tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 9, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
>> max cleland was 79. "all in" starts now. tonight on "all in," new subpoenas. tonight, the story of donald trump's white house enforcer and how he is the staffer that made january 6 possible. january 6 committee chair bennie thompson on what the subpoenas mean and what happens next. the right wing planned to use culture wars and covid to destroy public education in america. as aaron rodgers attempts to end his pr nightmare -- >> i made comments that people might have felt were misleading. >> i will talk to the surgeon
general about his new plan to combat vaccine misinformation when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the house committee investigating the january 6 insurrection released another round of subpoenas today targeting a number of high profile allies of former president donald trump. this comes on the heels of the big round handed down yesterday. we will talk to the head of the committee doing all this in just a moment. today's most recent group includes some familiar folks. former press secretary kaley mcanane.
now we are learning a set of shocking new details about what this trump alterego john mcentee did and how he ran the united states government. before this, he was actually -- he went viral with this video. he was the quarterback for the university of connecticut. he threw trick shots, unlikely shots. impressive that he did that. it is what mcentee did after college that brought him the most notoriety. he was at fox news. he joined the trump 2016 campaign. he goes everywhere with the president, carries his luggage, arranges his hotel. you can see him working on what some might call an un-ideal location. he followed trump to the white
house. he was fired in 2018 by john kelly. he failed to pass a background check due to online gambling and issues with his taxes. the then 27-year-old was escorted out of the white house grounds by security. that was short lived. after john kelly left the white house, trump re-hired mcentee. because he was nothing if not loyal to the president. donald trump values loyalty above all else, even if he does not reciprocate it. trump decided he was due for a promotion, despite having no experience. trump wanted to appoint him as the director of the white house presidential personnel office. that's a pretty big job in any white house. in that position, he would oversee the vetting and hiring of everyone from ambassadors to cabinet members. not everyone thought it was a good idea.
one staffer who oversaw the personal office told the president, i have never said no to anything you have asked me to do, but i'm asking you to reconsider this. i don't think it's a good idea. trump took that about as well as you can imagine. reportedly screamed at the staffer, you people never f-ing listen to me. going to f-ing do what i tell you to do. mcentee got the job and embarked on this ideological effort to purge the white house who are insufficiently loyal to donald trump. he hired new staffers, including liaisons. in one example, one of his enforcers noticed a low level staffer at the department of housing and urban development
liked a post from the pop star taylor swift on instagram. specifically, this post where she encouraged her fans to vote in one photo and displayed photos decorated with the biden name. it was escalated to mark meadows. one of the hires got caught trying to remove a nameplate from a plaque on the wall honoring myles taylor. it was a bunch of nameplates. there wasn't a shrine in the department of homeland security. the one-time employee of dhs who later revealed he wrote an op-ed and a book on how he was resisting the trump agenda from within. these are funny but there were real stakes involved here. mcentee had a serious and powerful job.
it went beyond petty squabbles. his team advised the president over hiring and firing of cabinet officials. one of his enforcers was hired to work with the department of defense. he told those around him, i'm going to the pentagon to fire secretary of defense mark esper and those deep state bastards. and he did. refusing to use the military to quell protests, imagine that. they wrote that memo and donald trump listened. six days after the election, he fired secretary esper. it's worth noting the similarity between mcentee's behavior and the kind of ideologicals.
