federal judge in texas has struck down governor greg abbott's executive order banning mask mandates in schools. there are a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to get to this morning. willie, it's veterans day, and new york city is going to be having a parade in honor of all of our veterans as well as other talents and other cities across the country, max boot i thought wrote a great opt-ed talking about how we have so many americans and patriots who gave their all in afghanistan and
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went over what they believe to be and what so many of us believed to be a noble cause after 9/11. they stayed there and fought and completed their mission and let's certainly remember those vets from afghanistan, iraq and all the other wars where we had kids, young men and women going overseas and fight for this country. >> yeah, i am putting my sneakers on i will be in that parade in a few hours on fifth avenue out of ucla medical center which helps exactly some of the men and women you talked about. now helping with traumatic brain injuries and ptsd and a lot of things. just saying as a new yorker, we can't say enough given the news around afghanistan this year and what happened in this city 20 years ago and september 11, 2001
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and some of them did not come back. a lot of them came back with pain and scars and visible and invisible and we can't express our gratitude enough on this day but also on everyday. >> everyday. >> no doubt about it. willie, you talked about how 9/11 men and women were sent over there to fight, so many stories of people who after september 11th felt the calling to defend this country and of course there were dramatic examples out of the nfl and other jobs and a line of work that people would never expect. you ask time and again why did they go to afghanistan because they felt the calling to defend their country after september 11th and they did an extraordinary job and we should
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be grateful for everything they did. yes, over those 20 years because while in the first phase of that war, they were fighting every way they could to bring osama bin laden and other terrorists who killed 3,000 americans to justice, they spent so much of that time providing safe space to young women and young girls who wanted to study in classrooms and afghans in general who wanted a shot, a safe good life without war. of course it's taken a bad term over the past six months or so. you know, they provided space for 20 years and who knows what will grow from that as we move forward. >> and they killed osama bin laden which was the ultimate goal. it took ten years, you are
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right, they changed that society briefly and the sadness and frustration they had after being there for as long as many veterans were there. they knew unless they were there on the ground they were not going to transform a society, here we are 20 years after watching with sadness of many veterans of what's happening of the return of taliban and returning of some of the laws and rules around women and some of that freedom disappearing. hopefully our leaders and politicians take seriously of the responsibility that comes with sending these women and men to war, we have watched what it does to the people who go and what it does to their family. we are thinking about not only their families but the caregivers and whoever that goes through this with them. >> absolutely. >> you never know who are inspired by your presence or
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sacrifice when you were in afghanistan. because of you and how that may change because of the direction of the countr in the future. a dramatic day in wisconsin in that courtroom where kyle rittenhouse took the witness stand in his own murder trial telling the jurors he acted in self-defense in august of last year where he killed two people. rittenhouse broke down during the testimony and the judge had to call a recess. nbc news gabe gutierrez has the details. >> reporter: as he describes for the jury the tense moment before he opened fire, kyle rittenhouse broke down. >> there were people right there --
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>> take a deep breath. >> reporter: the judge calling a short break, some jury appeared sympathetic as they walked down. rittenhouse's mother sobbing. the 18-year-old faces six charges including intentional homicide after shooting and killing two men and wounding another during last year's protest in kenosha, wisconsin. >> i didn't do anything wrong, i defended myself. >> reporter: he speaks publicly, how he came to kenosha providing medical aid. >> i didn't notice mr. rosenbaum until he came out the car and ambushed me. >> reporter: he said rosenbaum
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threatened him earlier and yelling. >> he said if i catch you [ bleep ] alone, i am going to [ bleep ] kill you. >> everybody that you shot at that night you intended to kill, correct? >> i didn't intend to kill them. i intended to stop the people who were attacking me. >> you made an intentional decision in the middle of that incident to turn and point the gun at mr. rosenbaum. >> reporter: with the jury out of the room, the judge raised his voice. the prosecutor accusing him of improper testimony. >> you are telling me when the judge says i am excluding this, you take it upon yourself to put it in because you think you found a way around it? come on? >> this judge is, willie, this judge is as joke. he's been a joke from the
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beginning. the prosecution tried to get in -- just basic evidence that would go to the character of the defendant, the t-shirt he was wearing after he got out saying he was free as you know what -- and sitting there basically taking great pride that he killed people and that he was out as far as again going to his character that he beats teenage girls, the prosecution tried the get that in. of course he's been crying like the witness stand and he just happens to cross state line break gun laws illegally carrying around ar-15 and shoot three people and killed people.
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this judge again is absolutely disgusting the way he's conducting himself on the stand there. he's obviously playing for a certain audience. >> it looks like it at times. this is a high bar for the prosecution to clear which is self-defense, how do you get inside the mind of kyle rittenhouse, did he feel like he had to defend his own life. they got some reports from that claim from prosecution of the one man who says yes, i have a gun and i waved at rittenhouse. let's ask former prosecuor charles komen who's been watching this. you understand what's going on and you are watching how the judge is behaving and how the prosecutor is behaving and mr. rittenhouse yesterday on the stance. if you are the prosecutor in this case, how are you feeling right now? >> to be honest, if i am the
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prosecutor in this case, i would feel not good. the prosecutor had a difficult case from the house, it's important that viewers understand that this was not going to be an open-shut case for the prosecution to start with. the judge has not done them any favors in terms of his ruling and made it an uphill battle. when kyle rittenhouse took the stand, that's an unconventional move to put a teenager on the stand. there were some snappers he made. i wanted an ar-15 because ill i thought it was cool. he had an effective direct in terms of his testimony and laying it out in front of the jury and creating reasonable doubt and it's important that the audience understand that the standard here is reasonable
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doubt. do they reasonable doubt the state of mind that rittenhouse -- >> so charles for people who have not been in the courtroom the way you have. explain what you saw between the judge and the prosecution yesterday. the judge sends the jury out of the room and they had that back and forth where the judge yells the prosecution yells on that line of questioning, what did we watch there and how odd is this dynamic throughout the trial between the judge and the attorneys in the courtroom. >> it's not unusual to see something like that happens. this judge when after the prosecutor is a little bit much. i know at different times experienced myself or seen other attorney being -- not to this
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degree. what i will say is there was one particular rule that the judge made was appropriate and that was on the prosecutor going into a line of questioning regarding rittenhouse's silence in the wake of his arrest and part of the reason i say that because we all do have a constitutional right against self-in crimination, i appreciate the judge did want to protect against inferences that were drawn there. there were different other rules that this judge made throughout the trial that was extremely problematic. sometimes as a prosecutor you know that you are going to get dinged by the judge by something that you ask but you feel the risk is walter scott the reward because you can't unring the bell in the eyes and ears of the jury. once the jury asks a certain question, that's it. that's why the judge was so
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adamant. this judge does not want to see that. the degree, the level and the anger that the judge display towards the attorneys, i thought that was uncalled for. >> charles, help me out here. it's obviously the burden that the states carrying into this case is high regardless. so let's move the judge to the side discounted any rulings that we have seen or have not seen that may have helped the defense, help rittenhouse, let's move to the side and anything the prosecution made or things they have made or should have done, let me ask you if this trial were to start tomorrow and you were going to be the prosecutor and i was just talking to you and asking you okay, you are going to go in and try this case, how hard is it going to be for you to get these charges to stick?
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what would you say? >> on a scale of 1 through 10, it would be 8.5. this is a difficult case because of the chaotic scene. most of the witnesses you have seen do something to help your case but they also do something to hurt yours case. that's not a good way to build the case. a lot of the witnesses that prosecution put on have not been helpful. the one big criticism that i have for the prosecutor in this case is that cross-examination was too long and it was boring and it had jurors sort of wiping their eyes and not paying attention. it needed to get to the point. i understood technically what the prosecutor was looking to do, that identifies with specific moments they're going to try and go back to summation and put together as a string of event to suggest that
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rittenhouse could not have acted sensibly. the way they did that was so in effective and completely lost the jury and could hurt their case. >> charles, what do we as frustrated americans looking at a situation like this, looking at a situation of george zimmerman going out of his way to find trouble and killing trayvon martin when he was carrying skittles. here you got a kid who decides he's going to cross state lines with an ar-15 which he bought because he says he thought it was quote "cool," i guarantee you gun rights people cringed when they heard that. they cringe when they see people running around in public spaces willing ar-15s and aiming them at people. what do you do in these cases.
