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tried to claim the demand was overbroad and unrelated to the public interest. the judge shot that down, as well. this ruling coming down just this hour. we will have more ahead undoubtedly, "way too early" is up next. ♪♪ new overnight, a federal judge rejects former president trump's request for block the national archives from releasing documents to the house committee investigating january 6th. the question is where does the legal fight go from here? plus, tensions are on the rise among gop lawmakers over the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the 13 house republicans who voted in favor of the legislation are facing increasing criticism from members of their own party. the question is, will they be stripped of their committee assignments? and green bay quarterback aaron rodgers admits he mislead
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people about his covid vaccine steps. after a hefty fine by the nfl, the question is, will he be cleared to play on sunday? it's "way too early" for this. good morning. and welcome to "way too early," the show that joins you live from washington this morning. i'm jonathan lemire on this wednesday, november 10th. let's start with the news. a district court judge is rejecting former president donald trump's request to block the release to the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol insurrection. in denying a preliminary injunction the judge said this the public interest lies in permitting not enjoying, the will of the legislative and executive branchs to study the events that led and occurred on january 6th. she noted that president biden had waived executive privilege, adding the plaintiff does not acknowledge the deference owed to the incumbent president's just. adding presidents are not kings
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and plaintiff is not president. bennie thompson issued a statement that reads in part, this decision affirms the importance of the select committee's work to get answers for the american people, recommend change to the law to strengthening our democracy and making sure something like january 6th never happens again. the national archives plans to turn the documents over to the committee by friday, barring an order from the appellate court. meanwhile, the house select committee investigating the insurrection has sent out another fresh hound of subpoenas. ten more former administration officials including some of president trump's closest advisers who were in the white house the day of the riot at the capitol, have been asked to provide testimony and documents to the committee. former white house secretary kayleigh mcenany. steven miller, former white house personnel director john mcentee, and personal assistant
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are among those to testify. the house committee is apparently attempting to strip committee assignments for those who voted for the infrastructure bill. punchbowl reports that many republicans were angry. the victory for president biden could be a vital campaign tool during next year's midterms. one lawmaker that they're targeting, congressman john peck of new york. it's not the first time he upset rank and file republicans. he also voted to impeach former president trump and support a criminal contempt referral for steve bannon. and he was also the gop lawmaker who originally agreed to the bipartisan january 6th committee and denied. several criticized those who voted for the infrastructure package.
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congresswoman tweeted their names and phone numbers and congressman upton tweeted as a catalyst. >> i have a colleague that put out the phone numbers of 13 of us who voted that way. glad to defend that vote. we've been working since last spring. i'm concerned about my staff. they're taking these calls. these are very disturbing adult language to say the least that truly is frightening. >> joining us now, co-founder of punchbowl news and friend of the show, jake sherman. he's also an msnbc contributor. jake, thank you for being here. let's start with that, with punchbowl's reporting about the backlash for the republicans who voted for the infrastructure bill. what could be the consequences? how serious is the movement by the republican colleagues? it's one thing to tweet out names and phone numbers. it's another to go after committee assignments and chairmanships, what's the
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latest. >> well, jon, the question is what is the leadership going to do. the leadership controls a lot of this. they could put down the rebellion of this nature and allow it to fester. it's all up to kevin mccarthy, just knowing kevin mccarthy like i do, i imagine he will put it down he's close with fred upton. he's somebody that consistently has run for public office, even though he hasn't won at times. even though he's been in congress a long time, he's been persuaded to run at times to run for congress again. so, i have to imagine that hopefully, the leadership hopes the tensions will cool over the next couple of days. someone described to me as very emotional at the moment. but there are ways internally for republicans to both put off this vote and hold it as as soon as they want. so, we'll have to see how it winds up. i have to imagine that many of
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these people will back off, at least as the leadership hopes. >> we just went over the setback for former president trump agency the judge denied his requests not to withhold his documents from the january 6th committee. what do we know about the documents, just how significant they are for the ongoing investigation? of course, as you know, jake, it's a bit of a time crunch. if republicans can't control the house next year, this likely all goes away. >> yeah, a few thoughts, jon. number one, documents are always good. you don't have to rely on humans. right now, the committee is relying on human beings, i would say without getting too philosophical are fallible and are not always honest. so, if you have documents to back this up, or to add to the narrative, to provide narrative, outside of human, of course,
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these are significant documents, like most politicians, the white house kept a lot of writing out of text. so, you have to imagine that it's going to be a combination of both. both people testifying and people getting data from these documents. now, if this gets caught up in a court fight there's a lot of concern, i think on the committee and around congress that this will go into next year and get closer to the election. and you can kind of reach this crescendo when it becomes election season, after republicans, if republicans win the house, and then this all goes away. that's both the substantive and political concern. >> jake, i have yet to see evidence that you yourself are fallible. >> i'm not. >> very good. also, let's talk about the subpoenas that the house committee issued yesterday. you know, it's another who's who in trump world there at the end. what's your sense of early on whether the former trump aides will cooperate? and how much larger of a net will the committee be to have
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it? >> well, these are people very close to the president. and very close to mark meadows to say the least. ben williamson is his longtime communications director. he was with him in the house, kaley mcennenny. stephen miller very close to president trump. i have to imagine these people will not cooperate. i know there was an effort to get people to cooperate. not these people, but lots of people to cooperate without a subpoena. in some cases it was not successful, and in some cases it was successful. i have to imagine, generally speaking, it's going to be a challenge to get a lot of these people, these trump loyalists to cooperate in a meaningful way especially with the executive privilege claims in court. >> i think that's a fair assessment. jake sherman of punchbowl news. thank you, my friend. still ahead, pfizer asked the fda to expand the use of covid booster shots. what that means for the fight against the coronavirus.