mcentee was not concerned with a free and fair election. he texted mike pence a memo, including the memory of thomas jefferson to say he had the authority to overturn state electors. it's the grand plan. essentially, effectively appoint trump the winner. part that was pressure campaign to get pence to go along, to be the trigger man. this is not really about just one white house staffer. he is just a distillation that rules. that's how trump wants to run america. saw it last night in florida when the ex-president told republicans they could not have
won the virginia gubernatorial race without him, even those the republican candidate kept him at arm's length. we see where republicans are calling for their 13 colleagues who crossed the aisle to vote for the infrastructure bill to be removed from their committee assignments. that is wild. that is the kind of punishment reserved for members who engage in egregious conduct. former new york republican congressman chris collins, he lost his committee seat when he was indicted on insider trading charges. steve king lost his or sympathizing with white nationalism. marjory taylor green for promoting racist conspiracy theories and advocating violence against members of congress. that's the bar normally for this kind of thing to lose your committee assignment. now there's a movement in republicans who want to take that step, the purge, enforcer, you voted the wrong way, you
liked that post, want to punish their colleague for voting for a bipartisan roads and bridges bill. not about policy. it's about complete and total loyalty. as the presidency, donald trump and john mcentee built a cult. it's the vision they have now actively that they are cultivating and working on for the american government once again should he be allowed back into the halls of power. olivia troy is an aide to mike pence before resigning. she's director of the republican accountability project and the aforementioned myles taylor is the chief of staff. he is the co-founder and executive director of the renew america movement. olivia, i'm curious from the inside how this tracks with your
experience, the description of mcentee in this kind of obsessive, paranoid, quasi-authoritarian enforcement of loyalty. >> it's accurate. it gave me chills, because it reminded me of what it was like, especially when johnny, as we called him inside the white house, was appointed to head of presidential personnel. i remember having conversations with senior cabinet level people, heads of -- head of homeland security at the time, who had a conversation with me and said, i cannot staff qualified people right now because johnny is blocking them. i can't get anyone through the pipeline. this is placing qualified people in positions of national security. this is a guy who was in charge of this. the fear was real. it was well-known that there were social media checks being
conducted. i had a conversation with general kellogg where he told me to watch my every move, to be careful. i chuckled when i read about the taylor swift portion, because i remember a moment early in the spring, i was angry after a meeting where i had lost an argument with someone, something i didn't agree with related to the covid pandemic and i was playing taylor swift loud in my office. i had a colleague say, are you trying to be fired? i was confused. for being blunt in meetings or for what? he said, i don't think she's a fan of trump. you should watch your back. be careful on that. that's astonishing to me. i'm allowed to listen to whatever music i want. when you talk about the gestapo, this is sort of how this white house was run. that's what i fear for the future of our country when some of these people are in power
like this. they remain in power. >> here is the irony. at some level because i'm talking to you both -- because i'm talking about you, it's like you can be paranoid and be right in the sense that it's true that a bunch of people in the administration viewed the president and the inner circle around him as paranoid sociopaths who were going to destroy the country and viewed their mission making sure they couldn't. them running around being who are the traitors is motivated by the fact that they were destructive paranoid sociopaths. >> i didn't know olivia story's before. if i had known that playing taylor swept would get me fired, i would have been playing it earlier in the administration. to your point, chris, i have to say this, when the hell are trump supporters going to wake
up? what else do they need to hear to understand that the man they support was viewed by his own lieutenants as a dangerous authoritarian overseeing mini-dangerous authoritarians. we are not talking about disgruntled employees. we are talking about his own former chief of staff, his own former national security advisor, his own former white house coms director. people sounded the alarm and said trump's lieutenants were acting like the gestapo. alyssa pharaoh said she feared a second term would deepen the united states into authoritarianism. the concern is real. the jonathan carl story is accurate. the same person who tried to pry my name off the plaque was the same person staffers at dhs were worried was going to come in and shoot up the place. they were worried he was going to come in and potentially shoot
people. his response to that, chris, was, if they support trump, then they have nothing to worry about. that was the response. that sounded to me like one of hitler's lieutenants who famously said, you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide. these were the type of people donald trump surrounded himself with at the end. >> i should note, i'm not familiar with that story. i had not heard that one. one of trump's more levelheaded senior aides saying i shudder to think what the cabinet would look like in a second term. johnny mcentee is already work on his list of names. one of the themes that culminates in the insurrection where things teeter, you have people worried about full spectrum democratic breakdown, is that it's pure distillation
