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doses to children ages 5 to 11 just one week ago on november 3rd and more than 900,000 children have now received their first shot. white house covid-19 coordinator jeff zients gets tonight's last word. he is not going to get it because we had a piece of video for him that we do not have time for because you know it is time now for "the 11th hour with brian williams." that starts right now. ♪♪ well, good evening once again. day 295 of the biden administration and the breaking news on our watch tonight is that a federal judge has denied this latest request from trump to keep those documents and records of january 6th away from the committee investigating january 6th. those records that trump doesn't want seen are with the national archives, but they could be just days away from being turned over to the committee. >> we hope that these can start to be transmitted on friday.
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the national archives has indicated that they have the material ready, ready to transmit, and they are following the president's request to turn those over to the january 6th committee. president biden is the president that gets to decide what is privileged, and so he has indicated that the national archives should cooperate. so our expectation is that on friday we can get this documentation and start to go through it. >> indeed. as we've been covering here, over the past few days that house committee appears to be widening its reach, issuing subpoenas to some of trump's closest allies and advisors. meanwhile, ten months now after that capitol sacking the first sentence for assaulting a police officer has been handed down. scott fairlamb of new jersey received 41 months in prison. that's the longest sentence yet in the case of 1/6. fairlamb was captured on video pushing an officer outside the capitol, punching that officer's
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face shield as well as entering the complexity self. fairlamb pleaded guilty in august to assault and to obstructing an official proceeding. today after the sentencing, fairlamb's lawyer said he was ready and willing to talk to the january 6th committee. >> he'd still be happy to do that. he wants to be part of the solution, not just the problem. they believe that he has information that could help them get a better understanding as to what some of the people were thinking and what led them to those actions of that day. he can't speculate but he can certainly discuss his thought process, what led to that thought process and what led to his actions on that day. >> the so-called qanon shaw man, shirtless chewbacca otherwise known as jacob chansley, is also set to be sentenced. he is pleading guilty to obstructing a proceeding of congress. prosecutors have asked for the maximum penalty, that would be
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51 months in prison for him. this comes as homeland security has warned us again, issuing its latest intelligence bulletin about foreign and domestic threats. it includes a warning about domestic extremists who, quote, promote violence and have called for violence against elected officials, political representatives, government facilities and law enforcement. meanwhile, a group of house democrats moving to introduce a resolution to censure arizona republican congressman paul gosar for posting that edited animated video showing him killing aoc and attacking the president. at the white house the focus is on the latest threat to the economic recovery. here is something every american knows. inflation hit a three decade high last month. prices increased in october by 6.2% from a year ago. that is simply unsustainable. today president biden toured the port of baltimore where he promoted his bipartisan infrastructure bill, which he will sign on monday.
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he also made a case that the legislation could eventually help reduce inflation and fix the supply chain problems. >> many people remain unsettled about the economy and we all know why. they see higher prices. they go to the store, online, or they can't -- they go to the store or online and they can't find what they always want and when they want it, and we're tracking these issues, trying to figure out how to attack them head on. this bill is going to reduce the cost of goods to consumers, businesses, and get people back to work. >> it is a big problem for this white house. we'll talk about it here tonight. the president also talked up his social spending plan, which democrats on the hill hope to pass next week. hope is the operative word because of senator joe manchin whose support is key to the passage of that bill. well, i hope you are sitting down. he has cited rising inflation as a reason to hold off on some aspects of the president's domestic agenda. today i sent this out.