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he made all of these choices and gets in the middle of the riot and he pleads self-defense while he carries around an ar-15. i understand it's going to be hard for some of these charges to stick. my god, there is a charge for reckless of endangerment of other people or some other charge that can stick for somebody who acts recklessly as he does and in a way did this type of tragedy. >> joe, i think you raise an interesting question and the recklessness is apart of it. what i will say for many of us frustrated with the facts of this case as they were playing out, one of the things made this
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challenging was everybody had guns. one of the assailants and victims in this case was also armed. that was part of the issue and such a chaotic scene. you raise an interesting question and ip to pose something that one may find controversial that needs to be said here. kyle rittenhouse enjoys the protection of having been a 17-year-old being viewed as a 17-year-old teenager. if he was a black kid who crossed state line and went into brooklyn during black lives matter protest and shot someone with an ar-15, he would not enjoy the widespread amount of support from gun enthusiasts and other people. that's an important thing we have to understand. part of rittenhouse is getting the sympathy he is because of
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how he's shown up in the world. >> if rittenhouse had been a black guy and gone up with an ar-15 around his neck and talked to police officers, they would not treat him the way they did. oh cool, great to have you here with our ar-15. go. charles, there is no doubt about it. it's laughable for anybody if you would suggest otherwise. now because police officers did not stop him earlier. we have some people who looks like are not going to receive justice. charles coleman, thank you so much. greatly appreciate you being here. testimonies resume tomorrow. we'll go live to the courthouse in kenosha. mika, again, it certainly looks like the state is not going to make their case. >> well, and charles' last point is kind of cut too close.
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it really is -- there is a big problem in our society in the way we view people and how they present themselves to the world. if he were a young black man this would be a different story. i believe that. >> it's so obvious and it actually - everybody knows that. >> the rate of inflation soaring to its highest levels. our kristen welker reports on how the biden administration is reacting. >> reporter: president biden aiming to taut the benefits of the bipartisan infrastructure bill he's set to sign on wednesday. >> infrastructure week has finally arriving but over shadowing it all a setback for
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the economy. >> consumer prices remaining too high. >> reporter: inflation soaring to its highest levels in 30 years. 6.2% over last year, the rise in consumer prices surging faster than anticipated including gas prices up 50%, used cars and trucks up 26%. beef prices up 20%. >> how does this moment compare to the past 30 years? >> this is the worst it has ever been. >> reporter: tom crenshaw is the executive chef, he says the prices of meat have double or triple. >> we went from $40 to fill it or $75. >> reporter: crenshaw is passing some of those costs onto customers. >> it's hard to look at people in the eyes. i know you paid $16 for this burger, it's $20 today. >> everything is too high.
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>> you have a budget and then you laugh. >> reporter: factoring in inflation, americans hourly wages declining 1.2%. the news comes as the economy has been showing signs of strength including half a million jobs added just last month. the unemployment rate dropping. part of the inflation surge is blamed on the ongoing supply chain crisis including workers shortages. >> it's a once in a generation investment. >> reporter: the president releasing $17 billion early to tackle it, modernizing ports and deepening harbors and redirecting other grant money to address supply chain crisis and many projects could take years. >> they can't find what they always want and when they want it. we are tracking these issues and trying to figure out how to tackle it head on. >> let's bring in our msnbc's
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anchor stephanie ruhle and jonathan lemire and professor at princeton university, eddie glou jr. stephanie, i remember when inflation shot as high as it did, you know in public life, i have been a fiscal conservative and scared to death of inflation, i know that once it takes off, it's hard to reign it in. a lot of people laughed, inflation, it's never coming back. it's here now. how much of a challenge is it and how much does wall street worry about and business owners that we are look asset. how much do they worry about taking off like it has in the past? >> they're worried. this is serious. people are looking at jay powell and saying hold on a second, we get it. you had to be there with an ambulance and a stretcher and
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say i am here for the economy, he left the barn door open so long that we are in a difficult situation. you have to remember though joe, this is not inflation in isolation. this is completely tied to covid. the government did not know it was going to be a rocky recovery, that's why we got three stimulus checks and expanded child tax credit is providing the families over 60 million children right now, on average $430 a month. the government provided cushion knowing it would be difficult. one may say what is it going to do to people on fixed income? come next year, the social security payment and fixed payment is going to go up to account for inflation. it's not like the government is turning the other cheek and say oh, nothing is happening here. they're taking action. it's going to be a complicated recovery but it's also al good one. the economy is going strong. >> economy is moving in the
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right direction in a lot of areas but a lot of concerns, i ask you in the business community of the people you talked to, how concerned are they that the federal government as you said pump trillions of dollars into the economy during 2020 and 2021 about $6 trillion, a little over $6 trillion and now they're going to pump in $1.2 trillion with the infrastructure bill and they're going to pump in possibly $1.75 trillion. every republican and some democrats concerning of the effects of that and well, regardless of how you feel about the packages, they need to be concerned unless it's paid for. >> the business community is very concerned but i would point out one of the reasons businesses are allowed to charge the prices they are because we have the money to pay that. household savings hit a record high, we are expecting holiday shopping to be through the roof so yes, that hamburger
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restaurant is charging 20 bucks for a burger and that's crazy except for the fact that you can't get a reservation at the restaurant because people are willing to pay that prices who got the money. >> to the point of all that inflation and joe manchin criticized of biden's argument that inflation are short lived. it's instead getting worse from the grocery stores and gas pumps, americans know inflation tax israel. d.c. can't ignore the economic pain the americans feel everyday. this is a point others have made long before this number came out yesterday. we put $2 trillion in and we swung another $1.2 trillion out the door. there is more coming down the road. if you think this 6.2% is bad now, wait until you see what happens next. >> senator manchin has as you know been consistent on this worried about inflation and
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yesterday went onto say as he's done before of this reconciliation package that is currently now worked on in congress should be delayed. he thinks it should be paused and push at 2022 perhaps some of his inflation worries decreased. the administration don't want to do that. president biden spent a lot of time in a speech in baltimore that was meant to celebrate the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill which will signed to law on monday. the event was hijacked by inflation concerns and the cpi report put out earlier in the day, he acknowledged the prices are too high and milk or gas whatever it may be. americans are paying too much. he believes these federal investments will help ease inflation because it will for instance, investments and ports help produce supply chains and issues. that's going to take some time. >> this whole argument they are
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making we are going to make these huge investments and jobs, great, who's going to fill them? we have millions of jobs that people are not taking. why do you believe a whole new crop of people we never heard of are going to run these jobs. >> the argument the president made these are going to be better paying jobs. he said these will be $45 an hour job. this is going to take time that this money that's shovelled in the ground. some of these projects can get going right away and others will take longer. it does as a final point underscores and growing concerns of the holiday is a real crisis. they thought it was further down the horizon and did not immediately rule out a plan to
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combat it and now we are seeing it move to the forefront even as they do try to get the larger reconciliation bill passed. >> as we get people, more people going back to work, the economy, everybody didn't go back let's say in june or july when covid and infection rates when down and the economy did not over heat. i wonder if this slow transition backs into sort of a mainstream economy in a way that extends in a way that'll help americans more effectively and get back into the work force without inflation being higher but eddie, let's talk about this economy for working americans, there are some positive things to look at, wages going up but inflation's going up as well. we got supply chain problems.
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i think steph is right, you look at the number of jobs added this year and you look at a lot of areas, it has been very positive but there are still, there are still these sort of blind spots, economic blind spots whether it's getting everybody back to work or whether it's getting the shelves filled, they're some real problems there. the biggest is inflation because they're going to feel it at the pump and in grocery stores and they're going to feel it in hardware stores more than a lot of us. >> you know joe, you are absolutely right. i completely agree with stephanie on this and part of what i am trying to do is wrap my mind around what does it mean for us to recognize the reality of covid-19 and the sculpt of this disruption.
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what does it mean for us to think we are post covid? we want to think everything is back to normal and we are back to where we were or we want to compare inflation now to what happened 30 years ago. 30 years ago there was not a global pandemic that left 700,000 people dead. when we think of last year of thanksgiving and holidays, we could not get together with our family, we were burying people. there is this kind of debt and desire, for this kind of instant resolution of what we have been through, it's going to take a minute. it's going to take a while and maybe our kids can't get their presents because of the supply chain problems but guess what, we'll be together. they'll get to say nana and we may be able to buy things like we used to even though we have more money saved, we are coming
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out of something. i think that's important for americans to recognize that we are still grappling with covid-19 and its after effects. >> fair enough. stephanie ruhle. thank you very much for coming on this morning. we'll see you at 9:00 a.m. eastern time right after "morning joe." >> and eddie is right, we are coming out of something which we have never seen before, it may take a little while. the economy, you got inflation down 4.6%. >> we get more job openings right now than we ever had in the history of this country as steph said. saing rates are higher than they have been. i remember looking at america's saing rates after 2016 crash and it was dismal. americans have money in the bank. americans have jobs that they can go and work at. the stories are being told and
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things we are complaining about, they're the opposite of what we have heard from the past 20 years, truck drivers losing their jobs and everything is going to be automated, there will be no jobs out there left for anybody. well, we have the opposite problem, we can't fill all the jobs that are out there for the work force. we need to keep things in perspective, things are not perfect. they sure are moving in a good direction compares to where we were a year ago. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll be joined by house majority whip jim clyburn and congressman seth moulton and the threatening voice mail a gop voter received. we'll talk about the backlash other republicans are facing. actor alec baldwin and the producer of the film "rust" are
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it's 47 past the hour, the fight against the covid-19 pandemic, the biden administration announced major progress in the vaccine roll-out for younger children. here is the update for the white house's covid coordinator. >> while our program is up and running this week. by the end of the date today, we estimate over 900,000 kids ages 5 through 11 will have already gotten their first shot. and through pharmacies alone, 700,000 additional appointments are already on the calendar at local pharmacies. parents and families across the country are breathing giant sighs of relieves. we are just getting started. #.