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we have disturbing new video of the surging crowd at that travis scott concert where eight people died. nbc news correspondent morgan chesky has the latest. >> reporter: inside the deadly concert surge, this video conveys the desperate moments at travis scott's astroworld fest. fans nearly buried under bodies. one appearing to dial 911. >> this investigation will take some time. because if is complicated. >> reporter: in all, eight concertgoers died. still unclear why it takes so long to stop the performance. officials declaring a mass casualty event around 9:30 p.m.
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scott did not stop performing until 10:10. during that time, video shows the crowd pleading for it to end. nbc's savannah guthrie asking houston's fire chief if travis scott should have stopped the show when he saw what's happening. >> absolutely, we all have responsibility. starting from the artist on down. >> reporter: the chief not saying whether he was aware of the situation or if he initiated. sources telling nbc news scott was not aware, and, quote, once he was notified he stopped the show. in 2015, the rapper pleaded guilty to reckless conduct for urging fans. and two years later, he pled guilty for those to rush the
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stage. nbc news is tracking more than 30 lawsuits filed. >> it was a death trap. >> reporter: one family praying for 9-year-old ezra. sitting on his dad trestan's shoulders. he goes i can't breathe, ezra fell into the crowd. so, he woke up in the crowd, and ezra was gone. >> he didn't know where his son was? >> no. >> reporter: ezra's family found him in a hospital suffering brain and organ damage so severe, doctors have placed him in a medically induced coma. >> four thanks to morgan chesky for that heartbreaking report. pfizer is officially asking the fda for emergency use authorization for covid booster shots for all adults. if approved, access to booster shots will greatly expand nationwide. the drugmaker's latest requests from the phase 3 clinical trial
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from 10,000 participants which found the third dose were safe and effective. the fda will consider pfizer's request and make a final decision in the coming weeks. if approved, the cdc would give his seal of approval before administered. a new report from the texas health department underscores how much more unlikely unvaccinated people are to get infected and die than those who get the shots. data from the state agency shows the majority of texans who died of covid-19 since the beginning of the year were not vaccinated. researchers examined 29,000 covid-linked deaths from january of this year. of those deaths, more than 85% of people not vaccinated. as the. william reports the figures highlight just how much more at risk the unvaccinated population has been this year, in all age groups, the state's unvaccinated were 40 times more likely to die than vaccinated people. still ahead, college football rankings. plus, what packers
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about rybelsus® today. i made some comments that people might have felt were misleading and, you know, to anybody who felt mislead by those comments. i take full responsibility for those comments. >> do you think? green bay quarterback aaron rodgers went on the pat mcafee show yesterday. admitting that he mislead some about the vaccination status. before he said he, quote, was immunized but rodgers tested positive and was criticized after gaming he's unvaccinated. he claims he's allergic to the vaccines and taking ivermectin. he said he's part of a woke mob. and here's what more of what the former mvp had to say yesterday.