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by all accounts the threat posed by record inflation to the american people is not transitory and is instead getting worse. from the grocery store to the gas pump, americans know the inflation tax is real and d.c. can no longer ignore the economic pain americans feel every day. and there's promising news tonight about the pace of vaccinations for our children ages 5 to 11. the white house says nearly a million american kids have already received their shots. we'll have much more on that topic later in the hour. and this comes, by the way, as a federal judge in texas ruled governor abbott's order that bans school mask mandates, well, it violates federal law. it sets the stage for school districts to decide whether they really want to impose mask rules across the country. and with that let's brings in our starting line on this wednesday night. three friends of our, yamiche
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alcindor. susan page, veteran journalist, long-time washington bureau chief for "usa today." former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. notably co-host of the podcast sisters in law" along with our friends kimberly atkins store, jill banks and barbara mcquade. counsellor, indeed, joyce, i have to start with you. the stay has been denied. the same judge who ruled so forcefully that donald trump had no standing to keep these documents away from the committee, she went as far in her ruling as to say presidents are not kings. the way the federal system works, you have to go to that same judge who just ruled and ask for a stay, and then it gets bumped up the line. long story short, question, what's the real chance we're going to see these documents handed over to the committee in a matter of days? >> you know, it is hard to
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assess. there is some reason to believe that when the court of appeals gets to take a look at this, either tonight or tomorrow morning, they may slow it down a little bit and put some sort of temporary stay in place while they evaluate the case. of course, it will likely go from that court up to the supreme court for them to either say that they'll take a look at it or to take a pass. but the wonderful thing about the order that was written by this district judge, judge chutkan in the district of columbia, is it is remarkably clear and it is very precise. she takes the standard that a moving party like the former president has to meet in order to be entitled to get the relief he seeks getting an injunction against release of these papers, and she proceeds to make, i'll use a technical legal term, she proceeds to make mincemeat of the former president as arguments. there's simply nothing left. so when she reaches the point where she writes this beautiful line about the fact that the
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presidency doesn't go on forever and a former president doesn't have the right to be a king, there is just no legal argument left for trump to stand on. the circuit court could easily look at her order and just stamp it affirmed and permit release of the document. >> interesting. we'll be watching for that. yamiche, i'm curious as to your reporting on the increasing pace. while democrats want consequences most of all, the increasing pace, and i would argue added aggressiveness of this 1/6 committee, in addition to folks being warned never to underestimate bennie thompson, what else are you reading in to this latest tranche of subpoenas? >> well, it is absolutely picking up pace. the house select committee investigating the capitol attack has doubled the number of subpoenas that it has issued just in the last two days. they're up to at least 35 subpoenas now, and you see them targeting not only individuals that were sort of in the white
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house with president trump on january 6th, those who could tell us sort of what the president was saying, what he was doing, what the white house response was to january 6th, you see them targeting campaign officials in the campaign manager for the trump 2020 reelection campaign. you see them going after sort of spokes people who worked for president trump, former president trump after he left office in jason miller. so really it is the committee saying we are very, very serious about this. also, i think it is interesting that these individuals now have to make a decision about whether or not they want to go the steve bannon route, which is deny, refuse and possibly then be held in contempt of congress, or are they going to try to engage somehow with the committee, which is what we've heard someone like mark meadows is doing, who is the former chief of staff to president trump when he was in office. so i think it will be very interesting to see what these individuals do, but it really just tells us this is a committee that is not going to be swayed, that will not be moved by anything. i think you rightly point out that friday is going to be a big
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day. of course, a judge could stop the national archives from putting out those documents, but if friday comes and those documents are put out that is also sort of a new treasure trophy of information to go after more people for this committee. >> yeah, it is going to be hard to disagree with that evidence, that's for sure. susan, given your long-term perch at america's newspaper, i'm wondering what you think americans will care most about in 2021, the 1/6 committee results, the investigation, or perhaps what they're paying at the gas pump? i will add a third, aaron rodgers' vaccination status. >> well, that's a hard choice, but i would say americans traditionally worry most about what affects them at home at their kitchen table. so the price of gas, the price of groceries, those are likely to be the most compelling issues when they're voting. those are the issues that are now dragging down president biden to the lowest approval ratings of his presidency. there is a sense among some americans that the white house
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is not focused on the issues that matter most to them. that is things like inflation. and that there is this disconnect between what the white house is trying to do and what they want to see happen in their own minds. this is a big -- this is beige challenge for president biden. he wants us to think of him an an fdr figure, but if inflation is a big concern and americans feel like he is just not addressing what worries them, he will look more like jimmy carter. >> yamiche, let me bounce right back to you before i go over to joyce. this is so important. do they not get this, have they not seen the price on top of every pump in this country? we talk about the supply chain, we talk about the importance of the trucking industry and the shortage of truck drivers, but what they're paying for diesel, what we're paying for gasoline, that's just one component. inflation has been known to crush past presidents. >> that's right.