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>> jonathan lemire, a lot of americans just had enough of covid and they are ready to have it in their rear-view mirror, it's something the white house understands. infections had been going down. that plateau a bit. what does the white house plan to do for the holidays to fight covid? >> officials in the public health team had some concerns about the holidays. we know cold weather in the winter and this last year covid-19 transmitted much more freely, people congregated indoors and americans are getting together over thanksgiving and christmas and so son. the biden administration wants people to do that if they are vaccinated. look, if you are vaccinated, you should do this. enjoy a safe holiday season with your loved ones.
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the concern of those who are still not vaccinated and the numbers who certainly gone up better than the number of adults who are vaccinated. there are still stubborn of pockets of americans refused to do so. obviously the white house is just the first municipalities about that. they feel like they need to keep the pedal to the metal here. hopefully the nation shift to a different part of the pandemic but they also and this is something they struggle with the messaging, they know they have a time struggle with the positives. here are the rewards and things are going better now. we are in a better place. it's the vaccine, joe. aides i talked to yesterday saying they are encouraged of where they are and the number of
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children getting vaccinated. more boosters coing on soon. that pool is going to open up. and we are a couple of months away still for vaccines for children 5 and under, and at that point all americans will get a shot of getting a shot. >> about 60% of americans are fully vaccinated and right now 225 million americans have had at least one vaccine shot. >> the kids getting it is a game changer. a federal judge in texas has struck down governor greg abbott's executive order banning mask mandates in schools. the move sets the stage in school district -- banning facial coverings in schools
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adding the ban violates american disableablety act. joining us now, washington correspondent covering health policies for the new york times, cheryl gray stolburns. great to have you with us. >> cheryl, we were just playing ping-pong but for the most part we saw in the main healthcare case, for the most part the u.s. supreme court has been willing to defer to the states, have they not? >> yes, for the most part they have. we do know that mask mandates
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work especially in schools where most kids are not vaccinated the pediatric vaccines have only been available just about a week. it's important the cdc says to layer protection. you will have teachers and adults vaccinated and with kids wearing masks, it's much likely that the coronavirus will spread. i think certainly from the biden administration perspective, texas order is important. >> so tell us about the story you wrote about that i was fascinated by. moderna part of a group of companies who really just did extraordinary work over the past year or a year and a half. you report that right now they don't want to give credit to scientists that they work with,
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the u.s. government which sounds awfully strange. tell us about it. >> moderna grew out of a four-year collaboration between the company and the national institutes of health, and researchers were working with moderna on other coronaviruses and vaccines for other coronaviruses before the pandemic hit before the china outbreak occurred. the mih says its people worked side by side with moderna and moderna said they worked to develop the coronavirus vaccine but now moderna wants to block mih's researchers from being on a key patent of the vaccine and it's not dispute of ego or scientific credit. a lot of money is at stake. if the government had, -- if those scientists were named, the government would be co-owner of
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the patent and could license out that technology and that could mean millions of dollars in revenues for the government and cut into billions of dollars of profits for moderna so a lot of money at stake here. >> good morning, you are plugged in in this world of health. i am curious of what you think of the conventional wisdom of where we are in this pandemic. we talk to doctors everyday. we got a vaccine available for anyone in this country who wants it from five years old and up and now they're testing this pfizer pill we have been talking about as well. the medical community, the pharmaceutical company, the government has thrown everything and done a miraculous job at it. what's your sense of concern among healthcare officials and doctors and hospitals about where this could go into the winter and what next year may look like. >> the concern is about a
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variant that could evade the vaccine. i talked to dr. fauci earlier this week, 99% of the cases in this country are delta variant. there are a lot of concerns out there and we still have a lot of virus circulating as you can see some 70,000 people are cases are reported a day. that's a high level of virus that's circulating in the country and the winter months are coming, people moving indoors and traveling. there are a lot more concern that those numbers could go up. we are likely to see in fairly near future the fda authorizing a vaccine booster for everyone. pfizer asked the fda to do that and the word that we are getting is fda will do it and maybe even before thanksgiving but certainly before the christmas holiday when there is a lot of gatherings and a lot of travel. we still have a lot of people who are not vaccinated in this
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country. roughly 80% of the people who were eligible, 12 and older are vaccinated. that's still 20%, one-fifth of the country that's not >> cheryl, thank you so much for being on the show and sharing your reporting with us. we'll talk to you again soon. >> thank you. as the country observes veterans day, we are joined by msnbc's military analyst, our friend jack jacobs, he served as an assistant battalion adviser during the vietnam where he and his company were ambushed by viet cong forces in 1988. the 22-year-old took patrol of his battalion and fighting off forces. jack, it's good to have you on
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the show today. >> so good to have you here with us. great honor as always. just share us your thoughts today on this veterans day. >> huh? >> we absolutely want to hear what jack has to say. we have to fix his audio. >> we are having some audio issues with jack. we'll get back to him right after a quick break. t back to h after a quick break.
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cemetery, 2021. welcome to "morning joe," as we honor our veterans and sacrifices made by not just themselves but their families. let's turn back to jacob. i think you can speak best for your colleagues and comrades and their families and help teach our viewers about the importance of what everything that needs to be remembered on veterans day. >> yeah, it's interesting, everybody and every household made the contribution to defense the republic. i had friends and fathers who are missing arms and legs and eyes during the war. now we rely on a small number of young men and women who are willing to serve this country and i was asked not long ago of what i think of on veterans day
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and it's the same thing i think of everyday, 2 million or so young people who are out there defending 130 million of us. we forget we owe our freedom to those not only who have served but those who are serving right now, most americans don't know anybody in uniform, it's important on a day like today we stop for a second and take stock of the contributions that's made by a very small number of our citizens, the contribution they make for our health now and going into the future. >> good morning jack, medal of honor recipient and purple
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heart. you are the person to talk to this morning. i want to ask you about how do we take care for our veterans. i hosted a great organization that does take care of our veterans out of ucla medical center. you listen to the stories and the hoops they have to jump through and insurance that does not cover them and the breaking of this pact that we make with our men and women who fight our wars, if you go do that and defend the country so i don't have to. we'll take care of you when you get home. in many cases, that deal is being broken. how do we get better at that in how do we keep the focus on our warriors when they come home from the battlefield? >> in 2001 when we got started in this longest war and our participation just ended, the capability are interested in taking care of our veteran was i think in many respects have lowered. it has improved dramatically in
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two decades but it has a long way to go because there is not any way that we can pay back these people who contributed so much to our freedom. what we need to in terms of taking care of them. it's better now but like any other bureaucracy, the department of veterans affair, it takes strong leadership to continue to move it from a situation for people who get good care and may get taken care of to a situation where we are absolutely assured that we'll take care of everybody. it's improved but could always be better but there are people working on it but it takes leadership. >> most recently that we don't loose sight of the people who
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fought for us and keep the focus for us. >> i want to ask you this, you were the executive producer of "ten weeks." what will we see when we check this out, jack? >> you will see average everyday americans who decide to put on the clothe of this nation and defend their country. they started off by being -- this is unscripted, we follow a whole bunch of young americans going through basic training at fort jackson, south carolina and what we lose sight of is these are ordinary americans who are defending our country. they start off as plain old civilians just like everybody else but their problems and hopes and dreams and after ten weeks they are soldiers. they are home and they do what they need to do and most significantly, the thing that comes out the entire series is
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the notion that they are all taking care of each other. yes, we have to accomplish our mission but we have the take care of each other and it's probably a pretty good template for how we need to think of ourselves as americans, i am always reminded of and i think it was benjamin franklin "we either hang together or we'll hang separately." that comes out of these young kids going through basic army training >> colonel, we look back over the past 20 years of war since september 11th, i have known you for most of that time. we talked about the start of the iraq war and the surge and ongoing battles in afghanistan.