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>> look, i share something that is polarizing, i get it. but in the end, i have to stay true to who i am, and what i'm about. and i stand behind the things that i said. i'm excited about feeling better. i'm excited about moving forward and hopefully getting back to my team. and getting back to doing what i do best, and that's playing ball. >> i'm not sure that's the plug "star wars" is looking for with that shirt there. rodgers could be on the field when the packers play the seattle seahawks, the nfl has fined green bay $300,000 and two of its players, particularly rodgers, nearly $15,000 each for failing to follow protocols. that obviously is not much out of aaron rodgers' wallet. the pandemic has forced the first cancel ace, california up
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against southern california. cal played seven starters including the quarterback, the school announced a few additional players tested positive leaving the team without enough players at an unidentified position group. meanwhile a slight shake-up in college football playoff rankings, oregon moves up a spot. cincinnati moves up one from number six, michigan state, going from three to seven, a spot behind michigan after had had lost to purdue. georgia and alabama still too. turning to the nba, the league suspending nicholas jokic. and one game for shove, and morris and failing to comply with the review. it's a cheap shot by morris, and
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jokic will miss the game against the pacers. >> and a pair of buzzers to ring in the new season. >> and he scores! he puts it in. >> wichita state going to attack here and not call a time-out. it's going to be him to make the decision. a low go three. >> oh, my goodness. >> ohio state, a late layup to avoid a season-opening upset against akron. you saw that one first. now this one, wichita state with a game-winning shot from the logo to get past. finally, coach k.'s farewell tour at madison square garden in new york city. the blue devils pass kentucky with a 79-71 win last night.
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coach k. retired at the end of the year after his illustrious career. let's go to meteorologist bill karins. i was on the course sunday, i spotted willie, but didn't glimpse you, i guess you were going entirely too fast. where i was at mile eight. congratulations, a personal record, tell us about it. >> thank you, yeah, it was fantastic. post covid, and the crowds were almost as big as precovid. of course, i used to live right there, mile seven and eight in brooklyn, running down those streets. i used to catch the subway at 2:00 a.m. in the morning to do this shift, it's always funny to run past that as we go throughout the route. yes, it was incredible. jonathan, you can believe it, if you actually run more, you get better. that's what i have learned. it's amazing. today, i can safely -- i can actually get in and out of this
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chair without lifting my legs today so that is good. let's get into the forecast, yesterday was incredibly warm, beautiful on the east coast today. you get another one of those. but it's going to come to an end, the coast-to-coast storm is now moving to the middle of the nation. as you'd expect, we can't keep this warm forever. we're going to get a bout of rain and maybe snow on the back side of this on the northern plains into thursday. then cooler on the east coast, that doesn't happen until friday night and saturday. there's thursday with rain sweeping through the ohio valley and southeast. snow in northern portions of minnesota. that rain will move through. and friday night looks dry in most areas. areas of concern, today, severe weather. watch out in oklahoma city, we could get damaging wind and large hail. as far as snow, i haven't had many snow forecasts this early season. minnesota, wisconsin and portions of northern iowa into the dakotas could get snow friday, mostly in the northern
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plains. jonathan, enjoy this today, upper 60s all the way through, d.c. and new york. so this amazing, warm, beautiful small continues for so many people. >> upper 60s, we will not argue with that. i do suspect we'll have more of that snow in the forecast. bill karins, thank you for forecasting. congratulations, again, my friend, great work. still ahead, congresswoman liz cheney calls out president trump and criticizes republicans who continue to support his election claims. but before we go to break, we want to know, why are you awake? email your reasons at "way too early"@msnbc.com. be sure to tweet me. we'll read some of the favorite answers later on in the show. answers later on in the show it departs... being first on the scene when every second counts... or teaching biology without a lab.