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well, when i talked to white house officials i do sense this sort of growing sense of urgency and the president has said he is trying to direct and has directed the national economic council as well as the federal trade commission to do what they can to deal with inflation. president biden, he ran on being a president for everyone, understanding working class issues. he often talks about his sort of working class upbringing in pennsylvania and in delaware, so it is a president that has to understand just because of his background that people are very much worried that the turkey they're about to put on the table in a couple of weeks, that it is going to cost more than it would have cost even if they decided to put hotdogs on the table if they can't afford a turkey this year. when you see the price on everything going up, the president in some way has to understand that is directly tied to the sort of people's feelings about this administration. i will say there are some critics who pointed out, some critics have said that the white house they feel is too focused on long-term goals, the build back better act and what it could do in a couple of years than the thrm problems.
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i put that question to the director of the economic council and he said the biden administration is trying to think about this and trying to figure out ways to deal with the inflation issue. >> joyce vance, back to you. a piece you wrote that i read is the gist of it is that this bannon ruling at doj is taking a long time, longer than we want it to as the headline said. that's a good thing, and that's the line that caught my attention, made me read the piece. bring our viewers in to your reasoning. >> well, it is a good thing. we know the last time congress made a referral like this to doj it took doj just a couple of days more than a week to act. they went ahead and they indicted rita lavelle, the former administrator at the epa and lost that case at trial. a result like that would be devastating here. so i'm not discouraged by the fact that this is taking a few weeks. ultimately doj in my judgment
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will have to indict this case. there is not another good remedy around that permits congressional subpoenas to retain any teeth, and if doj does not ultimately choose to act then the committee will be ham strung at every turn by witnesses who choose not to comply with their subpoenas. but giving doj a little bit of grace here so they can compile the evidence and work through the legal issues ultimately will lead to a stronger case in what is going to be a very difficult prosecution. it might look simple on the surface, but there are some complicated legal issues and bannon is certainly not going to go without a full-fledged fight. so good on doj for taking its time here. >> joyce, a question that calls upon your legal judgment and just what we have all watched these past five years. i see increasing numbers of democrats who want to see consequences, whether it is the fact that it has been ten months since we saw that disgusting
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display at our capitol, the fact that there's a republican congressman from arizona posting a video that features the animated death of one of his congressional colleagues and his own siblings are on television saying he is unfit to hold that office. as you look at the world, given your legal background, do you see areas where consequences are lacking, where the possible is not being reached for? >> trump lowered the standards so thoroughly on so many fronts that our democratic institutions are strained. i think in many cases really to the breaking point. the issue here is whether or not the american people can regain their confidence and their trust in those institutions. that's a tough path forward because the american people don't have one unified view of who we are and where we are going and what those institutions should look like. but simply restoring them to
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traditional democratic values is a heavy lift, and it is one of the primary jobs for in administration, whether it is something we talk about a lot or not. ultimately, the gorilla in the room here, and it may not even be the gorilla in the room, we just live with it every day, is will doj hold the people who were the most responsible for the insurrection accountable. doj has done a phenomenal job of working through the low level and mid level cases, but we've seen nothing from the people who were there on the elipse, who were involved in promoting the big lie. they may be criminally liable, they may not be, but doj needs to find a way to communicate with americans with what will be radical transparency for an agency that's not used to being very transparent to tell us what they're doing, what their decisionmaking process is and, most importantly, why americans can still trust the institutions of our government. >> i'm so glad i asked. people who only saw the trump
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administration would be forgiven for assuming that the attorney general was the president's personal lawyer. that is never supposed to be and is no longer the case. our thanks to our starting line tonight. yamiche alcindor, susan page, joyce vance. as always, we appreciate the three of you so much. coming up for us, the republicans who voted for infrastructure in their home districts are under attack by the former president of the united states who happens to run their party. how dire they vote for roads and bridges for the folks back home? later, one of our top doctors is here with us tonight to tell us what we need to know about this increase of covid cases in some areas, from the rockies to new england after weeks of decline. yes, the news is at times still withering. all of it, however, beneath the washington monument as the 11th hour is just getting under way on this wednesday night.