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certainly there is a lot of mistakes we all have made looking at our place in the world and what our military men and women should or should not do. you look at the 2500 people in syria that were able to hold off russians and syrians and iranians and isis and turks. it seems the me that fighting forces have become more effective over 20 years of battle and hardshihardships. what are your thoughts in 2021? >> we have to make sure we don't conflate, the people at the bottom of the food chain trying to carry to the best of their
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ability and those who makes strategic decisions, one of the things we learn from general colin powell over a long period of time was his notion that we have to start at the end and work backwards. don't commit resources until you articulate of what ever it's you try to do. we need to keep in mind that we need to do exactly the same thing at the national strategic level. don't spend money and don't spend lives and time and don't spend goodwill unless you know what you are trying to accomplish and be able to articulate when you accomplished it. that's one of the things we have learned in the past 20 years, i hope we don't forget it, joe. >> thank you very much, "ten weeks" is available today on the
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roku channel. we'll turn now to wisconsin in a courtroom as kyle rittenhouse took the witness stand in his own murder trial telling the jurors he acted in self-defense in august of last year when he killed two people during a protest in kenosha, rittenhouse broke down during the testimony and the judge had to call a recess. >> there are -- there were people -- >> [ cries ]
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>> when he was asked why he shot the first victim and why he was in possession of an ar-15 rifle and why he needed a gun in the first place. >> why were you trying to get to the police? >> i didn't do anything wrong, i defended myself. >> you got an ar-15 for any other reason? >> i thought it looked cool but no. >> you didn't pick it out because you wanted to go hunting with it, did you? >> no. you didn't pick it out because you were going to use it to protect your house, correct? >> correct. >> you picked it out because it looked cool. >> when you decided to bring your ar-15 loaded with 30 rounds
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to the 63rd street location, what did you think you needed protection against? >> i didn't thing i have to protect myself. >> you told us you brought it for protection. >> i did but i didn't think i need to protect myself. >> you brought it along protection but you didn't think you need protection? >> bruce strader took time to chastise the prosecution after he questioned at an incident at a cvs recorded 15 days before the shooting. rittenhouse believed the people leaving the store robbed it or shoplifting the judge says he was strongly leaning towards not allowing the video as evidence. the prosecution argued the judge had let the door open to raising
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it a trial by not ruling. >> the court left the door open. >> for me, not for you. >> my understanding -- >> you should have come and ask for reconsideration. i was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant's post arrest silence. that's basic law, it's been basic law in this country for 40 years or 50 years, i have no idea why you would do something like that. i heard nothing in this trial to change any of my rules. >> that was before the testimony. >> my good faith feeling this morning after watching the testimony was you left the door open a little bit and now we have something new and i was going to probe it. >> i don't believe you. >> when you were acting on good faith, i don't believe it, okay? >> rittenhouse's attorney says
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they would seek a mistrial with precedent prejudice, meaning the case would not be able to refiled, joining us now is david henderson and host of msnbc, politics nation and president of the national network, reverend al sharpton. i appreciate you both being here. david, i first want you to give me your take on what we have seen so far and i am specifically interested in your reaction to the judge as he has behaved so far in this trial. >> you know mika, you never get yelled by a judge you are not pushing hard enough when you have to prove the case, we have seen a lot of missteps from the prosecution of this trial and prosecution were dead wrong. when the judge made a ruling, you know you approach that judge before you try to enter the
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territory that he told you to stay away from. you have to be aware of the dynamics of what's going on at the courthouse. i never been in a courthouse where the judge is yelling at room and the jury can't hear it in the jury room. they heard them yelling at you and they heard the day before the witness accused you trying to force them changing their statement. the minute you lose that, you start losing the case. >> david, let me put to you the question i asked charles coleman about an hour ago, he gave us an interesting take on that. if you are the prosecution right now given what we have seen in the courtroom the last couple of days and your job is to prove that rittenhouse was the aggressor and not acting in self defense, how are you feeling this morning? >> not good at all. he gave them an indictment.
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it was not an intentional killing. it was the first killing. it was an utter disregard for human life based on recklessness. the way that you build your case does not reflect that. here is all you have to know about how to try a case. if there is something bad, you tell her first, you do not let her find it out from somebody else. now you have to overcome the credibility gap before you start proving your case. prosecutions have done it multiple times in this case. the most notable was a gross point, he should have looked like a hero but instead he supported rittenhouse's defense claim. >> david, what do you make of that decision, i know it's not always wise ten the case is head ed your direction any way. what did you make of that beyond the display of emotions. >> i do think rittenhouse is
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guilty but i think the defense managed to raise self-defense. you have this long explanation of the prosecution. it was not until the second half they started scoring points of how they are approaching it. a lot of people are focusing on the emotions of rittenhouse, that's going to go two different ways. i have tried a lot of cases involving trauma and emotion in the courtroom, some jurors will say he seen like a kid and broken up. other jurors are going to say he's been sitting here for a week, he's doing it now because it's self-serving. it's hard to know which direction it goes. this comes back to your earlier question, if we are debating about it, it's hard to argue and you have proven it beyond a reasonable doubt. the other case we are
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following, the three men killing ahmaud arbery. one of them had the man trapped like a rat before he was fatally shot. a glenn county police told tl jury that he spoke with gregg mcmichael, he said arbery was not out for a sunday jog, he was getting the hell out of there. he recognized arbery because he had been recorded by security camera a few times. he was trapped like as rat, greg mcmichael said according to a transcript that was read in court. he wanted to flee and he realize ed that he was not going to gets away. the case drew national attention after cell phone video emerged
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showing the three white defendants, mcmichael and his son travis and their neighbor, chasing arbery as he jogged down a residential street before one of them shot him with a shotgun. reverend al, where does this case stand and especially amid, i know you have been helping the families as much as you can. how are they doing? are we still stuck in the quest of justice here? >> i think that the family is strong but outraged. when you sit there and hear your son being described as though being trapped as a rat when he was going for a morning jog, let's remember this young man
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had no weapons. he was totally unarmed and these three men that killed him were not law enforcement. they had no right to pursue him than harm him and then chase him down and when you look at mika, that we are two months away from the tenth anniversary of trayvon martin where george zimmerman and another case, he was killed by an unarmed security guard, ten years later, we have the case now of rittenhouse in kenosha and this case, in ten years we are still having white civilians killing unarmed people and possibly walk away with no
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penalties. not event one tenth of the jury is black. and that caused a lot of concerns. clearly there are statements that i think should move. we'll see ten years later -- >> reverend al, i am wondering if i can follow up a question that charles coleman brought up in our show, what if rittenhouse were black, how would things are different? >> if he were black, we would not have a story. clearly he would have been dealt
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with quickly and immediately and that would have been considered normal. i think that clearly when we look at the fact that if he were someone that were going to a white concern as a black man with an ar-15 across state line and killed two people, it would be automatic that he would be arrested and charged with murder and barely making it back for arrest. that would be the story. the fact that the reverse is not so and that it's a big story, we still have a long way to go with race and criminal justice. let's get your legal analysis of what we are seeing in the courtroom. i asked you the question of how
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the prosecution and rittenhouse's trial should feel. how should prosecution feel so far and still a long way to go. how is this trial going inside the courtroom? >> you know willie, the trial inside of the courtroom in georgia is different in that the evidence is so overwhelming, those men are guilty. you are dealing with other problems in that case that had more to do and not in love with the way prosecution is trying the case because beginning with opening arguments, they said this case is about assumptions. when you are a prosecutor, that's not how you start. you should know enough about ahmaud to be able to identify with him. the evidence is so overwhelming and what jumps out to me is that you have three defense lawyers
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that said our clients are known in the community, they know they would be able to discriminate during jury election, they did effectively. they know something else. this is a case where they are directly going for jury nullification. it makes me nervous. >> thank you both for coming on helping us cover and give perspectives to these two really important trials going on. still ahead on "morning joe," do democrats have a messaging problem? jeremy peters joining us. many republicans are afraid of crossing former president trump, but chris christie does not appear to be one of them. we'll show you his new comment appearing to taunt his long time friend. you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. rninjog e," we'll be right back.
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28 past the hour, a live look at the white house. the sun is up for washington. the big issue is u.s. inflation. it's hitting levels we have not seen before in decades. more and more industries have reopened in the past year but with demand up and nearly every sector so are the prices. tom costello has a closer look at what's driving it all. >> reporter: whether you are filling your tank or stocking up at the grocery stores. or dining out. the cost for just about everything is trending higher. the consumer price index spiking 6.2% for october, the largest inflation surged in more than three decades. >> gas prices are bananas. >> everything is across the board. >> reporter: just in the past year, a gallon of milk have
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climbed 28 cents. a pound of ground beef is up 66 cents. gas prices soared more than we have seen in 2016. >> reporter: the supply chain crisis making it tough to order parts. >> most are available if you are willing to wait. it used to be we can get it in and out and now it's times a week. >> a week or even longer. yes. absolutely. >> reporter: from autoparts to toy stores. you will pay more as you are traveling for the holidays of 23% over last year, $300 round trip on average. if you wait until christmas, $500 round trip. air fares are lower than they were. millions of people have left the work force. >> the economy is reopening and
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employers are scrambling. what they are doing is passing along a higher cost of prices. >> the priing that i get now changes weekly. i am not going to change the brisket sign to say market price. we just keep it like it is. some week is a lower margin and some is higher. >> joining us now is members of the white house council economic adviser, jared bernstein. i know we a lot of different angles to this. let's first talk about the labor shortage because you would think when you look at the prices out there at the grocery store and at the gas pump, if you want to
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my anything, if you can get it, chances are can you afford it, why is it that there are so many open jobs? >> we are in one of the strongest labor market. the rescue plan, the fingerprints are all over that boom. let me give you a few numbers. >> unemployment claims are down 7%, fastest on record since the president took office. jobs rate would not fall below 5% per year, hit 4.6%. the jobless rate is falling faster than it has in 70 years. 5.6 million jobs created since this president took office. 620,000 for months. i know i am rattling off a lot of numbers, the weight of the
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evidence is we have one of the strongest labor markets providing opportunities for workers i have seen in decades. >> are you saying there are so many jobs out there that there is not enough people to fill them. i am asking about people who won't show up to work in southwest harbor, maine or people won't come to work or pump gas in white plains new york. what is happening there? >> this is a little bit of spoiler alert. it's murder on the express, there are many perks, not just one single silver bullet that explains all of that. let me start by saying when this pandemic shuts down the economy last year, the labor force fell in two months by 8 million. i have never seen anything like that. it's up 5 million since then.