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♪♪ welcome back to "way too early." it's just before 5:30 on the east coast. 2:30 in the west. i'm jonathan lemire. president biden is touting the bipartisan infrastructure bill while vowing to deliver on the rest of his promises. let's listen to his comments while speaking to a group of dnc donors last night. >> the bottom line is this legislation is going to change the lives of american people. and they expected us to deliver when they elected us and we did. now we need to do it again with the build back better initiative for struggling families with child care, elder care. not only are the american people watching, the world is watching. i met with the vast majority of
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the world leaders so far in person, mostly, but also on zoom. i just returned from the g20 and cop26 in europe. and the question the world is asking, is america really back? they see the polarization, they see the saek on january 6th and they're asking if the american democracy can deliver. my answer is not only can we deliver, we have to deliver. >> meanwhile, mitch mcconnell is praising it. a godsend for kentucky. while touring an indoor pharmacy facility on monday, mcconnell told local media this, i'm surprised we even got a "c" grade. we have a lot of infrastructure beads both in rural areas and big bridges. it's a godsend for kentucky. mcconnell is one of the 19 republican senators who voted for the bill back in august. speaking at an event back in new hampshire yesterday, list cheney
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investigating the january 6th attack, she criticized president trump for continuing to push false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. and she also called out her fellow republicans who she said are sitting by idly in his efforts. take a look. >> at this moment when it matters the most, we're also confronting a domestic threat that we've never faced before. a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. aids by political leaders who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man. political leaders who sit silent in the face of these false and dangerous claims are aiding a former president who is at war with the rule of law and the constitution. when our constitutional order is threatened, as it is now, rising above partisanship is not simply
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an aspiration, it is an obligation. an obligation of every one of us. i love my party. i love its history. i love its principles. but i love my country more. i know this nation needs a republican party that is based on truth. one that puts forward our ideals and our policies based on substance. one that is willing to reject the former president's lies. one that is willing to tell the truth. the millions of americans have been tragically mislead by former president trump who continues to this day to use language that he knows provoked violence on january 6th. >> joining us now, reporter from the "washington post" eugene scott. eugene, good morning. thank you for being here. one of the questions we've been facing now, since the election, certainly since january 6th, is what does the republican party stand for? what does it look like?
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how much of a role does president trump, or does president trump still play? and we know congresswoman cheney is one of ten house republicans who voted to impeach him for inciting insurrection. we also know most republicans, though, still seem to align themselves with him. i should note list cheney spoke in new hampshire. we know why politicians go to new hampshire at least in a presidential run. how much weight does it carry? how does an audience think do we think that cheney and others like her are addressing them? >> well, in conservatism, but the republican party, specifically, not as much as she would like, and that is why she's trying to make her stance very clear to those who will hear her, hoping she can change minds and change the direction of the republican party as it currently stands. new hampshire, he may seem the
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most influential and popular republican in politics right now, and he has to support as many leaders like cheney criticize and especially the base. but the long-term implications of that are very dangerous for a party who wants to move back to the days that cheney seems to champion, and believe it's in the best interest of voters and the country as a whole. >> it's obviously very early to start thinking about 2024, but we're going to do it anyway. having this sort of criticism within his own party, let's say trump will run again, indications again that he's leaning that way, but no decision has been made. you know, what sort of impact do they have? i mean, you know, republican primaries it seems perhaps not much. but is this a general election concern for the former president if some elected liz cheney is able to even convince a small size of independents or republican-leaning voters to stay away from trump? >> i think we should pay attention to if it's just liz cheney. as you noted, it's very early,
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but there are rumors from people i have spoken with, she's obviously not the only person who feels the way she does. if other voices become more vocal closer to 2024, especially after what happens in the midterms that could perhaps sway popular opinion to the gop to some degree. but what will ultimately make the decision moving forward will be independent voters and we saw in last week's election, they can sway things in directions that are quite different from what we see happening in the party basis. so pay attention to cheney, but also pay attention to other voices as well. >> and one of those voices, eugene, might be glenn youngkin, the republican winning that election last week as you just mentioned. who seems to be in a playbook who didn't invoke president president but didn't reduce him either.
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republicans we're talking to, now ten days since the election, what's the sense, do they think that's a winning strategy for the gop, at least in sort of these more swing districts? >> right. i think that's the important point. republicans i spoke to do believe it's a winning strategy in certain places. we do know in other places if you want to win the governorship in the party, you have to align yourself with donald trump. and so it will be interesting to see how strategists strategize depending on how the voting bloc and the entires and demands in respective elections that are upcoming. >> "the washington post's" eugene scott, terrific as always. thank you, sir. we will see you again soon. still ahead, the prosecution in the trial of kyle rittenhouse rests its case. where at least is the defense when "way too early" returns in just a few minutes.