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♪♪ at this moment when it matters most we are also confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before. former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic, aided by political leaders who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man. >> so she is talking there about donald trump, who is the head of her political party, like it or not, and who is now leading the
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charge against those 13 house republicans who have the temerity to vote for president biden's infrastructure bill to bring stuff back to their districts. from "the new york times" we quote, the vicious reaction to the passage of the bill, which was negotiated by a group of republicans and democrats determined to deliver on a bipartisan priority, reflects how deeply polarization has seeped into the political discourse within the republican party, making even the most uncontroversial legislation a potentially toxic vote. thankfully for us, back with us tonight among the first friends of this broadcast, affectionately known around here as long haulers, eugene robinson, columnist for "the washington post" and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national, former lieutenant governor of maryland, host of the aptly named "michael steele podcast." brate to see you both. michael, it turns out the democrats aren't the only
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divided party. how are the republicans going to sort this out? imagine it, you vote to bring infrastructure money and jobs, good jobs back to your district. you get attacked viciously and ostracized by the former president who somehow still runs your party. how does this work? >> well, brian, the kicker is that what these 13 voted for was less than what trump wanted to spend for his infamous infrastructure weeks. so i don't know what they were voting against. i don't think anyone in their districts fully understand what they were voting against other than the fact that it has joe biden on it rather than donald trump. if that's the basis on which the party continues to operate they will become even less relevant than they are going forward. the biden administration has turned a corner. now, it will be up to democrats working with the administration to maximize that opportunity. meanwhile, the republicans are
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going to have to figure out how do they go back and not sell something everyone in their district when they see the shovel-ready projects going on, they go, well, no, no, that's not a good road project, that bridge shouldn't be repaired. no, no, no. people are going to look at them crazier than they already do. so i don't know what they think the upside is here. i mean i really wish someone would put a microphone in front of one of these individuals and ask them, so, how will you not sell this good thing to your community and what will you say to them when they say, i'm glad we got these resources because now my husband's gone back to work on the construction -- for the construction company which he was furloughed from. i'm glad this is money coming back into our community because we can make improvements to the community center. i mean what -- how do you answer that? that's the problem republicans
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find themselves when they follow someone who is leaderless. >> eugene, it is a little dicey and on the other side of it have you heard much criticism for members of the squad, who in kind of a protest "no" vote, voted no on infrastructure. i have been to aoc's district in new york city. it is an urban new york city congressional district. you walk around and it occurs to you, you notice what this place could use? some infrastructure. so how does she explain that to the folks back home in her district, even though she's not under attack by her party like the other side of the aisle? >> you know, i think she will figure that out. listen, you asked if i heard a lot of criticism of them, and, in fact, i have not because, you know, the bill did pass. it got through, and so i mean we'll see. i suspect that she will say it is a good thing and she will
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applaud it and say, i just wanted the build back better bill to pass before this passed, and that's the only reason i voted against it. of course, i support it and of course i support all of the projects. i think it is an easier -- not as heavy a lift for her to get on the right side of this issue as it will be for the likes of kevin mccarthy and others who voted against bringing home the bacon in the form of steel and concrete for their constituents. that is to be a really stupid thing to do for a member of congress. i think it still is a really stupid thing to do for a member of congress. >> it was unheard of back in the day, along with so many other things. michael, i got like 45 seconds. is there any middle ground in the house? you talk to a lot of people. does anyone like meet in a parking garage, democrat and republican, maybe moderates to
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work together? is there a flag in a flower pot signal when they're going to meet to talk? does any of that happen anymore? >> they put the key underneath the mat outside of a remote hotel in, you know, some dark part of d.c. no, there's no incentive created by the leadership to go across the aisle and get some things done. so members do find ways to craft, you know, a relationship around some legislation, the stuff that you're not seeing or hearing about, brian, every day. but on the big things that matter for helping the country move forward on covid and the economy, no, that incentive is not in place right now, and it is a very tough spot in washington to be if you are a member who wants to get some good stuff done. >> eugene is just happy because i worked in an oblique "washington post" reference. eugene and michael have vowed to remain in place.