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60% is back. i think people don't recognize how many workers have come back. there are a set of factors going on right now that's suppressing some people coming the job mark. it's a combination of covid which is still upon the land and we see this labor force development track case loads closely. back in may, there were 10 million people who told the bureau statistic that i am not in the labor force because of covid. people have cared concerns and there is issues with schools that are very much improving and by the way, vaccinating kids will be important to solve this and we almost have a million vaccinations in the past week of kids and of course some people had excess savings because they spent less on in-person services and they got some government help with the checks and
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unemployment benefits and as they spend through those, that'll also have folks coming back to the jobs market soon. >> jared, good morning. it's jonathan lemire, let's pivot more towards of the supply chain and walk us through what the white house is trying to do to address these shortages. there are evidence where you see there are things that are not there in stores or they cost more. the president addressed that in baltimore and there is a real fear this will increase as the holidays approached. >> and there are two different tracks of activities going on in
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terms of these supply chain snarl, one is near terminan. our port envoy is sitting out there and they are moving through those ports than they ever have before. the other side of the country, our port of georgia, our transportation of department is providing resources so they can set up five different pop up container yards to take up half a million containers outs of those ports and clear up the gym so they can move around and unsnarl those chains. we are seeing results already. medium and longer terms though. infrastructure plan and building back better are custom design to build resiliency into our supply chain. these measures and i think this has been misunderstood by folks up in capitol hill, these
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measures ease inflationary pressure. >> all right, member of the white house counsel of economic adviser, jared bernstein, i think you have to come back a few times and walk us through it. >> a lot of moving parts. >> a lot of moving parts. we appreciate you coming on. willie. joining me here is jeremy peters in his latest piece, do democrats have a messaging problem. good to see you, jeremy. let's talk about the post virginia world for democrats where terry mcauliffe lost to youngkin. some democrats have said should have ran an aggressive campaign. we got to speak to voters differently or mccarthy is right, we'll get wiped out in the midterms in 2022.
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take us inside some of those conversations that are happening of the democratic party? >> as far as criticism, terry mcauliffe was not aggressive enough. if you look at the number, the same percentage of liberals showed up. the idea that he did not energize the left does not hold all that much water when you look at the hard numbers. the messaging issue is crucial because there are a lot of issues out there right now that voters are deeply concerned about that are hitting their pocketbooks and schools and these are really emotional and they are right for distortion by conservative media and what democrats have a hard time doing according to a lot of folks i have been talking is explaining that it's more than just right-wing misinformation. yes, crimes have exaggerated and inflation.
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if you watched some conservative media these days, you think we were living through some sort of zombie apocalypse. things are problematic out there, democrats have not found a way to validate those concerns and tell people yes, we feel your pain and we understand what you are going through, what mcauliffe have done is basically saying no, those are made-up issues and they're attributable to racism and nothing is to see here. she was talking about schools and parents and other things and it felt empathetic to a lot of voters who may have voted for joe biden last time and swung over to youngkin.
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if you are having a grandular debate of what critical race theory is and is not, you are losing that conversation. >> or if you are saying don't worry about that. you are being misled by republicans, this information, it sounds dismissive and there is a sociologyist, he called this the fox news fallacy. this is what i will get into my latest piece. there is a reflective tendency among democrats if fox news or right-media outlets talk about something then it's illegitimate as an issue according to many democrats and the idea is there are plenty of democrats who want their politicians to get away from the mindset. they need to come up with better ways of explaining why inflation was an issue and why and what they are doing on crime that's
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not linked to the hugely unpopular defund the police slogan which is another major issue in our new york city mayor. while crime rates overall have fallen the last few decades does not mean there have not been spikes in big cities and it's a real issue that's making a lot of people anxious and it's more than just a right-wing talk. >> you got this amazing new book coming out in february called "insurgency" where you get inside the republican party. and i imagine you talked to a bunch of republicans, maybe we can keep donald trump at a bit at arm's length and run a campaign that looks more like mit romney than it does with donald trump. what are those conversations now
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after virginia? >> i think there is a concern and a valid realization that the glenn youngkin's campaign kind of happened in a vacuum. it was the one national race that people focused on. they did a good job at keeping trump satisfied privately to the point where he would not go out and attack youngkin which is always the biggest concern. trump attacking, his opponent always had a bigger impact than republicans themselves. that's when he can make republicans really vulnerable. the question is whether or not he allows it to happen again in 2022. is he going to stay placated enough and also will he be in the news cycle again like he was
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not this past time and i think we have ever indication he plans on being a much more active president. >> chris christie got a window into not just how cris christie is going to handle donald trump going forward but other republicans. let's watch. >> you said that elections for republicans need to be about the future and not the grievances of the past, donald trump put out a statement saying that you gotte. >> well, i made the conscious decision, mike that i want to spend my time combatting the policies of joe biden and kamala harris and trying to help republicans win governorships in the house and senate in 2022, i am not going to get back and forth with donald trump. when i ran for reelection, i got 60% of the votes, when he ran
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banning governor abbott's ban. >> kids within the be forced by the government or schools to wear a mask in school. >> reporter: in a comment with dr. wallensky, vaccines for ram the time to let our guard down. >> kids should continue to wear masks even if they're vaccinated? >> and i would say masks are for now but they are not forever. >> reporter: in new york city children aren't just going to get vaccines, the vaccines are coming to them. it was quick. did it hurt? >> no. >> reporter: no? that's good. you're brave, aren't you? >> yes. >> reporter: shots are right there when class is over. >> we're very, very happy they're able to get vaccinated, and the school made it so easy. >> reporter: the white house says nearly 1 million children ages 5 to 11 have received their first covid shot. 700,000 more have scheduled appointments in pharmacies alone. those parents haven't hesitated. but actor matthew mcconaughey issued the skittishness many
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feel about their young children getting getting vaccinated. >> i'm not vaccinating mine, i'll tell you that. >> reporter: the surgeon general says that puts kids at risk. >> covid is not harmless in our children. many kids have died, sadly, hundreds and thousands hospitalized. >> joining us now the president of the american academy of pediatrics, thank you for being with us this morning. so how are -- how is the rate of getting kids vaccinated going? what are the numbers looking like? >> they're looking good. we're really only a week into this actually. and you just shared almost a million children ages 5 to 11 have been vaccinated, and i think this is terrific, and i know there have been families who have been waiting a long time for this, and we know there have been pediatricians waiting a long time for this. we have so many of our pediatrician members who are
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just really excited to be a part of this and a part of helping keep kids safe. >> explain the safety of this vaccine. how does it compare to other vaccines kids have to get in order to go to school in the first place? any difference in terms of the safety and efficacy? >> no, no difference at all. i think this is one thing that is really important to know. these are safe and effective vaccines, and the process that actually any vaccine goes through, you know, through the course of testing and trials and approval and review by the different advisers and experts is really rigorous. i think we can feel very confident that this is a safe and effective vaccine just like all the other childhood vaccines that we do get. >> dr. beers, good morning. it's willie geist. let me ask you about masks in schools. a lot of parents have been fully supportive of the school districts and played by the rules, okay, if all the kids are going to be vaccinated, or most
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of the kids vaccinated from 5 up, isn't it time here pretty soon to get rid of those masks in schools? even people who support vaccines. parents who don't want their kids to be in masks for years on end. at what point do you think the masks can go away? >> it's a great question and i agree, i think everybody is looking forward to that time. i don't want to get ahead of our experts who review all the data and everything pretty much continuously. the three things that really went into our decision to recommend masks in schools are the same considerations we're going to be looking at if we -- when we make any further recommendations. first the percentage of people immunized, the more who are immunized, the safrp it is. the second is the level of spread in our communities. i think we know rates are coming down now, but they are leveling
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off a bit and they are still higher than they've been at almost any point in the pandemic. i think that's an important thing for all of us to know. one of the things we can all do to help move us to that place where we don't need masks anymore is get immunized and do the things we need to do to get the spread down. the final thing we think about, just practical considerations for our teachers. they're managing a lot, and so we want to make sure that the recommendations for schools are clear and straightforward and simple and they're not in a position of having to decide this child is supposed to be wearing a mask, this one isn't, so we just want to make things simple and straightforward so they can focus on teaching our kids. >> dr. beers, good morning. it's jonathan lemire. i want to get to you project forward a little bit. if you give us the best timetable you can when vaccines will be available for children under 5. secondly, the kids who are in
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the 5 to 11 range who are now being vaccinated -- in fact my kids got their first shot on monday -- we know three weeks later or so they'll get their second. is there a sense that like adults those children in those groups will also need boosters down the road? >> yeah, these are terrific questions. i'll take the first one first. children under 5 we, of course, this will go through the same steps authorization for all of our other age groups have, and we have to make sure we take it step-by-step. but what we're hearing and as we understand it data should be available for kids under 5 early next year, so early 2022, at which point things will go through the same process. our experts at the fda will look at that data, moving it forward for authorization and then recommendation by the cdc. if all goes well which
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everything has gone well so far, we could be seeing a vaccine for our younger kids early next year. it's very reasonable to expect that. and based on what we're seeing in adults that i think also remembering those are decisions we can only make after the vaccine has been out and available for a certain period of time. it's reasonable to think that we will be seeing boosters in kids. we also need to take it one step at a time. >> dr. beers, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. keep us posted. >> we will. up next, we'll go live to wisconsin as the trial of kyle rittenhouse kicks off again just a short time from now. will we see the same kind of fireworks that gripped the courtroom during yesterday's session? plus, two important voices in the democrats' internal struggle
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welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful shot of new york city. >> a chamber of commerce day. >> it's the top of the hour, everybody. >> mika, it's veterans day in new york city and, willie, a parade today. you're going to -- because you haven't seen the streets of new york enough. >> you need more exposure. >> you've been holed up. >> got to get outside, willie. >> your fifth avenue penthouse. it's on the 87th floor. >> feel the sun on your face. >> it's that big building. i'm lying. that is mika's penthouse. >> stop it. >> that building with all the satellite dishes on top there.