in finding people to carry it out. >> that's it. people were being placed in positions out of loyalty. they were being placed specifically in senior offices and laying the groundwork. that was what was so concerning, especially in the lead-up to january 6, i had grave concerns about the fact that people were being shuffled around. i knew how they felt about mark esper. i heard comments in the summer when he took a stand on what was happening with the protests. there was this talk about insurrection and everything. the president at the time wanted to use military force for every possible solution that he wanted. that's what he did. he would turn to the military for it. people took a stand and stood against it. i think it's concerning about when people rise to power like this and the type of people that they place that are -- that do their bidding and they are loyalists. they are willing to be loyal and
do whatever it takes to stay in his good graces. >> part of the problem, myles, is that trump's address to the republican party at that event, which is happening on his property. their own way of paying literal tribute, he is trying to overstate his own -- he was a net problem in that race. he was a drag on that race. at the same time, it's the case that any support for the republican party does empower him. those two -- it strikes me is indistinguishable at this moment in american democracy. >> yeah. chris, there's a stunning level of silence among republicans still about donald trump. they know these things to be true. they know that donald trump's rhetoric has led to violence, he is a danger from a public safety standpoint. they say those things to people like me and olivia behind the
scenes when we engage with them. they are afraid to speak out because he wields this massive war chest. that's very concerning. whether or not donald trump will spend that money on candidates that he endorses is an open question. he seemingly wants to keep it for himself for a comeback bid. he is wielding that as another tool to instill fear among republicans to get them to remain loyal to him. it's why olivia does what she does. it's why i launched the renew america movement. frankly, so we could support the good guys who are willing to stand up and go after the bad guys. frankly, i don't want to make this over simplistic, this is really a fight between good and evil. i know that sounds hyperbolic. but we are talking about truly evil people in the former president's ranks. very, very sick people who would love nothing more than to reinstall donald trump into the white house and have an
authoritarian president. millions believe he should be violently re-installed into the white house is a demonstration how bad this has gotten. >> thank you both. don't go anywhere. the chair of the january 6 select committee is here to talk about the ten new subpoenas to former trump officials. i will get list reaction to donald trump's midnight hail mary to block those documents being turned over to the investigation. all that after the break. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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all ten of the people subpoenaed today were all working in the trump administration on january 6. some are staffers who were unknown. a few names i had to go back and double-check. trump's former personal assistant or the former oval office operations coordinator. some are household names like stephen miller. the committee wrote to him, based on your own public statements you were aware of and were part of this. in addition, you and your team prepared former president's remarks for the rally on january 6. you were at white house. you were with mr. trump when he spoke at the stop the steal
rally. also, kaley mcenany, you made multiple statements. in addition, you were with former president trump when he traveled to the elipse. the chairman of the january 6 committee that just issued those subpoenas, bennie thompson, joins me now. congressman, this is a large group of folks in the last two days. it seems to represent an investigation that is both moving quite quickly and expanding to sort of take in the totality of the run-up to january 6. how would you characterize where you are in your investigation? >> first of all, thank you for having me, chris. what i would tell you is we are
in the midst of following the facts and circumstances that got us to january 6. 16 individuals we have subpoenaed this week have knowledge as to what occurred before january 6 as well as what occurred on january 6. a lot of it is in the public domain. some of it you share on your program. we think it's incumbent upon the committee to get them on the record in sworn testimony as to what actually occurred and what did they do during that time. some of the individuals are household words. some are not. this is the body of work that our committee is doing. as you know, we have interviewed over 150 people in this process. the people we wanted to talk to
directly now are people who we think have evidence as to what really went on in terms of the planning of the stop to steal rally that morphed into an insurrection. we want to see whether they contributed to that insurrection. >> i want to read to you a quotation from the letter your committee sent to mr. mcentee. you were present in the oval office when giuliani and pence and trump were in the office. you were involved in communications with officials in various federal agencies regarding loyalty to former president trump. he discouraged a number of individuals from seeking employment after the election as it would appear to be a concession of president trump's defeat. how central a figure do you view mcentee? >> there's no question, he is part and parcel to this big lie