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coming up for us, joe biden says he intends to get prices down. he intends to get store shelves stocked and more people back to work. but are citizens, also known as voters, hearing him? (tiger) this is the dimension of imagination. ♪ ♪
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♪♪ the bill we passed last week and the steps we're taking to reduce bottlenecks at home and abroad, we're set to make
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significant progress. we're already in the midst of historic economic recovery, and thanks to those steps we're taking very soon we are going to see the supply chain start catching up with demand. so not only will we see more record-breaking job growth, we will see lower prices, faster deliveries as well. >> so that's the president on the road, baltimore, this afternoon promoting his plan but some democrats worry the white house is not doing enough of a sales and messaging campaign for what they consider a victory for all americans that the white house is hiding under a bushel. still with us, eugene robinson and michael steele. eugene, that right there is messaging to which sean patrick maloney, democrat of new york, held of the dccc, says yes, that and now 24 more stops in half the states in the union, keep going, tell people what we're doing for them, how their lives are going to be improved. speaking of messaging, i want to show you this. we've edited a clip of a
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trump -- i'm sorry, a lincoln project ad about infrastructure that might just mention the former president. >> for four years donald trump promised us infrastructure week. >> $1 trillion in infrastructure investment. >> world class infrastructure. >> infrastructure week. >> it is infrastructure. >> we call it infrastructure week. >> the so-called builder said only he could deliver on new roads, bridges and airports. >> i alone can fix it. >> but who got the job done? >> finally, infrastructure week. >> joe biden. >> so, eugene, here is the question. have outfits like the lincoln project, which are made up of lapsed republicans, have they become the video production wing for the democrats who according to one of the founders of the lincoln project bring a copy of proofs to a gun fight?
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>> you know they do actually. they also bring a briefing book to a culture war, but maybe that's a discussion for another segment. look, absolutely the president needs to -- if i were advising the white house i would tell him to do what he did in baltimore everywhere. you know, do two or three of these a week all around the country and point to the project, go to the site, point to the project and say, this is going to happen and it is going to be -- this is what it is going to mean for this community and for you and for jobs and for development, for everything else. he needs to do that. the other thing, if i were advising the white house, i would say to -- that they need to right now act urgently and be seen to act urgently on gas prices. i know that tanks in the supply chain and everything, they can't solve all of that immediately.
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gas prices are so visible. they affect everybody and i think the frustration, the white house is working on it but it is not being seen to work on it. it is not being seen to have an effect. you know, if you need to release something from the strategic petroleum reserve, do that. work out an international agreement to do that. bring all of the oil executives in to the white house tomorrow and say, look, what do we need to get these prices down. but i think that's an important thing, and i think that in and of itself would do wonders for the president's approval rating. >> yeah, i feel a column coming on, michael. perhaps you too. so, michael, the speaker says they're going to vote next week on the second bill. can you say joe manchin, is he tuning up his maserati to roll right over that document?
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[ laughter ] >> he's going to roll -- >> the speedboat, the speedboat, brian. it is the speedboat. >> the motor yacht. >> he's going to roll over that bad boy, back up, roll over it again, back up. look, i mean, yeah, it is going to be -- it is going to have a long, treacherous road ahead of it, but, look, they're going to do what they need to do in the house of that's going to be the first big important step. whether or not that translates into affirmative action, if you will, in the senate, we'll see. but they've got i think for a lot of the progressives, a, they want to have the bargain that they made honored, that there will be a vote, and, b, i think that you will probably find there is movement there for that bill to pass. the problem and the challenge will still remain the senate,
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but first steps are first steps. i think nancy is going to honor that commitment that she made to the progressive wing of her party, her caucus, and you will see it get done next week. then the real work will be on manchin and sinema to come around. the problem remains it is a lot of money, even though -- and this could be a little bit of a leverage -- the american public has warmed up to the idea of what is in this bill. i think they are kind of looking at what they're getting on the hard infrastructure and saying, yeah, we could use a little help on the soft infrastructure as well. the problem goes to what gene just mentioned, prices, cost, and with gas prices going up it is just a reminder that the economy may be a little less stable and, therefore, the question of spending that much more money could be problematic. >> yeah, it is rough out there. these are two nice guys, ladies and gentlemen. two non-covid related long
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haulers around here, eugene robinson and michael steele. always a pleasure. we will do it again. coming up for us after this break, a segment that is so very 2021, sadly. the good news, nearly a million kids have rolled up their sleeves. the bad news, over 1,000 souls are still dying of covid in our country every day. dr. vin gupta is standing by when we come back. by when we come back. (man 1) oh, this looks like we're in a screen saver. (man 2) yeah, but we need to go higher. (man 1) higher. (man 2) definitely higher.