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that at least 13 high-level officials from the trump administration improperly used a government positions to try and influence the 2020 election. the office of council said these broke the hatch act using their office for political campaigning. according to the report, pompeo changed the political appeals. allowing him to speak. and mark meadow and jared kushner. the report reads, the cumulative effect of these repeated and public violations was to undermine public confidence in the nonpartisan operation of the government. it such frag flant and unpunished violations erode the principal foundation of our democratic system, the rule of
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law. and the prosecution has rested its case in the kyle rittenhouse trial, but not before attorneys showed new video of the shooting. the defense now takes center stage in kenosha, wisconsin. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez has the report. >> reporter: this new high-definition drone video zoomed in and slowed down by a forensic imaging specialist showing kyle rittenhouse wheeling around and shooting joseph rosenbaum at close range. it's unclear whether rosenbaum was trying to grab the gun or swat it away. >> mr. rosenbaum died of multiple wounds. >> reporter: now rittenhouse killed two men and wounded a third during unrest in a police shooting of blake in august 2020. prosecutors have tried to portray rittenhouse as an aggressor who was looking for trouble. but at times, especially through cross-examination, the witnesses bolstered rittenhouse's claim of
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self-defense. >> it wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, with his hands down pointed at him, and then he fired, right? >> correct. >> reporter: the defense called as its first witness, the man who went to the protest at the request of the owners of a car dealership to protect the building. said he saw rittenhouse shortly after the shootings. >> he repeats, i just shot someone over and over. i believe at some point he said he had to shoot someone. >> our thanks to nbc's gabe gutierrez for that report. ahead, chris meagher joins me ahead of the trip to baltimore. and this date in history, 50 years ago. >> come on, big bird. nice little girl, i want you to meet her. >> she's not really 8 feet tall? >> no, no. >> i was very -- very scared
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president biden is headed to baltimore today to promote the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the president will speak at the port of baltimore which the white house says is one of the many american ports that will see relief from ongoing supply chain backlogs. members of president biden's cabinet will hit the road to promote the bill. that includes transportation secretary pete buttigieg who will join the conversation later on "morning joe." but joining us right now, white deputy press secretary chris meagher. with the infrastructure bill, when can we expect that to happen, tell us more about why the white house commotion the port of baltimore for the first stop. as you know, the white house got criticism, not doing enough selling the bill earlier in the
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year. and now it sounds like the president is going to hit the road. >> yeah, well, thanks for having me on this morning, jonathan. it's great to be with you. yeah, the president is headed to baltimore today, you know, to talk about how we can build on the economic growth of the last ten months, you know, since he took office, we've added 5.6 million jobs to the economy. and as you mentioned, congress passed the bipartisan infrastructure fund bill last week. he's looking forward to signing it shortly. and now, it's all about talking to the american people about what's in the bill. there's $17 billion in the bill to modernize our ports. that's going to hem with the supply chain issues. there's money to get -- replace our lead pipes around the country, so our kids can drink clean drinking water. and that's in addition to the billions and billions of dollars to modernize our roads and our bridges and our airports.
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money for electric vehicles and more. so, we're looking forward to getting out on the road and talking about the importance of this bill and building on that economic growth so far. >> so, obviously, though, chris, the bipartisan bill is just half of this pack avenue. package. and there's still a large reconciliation package that needs to be worked through, they're away this week, but back next. talk about what the white house wants to see for the larger piece of the agenda to proceed on capitol hill. and look, there's real distrust between progressives in the democratic party and those more moderate, more conservative democrats. how does the white house plan to bridge that divide? what role will the president himself play? >> yeah. well, we're heartened by the progress that we made last week in getting the infrastructure bill across the finish line. as part of that, you know, we passed a procedural vote to advance the build back better act, in the house.
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and when members of congress come back next week, i expect that those discussions will continue. and that there will be a vote in the house. after that, the president will continue to engage with leader schumer on the senate side to get the build back better act across the finish line. but, you know, we think that there is a consensus in the caucus. there's general broad agreement about the importance of what the build back better act means. it means investments in child care. in elder care. in childhood education. and health care. lowering prescription drug costs. and so, we realize that this is just one part of a two-part economic agenda to kind of build on the growth of the last ten months. and to give american families a little breathing room here going forward. >> certainly, chris, so much of the economic agenda is the state of the economy to a certain extent depends on legislation
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but also the pandemic. this is now a year and a half more. word is it's the dominant force in americans' lives. i just want to get your sense of where the white house stands with regard to the coronavirus. good news for kids 5 to 11 now eligible for the vaccine. the b against the coronavirus. good news for kids 5 to 11, now eligible for the vaccine. give us a sense as to when boosters could be available for everyone, including those who had perhaps the moderna shot. moreover, what level of concern does the white house have? stats show for the first time in a while, the number of cases in the nation have gone up, a 5% jump in the last two weeks. what do we think is happening there? >> yeah, well, as you mentioned, you know, we know that one of the best ways to continue to build our economy back is to put an end to this pandemic. that means getting people vaccinated. the best way to protect yourself from the coronavirus is to get