that we are having to deal with. part of what you heard and read just then is how all this was created. if you put the lie out in front of the public that the machines somehow changed the outcome of the election or that certain officials in certain parts of the country were not loyal to the president, we have people who are working in this administration who are not loyal to this president, we are a democracy. so part of our challenge that we are having to address is whether or not what occurred came almost to the point of destroying this great democracy of ours, and if it did, what can we do to protect it? part of it is getting to the evidence. the phone call made to the secretary of state in georgia by
the president saying he only needs a few thousand votes and he can take georgia. all those things bring into question as to, was this part of a bigger plan? the fact that officials in arizona, michigan, pennsylvania were all put under pressure to change the outcome of a legitimate election. over 60 lawsuits, as you know, were filed on behalf of trying to change the outcome of the election. a majority of the judges that heard them were trump appointed judges who said, we can find nothing illegal or improper with the conduct of the election. the people we want to talk to by issuing the subpoenas and under oath we think have significant
information as to what went on. some of them are suspect. we want to know what went on at the willard hotel. we want to know why felons were brought in to assist this effort. and those felons who had been pardoned by this president. sometimes you get judged by the company you keep. some of the company that brought itself to the stop the steal rally obviously have records that are suspect. >> final question for you, quickly here. friday is the deadline for the first documents subpoenas by your committee, requested by your committee. the former president tried to intervene in court. biden's administration said there's no executive privilege claim here. there is no -- there was a
hearing earlier. that judge is yet to issue a warning. what's your expectation of how that process will play out? >> i hope that the judge will rule in our favor. it's clear that we are a duly chartered committee developed by the house of representatives. but as you know, the trump history is when you disagree with anything, you go to court. we're not surprised about the emergency filing he did last night. we appreciate a quick decision by the judge. we are confident that we are on sound footing. we will get those records that will help us make the case as to what really occurred leading up to january 6 and who participated in the stop the steal rally that turned into an
insurrection. >> congressman bennie thompson, chair of the committee, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. coming up, the faction of right wing people tried to destroy public education now think they have the perfect weapon. the story of the january 6 insurrection is facing multiple felony charges. it's a wild story. stick around. it's a wild story. stick around kly. instantly ready to start working. so you can bounce back fast with alka-seltzer plus. now available for fast sinus relief.
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we appear to have our first insurrectionist international fugitive from justice. his name is evan newman. a 48-year-old handbag manufacturer from california. in march, he was charged with six crimes related to his actions at the capitol on january 6. two of those are felonies for assaulting an officer and participating in civil disorder. he is circled in the photos you see here. he is wearing a gas mask which
is creepy and weird and shows he was planning something. according to the fbi's criminal complaint against him, he was in the crowds where he began verbally assaulting police officers. he yelled at one officer, you have, quote, no pride, no honor, you are nothing. according to the complaint, newman said they would be overrun and stated, i'm willing to die, will you? he went on to shove barricades into the line of officers and punched them. newman used it as a battering ram striking officers with it. he learned he was wanted by the fbi. he fled the country. he is seeking asylum in the former soviet republic of belarus. that may seem random, but it does make sense. belarus is the last dictatorship in europe.
the leader is a scurge on the european union. he is doing this crazy thing where he accepted asylum seekers from the middle east and brings them to the board we are poland. polish officials are not psyched about that. 3,000 people were amassed at the border trying to enter the eu. you may remember, another dramatic incident this year in may, belarus forced the landing of a commercial flight to arrest a passenger. now they have found themselves in possession of an incredible propaganda victory in the form of one evan newman, who are hailing as a victim of political persecution.
newman gave an interview. he detailed his journey to evade american justice claiming to have flown to the eu under the guise of a business trip. he arrived in belarus on foot after wading through snake-infested swamps. he tells the reporter he doesn't believe he committed any crimes and alleges the insurrection was a false flag, fabricated by the u.s. government. they went along with the story describing him as a simple american who sought justice, asked uncomfortable questions but lost almost everything and is being persecuted by the u.s. government. it's not just spreading in belarus, it's the line of fox host tucker carlson. carlson. ugh!