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of community spread in our country is still too high. from "the washington post", quote, 24 states have seen at least a 5% increase in cases over the past two weeks, led by new hampshire with a 63% increase, vermont with 50%, new mexico, 48%, minnesota with 42%, nebraska with 37%. it is a lot to ask, dr. vin gupta, critical care pulmonologist in seattle who has advised us on public health throughout this pandemic. i wish he taught speech. he is on faculty at the university of washington, institute for health metrics and evaluation. doctor, i know it must seem to our viewing audience like we are always talking scary stuff and we don't emphasize the good news when we get it, but from the stories we are hearing from colorado to vermont where they did such a good job at mitigation at the height of this thing, it is scary to listen to
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these spikes. >> good evening, brian. so good to see you. it is, and you take colorado, for example, i was just with colleagues in colorado last week. unfortunately, they're fully vaccinated rate is 66%, brian. what we know now in the delta variant is that even if 20% of your population, adult population is unvaccinated, that's enough to cause hospitals to gets overloaded. so we have minimal room for error. to your point, we are not through this pandemic. for all of your viewers out there, we are still very much in the midst of this continued delta surge, likely through tend of q1 2022. that's when i think we can put it behind us. we are still looking at 10,000 weekly deaths week over week, well into the winter time, brian. that's just the reality of it. >> you mentioned your travels to colorado. tell me about your travels down to oregon to talk to workers about the vaccine. what was that about? >> you know, i was invited by
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warehouse workers, farm workers and their employers that are facing a big decision, as you know, brian. do they mandate the vaccine? do they do weekly testing? because deadlines are motivating, they said, let's talk about it. so i was invited. i had the privilege to talk to different organizations, i was down there earlier this morning. we had a great conversation. there was engagement among this group that previously i had not seen. really probing questions. pregnant women, for example, asking questions that they previously didn't have an opportunity to ask, at least according to them. other questions about what does national immunity mean. now we have answers. while we know it gives you some protection, now we have data that vaccination pro tents you five to ten times more robustly from hospitalization. we can cite actual data and have concrete discussions and it is reassuring to people. >> is it axiomatic that the
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percentage of the kids we with get the vaccine this is only as good as the percentage of parents who believe in it? >> that's absolutely the case. we were training our air force reservist unit this weekend and a lot of my fellow members have kids, and they were saying, you know what, hey, doc, we finally got over the hurdle, we vaccinated ourselves, but it is a different discussion when we are talking about kiddos. that's where it is going to be really important to dive deep in the data, brian, in an accessible way. to your point, speech matters. the pfizer vaccine, the data we have incredibly reassuring. a third of the adult dose. know issues with myocarditis that i know is top of mind for a lot of parents. extremely safe at keeping kiddos from testing positive. these are the types of discussions we need to have in accessible ways. i think parents are reachable but it will be a tougher bar to climb. >> i don't mention it often enough to our viewers that in the doctor's spare time he
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serves the country in the air force reserve and is no stranger to the interior of a c-17. dr. vin gupta has been our guest again tonight. doctor, thank you. we appreciate it. coming up, kyle rittenhouse. this young man takes the stand to defend himself against homicide charges, and today it got dramatic. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ oh, there you are. you know cath, with chase freedom unlimited we can cashback on all our holiday shopping. earn 3% at drugstores!