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willie, you're getting back out on the mean streets of new york city today to walk with our veterans. tell us about it. >> it's not 26.2 miles. that's the good news. don't have to start over the verazzano bridge. no water stations during the veterans day parade. that's a break from a couple days ago. the veterans day parade, nor great day in new york city like marathon day where the city comes out, tourists come out in new york. if you're here and walk the streets, you were out last night, it's bumping again. new york city is crowded. the restaurants are full, bars, people are spilling outside, out front, and today on veterans day, we'll gather all different groups, all different supporters, veterans from as many wars as you can think of marching up fifth avenue to celebrate their service. i'll be there with operation mend out of ucla. i've been with them for ten years and can't wait to head out once we're done today. >> wonderful. >> that's excexciting. >> wonderful. >> willie, you use the same
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terminology i've always used in pensacola. i look left, right, man, this baby is bumping, right? >> it's cool. willie uses it right. you just sound weird. >> well, of course i do. lemire, is brooklyn bumping again? brooklyn is moving, right? again, it's almost like the marathon was the reopening of new york city. i mean, we can't believe how many people were there. i take it it's the same in brooklyn? >> i'm in washington these days at the moment, joe. you're right, certainly more life here in d.c. than there had been. flashback a year ago at the height of the pandemic in new york city, too, and parts of brooklyn. restaurants are open, the bars are open, the stores are open. a lot of people are still sitting outside, even those vaccinated, who can show their vaccine passport, want to make the choice to be outside. the weather has been unseasonably mild, so that adds
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to that. there is the marathon seemed like an inflection point. plenty of people in the streets, there's life again. international travelers are back which is good. the hope for the return of new york city had been planned around yankee home playoff games in okay. we didn't get any of those. it had to be the marathon instead. >> we had veterans day and the marathon and you just take this hard left turn into hate, and i wish you wouldn't on such an important day, jonathan. >> i don't know, joe left -- >> he attacked derek jeter. attacked derek jeter. and then jeter's parents come up to him like at a little league game in brooklyn. and they just look at him, we know you, lemire. we know you. >> yeah. >> that's true. >> okay. we begin this hour in wisconsin following a dramatic day of testimony in the kyle rittenhouse homicide trial with
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the teenager breaking down in tears while taking the stand in his own defense. the possibility of a mistrial now looms after the judge lashed out at the prosecutor. joining us from outside the courthouse in kenosha, nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez. gabe, good morning. >> reporter: mika, good morning. more defense witnesses are expected today after a wild day at this courthouse. the defendant sobbing, the judge yelling, and the defense now asking for a mistrial. >> do you swear the testimony you are about to give -- >> reporter: this morning kyle rittenhouse's attorney is requesting a mistrial with prejudice in the closely watched case after clashes between the judge and the prosecution. that would mean rittenhouse could not be tried again. the request came after he first took the witness stand breaking down as he described the tense moments last summer when he opened fire shooting and killing two men and wounding another.
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>> that's -- >> reporter: the judge calling a short break. rittenhouse's mother in the courtroom sobbing. the dramatic day of testimony coming as the now 18-year-old faces six charges including intentional homicide stemming from last year's protests in kenosha, wisconsin, following the police shooting of jacob blake. >> i didn't do anything wrong. i defended myself. >> reporter: rittenhouse describing how he had come to kenosha to provide medical aid and protect property from rioters telling the court the first man he shot, joseph rosenbaum, had chased him. >> i didn't notice mr. rosenbaum until he came out from behind the car and ambushed me. >> reporter: the prosecution with aggressive cross-examination suggesting that rittenhouse had no business in kenosha with a military style weapon. >> everybody that you shot at that night you intended to kill, correct?
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>> i didn't intend to kill them. i intended to stop the people who were attacking me. >> by killing them? >> i did what i had to do to stop the person who was attacking me. >> you should have -- >> reporter: with the jury out of the room the judge lashed out at the prosecutor over his line of questioning. >> i was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant's post arrest silence. that's basic law. it's been basic law in this country for 40 years, 50 years. don't get brazen with me. >> reporter: the judge also accusing him of improperly trying to introduce testimony that he had earlier prohibited. >> when the judge says i'm excluding this, you just take it upon yourself to put it in because you think that you found a way around it? come on! >> reporter: and the judge has not yet ruled on the defense's request for a mistrial. again, several more defense witnesses expected today, and we could see closing arguments early next week.
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mika? >> all right. thank you so much, nbc's gabe gutierrez, greatly appreciated. it's interesting. you're sitting there and you're watching this judge and he's screaming and he's yelling, he's, of course, seems to have one decision after another, one ruling after another, that favors kyle rittenhouse. in case were you wondering, and you see that judge who looks like he's playing to the cameras, which seem to be going around yesterday in that courtroom, judges in wisconsin are, in fact, elected. so the jury may have been out of the room, but this judge knew that voters and people across the country that actually would cheer for a guy to cross state lines, violate gun laws, run around with an ar-15 in the middle of riots and shoot people in the back, well, the judge is
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obviously playing to a crowd. i do want to say, though, charles coleman earlier in the first hour -- and this is important for people to remember -- charles, in the first hour, said even if everything had gone the state's way, gone the prosecutor's way, this was an extraordinarily hard case to make. and so we'll see exactly how it plays out. yesterday when the defendant started breaking down and crying, you actually had the prosecutor suggesting that perhaps he was doing this for the jury and wanted to show him in a picture where he had taken selfies and had other people take pictures of him where he was running around, you know, free as "f" and a t-shirt that said that, suggesting that
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perhaps, and here you're looking at kyle rittenhouse weeping and looking over at the jury -- just a quick glance over to the jury for whatever reason, perhaps to see if they were watching this display, but who knows. the judge didn't allow that in. didn't allow the free as blank t-shirt picture in to show this guy after killing people was going around in a t-shirt mockingly bragging about the fact that he's free. the judge also didn't allow him information that would go to this guy's character, the hot headedness of this guy's character where he picked a fight with a teenaged girl and punched her, beat her up. that was on video. the prosecution tried to get that in, again, to show this guy wasn't sort of a babe in the woods that just happened to strap an ar-15 on because he thought it was cool, his words,
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cross state lines and then shoot people. so, you know, a lot of questions about what's going on inside that courtroom but, again, i go back to charles. charles brilliant insight if this judge is playing it straight, and he doesn't seem to be playing it straight this would have been a heavy lift for the prosecution. >> the same federal judge to refused to block the release of documents from the trump administration to the select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol, has rejected the former president's latest attempt to prevent those records from being turned over. late last night u.s. district judge denied a request for an emergency injunction filed by trump's lawyers. a day after her initial ruling. writing, this court will not effectively ignore its own
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reasoning in denying injunctive relief to grant injunctive relief now. she added that there's still time to file an appeal, though trump's attorneys have yet to do so. the national archives plans to turn trump's white house records over to the select committee tomorrow. representatives for the former president did not immediately respond to a request for comment. willie? house republicans who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill now are facing fierce backlash. "the new york times" reports a number of the 13 republican house lawmakers have received threatening messages since the vote. one caller instructed congressman adam kinzinger of illinois to slit his wrists and rot in hell. another hoped they would slip and foul.