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vaccinated. as you mentioned earlier in the program, pfizer is going to the fda to get full approval on their booster shots for all adults. you know, we just started ramping up shots for 5 to 11-year-olds. we've been going at it for just about a week, and as of the end of today, we expect to have 900,000 kids who have gotten their first shot. that's in addition to 700,000 appointments that have been made at pharmacies around the country. that's in addition to, you know, kids going to their pediatrician or to children's hospitals or to other places to make appointments to get their shots. so we're really heartened by the progress we've seen, even in just this one single week of ramping up to get shots in arms for kids to keep them protected as they're going to school. so, you know, it is a constant push, and we're going to continue to push every day to get more shots in arms and get
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people vaccinated to keep them safe. >> i will take this moment to note my kids, ages 7 and 10, got their first dose on monday. a great day indeed. press secretary, we appreciate you being here. we asked, why are you awake? one viewer writes, i'm planning thanksgiving dinner which seems to be growing by the moment. all vaxxed and all good. beth emails, i'm awake to shop online for christmas presents without little kids watching me. with the aforementioned supply chain issues, it's about time to shop if you want it here by december 25th. dan, what do you have there. >> sarah is up to mentally prepare for waking up my tween daughter who has to be at the bus stop at 6:30. seriously, 6:30. >> that's sleeping in. we've been at this for hours. joyce vance tweets, one of the benefits of being up early in my house is getting my hands on the
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joining us now, co-founder of axios, jim vandehei. what is axios' 1 big thing today? >> good to see you, jonathan. looking at how you're starting to see a republican platform and ideology being formed around and underneath donald trump. the last five years, the party has been defined by him and whatever his grievance is or whatever is on his mind that day. it was really hard to tell,
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other than conserative judges or immigration, what republicans stood for. you look at the victory in virginia. you look at recent speeches by rubio, hollie, cruz, others thinking of running in 2024, and you see the party start to rally around this idea of breaking up with big business. you know, they're the party of big business forever. it seems like they've had it, especially with ceos and corporate leaders, and they're ready to move toward the worker and away from protecting big business. the other big one is this idea of standing up against big education, right? standing up for parents. you heard the minority leader in the house talk about a parental bill of rights. that's another one you're hearing from almost every republican candidate. then this idea that you see now for the last several years of running against mandates. whether it's the mask mandate or vaccination mandates. a lot of governors are talking about this. you see desantis in florida talking about it. it's interesting as you see
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republicans try to figure out what worked under trump and what can they retain from sort of conservatism as it existed pre-trump, and little by little, you can start to see what a republican party without trump looks like. the caveat there is, i think trump will run. if he runs, the party will be about his daily grievance. that will be the ideology, like it was for the other four years. i think what you'll see are these candidates do what youngkin did and try to smuggle different ideas around and underneath the trump noise. >> so that's the republicans. jim, let's switch to the democrats. axios digging into a new term floating around capitol hill used by moderate dems. >> you saw conor lamb, running as a moderate. congresswoman in virginia used this term, i'm a normal democrat. we're hearing from several mod
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moderate democrats say, we're going to use it in ads. we're with parents as well. we're not part of the far left. but when you say normal, you're comparing it against what other kind of democrats there are. are they saying progressives are abnormal? i think that is a concern you have among some democrats, that the fight that's sort of started right around the youngkin race is only going to grow more intense. you know, you have the manchin wing of the party, which is still small but, obviously formidable because you have a narrow senate. you have centrist democrats. you have this mark penn op-ed in "the new york times." you have david axelrod and others talking about the language that democrats need to start using that resonates with swing voters. i mean, the alarm bell obviously went off after virginia, after what happened in new jersey. that close race that no one thought would be close. they're rethinking the policies and the language. the language might seem like, why do you care that much about language? i think in this era where
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everything is about identity and how do i feel opposed to necessarily about ideas and ideology, the language matters profoundly. that's what you see republicans pounding on. it's what you saw youngkin pound on. take little snippets and be able to say, look, this speaks to a party that's out of step with you. that resonates in virginia. i think democrats worry it could resonate in other swing districts. >> safe bet that not all democrats agree on what the definition of a normal democrat is. jim vandehei, thank you for this. we'll see you again in a few minutes on "morning joe." before we go, just want to note, as i spoke to press secretary for the white house, they received criticism for not selling the bill. the things in the reconciliation bill, infrastructure bill, popular with american people, but voters didn't know what was in there. the president is off to baltimore today to start the process. we'll certainly be covering that all day on msnbc and, of course, tomorrow here on "way too early." thank you all for getting up early with us

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