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kyle rittenhouse took the stand in his own defense today in kenosha, wisconsin. he is a young man who brought an ar-15 to a racial justice protest last year, as one does apparently. he's on trial for killing two people and injuring a third. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez has our report from wisconsin tonight. >> the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? >> yes. >> reporter: as he described for the jury the tense moments before he opened fire, kyle rittenhouse broke down. >> there were three people right there. >> take a deep breath, kyle. >> then when i -- >> reporter: the judge calling a short break, some jurors appearing sympathetic as they walked out. rittenhouse's mother within earshot sobbing. it was a dramatic seventh day of
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testimony in the trial where the now 18 year old faces six charges including intentional homicide after shooting and killing two men and wounding another during last year's protests in kenosha, wisconsin, following the police shooting of jacob blake. >> i didn't do anything wrong. i defended myself. >> reporter: rittenhouse speaking publicly at length for the first time described how he had come to kenosha to provide medical aid and protect property from rioters and how the first man he shot, joseph rosenbaum, chased him. >> i didn't notice mr. rosenbaum until he came out from behind the car and ambushed me. >> reporter: he says rosenbaum had threatened him earlier at least twice, yelling. >> if i catch any of you [ bleep ] alone i'm going to [ bleep ] kill you. >> reporter: the prosecution began an aggressive prosecution. >> everybody you shot at that night you intended to kill, correct? >> i didn't intend to kill them. i intended to stop the people who were attacking me. >> you made an intentional decision in the middle of that
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incident to turn and point the gun at mr. rosenbaum, correct? >> yes. >> reporter: but with the jury out of the room, the judge suddenly raised his voice. >> don't get brazen with me! >> reporter: admonishing the prosecutor, accusing him of improperly trying to introduce testimony that the judge had earlier prohibited. >> you're an experienced trial attorney and you're telling me that when the judge says, i'm excluding this, you just take it upon yourself to put it in because you think that you found a way around it? come on. >> reporter: after those tense exchanges, the defense is now asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning that if the request were granted risen house could not be retried. the judge has not ruled yet. >> our thanks to gabe gutierrez for that report from wisconsin tonight. another break for us, and coming up our first-of-its-kind history quiz where you get to play along at home. people with moderate to severe psoriasis,
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tonight and here it is. i'm going to read you a quote, the words from a member of congress from the deep south. as i read it, here is the question. is it from 1861 or 2021? here is the quote. to all you oppressors. you have drawn a line in the sand. be prepared to defend your position. because some of us are free americans and we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees. freedom is what's at stake and some of us are prepared to carry that fight with every drop of our blood. so, powerful words there. were they spoken in 1861 or 2021? here is your answer. >> ladies and gentlemen, the oppressors' intent is for you to comply with their mandates and commands. and they don't expect you to comply with their commands until the end of covid. they expect you to comply with their commands until the end of
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time. let me be very clear to all of you oppressors. you have drawn a line in the sand. be prepared to defend your position because some of us are free americans and we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees. if you want to get a vaccine, get it. if you don't, don't. that's called freedom. freedom is what's at stake, and some of us are prepared to carry that fight with every drop of our blood. on january 3rd, 2023, republicans will be sworn into the majority in this house behind us here, the hallowed halls of congress shall once again be under the control of republican conservatives. >> that rooting, tooting fellow
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in the snazzy black hat is clay higgins, an actual member of congress from louisiana. all of that talk about blood and dying and defend your position, that reminded us that just today homeland security warned that members of congress, along with educators and health care workers, are under increased threat from domestic extremists who have been whipped up after being fed a steady diet of lies. so in a country with 400 million guns give or take, now would be a good time to start paying attention. that's our broadcast for this wednesday night, with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night.
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it was sort of an intense news day. i think it was intense in part because so much of what has been driving the news nationwide, our various cases unfolding in courtrooms around the country. the trial, in georgia, of the three men accused of killing an african american jogger in their neighborhood. running him down in their trucks and shooting him to death. in january of last year. with the trial in wisconsin, of the man accused of killing two people and shooting a new wounding up third. during protests, we in kos

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