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for whatever affect the critical race theory had last week, it's a hit with fox news audiences and some voters. a yahoo news poll found 50% of americans had heard of crt. the issue is used in right wing messaging. it was invented by a conservative activist. he was the first person to start ped peddling it as a threat. it's part of a bigger and older conservative effort to gut public education. i unlocked a new terrain and demonstrated a successful strategy. he was getting ready for a new face of his offensive. we are preparing to lay siege to
institutions. the public schools are waging war against american children and american families, he said. families should have a fundamental right to exit. michelle goldberg who wrote that piece joins me now. your column really showed me it was like old wine in new bottles. >> i'm old enough to remember panic over secular humanism being taught, sex education being taught in public schools. there's many iterations of this. this is responding to something real. it's responding to certain changes in dei training, largely, at the administrative level that have been interpreted
to mean a whole scale revision of how race is taught. one interesting thing about virginia is part of the reason this issue has been so big is because the schools were closed for so long, longer than most other states. there's a lot of parent anger and frustration over that. the upshot -- i think that some -- a lot of the anger is justified. the kids were at home. if they had been being brow beaten about white privilege, somebody would have seen it. they didn't. that's not what this is about. >> i think you make a broader point. there's this -- a few things. there's using crt as this kind of wedge weapon for political purposes. there's the fact that there has been changes in some of the rhetoric around race, some is incredibly important and good, some is not great.
a little hustly from this industry that's grown up around, we will train people. then there's the broader thing of the role of public education. the reason education was such an incendiary issue in virginia likely has less to do with critical race theory than parent fury over the nightmare of online school. virginia's was severe, only six states had fewer in-person days last year. one of the distressing affects of that was i found sometimes looking through the looking glass, people trying to justify longer school shutdowns were minimizing the importance of public education. it's not that big a deal if people aren't in school. it's a really big deal. public education is really important. >> i think through the looking glass is right. before covid, you had betsy
devos saying it might be a substitute for public schools. everybody at the time -- progressives understood that was preposterous. the shutdowns have created a huge amount of disgruntlement with the public schools that's very ripe for the right to exploit. they are exploiting not just in terms crt bans but also i think in terms of a coming campaign of privatization and vouchers, which could be really damaging to public education in this country and the democratic party. >> we should say, there was a poll showing that two-thirds or three-quarters of people think schools did a good job. there was a very little split between parent and non-parent. i would answer yes to that same issue. i think new york city schools did a good job. i'm also really, really don't
want that ever to happen again and want to make sure we expand and protect public education as i know you do as well. michelle goldberg, thank you. >> thank you. still to come, the surgeon general joins us in studio. we have a lot to talk about, like what this year's post-vaccine holiday season could look like. what to do with what you might call the aaron rodgers problem. the answers when we return. em the answers when we return (tiger) this is the dimension of imagination. ♪ ♪
last week we found out one of the most famous athletes in america was misleading everyone about his vaccination status. aaron rodgers revealed he contracted covid. we learned that when he had been asked about whether he was vaccinated, he said, i'm immunized. he was not actually vaccinated. later he went on a podcast and disclosed he did not get the covid vaccine. the interview was almost an hour long during which he explained why he is against the vaccine.
it included a lot of crazy stuff. >> to my knowledge, there's been zero long-term studies around fertility issues around the vaccines. i have been taking antibodies, ivermectin, zinc and i feel pretty incredible. >> first, the vaccine does not cause fertility issues. none of those things he is taking over than the antibodies have been proven to treat covid in double blind clinical trials. you can imagine that all that was not well received. fans accused him of lying. he lost an endorsement deal. the packers lost to the chiefs this weekend without him there, which was awful. today aaron rodgers went back on the podcast and tried to clean up the mess he made. >> i made comments that people might have felt were misleading.
to anybody who felt misled by those comments, i take full responsibility for those comments. >> i'm going to start hosting the show standing up with my guns out. the story is about how there's so much misinformation out there. that prompted the surgeon general to release a guide. he joins me now. the surgeon general of the united states, great to have you here. >> thanks so much. >> i have complicated feelings about aaron rodgers. he is just a guy with bad views on this, which are a dime a dozen. i would -- the real problem is that he has the platform. he is going on this podcast to spread all this. i guess i wonder, when you hear him say there's no long-term
study of the fertility issue, well, that's technically true in the sense there's no long-term study about anything because it's been around a year. what goes through your head when you hear that? is that a defeatable complaint? is that just someone looking for a reason? >> you know, it's a good question. when i talk to people who are concerned about the vaccines or hesitant, this is what i try to understand. what are their concerns and interests? try to step back and look at the bug er bigger picture. if your goal is to reduce your chances of having covid, if your goal is to help your community get through the pandemic, then getting vaccinated is best path way. if you look at the experience, administering more than 400 million doses of this vaccine in the u.s. alone, two things have become clear from that experience. one, the vaccines are highly effective, especially at preventing the worst outcomes like hospitalization and death.