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"the times" writes this. the dynamic is a natural outgrowth of the slash and burn politics of former president donald j. trump who savaged those in his party who backed the infrastructure bill as rhinos, republicans in names only, who should be ashamed of themselves. others followed his lead in calling out their colleagues. we told but the georgia congresswoman who posted on her social media pages the phone numbers of the house members who voted for the bill. former adviser to donald trump, steve bannon, sent out the number of senators who backed the legislation. several congressional aides tell "the times" calls have come from citizens, conflating the piece of legislation. nbc news has obtained a call sent to congressman fred upton of michigan. we warn you, it is disturbing to listen to. >> [ bleep ] traitor, that's what you are. you're a [ bleep ] piece of --
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traitor. i hope you die. i hope everyone in your [ bleep ] family dies. >> joe, this is the culture, this is the climate that former president trump has helped to create, to seek out people seen as disloyal to him. now it's made its way to the leadership of the sitting republican party where kevin mccarthy told people if you sit on that house select committee looking to january 6 they will run you out of the place. loyalty is all that seems to matter. >> it's the culture. it's a cult. if you have somebody actually calling for the death of a member of congress because they voted on a bipartisan bill, mind you, a bipartisan bill for more bridges, for more roads, for safer airports, for safer drinking water, for more broad band, by the way, so much of this money going to red states,
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to red districts, that broad band piece will disproportionately help people in rural settings based on certainly what the program was laid out to do. we'll see how that ends up being implemented. but this is a bipartisan infrastructure bill. the sort of thing that would pass without people thinking twice 10, 20 years ago. and now there are death threats and calls for people being killed and their families being killed because they voted for a bipartisan bill. that tells you where we are. it tells you where donald trump has brought not just the republican party but the country. with us now, let's bring in the third-ranking democrat in the house, jim clyburn of south carolina and also democratic member of the armed services committee, marine combat veteran, congressman seth moulton of massachusetts. jim, it's always great talking to you, but i will tell you i
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loved following you during these negotiations. you would have one side setting their hair on fire saying the end is near. would you have somebody on the other side setting their hair on fire, you would say relax. let's just get together and figure out how to make this work. jim, it's almost like you've been doing this for a little while. >> thank you very much for having me, joe. i have been around for a long time. you reminded me of the eight decades i've been on earth. most of them, of course, i have spent here in government in south carolina. i worked for four governors, two republicans, two democrats, and i've always been able to sit down with both sides and find common ground and we did so in this instance. at 8:00 on friday morning i sat down with the moderates. at 9:00 i sat down with the
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congressional black caucus. and i gave basically the same message to both. it's time to find common ground and get this legislation done. i am pleased both sides did that and we have a great piece of legislation. thankfully 13 republicans voted for it. six democrats voted against it. so it's bipartisan on both sides of the issue. i think it will be a great bill. you mentioned broad band. $65 billion for broad band, over two-thirds of what's required for the entire country. the build back better bill because it will get us the rest of the way if we are going to have effective delivery of health care, we need broad band, education, broad band, just in
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time for businesses. these kinds of things require an investment in broad band. that by itself would make this bill worth it as far as i'm concerned. there's so much more here, roads, bridges, water, sewage, rail, you name it. it's in this bill and we are going to deliver for the american people that they've been clamoring for now for nearly a decade. >> representative clyburn, you've talked about this being a race against time to brand it for the american people. we have to get off our duffs, tell people we've done it. you're listing a lot of things, but how do you sell it? how do you make it tangibly understandable to the american people and so that it comes back to the very people who got it done who can take the credit? >> the first thing, thank you so much for the question, is to
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talk to people in language they understand and go to them in their environments. i think that we have to really -- i think joe said you put it down with the hopes -- i think you talk to people in their language. if we don't talk about broad band you have to remind them of covid-19 and those children who were locked out of school and could not keep up with their education because they didn't have internet connections. in build back better we are going to provide health care in those 12 states that did not expand medicaid. eight of them southern states. and we are going to do for them what states failed to do when they didn't expand medicaid.
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let people know exactly what's in this bill for them, what's there for their families and communities. i tend to speak like my dad used to speak, the father, the son and the holy ghost. >> amen. >> all three of them with us this morning, congressman. congressman moulton, let me ask you about the build back better bill and what you see inside of it and some of the debate inside your own party. it's not just people out in the country but your own caucus who say i'm looking at these inflation numbers up 6.2%, prices are getting away from us, hurting a lot of people in our districts. and we maybe don't need to push through $1.7 trillion of new money into this economy given all that we've already sent out the door. how do you balance that and what should and should not stay in this final version of the bill? >> this isn't just about new money. this is about long overdue investment. we should have fixed the broad
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band problem a decade ago. we're the only developed country in the world that doesn't have high-speed rail. and what i want to see is a sign next to every one of these projects, every road that gets repaired, every bridge that gets fixed, every new transit station that gets built that says this was paid for by build back better. this was paid for by the bipartisan infrastructure bill. when you go to fred upton's district, i want people to know that he voted for something that's making a difference in people's lives. that's what we need to do to show the american public this is not only necessary, it's long overdue. and i agree with mr. clyburn, our great majority whip, that we have to pass the next bill as well. let's make sure we're making the right investments. let's make sure we're investing in infrastructure for the future. we can't squander this generational opportunity by only investing in the last
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generation's infrastructure. let's do something our grandkids will be proud of. >> i will call you captain moulton on this veterans day. thank you for all you've given the country and happy birthday to the united states marine corps yesterday, 246 years old. you and congressman clyburn are helping to push through a restoration of the gi bill on this veterans day. what's inside there and what do we need to do better? >> it's an amazing story. the gi bill was called by many the most successful piece of legislation ever passed, returning $7 to the american taxpayer for every dollar we invested to take care of the veterans, the heroes of world war ii. i used the gi bill myself to go to school. i would not have been able to do that without those benefits. but then what if i told you that thousands and thousands of black veterans of world war ii only got 60% of the value of that
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bill? what if i told you that the wealth gap between black and white veterans increased once they realized these benefits? there were amazing americans denied the gratitude we promised them through the gi bill, and so coming from my own experience as a veteran, that's why i wrote this bill, that's why i was proud to reach out to the icon, jim clyburn, to be the first co-sponsor, and we found some great leads in the senate as well so we can get this passed and restore the benefits to black veterans they were denied. >> all right, jim clyburn and congressman seth moulton, thank you. i will tell you we on "morning joe" hope you get all the way there on broad band. our connections with people on our shows can be better. coming up, mika, what do we
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have? >> a look at some of the other stories making headlines including the new developments in the investigation of the astroworld disaster. >> this keeps getting worse, by the way. the same we're hearing from the "rust" set where we had the report last hour about, again, the lawsuit there. a lot to talk about. >> just how unprepared was security at this particular festival? "morning joe" is coming right back festival "morning joe" is coming right back i've lost count of how many asthma attacks i've had. but my nunormal with nucala? fewer asthma attacks. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth,
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>> reporter: for gabby, the friday night flashbacks are haunting. her screams caught on camera after the 17-year-old's knee popped when crowds knocked her down. her phone accidentally recording the moments she thought were her last. >> six or seven people were on top of me at one point. >> reporter: her friends pulling her to safety moments later. >> i thought we were going to lose her. >> reporter: the houston police chief responding to calls for an independent investigation defending his meeting with travis scott before the show. >> somebody's referring to a special relationship. if you call meeting him twice a special relationship, that's not a close relationship to me. >> reporter: as investigators pore over those critical minutes, a stunning admission from houston's fire chief when asked if his department had any communication with organizers during the show said -- >> no, on scene we did not have direct communication. >> reporter: firefighters not the only ones feeling cut off
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from the crisis. >> being in the crowd was a life threat. >> reporter: emt richardson shared how he fought through crowds to reach fans who passed out. his mission made even harder with blaring music drowning radio calls for backup. he tried to save critical patients. >> i had to tell all of them, i will try to come back for you but people are literally dead right now that i need to go help. >> morgan chesky with that report. a witness to the deadly shooting on the "rust" set is filing a lawsuit against alec baldwin and others. national correspondent miguel almaguer has details. she was my friend. >> reporter: breaking his silence and now filing a lawsuit claiming severe emotional distress, serge svetnoy, the lighting chief on the set of "rust" vividly recalls the moment alec baldwin accidentally
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and fatally shot his friend, cinematographer halyna hutchins. >> i still cannot believe that she's not here with us. >> reporter: svetnoy, who claims recreational shooting was happening before the deadly accident, names nearly two dozen parties in his lawsuit including armerer hannah gutierrez-reed who he says loaded the gun, assistant director halls who handed the weapon to baldwin, and the actor who is also a producer. >> any responsible actor knows you don't take a real gun, point it at a human being, pull the trigger, shoot a bullet, and they die, and the answer is, huh, i didn't know it was loaded. >> reporter: of baldwin, svetnoy claims he should have double developed the revolver with halls upon being handed it to ensure it did not contain live ammunition adding the scene did not call for baldwin to shoot
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and should have refrained pointing the gun at anyone. baldwin has said it was an accident. gutierrez-reed says she fears sabotage and she's being framed. halls has not released a statement. >> their conduct was despicable. that must be punished, that must be stopped. >> reporter: the first lawsuit has been filed. >> miguel almaguer reporting. coming up, the white house says the president's spending plan will cement the largest one-year reduction in child poverty in history. but homelessness and hunger remain a serious issue in america especially among children. our next guest has been focused on that for years. our conversation with pulitzer prize winner andrea elliott coming up on "morning joe."
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investigative reporter andrea elliott, author of the new book "invisible child: poverty, survival and hope in an american city. "and thank you so much for coming on the show. you know when you talk about these issues at this personal level, andrea, you really get a sense of the disparity out there and some of the people who especially because of the pandemic are literally hanging by a thread. tell us, first of all, overall, broadly about the book and how you came upon writing it. >> thank you so much for having me, mika. i started my journey nearly a decade ago as a reporter for "the new york times." i was standing outside a homeless shelter in brooklyn, and i was looking for my way into what was and remains a really big story which is the crisis of child poverty in america. i wanted to write about a kid because a public assigns blame to the poor for their hardships
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and it's always about personal responsibility but wherever you land it's hard to argue that the millions of kids growing up poor are responsible for their hardships or it's up to them to transcend that and the costs are so high. the day that i met dasani i will never forget. she was a typical new york city kid, just alert, curious, funny. she could be vulnerable. she was brimming with hope. even her name spoke to that, named after the bottle of water that came to brooklyn, a symbol of gentrification, a symbol of luxury for her family, something they couldn't afford. that was a life she was growing up around and it was right in front of her. that's one of the big kind of contrasts of the story is between the very wealthy city she's growing up in and the hardships she carried on her own
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shoulders, who lived in a homeless shelter in one room with nine family members. by the time that most kids in new york city are waking up and going to school she had been working for several hours to just help get her siblings fed and dressed and to school. she was someone who was on the honor roll when i met her, and at the same time such great struggles. as i entered into her life what i saw more than anything was revelation after revelation, surprise after surprise about what it means to be poor in america and really the high wire act of survival that these kids carry out every day. >> and so you describe such a beautiful, brimming, hopeful, visible child. why then was she invisible, and what were some of the choices she had to make in her life you
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decided you just had to profile her, you had to wrap your arms around her story? >> the title of the book comes from dasani herself. she was, like most kids, very aware of her surroundings and of how people saw or didn't see her. she did feel unseen from a very young age in the neighborhood she was growing up in when she was living in this city shelter just blocks away from townhouses selling for millions. so she wanted a way into that other life and she tried to get it by going to a boarding school in rural pennsylvania in a predominantly white town and what then happens to dasani, and participate of the reason i stayed in her life, i couldn't believe the developments that kept happening. she just showed so much hope and
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promise and at the same time kept getting knocked back by the things that happened to her including getting to school and in her absence her family falling apart and i was there the day that the children were taken from their parents and put in foster care. just curveball after curveball thrown at dasani at a time she was trying to make something of herself and move beyond the conditions of her parents, that defined her parents' lives. and i think that the hope is really in her family at the end of the day. that's where i think this story shows us great posterior is we often talk about poor families and they're treated as a problem, something to be monitored or policed or treated with punitive measures. and what you see with dasani's family, this was a family even if it seemed dysfunctional to you that was worth keeping together and that should have been the greatest investment. >> a dual question to close
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with, how is she doing now? how does her story and the many children like her who had all those shocking revelations that would pull them down in life, how does that play into the big picture? >> right now she is making it on her own terms, this is what i would say. her story challenges us to think about the word success in a new way. is success going into the middle class, getting a particular college degree from an esteemed profession or is it making it in your own neighborhood? she would argue that's the way to succeed. she shouldn't have to escape poverty, escape her brooklyn in order to transcend, so she's returned home, is living with several siblings. she is in community college. a major milestone.
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the important takeaway we celebrate the one kid who makes it out, and this is a narrative of escape, that we love the story of the kid who escapes and moves on without asking why so many other children just as capable never make it out and that forces us to reckon with the systemic issues, the barriers much greater than any one kid's potential. >> "invisible child: poverty, survival and hope in an american city. ""new york times" investigative reporter andrea elliott, thank you so much and thank you for writing this book. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."
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last king of america: the misunderstood reign of george iii." andrew, i want to get to this in a moment, but, first, i must say i saw your brilliant, scathing takedown of a churchill revisionist. and, of course, they come along every so often to claim churchill was, in fact, the most horrid creature of all time instead of a man who saved western civilization. but talk about that, talk about constant efforts to revise and wipe away the great things that winston churchill did not only for britain but for western civilization. >> thanks very much indeed, joe. yes, the latest book, as you say, it goes along with this revisionist concept of him being evil. we recently, this year,fact, had a conference at cambridge of all
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places which said winston churchill was as bad as hitler, every single one of the four people on the panel agreed with that remark which just shows quite how sort of insane, frankly, the entire conversation has gone, frankly. >> absolutely insane. i got to your napoleon book a little late. i found that to be an extraordinary work, and i must say we americans have a blind spot toward napoleon for some reason. don't understand his life and his legacy as well as we should. but that hold true, also, for the current subject that you've spent years diving into, and that is king george iii, perhaps our view of him was shaped unfairly by revolutionaries who wanted to paint him as a tyrant. talk about the real king george
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iii. >> well, it was perfectly understandable in the context of the war that he should have been -- his name should have been blackened in the way it was in the declaration was independence but actually the papers that her majesty, the queen, has allowed to be published now, over 100,000 pages of his correspondence and papers and archives and so on, show him, in fact, to be an intelligent, good natured person and certainly did not want the american war of independence to break out and the 28 charges made against george iii he was guilty of two of them. and the other 26 he was innocent of. >> you say he was a wise, humane
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and also, of course, disastrous luck. talk about that last portion of it, having to be the monarch to go toe to toe with the likes of george washington, thomas jefferson, thomas payne, and these brilliant leaders, generals and political scientists. >> that's right. america was ready for independence, 2.5 million population, a burgeoning economy, as many book shops as anywhere in london. it was a state and you had no outside threat from the french after the treaty of paris in 1763 and so it was tremendously unfortunate for george iii that he was up against this galaxy of talents you mentioned, and you
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could go on with many more of the founding fathers. the way in which he's portrayed morally a tyrant and despot is unfair. any number of european rulers and so on. george iii didn't do the things anyone would expect a tyrant to do. he didn't send troops to towns. he didn't do those things that a tyrant did. it was very much a wartime propaganda, a beautifully written, gorgeous shakespearean piece for the first third of it. only two of them hold water. >> it's jonathan lemire.
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congrats on the book. his rule in other challenges which stretched around the globe. >> he was a constitutional monarch. he wanted to have a bipartisan attitude to politics. he didn't just want the wigs and was tremendously cultured in so many areas. when it came to the greatest crisis of his life which was the american revolution, it was a catastrophe. nothing to do with the revolution.
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and now that we've destigmatized, he should no longer be blamed for it and held morally responsible for manic depression. >> to say the declaration of independence wartime propaganda, they had a case to make. you say the document was exceptional and unlike anything we'd ever seen. when it's pro-american, how do you mean it? >> throughout history people who have revolted against tierney, against depression. the dutch against the spanish, the italians against the austrians, you name it. it's happened again and again.
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you demanded your independence and even though you were not being tyrantyrannized. taxes were low. regulations were virtually nonexistent. there was no big bureaucracy. you demanded independence and got it. >> finally, andrew, what was, again, aside from the war, what was king georgive ii's lasting leg sieve with the monarchy itself? >> oh, it's huge in this country -- in england. much more than queen victoria always given the idea of being the great monarchy.
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has the enclosure at ascot and be buried at windsor, invented the walk-about and so on. he was frugal. represents many of those attributes today. i think that's because of george iii rather than his granddaughter queen victoria. >> all right. the new book is "the last king of america: the misunderstood reign of george iii." andrew roberts, thank you so much, as always, for being with us. we love when you're here and good luck. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage after a quick final break. thanks so much for being with us on this veterans day. as someone who resembles someone else, i appreciate that liberty mutual
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