they have a strong safety profile, which we don't always take for granted but that's the case. that's what the data tells us. this is what i think we have to remember. number one, if you have a platform, if you have a voice, we have to use it responsibly. there can be confusion. you can hurt people. second, who you get your health information from matters. i don't ask my electrician for medical advice. i don't ask my doctor for advice on what to do for my electrical problems at home. we have to make sure if we have questions, we're getting answers from credible medical experts, people who have studied science, practiced medicine, people like your doctor or health care provider. that's how we will counter misinformation to make the best decisions for ourselves and our families. >> i'm lucky enough to dm with nicki minaj's cousin. there's the trust relationship.
if i don't trust the medical profession or if i don't trust the messengers, there's no way to get out of that trust relationship. you see what i'm saying? there's a lot of people who are like, i don't trust doctors or mainstream medicine or i don't trust big pharma. you can tell me this, but i don't trust the actual data. >> i'm glad you brought this up. a lot of people legitimately fall into that category. some have had bad experiences. >> a lot not wrongly. >> i understand that. this is why it's so important that all of us recognize, we have a role to play in helping people understand where they can go for accurate information, sharing our own experiences. one of the reasons that in july i issued an advisory is i wanted to call attention to the fact that this is one of the challenges we are facing. addressing the misinformation. the reason that i issued a community tool kit was to now
provide concrete tools that could empower people to be able to understand whether the information they are getting is accurate, how to have a conversation with a family member. you don't have to be a doctor to help somebody understand what your decision was, in order to listen to them and empathize and help them perhaps lean toward talking to a credible medical expert. in this moment, we still have 60 million plus people who need to get vaccinated. we need everyone to look around, talk to their family and friends. ask them if they are vaccinated. if they aren't, help to answer their questions or direct them to people who can. >> i want to ask about how people should be mentally preparing for the winter. cases are going up in europe right now. we have a map that shows cases are going up in the eastern europe countries less vaccinated. they are going up everywhere. cases in the u.s. are up. one thing we learned is, cases go down or go up, they don't stay the same. we have not really reached
suppression levels. we will have outbreaks. cases will be around. people who are vaccinated, community transmission up. how should those who ared in ar be thinking about risk? >> it's a good question because as the winter approaches, people are going indoors. the virus can transmit better during cold, dry weather. it's important for vaccinated people to remember, you are better off now than you were last year. why is that? even if there's virus in community, your risk overall of getting infected is much lower if you are vaccinated. second, your risk of getting seriously ill and being hospitalized or god forbid is passing away is markedly lower. the majority of people who are hospitalized and who were dying were, in fact, unvaccinated individuals. remember two more things. if you are eligible for a
booster, it's worth going out there and getting that. that's a way to extend the protection that you have as we get into winter. the precautions that the cdc has recommended, like wearing masks in public indoor spaces is helpful in times like this when we have a lot of virus circulated. i'm optimistic we will get to a better place. >> that's not going to happen this winter? >> that's why we have to continue to be cautious. remember, you are better off if you are vaccinated. we can't let people forget that. i hear about breakthroughs, does it matter to get vaccinated? absolutely. it keeps you out of the hospital. >> there's a perversion inversion. people who are least attuned are people least likely to be vaccinated and masking. that's cultural, regional. you have a situation whereas cases go up, see people in those
parts of the country that are the most vaccinated also getting the most freaked out. right? you have this weird sort of cycle. i'm worried about that as we get into the winter. i want people to recognize that the vaccine really does offer tremendous protection. >> it really, really does. there's something interesting in what you said. we see this in the misinformation data as well, the people who are unvaccinated are more likely to believe the misinformation. many of them are -- they tilt toward those unvaccinated. >> thank you so much. that's "all in." rachel maddox now. thanks for joining us. when there's a lot of focus on washington in the news, sometimes we like to do a thing where we look at -- look beyond the beltway, the front pages of local newspapers around the country to see how the national news is playing around the